"new day" gets after it. come with us. suspected manchester bomber was known to intelligence services. >> it seems likely possible that it wasn't doing this on his own. >> the threat level increased from severe to critical. >> you cannot defeat us because love in the end is always stronger than hate. i was worried by the number of contacts the russians had with u.s. persons. >> this isn't over. whether general flynn agrees to testify or not. >> a business does not have a right to take the fifth. >> the president on the international trip. >> historic moment at the vatican. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to "new day." we are following several stories this morning. president trump meeting with pope francis in vatican city. he is scheduled to leave rome within the hour and head to brussels to meet with nato allies. here at home e the russian

investigation is heating up. the former director of the cia testifying before congress. saying contacts with russian operatives and americans were real and warrant investigation. we are following breaking news. british authorities say the man behind the deadly terror attack in manchester was known to authorities. the terror alert in the uk this morning is critical. meaning authorities believe another attack could be imminent. let's get the latest details from clarissa ward live in manchester. what is the latest, clarissa. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the terror threat has not been at the level of critical in nearly a decade. the last time it happened was in 2007 when a man tried to ram his flaming car into the doors of scotland's glasgow airport. this is a serious situation here. we are learning three more individuals have been arrested

in conjunction with the attack on the manchester an reason a. that brings the total to four. british security sources say they do not think the man act d alone. new details emerging about suspected manchester bomber salman abedi. british officials telling reporters, it seems abedi did not act alone and was known to intelligence services. >> i'm sure we will find out more what level they knew about him. >> reporter: the 22-year-old born in britain to libyan parents, recently returned to the uk from libya according to british officials. he was a business student at the university of salford, but stopped apparent tettending cla. he was a lonely child and recently become more devout and growing a beard andr dressing i long robes.

this as uk raising the threat level to critical for the first time in a decade. >> assessment is an attack is highly likely or imminent. >> reporter: experts noting the sophistication of the bomb and target could indicate influence from a larger terror cell. >> oh, my gosh! >> reporter: isis taking responsibility, but so far british authorities have no evidence supporting that claim. >> you cannot defeat us because love in the end is also stronger than hate. >> reporter: a moment of silence in manchester. a city grief-stricken but resilient. pausing to remember those lost including 8-year-old saffie rose roussos. her teacher said she was simply a beautiful girl and loved by everyone. georgina callander was 15. she met ariana grande in 2015.

tweeting how excited she was to see the pop singer the night before. 26-year-old john atkinson was a college student who loved to dance. his local dance studio calling him amazingly happy gentle person and real pleasure to teach. and 15-year-old olivia campbell, also lost in the attack. >> she was waiting for ariana to come on. she was so happy. she thanked me and said she loved me. and that was the last i heard from her. >> reporter: her mother making emotional plea to cnn for help finding her daughter before confirming hours later that she was killed posting this touching memorial online. and you can see people are still gathering behind me. laying now erflowers and rememb the dead. so horrifying stories we're

hearing here about what happened inside the manchester arena. the lives that weres lost. i want to bring you up to speed. 22 people were killed. we are hearing 64 victims are still in eight different hospitals. 20 of them are in critical care. alisyn and chris. >> clarissa, that bomb threw off nasty shrapnel. the injuries could be severe. we will stay on it. clarissa, thank you. stunning revelations from the former cia chief on what he calls russian brazen interference in the election. john brennan giving the most detailed account of the trump campaign. we have joe johns in washington. joe. >> reporter: chris, this is the latest that has been made public so far of the russian interference in the last sectiosectio

election. the former cia chief with no knowledge of collusion. it appears the cia raised the red flag. >> i am aware of intelligence that revealed contacts between russian officials and u.s. persons involved in the trump campaign. >> reporter: the former head of the cia john brennan, testifying for the first time he saw concerning evidence of russian operatives attempting to recruit trump aides during the campaign. >> it raised questions in my mind whether or not the russians were able to gain cooperation. >> reporter: brendnan did not se proof of collusion before he left office while stressing there was enough evidence for an investigation. >> i know what the russians try to do.

they try to get individuals including u.s. persons to act on their behalf wittingly or unwittingly. people along a treasonous path do not realize it. >> reporter: despite a year of investigation, there is still no evidence of russia/trump collusion. the senate intelligence committee issuing subpoenas to businesses owned by former national security adviser michael flynn after flynn pled the fifth refusing to comply with the previous request to turnover all documents related to the russia investigation. >> we disagree with general flynn's lawyers interpretation of the fifth. clearly it is more clear that a business does not have the right to take fifth. >> reporter: the committee leadership holding open the possibility of holding flynn in contempt of congress if he continues to ignore requests.

>> if there is not a response, we will seek additional counsel advice on how to proceed forward. at the end of that option is the contempt charge. i said that everything is on the table. >> reporter: the white house now gearing up for a prolonged fight after initially dismissing the russia probe as a witch hunt. the president hiring his long time attorney marc kasowitz. it is our understanding that the white house hit the reset button on the search for the fbi director. the president indicated he was close to naming replacement for james comey, but now he is apparently interested in expanding the pool of applicants. chr chris, alisyn. >> thank you. let's bring in our panel. we have abby phillip and david gregory along with general michael hayden.

general, he could not be certain of collusion. he did see contact and communication with russian operatives. >> alisyn, it is what you classically expect your foreign intelligence chief to say. we have massive evidence of russian intervention in the election. we know the russians attempt to suborne people. we have the unexplained contacts with russians and the trump campaign that looks suspicious. we will turn it over to law enforcement. it reinforces the cause of the investigation. it doesn't conclude it. it gives legitimacy to the effort that is currently under way and against which the white house continues to push back as totally unwarranted. >> did you hear brennan say i didn't hear of any proof. i don't know of any proof or

which was it? did you hear him say there is no proof or i don't know if there's proof or not. >> i think it is i don't know. chris, it is really important to understand that one element of the proof would be the contact with trump officials and people in the russian federation. they may turn out to be innocent as john suggested. they may turn out not to be. what he has actually may be the first thread of evidence that leads to something that's conclusive. what john is saying, i have nothing conclusive within my field of view. chris, remember where i began. he is the foreign intelligence chief. he turn it over to the domestic law enforcement folks. >> abby, what changed in your mind yesterday? >> i think he introduced this idea that people might have been involved in things they did not know they were involved in things. he made it clear the way this works is some people go down

what he called quote treasonous path without knowing it. that is extraordinary to say and important as we continue down this path. we done know what happened here. he introduced to me the possibility that people might not have known what they were doing which helps explain why there's so much vehement opposition why this probe is valid and agencies are looking down the path and seeing a lot of things out there and recognize people may not have known the path they were on and it is enough information to justify this investigation going forward. >> here's the former chief in his own words. >> frequently individuals who go along a treasonous path do not realize it until it gets to be

too late. that is why my radar goes up early when i see certain things. i know what the russians are trying to do and i don't know if the targets of their efforts are as mindful of the russians. >> you unwittingly are a stooge and he has seen it before. >> it is unknown if there is collusion. common sense is -- >> means intention. >> you know if i was trying to get you to help me. >> he is saying maybe not. >> david, what i thought was the big headline from yesterday, unless there is a criminal charge here and that is a high bar given what we know right now. trey gowdy is the face of the opposition and political reality this is going to be a political question. you know, just judging by gowdy, they will never been satisfied of anything wrong here.

what was your take? >> talk about trey gowdy. the congress member from south carolina. former u.s. assistant attorney. he knows well when you have somebody who is seeking so shutdown an investigation and that's potential obstruction of justice. if you want to put it in the political context, we can do that. president of the united states firing the fbi director leading the investigation and going to other chiefs and trying to slow it down. why? it doesn't make sense even if there is nothing there. there is something worth mentioning. it becomes a political argument. there was an attitude within the trump campaign exemplified by the candidate. how cavalier he was about how he could be compromised and those around him could be compromised by a foreign power seeking to interfere in the election. even now with his brazen sharin.

i like to quote "the godfather." when michael was told your father did business with heiman roth. and the distrust of the russians. that is a real breakdown in judgment. >> i'm glad you are fascinated by that. general, this was a moment in the brennan testimony where it helped clarify something. ever since president trump confirmed he divulged sensitive classified information to the russians, he said presidents can do that. it is legal. actually, brennan, yesterday, said yes, they can do it, but there is a protocol. a process by which you are supposed to share classified information. it is not blurting out in the oval office. that is not the process. in fact, you have to check back with the original source to make

sure you can share this information. let me play this moment for you where brennan talked about it. >> secondly, before sharing any classified intelligence with foreign partners, it needs to go back to the originating agency to make sure the language in it is not even just providing substance reveal sources and methods and compromise the future collection ability. from the press reports, neither did it go to the proper channels nor did the originating agency had the opportunity to clear language for it. that is a problem. >> general, do you agree that breaking protocol is a problem? >> absolutely. two unforced errors. number one, doing it without consulting the originator of the information. and doing it on the fly so your language is not carefully crafted to make sure you are not revealing anything more than you intend to reveal to the russians in this case. can i use this to reinforce a

point that david made? you know where this all might end up? in a place where the campaign bears responsibility for doing things that colluded, but falling well short of guilt for having done those things. this may be a certain sense of ignorance and lack of care and chaos that allowed the russians to do some things for which they should feel responsibility about which they cannot be held guilty. >> michael, let me ask you something. when you were the at the nsa and the president came to you, do me a favor. i don't buy the russian thing. will you go public and say there is no proof. with a wou what would you do? >> i would do the same as mike rogers. politely decline that as inappropriate. i would phrase, mr. president, let me tell you the reasons you don't want me to do that on your behalf. chris, i have to add, i never

got a phone call directly from president bush, although i thought i had a very good relationship with him. the fact of that call would have setoff all sorts of concerns. >> is there a duty to tell anyone? >> i actually -- the fact of that call doesn't enjoy classification protection. it may have protocol protection and privacy and some executive privilege. i have been struck that no dni codes or cia have denied the fact of the call. they just avoided opportunities to confirm it. in my judgment, they did take place. i do believe when they are in front of the committee of jurisdiction, which is the intelligence committees in the house and senate, when they are asked that, i do think they will say what exactly happened. >> panel, we have to leave it there. abby, we owe you one. thank you very much for all of the insights.

we have other news to get to and the white house released the budget plan and proposed cuts are laalarming to members on bo sides of the aisle. we will have senator tim kaine here with what concerns him next. there's a jacket that's reflective for visibility... ...a sleeping bag jacket, jackets that turn into tents. i usually do my fashion sketches on the computer. i love drawing on the screen. there's no lag time at all. it feels just like my markers. with fashion, you can dress people and help people. it's really cool to see your work come to life. sugar, we're letting you go. what? who's replacing me? splenda naturals? look, she's sweet, she's got natural stevia, no bitter aftertaste and she's calorie-free. so that's it? we made you a cake. with sugar? oh, no. (laughing) so that's it? we made you a cake. so i use excedrin.ments from my life. it starts to relieve migraine pain in just 30 minutes.

and it works on my symptoms, too. now moments lost to migraines are moments gained with excedrin. [heartbeat] e for mom, the nation's largest senior living referral service. for the past five years, i've spoken with hundreds of families and visited senior care communities around the country and i've got to tell you, today's senior livingnd communities are better than tever.ou, today's senior living communities are better than ever. these days, there are amazing amenities like movie theaters, texercise rooms and swimmingg pools, public cafes, bars and, bistros. exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros. even pet care services. and nobody understands your options like the advisors at a place for mom. these are local, expert advisors that will partner with you to find the perfect place and determine the right level of care. whether that's just a helping hand or fulltime memory care. best of all it's a free service. there's never any cost to you. senior living has never been better. and there's never been an easier way to get

great advice. call today. a place for mom. you know your family. we know senior living. a place for mom. you know your family. we know senior living. together we'll make the right choice. garden weeds are scoundrels. with roundup precision gel®, you can banish them without harming plants nearby. so draw the line. give the stick one click, touch the leaves and the gel stays put killing garden weeds to the root. draw the line with roundup precision gel®.

president trump reportedly hiring a private attorney to represent him on the investigation into the russian interference in the 2016 election. in the hearing yesterday, representative dan coats refused to say whether trump tried to get him to publicly deny collusion with team trump and russia. >> i have always believed given the nature of my position and the information with which we share, it is not appropriate for me to comment publicly on any of that. so on this topic as well as other topics i don't feel it is appropriate to characterize discussions and conversations with the president. >> let's bring in democratic senator tim kaine of virginia. member of the senate armed

services committee which held the hearing. good morning, senator. >> good morning, alisyn. >> should dan coats have answered that question? >> alisyn, i don't think he should have answered it directly, but there was a follow-up question asked by jack reed, the lead democrat on the committee, who said don't talk about your ckoconversations. would it be appropriate for a president to make such a request. he answered plainly. he said it would be inappropriate to shape intelligence in any way. that's my position. i made that position plain to the administration. so he didn't want to reveal his direct conversations with the president, but he does tell us what he thought was appropriate and not appropriate. that tells me "the washington post" reporting is likely correct. >> isn't it in the public interest if the united statprese united states is trying to influence? >> yes.

absolutely. there is through the intel committee investigation or the special prosecutor. there is a degree to which a president should have conversations with director of national intelligence without that necessarily revealed in open hearing. because of the follow-up question that senator reed asked, it is clear what dni coats position was. >> what did you think of john brennan's testimony? did you think he was confirming there was no collusion with russia and team trump or did you think he was just -- he basically said i saw contact and communication, but could not go that extra step. where does that lead you? >> he certainly was not saying there was no collusion or cooperation. he was saying he saw contact that caused him concern. he even used the phrase going down a treasonous path to describe concerns when he saw the contact. what he said is he turned the evidence of this over to the fbi

before he left the cia. at this point, it is up to the investigation to determine whether there's collusion or cooperation. he did not say there was no collusion or cooperation. he used grave words to describe the level of concern. >> help us us whenderstand the investigation today. >> you have two investigations. senate intelligence moving forward with director comey coming in after memorial day and now a special prosecutor to give the american public confidence this will be done independently. they are looking at a pattern. the president is talking to director comey whether or not he keeps his job. he asks if he will be loyal to me. he then asks to drop the investigation into michael flynn. director comey does not only not do that, but talks about the investigation to congress and asks for more resources for the investigation. then gets fired and then the

president tells folks including the russians, hey, look, this is going to help take the pressure off of the russia investigation. so there's a pattern emerging. most of the pattern is words coming out of the president's own mouth in terms of undermining the investigation because he was concerned about the fbi director getting too close. >> in terms of getting the information, are you getting all of the information you need? there is a report out this morning that senate democrats, of which you are one, sent a letter to the president saying the federal agencies are basically stonewalling them. asking for documents and more information and senate democrats believe they have been instructed not to share information with senate democrats. >> alisyn, that letter troubles me. i'm not part of the letter. that has not been my experience thus far in dealing with the administration. then again, i'm not on either of the committees that are doing that russia investigation.

intel and judiciary. i am on two committees using the information. armed services and foreign relations. we have to make important decisions taking into account what the chief nation state adversary russia is doing. i'm a consumer of the intel, but not on the investigative committees. i was not part of the letter. i'm troubled if amy coal lellea are not getting their questions answered. >> let's talk about the budget. what troubles you? >> the big thing that jumped out was broken promises. he said on the campaign trail, i'll not cut medicaid or i'll not cut social security. this budget, when you combine with the aaca, cuts medicaid by $1.5 trillion and social

security by $75 billion. this from a president who promised he won't do it. it jumps out. it makes me think when we see the cbo today, it will break president trump's promises. nobody pays more. nobody loses coverage. nobody gets kicked around with pre-existing conditions. >> it basically hurts poor people. it takes money away from food stamps and student loans. the director mick mulvaney is suggesting that it is time to get people off of the programs and this budget will help that. let me play for you what he said. >> we are no longer going to measure compassion by the number of programs or the number of people on the programs. but by the number of people we help get off the programs. >> your reaction? >> i think he is looking at numbers on a page and not

looking at people. this is not about programs. it is about people. director mulvaney sent over a budget for the president. when you cut medicaid, in virginia, about 1 million people get medicaid. 112,000 are elderly. 186,000 are people with disabilities. that is who gets hurt when you cut medicaid. poor and vulnerable people and children. that is who they are hurting. they are looking at numbers on a page. in the senate, we will look at people. that's what this budget is really about. it is about people. we are not going to let them make draconian cuts. >> senator tim kaine, thank you. former national security adviser michael flynn defying congress saying he will not give them what they want and he will use his fifth amendment right against self incrimination. members still want information from him.

we have congress member elijah co cummings next. ♪ ♪ he's happy.t's with him? your family's finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. and they only take 15 minutes to make. ahh! birds eye voila so veggie good it'that can make a worldces, of difference. expedia, everything in one place, so you can travel the world better.

...doesn't happen by accident. ♪ surfing is a sport that takes a lot out of you physically. from the moment i wake up on my tempur-pedic mattress i feel like i am ready to take on the day. i don't have aches and pains from the previous day's training and i feel like myself. i wake up feeling stronger. a better surfer. a better me. ♪ now through june 11th, save $600 when you buy select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets.

find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com. features ego's arc lithium the #battery technology.mower, it delivers the cutting-torque of gas. and the self-propelled model makes mowing effortless. the ego power+ mower. exclusively at the home depot and ego authorized dealers. searching for answers may feel overwhelming. so start your search with our teams of specialists at cancer treatment centers of america. the evolution of cancer care is here. learn more at cancercenter.com/experts

all right. here's the latest. the senate intel committee subpoenaed two of general fly flynn's over the rsussian immediate meddling. it's related to the fired national security adviser. the ranking democrat on the o r oversight committee is elijah cummings. he joins us now. what do you hope for with the letter and what has been the response? >> the response has been radio silence. it appears the republicans just don't want to subpoena one document from the white house. and chris, we need those documents. you have all kinds of

contradictio contradictions. you have allegations that flynn told the president and the white house about his criminal investigation going on early on. questions about whether he was truthful with regard to applications that he made for security clearance. a lot of things that could be cleared up if we could only get our hands on the documents. chris, let me be clear. i want to know what the president knew and i want to know what the vice president knew. i want to know what the attorney general knew. i want to know when they knew it about flynn and -- >> are you asking for too much? >> no, no, no, no, no. we have a threat to our electoral system. we have to deal with it. i know a lot of people are

throwing around the word impeachment, chris, but you have to keep in mind we cannot have somebody sitting over in russia determining who sits in the white house. we can't do that. i don't want us to lose sight of that. we have to gather information. i have been listening to your discussion this morning. a lot of your discussion is about impeachment. i believe that mueller, whom i have a tremendous amount of confidence in will resolve those issues. we in the congress need to make sure it doesn't happy again. that is another reason why congress member swalel and i need to have the independent commission. you need congress doing their job and you need mr. mueller doing his. >> just to be clear, i don't think that the actual topic has come up this morning. i think you are many steps away from political action that would

contemplate something like impeachment. what did you make of brennan's testimony? did it influence you? >> it helped me. again, keep in mind what his role is as a former cia director. when you hear someone who worked under several administrations and i have lot of confidence and trust in, he basically tried to make us understand that there were things that should have caused alarm bells to go off and caused them to go off with him. again, i think he presented enough information for all of us to say, you know, as he did. somebody really needs to look in it. >> the push back is you have looked into it. it has been looked at for over six months now. there's been no leaked or made public information of actual

collusion between anybody on trump's staff or any russian operatives or entities. this is a hoax. >> and any investigator or anybody who seriously wants to address threats to our democracy would say to you, chris, based on what you just said, that is not accurate. again, there is enough preliminary information here and there's something else here too. whether you want to admit it or not or others want to admit it, there is an air of deception here. you have to look at what the president is doing over and over again. keep in mind, the president told us that none of his people had contact with russians. that's what he told us. and we found everybody had

contact. so there's a lot here and i got to tell you, chris, after i attended the briefing the other day with rosenstein, i came out saying to myself, this whole thing -- if i were advising people in this case, i would tell almost anybody who had a lot to do with the transition, they may want to start looking for a lawyer. >> the president took your advice. he signed kasowitz. we will see where it goes. let's switch topics. the medicaid proposal in the budget. what do you think this means for people who are on the supplemental nutritional program s.n.a.p.? and the white house is saying this is about slowing growth, not cuts. it is about the number of people off the program. what is your response? >> pain. pain. in other words, people are

struggling trying to make it, chris. i live in a neighborhood where i see people trying to make it every day. they are the ones where a lot of them are taking the early bus. they never had the opportunity to get medicaid in our state. when you say that you will take over $800 billion for medicaid and say that it will not touch anybody or it will not hurt -- i just disagree. obviously, we come to a point in our country, chris, where people like mulvaney, i think, have an empathy deficit. i know what he said. let's get them off and they can fend for themselves. a lot of people can't fend for themselves, but they do the best they can. i'll be real clear.

i'll do everything within my power to turn that around. we cannot have that. the other thing, chris, a lot of people that will be hurt are trump voters. the very people that depended on him and the same people that came to the rallies and same people that stood in lines and cheered him on. he now is turning around and saying, you know what? i'm going to make sure the rich is taken care of. for you i'm going to take away the very things that allow you to exist. we have got to get away from this concept of collateral damage. no american should be considered collateral damage. you know, chris, you know my story. one son of two former share croppers to go in one generation from share croppers to the united states congress. people have -- there's a lot of help that came along with that. >> yup. >> again, there are people sitting here right now and some

in the congress who have been helped up by government and they became taxpayers and able to give back to society. no, we are going to fight this with everything we got. i'm looking forward to the battle. >> i remember your story. i've been with you in your neighborhood. i see how the people look to you to help them and protect them in their struggle to get by. we will see what happens in the budget fight. congress member cummings, a pleasure. >> chris, let me make it clear. >> yes, sir. >> i also care about folks in the rural areas and all over america because they are in pain just like the people in my neighborhood. it is not a black or white issue. it is an american issue. >> understood. thank you, congress member. you are always welcome on "new day." president trump wrapping up the tour of the relidg religiou

with the trip to the vatican. the conversation with the pope and the president. that's next. listen, sugar, we're lettin' you go. it's that splenda naturals gal, isn't it? coffee: look, she's sweet, she's got natural stevia, no bitter aftertaste, and zero calories. all the partners agree? even iced tea? especially iced tea. goodbye, sugar. hello, new splenda naturals. goodbye, sugar.

♪ you might not ever just stand there, looking at it. you may never even sit in the back seat. yeah, but maybe you should. ♪ (laughter) ♪

so president trump holding historic face-to-face talk with pope francis at the vatican. the president received a warm welcome after clashing with the pope on issues during the campaign. cnn's sara murray with the awesome assignment in rome. tell us about the visit, sara. >> reporter: well, not exactly rough duty here, alisyn.

covering this landmark visit by president trump. he met earlier today with the pope and it was a warmer reception we have seen in the past with the gentlemen. the pope making jokes with melania trump. he told a pool of reporters he felt it was a fantastic meeting. he shared gift was the pope. including first edition of dr. martin luther king jr. writer g writerings. they toured the sistine chapel and melania visited with children at the pediatric hospital here in the vatican. and back to substance tonight. the president and first lady will fly to bruz ssels ahead of the nato meeting. >> thank you, sara. we have to talk about it. it is out there making the rounds. are you obsessed with it.

let's show the scene. one of several. >> i like you don't want to show you, but we're all obsessed. >> we are talking about it. what happened here? you see the reach back. was that a failed connection? >> no. >> was that something else? >> that was a swat. >> all right. other examples of this. it has gone viral. out of my control. what happened? why did it happen more than once? what does it mean? >> let me see this one. >> what do you think? did she not know? got the heine tap after it. it does. watch what happened. >> wow. >> do you think -- >> that is coming off the plane in rome. >> was this an intentional non graspi grasping? >> that was not intentional. the first one. >> got you by surprise. not as quick as melania.

>> exactly. exactly. that one is an official swat. i often do to you. >> usually you do this and a wince. you don't think we are moving our arms. >> you went like this. an actual sound. >> how many times are you going to hit me? that was for the one before. what do you think? was it a failed connection when trains are going too fast and they don't make the link up between cars or intentional swatting as camerota said as she struck me? >> let us know. find us on twitter. what will the president take away from the conversation with the pope? cardinal timothy doulan is here next. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts.

great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org. on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $509 on auto insurance.

call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

. president donald trump has just met with pope francis today. the president shaking the pope's hand. this follows leaders. what does it all mean? let's discuss with the arch bishop of new york. >> good of you to invite me. >> oh, please. any time. so we keep talking about the president's disposition towards these foreign leaders, but let's look at it in reverse. what did you see.

>> reporter: >> it didn't surprise me at all. i saw the pope set the president at ease. he always knows it is intimidating to come into the vatican, the swiss guards, all the art and everything. he's great at putting everything at ease. i also notice he was doing a lot of listening. you figure the president of the united states just got back from two volatile spots, syria and israel. so i think the pope was eager to hear president trump's observations about those volcanic areas, which is one of the reasons why world leaders like to go to the vatican because it is a great listening post. it is one of the areas of the world that almost has a stethoscope of all the troubled places in the world. i would say the pope did a lot of listening as well as speaking to the president.

>> you know the build-up to this pope taking over. we spent a lot of time studying him, went to his home in argentina, and he has a very different view about the rights of humanity and who should be protected and how than this current administration does. can you think this would have been an opportunity for the pope to address those at all with this president? >> i think so. i would not be surprised at all if the pope got his points across. this is a man that's come across as the greatest profit and protection of the poor throughout the world. so he would speak of those values and principals, i think he would. he tells that to all the leaders. this is interesting, chris, when you have these two leaders today, you got the leader of the

greatest spiritual authority of the world and the leader of the strongest earthy power. that the two of them would work hand in glove and have more that brings them together and divides them. that's pretty much the history of relations. so i would have hoped that would have continued today. >> it was an interesting demonstration to the evolution of our president as candidate to president. >> yes. >> i'll play this moment for the audience. one of the first memos i did with then candidate trump. the pope had been bumping heads with trump a little bit. so i asked trump about it and here is what he said. >> i remember. >> you meet the pope. pope francis comes. there is a translator here. and then he says i want to tell him something. the translator says to you the pope believes that capitalism can be a real avenue to greed. it can be toxic and corrupt and

he's shaking his finger at you? >> i'd say isis wants to get you. do you know isis wants to come in and take over the vatican. that's a dream of theirs. >> you're going to scare the pope? >> i'm going to have to scare the pope. >> that didn't happen. but it was an interesting look into his mind at that time of, hey, the pope needs to get with the reality. it is a difficult mess amg so digest. when we see what we saw in manchester, a reminder of the e vail, it is easy to want to condemn it and condemn the faith that is the source of it. that worked very well during the election. the pontiff has a different message. how do you reconnect. >> you are on to something, too, because sometimes it can be dismissed as unrealistic. so you have a worldly natural reaction to the horror of manchester yesterday would be we have to fight fire with fire. we have to real yat.

there has to be more violence. there has to be vindictiveness. that's understandable. that's realistic. yet, there is something deeper in the mystery of humanity and the pope speaks to that. he says wait a minute. let's call upon our better angels here. let's try to rediscover what brings us together. we are all children of god. we are at our best when we work together, when we forgive, when we reach out. somebodidy has got to say that and remind us that the core of the human person is light and reconciliation. i don't know anybody that's doing that more than pope francis. >> it will be interesting to see it. >> i'm eager to see his take on it. >> hopefully we'll get it. cardinal thank you so much.

you make us better every time you come on. >> i'm glad you said that. >> we're following a lot of news. new details in the terror attack in england. there is still a loft people fighting for their lives. let's get to it. >> oh, my god! >> police have identified the bomber. >> he was known to intel geps and had just returned from libya. >> the aday may be imminent. >> this is the first time in a decade that the threat level has been raised to crystal. intelligent revealed interactions between russian officials and u.s. persons involved in the trump campaign. >> michael flynn can't hide for very long. >> president trump face to face with the pope. how did their historic first meeting turn out? this is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. it is wednesday, may 24th, 8:00

in the east. we have breaking news into the deadly terror attack tat concert in manchester england. three arrests were made overnight. the terrorist was known to security forces. >> back here at home big news as well. stunning revelations into the russia investigation. john brennan testifying he was aware of interactions between russian operatives and the campaign and that those deserves investigation. all the angles covered, including president trump face to face with the pontiff. >> let's start with klarissa ward live in manchester. klarissa? >> reporter: good morning, chris. it is quite a crowded scene at a vigil that has sprung up. people are filing through, remembers the dead as the investigation into the suicide bomber at this potential network