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cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it's thursday, may 25th. 6:00 in the east. here is today's starting line. the republican candidate for congressional seat in montana accused of body slamming the reporter. this happened the day before the special election. the republican earning the assault charge. the whole thing on audio tape with witnesses. what does it mean for the vote? >> that reporter trying to ask about the gop health care bill and cbo score that finds the bill would leave additional 23 million people uninsured in the next decade. international frustration of intelligence leaks. united kingdom is upset with the u.s. after details of the investigation of the manchester attack leaked to the media. is the trust of key allies in jeopardy? and attorney general jeff sessions failed to disclose
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meetings with the russian ambassador on security clearance form. one lawmakers demanding an investigation. we have all of the stories covered for you. we have kyung lah live in missoula, montana. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. voters waking up to a dramatic turn of events in the special election. the republican widely considered barely the frontrunner here caught in the dramatic audio. local law enforcement considering it a misdemeanor crime. republican congressional candidate greg gianforte charged with misdemeanor assault the night before montana's special election after allegedly body slamming guardian reporter ben jacobs. >> he is a reporter. >> reporter: the altercation captured in audio recording.
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>> the cbo scoring. you are waiting to make decision about the health care bill. >> we'll talk to you about it later. >> speak with shane, please. >> i'm sick and tired of you guys. the last time you did the same thing. get the hell out of here. the last guy did the same thing. are you the guardian? >> yes. >> the last guy did the same thing. >> you just body slammed me and broke my glasses. >> get the hell out of here. >> you like me to get the hell out of here. i would like to call police. can i get your names? >> reporter: jacobs recounting the insurancecident at the hosp. >> he throws me down. my glasses break. i'm pretty sure he's on top of me wailing for a second.
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>> reporter: gianforte's campaign offering a different version of events after the incident. releasing the incident on aggressive behavior. writing, as greg was giving a special interview, ben jacob s entered the office without permission and started asking badgering questions. jacobs was asked to leave. after being asked to lower the recorder, jacobs declined. pushing them both to the ground. it is unfortunate the aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at the campaign volunteer barbecue. >> i saw his feet. >> reporter: both accounts contradicting the events.
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one fox news team in the room, accounts gianforte grabbed jacobs by the neck with both hands. stressing at no point did they witness jacobs acting aggressively. last night, we did catch up with the democratic challenger rob kwi quist. he said he did not want to comment. we can speak with democratic supporters. they hope this effects democratic turnout in the race for congress. a seat vacated. we are hearing, chris and alisyn, as these polls open, 7 out of 10 people have already voted. it is difficult if this will have any impact. alisyn and chris. >> kyung lah, thank you. let's talk about this with our panel. we have david gregory and john
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avalon. john, you used to work with the reporter. it is hard to be that measured in response than being body slammed. ben jacobs say you body slammed me. you broke my glasses. i'm going to call police. what is this reporter like? >> ben jacobs is a smart reporter. he was getting a question about a breaking news of the scoring of the health care bill. the audio tells the story. the campaign spin contradicts it, discounts it. it is a lie. it is an attempt to demonize jacobs as a liberal reporter. that speaks to the ugliness of what they are trying to tap into. the candidate flipped out to a question he did not feel comfortable answering. and the candidate, the republican candidate the night
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before election physical slammed ben jacobs to the ground, but started punching him. this is not behavior that is acceptable for any adult, let alone representing the people of montana. >> he caught an assault charge. david gregory, it is a no-brainer. the campaign can say whatever it wants. it is fabricating the story to cover the guy losing it over what this reporting was asking about. that is one component. doesn't seem to be much of a case in the defense of the assault charge. he lost his cool and did something stupid. he should go through the system. in terms of politically, 7 out of 10 votes. trump won this by 20 points. it is a heavily republican place. the seat is traditionally republican. do we expect any difference in the outcome of the election because of this as egregious as it is? >> it is hard to say.
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you have people just hearing about it who will vote and perhaps effected by it. the kind of thing that could affect your vote if the guy is suited to be in the house of representatives. again, it was pointed out. you have so much early voting there that it may already be decided. i think this one becomes very difficult to predict. the other piece of this, of course, let's react like human beings. this is clearly wrong. it speaks for itself. i'm hopeful that the candidate this morning wakes up and realizes he made a mistake and like anyone would apologize. >> he has a bad story now. that's his problem. the guy, shane, the spokesperson. he rolled out that bs of what happened. he has an audio recording. it is tough to back up the truth when you have witnesses and audio. >> exactly right.
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>> and is there some sort of larger story or message we should take away here? is this just isolated incident? a candidate snapped and we can look at it that way or look at it as growing aggression against the press? >> i think gianforte will say it is an isolated incident and others experiencing these things that the assailants would say they are isolated incidents. we have seen this happen this week or a few days ago. another one of my colleagues in congress got roughed up in the fcc trying to ask a question. you have the culture of reporters are the enemy going on and it depends. you see a lot of democrats pointing the finger at the president. saying you help create this culture where people consider reporters to be an enemy of the people. and saying that doesn't mean go out and assault a reporter, but
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it creates an environment in which this is okay to hate reporters and sometimes fist fly. >> the flip side, john, is it fair to blame the president for the actions of one dope in montana? >> no. not a direct connection. it is about creating an atmosphere consciously stoking the fires of fear and anger. the president of the united states calling the press the quote enemy of the american people. a lot of rhetoric in the rallies in the campaign where people at the rallies express anger to the reporters. this guy clearly flipped off the handle. he has anger management issues. >> his responsibility. >> let's noti diffuse that. ben jacobs is not a threatening human being. >> that is why he went after him. >> he sounds like he snapped. david. >> i would like to point out --
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i agree with what ben said. there has been a certain environment created. the fact that the press an knan people. nothing excuses losing your cool. dealing with reporters can be annoying. anybody who had to deal with them on a story, present company excluded, of course, can be highly annoying. ben was being annoying here. about to start another interview and pressing him on an issue he doesn't want to deal with. there are a lot of people who are amateurs in the political game and not used to this scrutiny. i dealt with it in local news and local officials. that is part of it. >> this guy ran for governor last cycle. he is a businessman. he referred to a previous article about business ties that irritated him as well. this is happening the day before the election.
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yes, there is early voting. the only poll that counts is on election day. three papers in montana overnight withdrew endorsement is a big deal. now it is up to the people of montana to send a message. >> going for a seat in congress. i don't know how familiar your viewers are and reporters walk up to lawmakers. you can go to house members and senators and put a microphone in their face and ask a question. this is how it works. this is a preview of life if he wins. you can't body slam reporters. i never had that happen in the capitol. it would be remarkable and capitol police would rush in if it happened. >> great point. >> one opportunity here. the president made robocalls for this guy. he supposedly has support with one of trump's kids. it is unfairly to blame the president for the environment. you want to be angry at the
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media. fine. you want heated conversations. fine. you don't touch people. it is an opportunity. let's see if he takes it. >> panel, thank you very much for all of the insights. next hour on "new day" we talk with a buzzfeed reporter on the scene when this alleged body slamming incident occurred. british law enforcement stopped sharing intelligence with the u.s. because of intel leaks. we are getting new details about the suicide attacker and the bomb that he used. that's another threat to the story. the leaks are real. cnn senior international correspondent clarissa ward live in manchester right now. leaks have become a topic of n conversati conversation. there are two types. one is where are you getting information that politicians don't like and the other is where it is sensitive information and it can create a larger security issue. what are we dealing with here?
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>> reporter: chris, i think there is a lot of frustration from uk officials who cannot understand why photographs of the crime scene and sensitive details of the bomb and more so the game of tname of the bomber released. there is an understanding that the u.s. has a large national intelligence bureaucracy and it is not high level officials, but lower level officials leaking this information. it is a repeated theme that uk officials and 24 hours ago we heard from the homeland security say it is irritating and it needs to tstop. this is troubling. police say it undermines the relationship. now we're hearing as you mention a suspension of intelligence sharing on the investigation into the manchester bombing. part of the reason for that if you look at the new york times photographs, chris, that they published, it seemed to indicate
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this was a sophisticated device. you see the circuit board and detonator in the left-hand of the bomber and bomb making materials. some we have spoken to says there is a disconnect with the weapon and the bomber himself. authorities now really want to make sure who made that bomb. was it made here in the uk? was it made in libya potentially? was bombmaker libyan? was the bombmaker british? they are trying to drill down on these questions. at the end of the day, this was a sophisticated device that killed 22 people. nobody here in the uk wants to see that happen again. alisyn. >> clarissa, thank you for that background. with british officials furious about the leaks in the investigation. what is the potential political and security fallout? that's next.
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mudd. the media perspective is this, phil, they want to keep some information hidden. you learn about things you would not learn about otherwise. what is the other side when it comes to intel? >> chris, are you correct, but in half the cases. when we see embarrassment is not a national security leak. let's give you a definition of a national security leak. when adversary gains advantage. in this case, it did. somebody in the u.s. government decided "the new york times" should know what the brits revealed secretly. when you reveal the name of the bomber, you thought you had a day or two to escape or destroy evidence. now i realize the british security services and services are on us. i have to act more quickly.
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you may not believe that scenario, i saw terrorists do stupid things like they assume they had more time. when you see the word leak, you differentiate embarrassing and what gives the adversary the advantage. that is why the british are angry today. >> david, phil lays out the case from the intel side. these are not things that are shocking bombshells in the u.s. press. we often know the name of the bomber or we have pictures of evidence. these are things that british authorities will no longer share with the u.s. in the investigation. >> obviously, i take phil's points. it is surprising to me in the case. don't we learn the identity of the bomber almost right away in most of the cases? it sounds like there's a con s
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confla conflation here of information damaging to donald trump and what happened here. it sounds law enforcement leaking this information domestically. it seems to happen in the cases. especially when the fbi is called on to help or consulted in some way. >> timing matters. yes, we get the information or names or it is at a point when the authorities are giving it to you are comfortable. karoun, you get information and you go through appraisal process and editorial staff and often as you know this, all of us do, you go to authorities and say how sensitive is this information? what is the import from your perspective if this gets out? it is not just a dumping of information that comes your way. that's a relevant part too. >> i think it needs to be repeated news organizations have processes and standards and have a sense of responsibility.
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don't just make the decisions willy-nilly. if a decision is made, usually a lot of thought went into it if they publish something or not. >> often we don't report things like cnn recently with the big break that jim sciutto and manu raju and jake tapper had about the intel that the president was blamed for leaking. they were asked not to reveal certain information because of the national security import. they did not report those details. >> and a week and a half ago, the meeting in the oval office, we did not put names of the cities in that report. there is information we may know and not splash all over the pages of the newspaper or television screen based on concerns. i think we have to take into account not only -- a different culture with the government and press in every country.
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the standards we have here may not match the british government feels are applicable for them. you don't see the british government pointing the fingers at the culpable parties. again, i don't think the onus right now and blame is put on the journalists so much as this is clearly hitting a nerve with the two longstanding partners who rely on many atmosphesphere. this is tragic and sensitive, but it seems that is where the fight is localized. >> phil, this is expected to come up with donald trump and theresa may at nato. she will bring that up with president trump. she will find a sympathetic ear. he expressed displeasure. phil, one more thing about what the president did in the oval
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office. he divulged classified information as karoun and chris were just saying about isis to russians. now israel. our closest ally is in a terrible position. that is where the intel originated. they said they had to make a pinpoint correction to sources of people in the field because of this. it has real life consequences. >> it does. let's be clear. the brits are right. they should hammer us. i would not reveal information about the investigation if i were them unless it related specifically to the united states. long term, that is not susta sustainab sustainable. if you are working with the british or our ether oueuropean. if you have information that might suggest an attacker in
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moscow or london, even if you have a difference of opinion about what happened in this case, you cannot sit on that information. if tomorrow the british uncover information that suggest an e-mail uncovered in the case and that may have a link to the united states. if there is a disagreement, you have to pass that threat. >> leaks need to be qualified, david gregory. we are dealing with the situation right now in the united states where the american people would not know about what's going on with michael flynn if it hadn't been for leaks. a really good chance -- hindsight is 20/20. there is a good chance that michael flynn would be national security adviser if not for the journalism. news is often what the powerful want hidden. it is not all under the umbrella of bad things must be stopped. remember what eric holder did to the media. remember brian fallon.
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now champion of the left. pr guy saying to reporter there is no press protection in the first amendment for your sources. a democrat said it. holder is a democrat. obama was a democrat. this isn't new. >> it is not new. it will be a tension that continues in the national security matters. it has to be thoughtfully carried out. no question, you have to be able to talk without issues from reporters. how the government may have been compromised. that has to continue for journalism to function properly and the american people. >> even nrybody now is jumping the band wagon. we don't know if michael flynn did all that. it is not proven. let's talk about other great reporting. karoun's in the washington post.
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karoun, you found out some of jim comey's decision making when he went public last summer to talk about the conclusions that he had drawn of the hillary clinton e-mail case which was highly unorthodox could have been based on a bogus intel that perhaps the russians planted. >> sure. we learned in late april from a profile of jim comey that part of his decision making in stepping forward in early july and not letting loretta lynch tell the public the clinton e-mail probe was closed was based on the tar mamac meeting h bill clinton. we discovered it was citing an e-mail between debbie wasserman
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schultz. she is talking to a member of the clinton campaign and don't worry. it won't get too close. nobody is all that e-mail. the fbi knew as early as august that the reliability of that document was unreliable. the questions are did the fbi make its decisions based on a document that they discovered was unreliable at best and potentially even fake. or are they explaining a decision based on a document that is unreliable or fake? in both cases, it is troubling in one case perhaps one was unreliable intelligence and might have been fabricated by russian sources could have sway the decision making in the fbi or it is being relied on now when they know it is not something that can be relied on. >> the spider web of russian
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rushds y russian officials and the trump administration. the justice department says attorney general jeff sessions did not disclose meetings with the russian ambassador last year on his security clearance forms. cnn's joe johns live in washington. this comes down to, joe, who do you want to believe? sessions said they were told by legal experts they did not need to disclose the meetings. that is one interpretation. >> reporter: that is absolutely right. his critics say he should have known better under the circumstances. the attorney general's office said he was advised listing senate contacts on the security clearance forms. that may be the end of the story but for the investigation and the ag's previous failure to disclose russian contacts. jeff sessions understand again
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under scrutiny. this time for not disclosing meetings he had with the russian ambassador when he an applied for a security clearance. the justice department saying he was instructed by the fbi employee he did not need to disclose the meetings. >> because i think the intention scrutiny that he knew he was going to go under oversharing is probably better than undersharing. >> reporter: sessions failed to disclose the contacts during the senate confirmation hearing. >> i have been called a surrogate a time or two in the campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. >> reporter: that sparking criticism resulting in the recu recuseal over the investigation. and alleging sessions has displayed a troubling pattern of behavior that demands careful review.
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jared kushner and michael flynn submitted incomplete security forms. flynn failing to properly disclose payments linked to russia. the house intelligence committee now prepared to subpoena flynn related to documents for actions with the russians after he refused to cooperate with previous senate intel requests. >> it is my hope we will subpoena shortly both his testimony and documents and businesses to make sure we use every avenue possible to get the information on our investigation. >> reporter: this after cnn reported that u.s. intelligence officials intercepted russian conversations detailing of how they use the relationship with flynn to influence trump and his team. the new york times adding that russian officials targeted paul manafort. former campaign manager in discussions. all of this as former fbi director james comey failed to turnover memos documents interactions with president trump to the house oversight
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committee by the deadline. including a memo allegedly showing the president attempted to influence comey. >> nobody as seen the documents. we're assuming they are there. i have not seen they are there. i am skeptical. i want to see myself. >> reporter: the former fbi director james comey was scheduled to testify in front of the house oversight committee yesterday, but that hearing was postponed so comey could speak with the special counsel robert mueller first. he is expected to testify before the intelligence committee after memorial day. alisyn. >> we look forward to hearing what that date is. thank you, joe. two of america's closest allies are frustrated by u.s. intelligence leaks. is the u.s. in danger of losing their cooperation? that's next. ♪ ♪
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investigation as a result. israel angered about the classified information that president trump revealed to russian diplomats. we have richard here with us. he is the author of a book "warnings." he warned the bush administration about the al qaeda attack before 9/11. great to see you, richard. >> good to be with you. >> how troubling is it the uk and israel are now concerned about the u.s. not being able to be trusted? >> it is remarkable. they are too close allies. best producers of intelligence in the world. they give it to us on a regular basis. they both have been burned within one week by the united states government. at the same time, the president is talking loosely about the secret location of the submarines off the korean coast. if we get a reputation, the
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administration gets a reputation of a leaking ship on national security issues, we won't get that information anymore. i can tell you from personal experience when you don't get information you need in the counterterrorism business because somebody is holding on to it for whatever reason, people die. >> full disclosure, i leaned on you for years in sophisticated understanding of intelligence and what to do with it. you have taught many times not all leaks are equal. the kinds of information that intel officials want to get out. what we are seeing with the intel community in the u.s. could easily be explained as reaction formation. they are worried about the integrity of government and worried of the democracy. they will start giving information. through what lens do you look at a leak? >> what damage could it do and what would the effect of that be? when you see a picture of a part of a bomb, there's no need for
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us to see that. we don't need to see how they made the bomb. that could be damaging to the investigation. on the other hand, when the president of the united states says to you stop an investigation. you know, that's information the public needs to know. i think you need to say yes, there are leaks within the public interest. when you as a government official make the decision to leak, you are taking on a huge risk and personal responsibility. you have to pay the price if you get exposed. >> this is what we saw with president trump divulging classified information to russian diplomats in the oval office. you know, we heard a lot of people say the president has the complete authority to share classified information. there is a protocol that you go through. you alert the originating source. >> how do we know he did that? because someone in the white house called cia. someone in cia evidently leaked
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it to the washington post. that's the guess. that means it is very rare for cia officers to leak information. that means they are very alarmed about the kind of conduct they are seeing from the west wing. >> so, the book. those who predict negative outcomes in the future. why is it a precious commodity? why is it? >> cassandra could see the future accurately. the curse was no one believed her. we have gone back in seven cases ad looked at disasters. in a variety of fields. intelligence and engineering. in all of the cases, there was an expert who said what would happen and was ignored. so what we say in the book is how can we tell when we're t
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executive and how can we tell when someone comes into the room with their hair on fire whether they are chicken little or cassandr isn't that corre cassandra? >> what's the answer? >> there are things that happen in every case. if the thing you are warning about has never happened before, people will not believe it. if the thing you are warning about has been a hollywood movie, asteroids coming to the earth. biological weapons killing everybody. that sort of thing. it is outlandish in the eyes of the decision maker. they have seen that. that was hollywood. that was science fiction. >> it is so relevant from what we some in the political culture. trut truth has been political. and that is a big point for you.
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>> exactly. all of our cassandras. all of the case studies said the same thing and they didn't know each other and they were in different fields. they said i have the data. i hope i'm wrong. look at my data. tell me what's wrong with the data. they are all about facts. increasingly, in washington, facts don't matter. >> yes, we have seen that. that is a terrible development. thank you richard for being here. it is great to talk to you. great to talk to you. >> always a pleasure. the gop healthcare reform plan which passed in the house has now been scored. what does this mean for the republican effort to overhaul obamacare? those in favor of the plan will have to answer for the score. we will ask the chair of the house health committee how he believes this is good for the american people and which
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the politician tell another one. let's get into it. republican congress member michael burgess is the chairman of the health and sub committee on health and also a medical doctor. congress member, always good to have you. bernie sanders from vermont. stiff criticism of the bill as confirmed by the cbo. here is what he said. i want to give you a chance to respond. >> we can call this legislation whatever we want. you can call it a destroy health care bill. you can call it a tax break for the rich bill. we should not call it a health care bill. >> your take? >> well, no surprise. i disagree with the distinguished senator from vermont. chris, let's look at some important things here. the premiums as reported by the cbo score do decrease 4% to 30% depending on calculations.
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that is significant because in the first three years the affordable care act in place, the department of health and human services released figures the average premium increase was 107%. in some cases, it tripled. this is what is depriving people of insurance coverage. from a physician perspective, i care about the access to care than the access to coverage. coverage is important. it is important part of the equation. i'm concerned about the people who have coverage who find deductibles are so high, they don't use their coverage. they don't use insurance. they postpone care because the policies they have essentially don't work for them. it is the whole idea. try to bring policies and people together and try to bring care and people together and this is one more step in the process. here is a very important point that people conveniently forget. this is not the end of the
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story. of course, the senate side of the story. we can talk about that as well. even after the bill is signed into law, it doesn't stop things. things will continue. they will have sub committee and we consider lots of legislation. we are working on a big fda bill. we did a markup in committee last week. we will do another markup in full committee next week. we will have that continually through this year and next year. i would wager some time. a lot of people are concerned i did not repeal enough of obamacare. left the independent advisory payment is still on the books. i expect we will have bipartisan support for that. there are a number of things ahead of us that we can work on together. this is just one more step in the process. i, for one, am so grateful that the folks in the senate.
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all of the senator whos who sai they are smarter than the house guys. god bless them. get to work. >> you have a different dynamic in the senate. they have to be sensitive with a lot of poor people who need medicaid expansion who will be pushed off by the state or financial reality. may be more sensitive. >> may i speak to that? that was part of the issue as we had the bill in our committee back in march, if you remember that. one of the charges to us was you have 19 republican senators who are in states with expanded medicaid. the expanded bill from 2015 was felt to not be fair enough to those states. we worked very hard on trying to make that fair as well as fair to states like mine, but did not expand medicaid. >> as you know, expansion and not expanding was one factor that crud up tscrewed up the ac.
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if you look at the markets where you had premium spikes, very often not taking the medicaid expansion caused a problem. it is a little convenient to say premiums are going up, but not discuss why. i want to talk about this document as a doctor. you say you are a doctor. i don't understand. help me. how can you look at this bill and the cbo score and say as a doctor you feel good that people are going to have more access. you have to know that less people will have access and these premium reductions that you are trumpeting goes to those who make more money. the less money you make, the less of a premium bump you get and the less likely your premium. we are not even talking about the pre-existing condition yet. >> the people in the market right now are pushed out by the
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increasing premium. >> income is relevant. the more money you make, the better off you will be with this bill. i'm not saying that it is right or wrong. as a doctor, the less money you have, the less chance you will save money with this bill. does that sound right to you in terms of your oath as a doctor to give care to the needy? >> look, the problems that exist in our health care system are never and will never been fixed by a single bill. that was one of the false premises of obamacare. it would fix everything. we had nothing to change after it passed. >> this is supposed to be the fix. context matters. >> this is the first step of a multistep process. >> what is better? if it is better for me, if i didn't get my health care through cnn, thank god they have a great benefit package. i make a lot of money. i would be okay. i like you will not make businesses provide care. it will help my friends.
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that's great. if i'm struggling and on the margins, there is a better chance that my premiums will stay flat or go up. there's a chance if i'm on medicaid that i will lose my care under this bill. a good chance if i have a pre-existing condition, i'm priced out of coverage. how does that make it better? >> you asked a number of questions. since you alluded to your personal situation. i purchased insurance on healthcare.gov. i had account. it end with went away. as a congress, i speak to people in the same situation, they feel if they don't have coverage. why do i have to pay these expensive premiums when i have an insurance policy i can't use? those people need to have some
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consideration. on the medicaid side, there will be a tax credit that will be available to help people purchase insurance. one of the big problems in the affordable care act, every time a premium goes up, someone has to pay. if you earn below 138% poverty level or 104% poverty level. that cost is on you. with the text credit that is available after 2020 that becomes moderated for people not covered by subsidy. the biggest thing for me is the individual mandate. how in the world can the federal government mandate you purchase something? >> the supreme court ruled on that. this is a broader conversation to have. it is a good start. we will have plenty of time to talk about the particulars. i appreciate you coming on as a doctor and lawmaker. you are fundamental to the
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