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developments in 2 russian investigation. later tonight, you can see all our reporting in one place" white house in crisis" hosted by jim sciutto, airing 8:00 pacific on cnn. erin burnett "out front" picks up our coverage. >> up next, breaking news. new subpoenas just issued involving michael flynn. plus the former cia director john brennan saying publicly for the first time trump campaign associates were ber acting with russian officials during the campaign. did they take the bait? in the wake of a deadly terror attack that killed 22 and injured dozens. the british warning against another attack. i'm erin burnett "out front" tonight. new subpoenas for general michael flynn tonight. senate investigators serving two
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of the former national security advisories advisor's businesses with subpoenas. this news as john brennan, former cia director, speaks out ted in front of the house kmejs intelligence committee saying trump campaign associates were interacting with russian officials during the campaign, that the russians tried to recruit mechanics of the trump campaign during the election. he said there was clear contact between trump associates and russian operatives. >> i was aware of russian intelligence and information about contacts between russian officials and u.s. persons that mazed concerns in my mind about whether or not those individuals were cooperating with the russians either unwitting or t witting.
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>> new to be clear, russian operatives tried to get trump associates with collude with them. the big question is did trump associates collude knowingly or unknowingly. we have more on cray director brennan's bombshell words in a moment. but breaking news, stonewalling, lawmakers threatening to hold him in contempt? >> any thought of the general -- that was blown apart today. documents laying out the details of any meetings between general flynn and members of the russian government. now they have, as you know, issued two new subpoena directly targeting michael flynn's businesses. they don't believe legally that you can cite the fifth amendment in trying to avoid business
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records. they're going to pursue that. they noted all options are on the table. as you noted, they are willing to pursue contempt if those subpoenas are not complied with. there's something else that's not on the table and this isn't insignificant. the top republican on that committee richard burr saying at that point any talk of an immunity deal when flynn earlier brought to the table is now off the table. immunity is not on the table. we were told the house intelligence compete's request for documents also declined. subpoenas will be issued there. when it comes to what he has to say, both investigations in 2 house and senate are ramping up and not showing any signs of slowing down anytime soon. >> thank you very much. the other breaking story of course, the revealing testimony
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from cia director john brennan on capitol hill. >> reporter: today, the former cia director described in new detail what he called russia's brazen interference in the u. bleks. >> i became aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between russian officials and u.s. persons involved in the trump campaign, that i was concerned about because of known russian efforts to subborn such individuals and it raised questions in my mind again whether or not the russians were able to gain the cooperation of those individuals. >> while john brennan stopped short of saying he saw clear evidence that collusion took place between russia and the trump campaign, he said what he saw 2k3457bd serious investigation into whether trump
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campaign officials were working on russia's behalf either wittingly or unwittingly. >> frequently they don't realize they're along that path until it's too late. >> brennan left when trump took office. the intel chief dan coast was drilled. to publicly deny evidence of collusion. an apparent attempt to undercut the fbi investigation. >> i don't feel it's appropriate to characterize discussions and conversations with the president. >> when pressed on whether he would ever succumb to such request -- >> any political shaping of that presentation or intelligence would not be appropriate. >> a u.s. official tells cnn the white house was unsure about the president's power over the fbi
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which could speak to why he appeared to be trying to quash the investigation, including during a private oval office meeting in which trump asked comey to drop his investigation of michael flynn saying, i hope you can let this go, according to a memo comey wrote afterwards. a. >> when you see a pattern of this administration loses their job or ends up in a difficult position. this is just not the way an american president should act. >> and you wouldn't have known today that admiral mike rodgers was also at the center of this controversy from his appearance before the subcommittee earlier today. he was in his capacity as the head of u.s. cyber command to talk about budget and saeb every issues but not one question from lawmakers about his discussions
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with the president. >> someone who questioned the former cia director today. terry sue el of alabama, i appreciate your time. you were in the room for the first time publicly acknowledging the former director of the cia that there were transactions between the trump campaign and russian officials. s this is the 230r78er director of the cia saying this. what's your reaction? >> the american people deserve to have a transparent and thorough and deliberate investigation. so look. today i think there were two take aways. you cited the first one which is that he confirmed that this is not a witch hunt, that there is in fact intelligence evidence that suggests both contact and interaction between the trump administration or trump campaign and russia. and the second thing is that he
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talked extensively about how russia does this. this is what they do about their disinformation campaign and how they influence elections, so i think that he talked about their tactics and methods and people can unwillingly be subjected to their -- >> obvious -- >> pranks. >> in what you have heard, right, you're on the intelligence committee. do you think associates to president trump cooperated with the russians? >> listen. i think there's lots of circumstantial evidence that lead to that conclusion but i think actually that it's premature to prejudge. we have to follow the facts and where they lead and not try to prejudge this. >> on this issue of outright collusion, the former cia was asked control about this. here is that important exchange. >> if someone left this hearing
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today and thought that you had indicated that those contacts were evidence of collusion or collaboration, they would be misrepresenting your statements, correct? >> i would say it's not an accurate portrayal of my testimony, absolutely. >> you're saying circumstantial evidence leads you that way but you don't want to prejudge. >> yes. >> he is saying that he wouldn't go so far to say collusion at this point from what he saw. does this mean case close, trump is kpoj rated? >> no, it doesn't. i think we can tell by the daily we're getting information or allegations about this interaction. so i think that -- i just want our committee to function. i was very happy that we were able to have former director brennan in front of us today. i think it's important that transparency -- that the american people deserve transparency.
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i think while we cannot prejudge the conclusion that there was solution, i do believe that there is lots to be investigated and i think it's important that we take politics out of the investigation. i believe that as a member of the house intelligence committee that we have a duty of oversight and we should be able to function and do that, and perform that duty. >> we're reporting president trump asked the director of national intelligence and the director of the nsa to publicly deny there was collusion between his campaign and russia and they refused to do that. the director of the dni did not deny this. if this is true, if he asked them to do this -- we know also that that he asked the fbi director to stop the investigation of general michael flynn -- if this is true, there was an effort to stop the investigation itself, with would that be in your view obstruction
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of justice? >> i think if those facts are true and if that conversation occurred, at the very minimum it was unethical and troubling and disturbing but at most it would be evidence of obstruction of justice. >> the other thing is and i'm mentioning these stories. as you know, very significant the former cia director confirming what has been reported out there in terms of multiple transactions with the trump campaign, and some of the stories have come from anonymous leaks, we know that. here is the president. >> things are being leaked. it's criminal action. we're going to find the leaks. they're going to pay a big price for leaking. >> former cia director today said the biggest issue with trump sharing information wasn't thaufl he shared it. it's the fact that it was leaked to the press. here's director brennan.
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>> these are very, very damaging leaks and i find them appalling and they need to be tracked down. that is where the damage came is because it was released in the press. >> should these leaks be tracked down and prosecuted? >> yes. if, in fact, people disclosed classified information and leaked it to the press, they should adhere -- they should be prosecuted but i also know that it's important to not just investigate the leakers but to investigate the information that the leakers provided. if there's -- >> let me make sure i understand. leaks have come out informing the public. but as part of your investigation, would you have gotten that information anyway or do you think these leaks to the press are pushing this investigation forward? >> i do believe the leaks to the press is 3ushing the investigation forward. i also know it's illegal to
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provide classified information, so, look, at the end of the day i think the american people just want to know the truth. i ride to say that this morning, that we should really be getting to the truth of the matter and not play all these games. i know that every day, a new fact comes out and or allegation comes out and i think it's really important that we maintain our independence and really try to not be partisan. >> all right. congressman sue el, i appreciate your time. next, breaking news. the white house responding this hour to brennan's testimony. we have that for you. plus breaking news about manchester raising the terror level. children and teenagers, sons and daughters, we are just beginning to learn about the victims.
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meanwhile the former cia drosh used the word "treeson" as what happened. >> frequently, individuals who go along a treesoner's path don't even realize they're on that path until it's too late. >> out front, john kirby, jewel yacht kai yam, rick santorum, and mark preston, our senior political analyst. senator santorum, the former cia director using the word "treeson" to describe the bra broad situation. what do you say? >> i think he's said those who go on a treesonist's path. i think he's made it clear that he wasn't accusing the trump campaign, he saw no record of
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collusion and that's what the white house was responding to. the fact that the russians have reached out to the trump campaign, tried to recruit people, that is new news. although i'm not sure it's great news -- it's unusual. i think the russians for a long time have been trying to influence elections and wouldn't be surprised if they've tried to recruit all kinds of people in the past. >> he did say it was enough to go to the fbi and say that investigation should be started. >> agreed. and look -- >> which doesn't happen with other campaigns -- other candidates' name. >> i'm not saying that there isn't evidence to be investigated and there should be an investigation, but i don't think we need at this point as the director said, to be braug conclusions that there was some criminal behavior here or some collusion. >> treeson and intent, this could end up to be crucial.
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brennan said the question is whether trump associates helped the russians knowingly or unknowingly -- let me play it. >> i had unresolved questions inn my mind as to whether or not the russians have been successful in getting person or persons involved in the campaign to work in their behalf, again, even in a witting or unwitting fashion. >> does it matter cl it is when you start talking about collusion, treesonist behavior? >> it does matter. and in particular collusion would be the standard that you're -- that is a high legal standard but what he was -- brennan was describing to describe was how someone who did not set identity to do something bad can be manipulated by a sophisticated intelligence agent in russia, to disclose information that they don't even know they're disclosing and shouldn't be disclosed.
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in its totality, brennan's testimony was really bad for the white house. brennan is sort of there, sort of just tells the truth. an investigation they're doing, counterintelligence was worrisome enough that he wanted the fbi to look at it is unique. that's not happening all the time. in fact, the cia generally wants to keep these investigations to themselves because they don't want to give up sources and methods. i thought even though he said i didn't see collusion, he was clear to say that collusion was a legal standard to be set and determined by the fbi and a court and he was not -- that wasn't his job. >> and we did, mark preston, today for the first time have the cia director say not only
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that there were interactions between trump campaign and the russians but that the russians were trying to recruit trump associates from the campaign. >> no doubt about that. what's interested is i don't think we can look at recruitment tactics meaning what they might have done to try to get carter paige on might be more than them trying to get somebody else in the campaign to come into the fold. if you look at the cast of characters, conor paige seems to be this unwitting person who didn't know what he was getting into. others played a more droeblgt role about the release of -- direct role about the release of information. to have the former cia director saying he picked up his phone and called his counterpart in
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russia and sewed knock it off. it didn't work but the fact that he did so shows you what a problem they thought this was. >> that the call was made to the fbi to look into this, how large do you think that is? >> it's extremely significant. john brennan has worked for republican and dem hik administrations and whose character is beyond reproach to feel that seriously but call his russian counterpart and the russians as well. the that speaks volumes. they try to weave a fabric. they may do something different to go after a guy like carter paige and michael flynn. they are exceptionally good at this and they start sometimes just by trying to build a level of trust and that trust can sometimes goat information and information to intel. it doesn't surprise me what he said today although i do agree
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with everybody else about the seriousness of it. >> in terms of the timing, did the russians have enough time during this campaign to recruit a willing spy from the trump campaign during the time it takes time to build that relationship. >> some people are more susceptible than others. it depends on the target. if they go after who they think is going to be hard to corrupt, it could take months or years. others, it doesn't take as much. they know how to play personalities. is it possible that they could have gotten someone unwittingly yushl on, yes, it's possible. >> thank you very much -- next, breaking news from the uk. we've gotten news of another warning of an imminent terror attack as investigators are
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. breaking news. tonight imminent attack, the british prime minister warning another attack may be imminent after last night's concert where 22 people were killed at an a anda grande concert.
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salman abedi is believed to have lived in this house. he was a business student at a nearby university. we know he was of libyan descent. isis claiming responsibility. here's more breaking details. >> oh, gosh! what's happening? >> reporter: the moment of terror that took at least 22 lives, injuring dozens other more, many of them just young girls. today manchester police revealed the name of the man they believe was responsible for the attack. >> i confirm that the man suspected of carrying out last night's atrocity is 22-year-old salman abedi. we believe the attacker was carrying an improvised explosive device which he detonated. >> manchester is one of
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england's largest cities. today multiple raids were carried out and a 23-year-old man was arrested. feliz qui police quickly labeling it as a terrorist attack and isis claiming responsibility. it was around 10: 30 p.m. local time as ariana grande sang a final song. pink balloons floated down on to the thousands of concert goers inside manchester arena. the bomb exploded in a public space just outside the hall as people were screaming out. many heading to the adjacent train station. >> when we left there was -- like downstairs there was probably like early teenagers laying on the floor covered in blood. it was horrifying, really. >> a visibly angry prime
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minister theresa may, her voice breaking at times, addressed the nation. >> all attacks of terrorism are cowardly attacks on innocent people. >> the toll could rise. one mother spoke out. her daughter's still missing hours after the explosion. >> please, i want her bam in my arms. >> late today, thousands gathered at manchester's albert square. if vigil ending in a spontaneous show of solidarity. authorities now erin are really focused on trying to work out whether this young man was operating alone or whether he was part of a larger network. clearly there are some real fears that there is a larger network out there. as you mentioned the british
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prime minister has elevated the terror threat here to critical. that means attack may be imminent. the last time we saw this was in 2007. a very serious threat here tonight. erin. >> thank you very much. police right now in desperate attempt to see if there is a broader network are scattered showering the home of the suicide attacker. i want to go to ateka schubert in the bombers neighborhood. what is happening there? >> reporter: yeah. earlier today police used a controlled detonation to force their way into salman abedi's residence or at least where he was last known to be out. they took out a number of material, including documents, and we also note that a secretary -- second site was
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raided. another man was arrested in the neighborhood. we spoke to one eyewitness who described rafael a dramatic arrest with police almost plucking him from the sidewalk as he was walking from the tram station and bringing him in this cuffs. those are the developments that have happened. how they all link together exactly is what we're still waiting for from police and also, of course, to find out more about how the explosives are actually put together. that will be a critical clue. >> ateka, thank you. our guests are here. paul, from the uk first the breaking news, a warning of imminent attack, the threat
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level raised. what does this tell you? >> a stunning development. this is set by jtac, an independent body under the british system. the prime minister suggesting that investigations today have raised the possibility of a wider group of individuals that were behind this attack. that contributing towards this raising the alert level to a maximum level, meaning an attack could be imminent. but other factors also came into play including the high nature of the terrorist threat in the uk. for some time this system has been blinking red concerning an up tick in terrorism in the uk. this is two weeks before an election and in the past we've seen terrorists try to launch attacks before big elections. we saw it in spade, the madrid bombings just before an election in 2004. in franz, the attacks on the
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sh champs-elysees. >> this threat level, you also think is significant for a very specific reason? >> yes. i believe that most of the british investigators found something. it might be forensic evidence, it might be investigative evidence, intelligence. if the bomb was a vest, suicide vest, that means somebody had to make that vest. this 22-year-old person did not make the vest and get in it himself. you know, this is something you cannot do just by reading "infi"i inspiring magazines. as you know we have more than 800 people from the uk who are connected in a way or another to
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isis and other extremist groups. those people who are -- the 800 actually traveled to conflict zones in places like syria and libya and iraq. i think the fact that the prime minister raised the threat into critical indicates that they fear a bigger network is at play here. >> which of course incredibly concerning and terrifying tonight. >> absolutely. >> in terms of what they chose to do, though, this man, whether there was a network around him or not, went into a place that was full of children, that was full of children. some people watching might say is that where even people who might be sympathetic to the cause would say this is too far? why did they target children? >> they wanted to create a maximum media impact. they wanted to shock the world. they wanted to change the conversation away from the fact
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they're losing territory in syria, iraq, libya, afghanistan, and other places. for their most hardline supporters, this energizes them. they're a huge amount of anger from that point of view that children are being killed in british strikes and western strikes, u.s. strikes in syria and iraq and for them, it's an eye or an eye, it's retaliation. this is the show of strength. >> children purposely, ali? >> yeah. i think he intentionally targeted that. last saturday a statement was issued for an attack to avenge the attacks on children in the middle east. he asked for a martyrdom operation that would create a lot of damage in the west. this is something not only isis
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are putting out, something also al qaeda are putting out. we are fighting a narrative. we are fighting an ideology. we're not fighting organizations anymore. >> a group or this or that. >> no. it's mutated with al qaeda and isis. a lot of times when we see these kind of people who are inspired or acting on behalf of terrorist organizations, especially in the west, we see a flurry boundary between the way they view isis and al qaeda. rahimy in new york for example, who was the chelsea bomber. he referenced alha lackey's statement. they're all over the map. we are fighting a narrative and i think we have to start focussing on that narrative, choking it, drowning it, discrediting it. that will be the first step in making our societies more secure. >> thank you both very much.
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. tonight president trump responding to the horrifying terror attack in an a anda grond i've concert calling the attackers evil losers. >> so many young beautiful innocent people living and enjoying their lives murdered by evil losers in life. i won't call them monsters, because they would like that term. i will call them from now on, losers, because that's what they are, they're losers. and we'll have more of them. but they're losers. just remember that. >> jim acosta is out front with the president in rome. the term "evil losers" coming from the president himself. no speechwriting, no one around him, this was him.
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>> that's right. we were told that was something he wanted inserted into the speech he delivered early today that conveyed his view that these terrorists like the one that carried out the attack in manchester needs to be summed up in no uncertain terms. you heard the president do that earlier today. we should point out that the president's going to be meeting with the pope tomorrow but then he goes off to nato meetings in brussels later in the week. the president has said that nato needs to take on a more active role when it comes to counterterrorism, so you may hear the president speak of that in brussels later this week. one other thing that has coming up, the white house officials were asked is the president distracted bothered by the noise back home with the russian investigation. they say no, they're focused on their objectives. we're told by a senior official
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has confirmed that the president will hire an outside attorney to deal with the special counsel investigation. that's something we've been able to confirm here in the last several minutes. it shows you how this russian investigation has taken on a new dimension and will occasionally from time to time intrude on the president's travels as he tries to stay focused on what they want to accomplish on this tulip. >> thank you. mark preston, in this reporting jim acosta and i each with sources are confirming that mark casowitz is expected to be hired for the inquiry. i understand that the president himself actually called mark pasowitz i'm told this afternoon to talk to him. how significant is this development, having a private attorney representing him with the russia probe?
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>> it's significant in the fact that he feels he needs to do so. we shouldn't be surprised that he is doing so. he needs to protect himself in his own legal interest. so we see bill cinton do the same thing back when we had the monica lewinsky scandal. we shouldn't be surprised. what we should look at is how donald trump acts in reference to this investigation. we see former fbi director mueller look into these alleged ties between the trump campaign and of course the medaling in the u.s. elections there. >> mark preston, thank you very much. out front, dr. sanjay gupta. and the victims. we're learning about those who
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the uk raising its threat level to the highest level, which means an attack is imminent. this is the empire state building in new york, tonight going dark as a way to pay tribute to the victims of last night's attack, the victims that were overwhelmingly young. dr. sanjay gupta is out front. and sanjay, they were saying it was purposeful that they targeted young children. it was completely intentional. what can you tell us about the injuries they likely suffered given that we don't yet know exactly what sort of bomb this was? >> reporter: and we're talking about physical injuries and all sorts of psychological injuries as well. the injuries that you hear about are typically on battlefields, but they will look for this pattern of injury that focuses
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on three waves. the first wave after an explosion is this con susive blast, that can cause a come lapsed lung, for example, and shrapnel, for example glass that's flying and the third wave which is typically bodies into bodies. and these are horrific injuries. the first responders are typically thinking of trying to take care of patients based on these waves of injury. what often happens is there's a population of people that don't know that they have been injured, they may have had an injury to their lungs or their intestines not recognized and they will in the next hours and days going to the hospital. so the numbers are going to add up. >> the type of device this was, in boston, we saw so many leg injuries and people who lost their legs because of those
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pressure cooker bombs on the ground. if this were a suicide vest at a different level, would that create a different set of injuries? >> reporter: no doubt, it really does follow suit with where the explosive was, where exactly the source of the explosive was, in this case outside, so you would see a different pattern of injuries, but they still sort of follow those three patterns, those three waves that we described. that's important because they're trying to figure out which hospitals in the area are going to be able to care for these patients, how significant the injuries likely to be, all that comes into play here. next among those killed, an 8-year-old child, a teenaged superfan, we remember them tonight. (man vo) dad forgot how to brush his teeth.
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namzaric is approved for moderate to severe alzheimer's disease in patients taking donepezil. namzaric may improve cognition and overall function, and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. namzaric does not change the underlying disease progression. don't take if allergic to memantine, donepezil, piperidine, or any of the ingredients in namzaric. tell the doctor about any conditions; including heart, lung, bladder, kidney or liver problems, seizures, stomach ulcers, or procedures with anesthesia. serious side effects may occur, including muscle problems if given anesthesia; slow heartbeat, fainting, more stomach acid which may lead to ulcers and bleeding; nausea, vomiting, difficulty urinating, seizures, and worsening of lung problems. most common side effects are headache, diarrhea, dizziness, loss of appetite, and bruising. (woman 2 vo) i'm caring for someone with moderate alzheimer's. if you are too, ask about namzaric today.
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. 22 people lost their lives in the vicious terrorist attack in man chchestemanchester. so many of them were young and so excited to see a young pop superstar like arreianna grande. >> reporter: these in albert square, remembering the 22 people killed and 59 others injured in the terrorist attack that followed arianna grande's concert monday night. >> you cannot defeat us, because in the end is always stronger than hate. >> reporter: among the victims
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so far, saffie rose. she met the pop star in 2015 and looked forward to the concert so much, the day before she tweeted at grande, so excited to see you tomorrow. callander was studying health and social care, who issued a statement saying that georgina was a lovely young student. to my beautiful best friend, i hope you rest in peace, my darling. i will always miss you, one wrote. the facebook page of 26-year-old john atkinson turned into a memorial page after news of his death spread. a dance studio in his hometown expressing their condolences, john was always an amazingly happy, gentle person and a real pleasure to teach when he came to our adult classes. dozens of others are being treated in hospital.
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officials say at least 12 children are among those seriously injured. then there are families waiting in anguish, receiving no word yet on what happened to their loved one. olivia campbell is among those missing. >> she's my baby, and i miss her so much. if she's out there, just know i'll be there. >> today thousands gathered in albert square in manchester to remember the victims, to hope for those who have not yet come home, there were speeches and tears. as you can see, so many gathering in solidarity. it was also, though, a celebration of the city's resilience. poet tony walsh read a poem that he wrote about manchester, called "this is the place." >> there's hard times again in these streets of manchester, but
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we won't take defeat, this is the place where we stand strong together with a smile on our face. >> tonight the world stands with manchester. in its moment of sorrow. thank you for joining us, anderson's next. we're devoting a good deal of the program tonight to the manchester bombings. there are more reports throughout the next two hours, ordinarily learning more about anything and bringing it to you first is one of the great privileges of this job, it can certainly be a joy, not in this story. there are determination in the hearts of people in man chester and people throughout the united kingdom to resist being terrorized, even by this, even as the terror threat level is raised tonight to critical on concerns of another