is often these exact things that can help us lift our souls in moments of despair. go to cnn.com/fareed and watch this expertly read poem in full. thanks for being part of my program. i will see you next week. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it's time for "reliable sources" our weekly look at the stories behind the story. how the media really work. how the news gets made. and there's lots happening in media this weekend. a relaxing memorial day weekend for many of you. president trump just back from his first international trip is having a busy morning, doing what he appears to enjoy most, bashing the media. maybe it's pent-up frustration after a quiet week on social media and avoiding reporters. this morning's twitter tirade ranges from leaks to the montana

election. here's a sampling, it's my opinion that many of the leaks coming out of the white house are fabricated lies made up by the fake news media. and this, when you see the words sources say in the fake news media and they don't mention names, it's possible those sources don't exist and will are made up by fake news writers. fake news is the enemy. and this -- does anyone notice how the montana congressional race was such a big deal to demes and fake news until the republican won. v. was poorly covered. that's what the president wrote this morning. let's not forget that the president's lack of a single news conference with reporters on his nine-day trip was unprecedented. the press corps traveling with the president was boxed out. it wasn't just the president. there were no on-camera briefings or access to the major players, one exception. but does the week's lack of accessibility overall reflect a bunker mentality that's setting in. amid the russian investigations

back in d.c. and how will the media cover a president if they can't get to him? i have the perfect panel to ask. joining me now, michael rescu is the former "new york times" washington bureau chief. plenty of experience with this thing. april ryan, the washington bureau chief for the american urban radio networks and political analyst for cnn. michael, let me start we asking you this. in previous presidential trips, the u.s. press was all over the president. and the president was all over the press. and their top aides because they wanted to get this out. were you struck by how different this tone was? >> yeah. we actually hunted around to see if we could find a previous trip by any president of either party and we really couldn't. this is quite unusual. you've devogot to ask if it's serving his interests. it doesn't seem to be serving the public interest in terms of understanding the president's points of view and positions.

the whole administration from tweets to lack of public access to things like press conferences seems to be about trying to keep control of a message that's slipping out of their hands. >> april, we're about data these days. we did data digging to see how this measures up. and cnn producer allison milloy tallied the reaction of the press corps on the trip. there were 25 appearances. many of them pool environments. pool reporters asked five questions. the president answered two questions. no news conferences. how did it break down? the president addressed a question about classified intelligence with a russian in a 12-second sound byte, reflected on his meeting with the pope for 17 seconds for a grand total of 29 seconds of responding to questions over a 9-day trip. what do you make of it? >> this is a president who just does not necessarily care for the president. and you can see that, frank, in

the tweets this morning. this president is trying to figure out how to deal with the press. that's some of what we saw in the last nine days. it's unheard of to go overseas for nine days with the president of the united states and have the press corps there, the first line of questioning an american president and not take formal questions or even, you know, really engage in these q&as during pool sprays. and we understand -- and i know the president doesn't like this p t . but sources close to inside the republican party are saying things like when we start seeing the day-to-day operations back here again, maybe tomorrow -- not tomorrow but tuesday or so after the holiday, they're really trying to figure out how to grapple with the press. they're trying to figure out what sean spicer's role will be. they're trying to figure out what to do with the briefings. they're also dealing with lawyers on issues on how they deliver statements or if they

will deliver statements because they're concerned about issues if it's not accurate. so, frank, they're really trying to come to terms with how the president feels about the press. how they want to move forward. but the question is, what will the public do? because if the public cries out, things can change. >> all right. >> you know -- >> michael, hang out one second. i want to bring in white house correspondent for politico, and cnn political analyst. she's on the ground covering the first international trip. she's currently in italy. i want to ask you this. i traveled with presidents, too. and it's not about making the press feel good here. i said earlier, getting the word out. back to the united states, to try to set the frame for the story here. but also communicating to the world and projecting through that presence a certain leadership. how was this being dealt with on the ground there? and when you were pressing white house officials for more access, what were they saying to you? >> it was actually very

difficult to get access to the white house officials, let alone the president. we were asking questions and they were putting us off until another briefing, another briefing. and truth is, we were trying to get more information. but we had few opportunities. i at one point grabbed gary cohen, the chief economic adviser at a pool event. and i asked him some questions and sent it over to my colleagues and they seemed thankful. i think the thing is that trump really kept his press aides in the dark. i saw in the meeting with e.u. counsel president, donnell tosk, they had their people with them. president trump didn't have a single person with him. the first to get the word out are the european commission and the european council. we waited four hours to get details, not even background, on what went down in the meeting. hours later, the german press broke a story saying that the germans were very bad.

and it was misconstrued in a way and there was translation issues. and i felt like the americans, they didn't really -- they weren't able to use the event to really push their message at home because the foreign officials, they were able to get the message to us first. >> okay. i want to come back to, michael, to you. but i want to come back this way. sara murray asked the top adviser, gary cohen, just mentioned, if he thought it was, quote, bizarre for the president not to take questions on the trip. now, there were no cameras in the room because sean spicer had told everybody to turn the cameras off. there was audio. here's his response. >> he's got a robust schedule. publicly he's put in 16-hour, 18-hour days. privately, put in 20-hour days preparing for those days. he's worked nonstop since he has got here. >> michael, your response? >> this is not about the president's schedule. this president has made a profound and fundamental break

with most of his predecessor, probably all of his predecessors. frank, you and i have been at this for a long time. and presidents of both parties agreed on two things. one is that a free and independent press is a royal pain. and the other is that it's an absolute necessity for a free and independent country. the best statement ever made about this was actually made by a republican president on an international trip. and that was by ronald reagan, when he spoke at moscow state university about the power of american democracy. and he described the importance to freedom in america of the cacophony of independent news organizations. independently owned and independently run. and how that made this a freer country and how it protected the rights of individual americans. this president has decided on a different course. he's trying to stay as far as he can from journalism and from independent news organizations. and he's trying to channel his

message through the tools that he has, such as twitter. >> april, i want to come to you. >> we're going to live with it. >> we have to live with it, right? but the question is, where is this going? and, april, i know you interact with sean spicer at the white house on a daily basis. we're now hearing the white house talk, as you mentioned, about curtailing, cancelling, limiting briefings, rotating people through briefings. what is brewing here? and why? >> yeah. well, frank, as you know, this is not -- and freedom of the press, the first amendment. we are baked into the constitution. but people have to understand, when you talk about freedom of the press, it's not just about us, it's more about you. it's not about us. it's about the american public. we are the first line of questioning of an american president. and with the stakes being so high right now, with investigations, issues of terror around the world, budgets and aca, the wall, so many different things going on, people want to

know what's going on from the highest office in the land. and when you cut off the briefings, when you just tweet, people are not being informed. and what happens is, and i hate to say this, but if you start doing this, what makes us different than russia? or other countries that censor the press and it's state-run? there is a real issue here. it's not about the press. the president doesn't like us. he calls us fake news all day long. that's fine. but the issue is that we're independent and we're independent of the white house. and when you don't give the information, who suffers? the american people because they don't know what's going on from the man they elected. so, that's what's at stake. >> tara, let me come back to you. having been on the trips and knowing that when all white houses try to spin information or put people out on background or whatever -- >> right. >> -- there is almost always the protest, formal or informal, in the room or behind the scenes from the journalists covering the story. were there protests on this trip

to white house officials, to sean spicer, he's still the press secretary, to others, to change access to the traveling party? and what was the formal and informal response? >> absolutely. the white house correspondents association made their case known. if you follow the pool reports, we often made it clear that we would not be getting much access. and we tried to make it clear, as well, to sean spicer. i think a lot of people were really upset when they saw that secretary of state rex tillerson gave a briefing to saudi arabian journalists and american journalists were not invited to that. you saw there wasn't enough access to high-ranking officials. by the end of the day, towards tend of the trip, after they were able to make their case known, we were able to get access to higher ranking officials. but they were going to be bombarded with questions at home. we can't comment about this. we have to talk about the trip. but the issues at home, they

reflected what was happening on the trip. and it was really something that, you know, trump had this robust schedule. he could have made time to talk to the press. this is unprecedented for a president not to talk to the press on his trip. and they would have been more effective at really telling the american people what trump was doing because all they can see are images and all they can read are stories. and they don't hear the president's voice. >> this was less about trying to set the storyline for where they were and as opposed to avoiding the storyline where they had come from. >> exactly. it was exactly about that. >> all right. thank you very much. >> it was a way to ignore it. >> or to try. for the time being anyway. michael, stick around for later in the program. coming up, reporters are used to reading police reports. but filing them? that's another story. journalists literally under assault. when we come back.

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ben jacobs may have never seen the body slam coming. but in the height of journalists, some feared it was a matter of time. it's not an isolated event. earlier this month, a reporter said he was slapped by a state senator. in d.c., a reporter said he was pinned against the wall by security guards as he tried to question the fcc commissioner. and in west virginia, a journalist was arrested after questioning health secretary tom price. journalists can be obnoxious. but is the bar for physical hostility lower now? and if so, what's that mean? joining me now, eric wemple of "the washington post." and the new mark chair for "the boston globe." indi indira, what's going on here? >> it's appalling. we write about and talk about attacks on press freedom all over the world.

i spent 12 years overseas in countries where there are attacks on the press. in china, all over the place, in venezuela. and to have to be talking and writing about this in the united states, where we have a first amendment that, in our constitution, puts in protections against -- you know, attacking the press, is really disturbing to me. and i feel as if president trump's attacks on the media have paved the way for this. >> paved the way? >> paved the way. he has normalized hatred and denigration of the press, calling us the enemy of the people. >> he did in this tweet this morning. >> in the tweet storm this morning. and saying we are the most dishonest people. he has normalized hatred towards journalists. >> what do you do with the enemy? you attack. if someone's the enemy, you attack them. i think that is -- >> are we seeing more of this? people have been frustrated with press and have thrown people out of their offices and done other things in the past. it's not brand-new we're seeing it. >> it seems that we are.

what is, perhaps, even more -- this is chilling and appalling. but what is maybe more chilling and appalling is the level of support, that some of this seems to be getting. if you notice anecdotally a lot of reporters have gotten statements and sentiments from people saying, good job. i support that. there were people who were murmuring when he made the apology to ben jacobs, the night he was elected. some saying suck it, media and people saying good job. they weren't excited he was apologizing for this. some saying apology is not necessary. that sentiment is what underlies it. what we've seen here is that president trump didn't necessarily reach the far extreme of the political sort of benefit that he could reap from hammering the media. i don't know that we've necessarily seen the end. >> i want to go back to you as if we need reminding of some of

the tone that trump set during the campaign. some of the comments were addressed to protesters. here's what he was saying about protesters in the crowd. take a look. >> like to punch them in the face, i'll tell you. part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore. knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. and the audience hit back. and that's what we need, a little more of. >> now, indira, i've covered presidents. i've never heard this kind of overt commentary from the president. never mind what he says about the media. the media needed protection and security when they were covering political rallies. is he going to stop this? >> it doesn't look -- there's no sign he's going to stop this. he knows his base of support are people who respond positively to this rhetoric. what erik was saying, decline and trust in the peress has bee happening for decades. we look at the gallup paolls an

the pew polls, all-time low. when you have a president up there with the biggest bully pulpit going after it, you should go after the press or lock up journalists and using a violent language against people in the audience or the press, you have a problem that normalization of violence is wrong. we're supposed to have civic conversation here. >> no one would defend violence. let me push back for the sake of the argument. >> they might not defend it but they downplay and poo poo it. you watch fox news. >> take another position here. given the low esteem and trust that the media earn in survey after survey these days, it's been happening for years, how about the media doing their jobs differently? how about recognizing there is something to this loss of trust and maybe we shouldn't be so obnoxious? >> well, you know -- >> i'm pushing back on the

obnoxious question. part of it is partisanship. >> let's look at what happened in montana. this was a reporter asking a question about health care. dave waggle pointed out. they never addressed the issue of health care and the ahca, the republican health care proposal. this is what ben jacobs was trying to get him to address. the cbo -- >> he was doing his job, essentially. and it doesn't matter if he's obnoxious and persistent and the candidate doesn't want to talk about it? >> this is misplaced. a reporter doing his job. and gianforte roughs him up and says, i'm sick and tired of this. and the last guy did the same thing, which is asked a question. >> yeah. in my point here is if you are not prepared as someone who is a candidate for public office, to take questions from journalists, then you are doing the wrong thing. you don't belong in capitol hill. >> let me say that despite the devil'sed a r ee's advocate, wrk

called "ask more," that's what journalists do. >> the journalist was not being obnoxious. he was saying, we have a second. quickly, what's your position? >> he was being persistent. that's what journalists do. and that's what public servants, when they get into the public realm should understand they're in for, no? >> yes. i think that's -- that has been a very much a touchstone of our environment. a touchstone of our democracy so far. it seems to be eroding. >> we're going to watch it. erik, indira, thank you very much. we're going to have some more. up in enext, how leaks in t man chester bombing head to on national intelligence imbroegly ya. eople when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving and when we actually do is one of the reasons why too many of us aren't prepared for retirement.

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being boxed out abroad during the president's trip and being body-slammed by a political candidate. but criticism of the media comes from the united kingdom, when details of their investigation of the manchester terror attack were leaked to the press. that was the leak of the suspect's name. information about the bomber's family, warning police prior to the incident. and these photos, showing possible materials from the crime scene, published in "the new york times." president trump ordered a full investigation. british authorities were furious, fearing their investigation had been compromised. and law enforcement officials sh stopped sharing intelligence for a time. the situation led to questions about leaks and the woes of a beleaguered u.s. press. joining me now to discuss this,

bringing back indira and michael oreskes. what's the threshold here and what do you make of this? >> first of all, it's our job to publish. and we would err on the side of getting more information out, notless. howev however, there are many delicate situations where you use care in what you publish. crime scene photos are -- >> how did crime scene photos get published that were not spizspiz supposed to be out there? >> i can't say they should or shouldn't have been published. i don't know if anything in the crime scene photos did compromise the effort to capture the rest of that cell, which is presumably is what the british government was engaged in. but every news organization has very strict rules how we judge these things and how we make these decisions. when i was at the a. pfp., for example, we held a story for

more than a year, that had serious allegations against -- about incompetence and misjudgments at the cia because we were afraid that the story might compromise the lives of certain people involved in the story. so, news organizations are normally very meticulous about that. i assume "the new york times" was meticulous. >> indira, after the 9/11 attacks, cnn said it would be sensitive to releasing any information that could compromise lives or ongoing operations. that's how it was articulated. at the time. is that the basic threshold that is to say compromising lives are ongoing operations with the press agrees, as michael just said, to protect, to hold back on? and if so, do any of these complaints about these leaks seem to violate those parameters? >> i think the standard is exactly that. you don't want to put lives at risk. and you don't want to stop authorities from getting to whoever the perpetrator is.

and i've been the police reporter and the national security reporter. and these are decisions you have to make all the time in conjunction with your editors. but i do think at large, you know, respectable news organizations that have a history of dealing responsibly with these things, like the a.p., like "the new york times," like "the boston globe" and others, this is dealt with in a responsible way? >> were these leaks irresponsible? >> i haven't been on the inside with "the new york times" talking with them about how the decisions were made? i am not ready to criticize them. i would like to see proof from the british government that this impeded their investigation or that some life was at risk. i have written about this. and dana priest, who has won two pulitzer prizes, told me she has come under pressure from authority not to leak things. but give me one case where something that we have written has put a life at risk or has stopped intelligence communications with other countries and nobody can provide

that concrete example. >> michael oreskes, there's a culture of information. here we have a freedom of information act. in the united kingdom, they have the official secrets act. we approach the release of information differently. how large a role do you think that's playing here? >> it's an element of it, i'm almost certain. the situation in the united kingdom is much more secretive than a lot of these kinds of cases. i have to say also, there's a lot of hysterical commentary going on right now. i hope you'll forgive me. i was watching another network this morning and i happened to catch homeland security secretary kelly on. and he was talking about how the leaks bordered on treason. now, that's just way beyond the pale. just silly almost, although it's very chilling. treason is a very serious and very specific offense. and it's a capital crime. i think we have professionals. professional journalists,

professional people in law enforcement and professional people in intelligence. each with their own need and their own service, all of whom believe they are serving the public interest. and the inability to talk with each other and discuss what the right solutions are is helping to create these situations and making it harder to bridge these cultural gaps. >> i want to point something out that the public should understand. and that is just to the point that you're making, michael, that in most cases, there are an ongoing and active dialogue between executives in news organizations and top officials in government, where these issues, these very issues get talked out. often, they're not agreed to. but where government officials can bring their concerns to media companies and say, look. here's what would happen if you release this and make that case. but i want to turn, now, to a related issue. and this is something else that makes coverage of this story very difficult. and that is the quantity of coverage on the manchester bombing and the acts of terrorism in the u.s. media. indira, in your column, you wrote the entitled enless loop

of victims laze save journalist that lets isis run the newsroom. you said sot pretty pointed stuff. >> to the last point you were making about leaks, a lot of newspapers and news organizations show very careful restraint. like "the washington post," for example, put a photograph this their story last week saying we are withholden the name of the city in which this isis plot took place. there's a danger of the pot calling the kettle block. trump wanted to go to journalists when he is not careful with classified information, as we know from that meeting in the oval office with the russians. my point was, i have been a journalist who has covered terrorism for years and years. since the 9/11 attacks. i was in pakistan on september 12th and when the taliban fell in kandahar. the problem with terrorism coverage is we get into this lazy pattern, where we take the cell phone footage of the victims running and screaming

and it gets played over and over in this endless loop on cable television. i understand cable television has 24 hours a day to fill. and so, they have to use footage. but there is a way in which how are we advancing what the public needs to know? what are we doing that is actually adding to the conversation, other than giving isis and other terrorist organizations what they want? which is a platform and notoriety and fame and it is a way that it has been proven this helps them recruit. >> but it is news, right? >> it is absolutely news. >> and cable news does cover news by the moment. >> it does. but there's better ways to do it. >> michael, how do you do it at npr? >> npr has many of the same challenges you have at cnn and fox, that we're on all the time. one of the important things is, to slow yourself down. take a breath and make sure something you have to say is

something new and something that adds to the context or understanding to the light, not the heat. >> i like that. slowing yourself down and taking a breath. that could be advice that we all should follow. >> we can all use. >> and very much in the news business. thank you both very much. michael, by the way, happy holiday birthday to you. i understand you're celebrating a little bit. >> thank you. >> take five. thanks much to both of you. a rare retraction at fox news. but not from shawn hean hannity. the effect of competing narratives on the network's credibility issues when we come back. a world that doesn't exist outside you... ...but within you. where breakthrough science is replacing chemotherapy with immunotherapy. where we can now attack the causes of disease, not just the symptoms. where medicines once produced for all,

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welcome back to "reliable sour sources." fox news is facing big issues right now, including one with network superstar sean hannity, who is currently on vacation until tuesday. the vacation comes after a number of advertisers pulled support from his show after he continued to focus on the unproven story of slain former dnc staffer seth rich.

fox news exists that hannity will have a job when he returns. we've heard that one before. joining me to consider it all, erik wemple, reporter for "the washington post." jane hall professor at american university. erik, first, to you. i'm using your towardwords, fox developing an unhealthy relationship with vacation. sean hannity is under pressure from media critics after he promoted a conspiracy about the july 2016 killing of seth rich, a staffer at the democratic national committee. how does it affect hannity now? >> well, bill o'reilly was supposed to have gone on vacation back in april. and he was in the middle of a -- not a similar but -- he was in the middle of a more severe advertiser problem. and he never came back. and so, when jesse waters said something stupid on fox news air after that and he went on

vacation, people said, oh, maybe he won't come back. hannity, after airing the seth rich conspiracy theory over and over and over again, and he's under pressure from advertisers, now, too, he's going on vacation. now, fox news put out a statement saying he is actually on vacation. he will be back tuesday. >> it is memorial day weekend. >> it is memorial day weekend. enjoy your vacation, sean hannity. the point i was making was fox news can never have a controversy and a vacation. and vacation is there to make us feel better, restore us. and they don't have that relationship. >> jane, you are a contributor at fox. you never took a vacation, as i understand it. >> never. never. >> is there any indication that sean hannity is in trouble for this? >> he hasn't suffered the advertiser boycotts. media matters have been listing his advertisers in an attempt to drive people away. i think, you know, because he is the last man standing, practically, in the original primetime lineup, you know, it would seem to me that they do not want to lose him.

>> any suggestion that this is tied to his vociferous support of donald trump? >> well, he has been the safe haven for droonald trump. >> is that a liability for him? >> i don't think so. they have a split between the news -- it was always there between the newscast and the primetime hosts. what i think is regrettable is that while trump is doubling down on many things, about fake news, sean hannity says i'm not a journalist. and he makes this despicable connection and repeats this thing that the fox news.com retracted. he continues to talk about it. so, maybe they're going to have a thing where he doesn't talk about it anymore on the air. but he's going to talk about it all over twitter. >> erik, here's what fox said in their retraction. the article was not subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all of our reporting. the article was found not to meet the standards and is removed. >> right. those are the standards of the

news side. it should be noted they leaft i up for a week. so those exacting editorial standards could use some help. however, hannity has none. he has none. he told michael calderon, when he finally did drop the seth rich story the other night, saying i'm going to leave it, he said that was entirely his decision, which indicates to me that he has no editorial supervision, none whatsoever. my point is, i'm not that high on boycotts. i'm not a huge boycott fan. but that's what happened. these people are editing sean hannity because nobody else is. >> i would doubt he wasn't spoken to. you know, we also have this interesting younger/older murdoc murdochs, what do they want? i think he was spoken to. i would imagine the family threatened legal action. he went on the air. the thing that really seemed so offensive was i really sympathize with the family about seth, as if he knew seth rich. and i'm going to leave this for

now. and i'm going to keep pursuing the truth. >> for now. >> he is pursuing this conspiracy theory. >> meanwhile, seeing some decline in the ratings. there's lots of issues going on at fox. erik, jane, thank you both very much. coming up, the view from abroad. how the trump trip was covered by the overseas press, when we come back. america's beverage companies have come together to bring you more ways to help reduce calories from sugar. with more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all, smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels, and signs reminding everyone to think balance before choosing their beverages. we know you care about reducing the sugar in your family's diet, and we're working to support your efforts. more beverage choices. smaller portions. less sugar. balanceus.org.

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welcome back to "reliable sources." we're very familiar with the u.s. press and how it reacted to president trump during his first trip abroad as commander in chief. what about the international press? how did this story play globally? if the headlines are any indication, it's been something of a mixed bag. this "times of israel" headline noted trump's push for shared worries over iran. from a german paper, trump's white house, a vortex of scandal, chaos, and absurdity.

the uk's "independent" noted that g7 leaders blame u.s. for failure to reach climate change agreement in unusually frank statement. but the arab news circulated a special english edition calling the first lady elegantly respectful while israel's paper noted the awkward moments of the trip with melania's slap-down. joining me now to discuss the international reaction is a reporter at the bbc covering international affairs. you've been surveying the landscape, the european reaction and the arab world. what strikes you? >> the contrast between how the trip was covered in the arab world and how it was covered by european media. >> such as? >> in the arab world, the coverage you got there as you said was much more positive, much more praiseful of both trump and the first lady. they were very happy to see the back of president obama so very

clear to welcome the united states. >> play down the scandals. >> absolutely. you saw the reception he got. in a way when the president said i had a very successful trip he's thinking of those headlines. but if you read the german newspaper, the headline is quite different. it says it's time to get rid of donald trump. >> time to get rid of donald trump? that's a headline? >> that's the headline of an op-ed in the german magazine. trump has transformed the united states into a laughingstock and he is a danger to the world. he must be removed from the white house before things get even worse. who'd have thought that you get the european media practically calling for regime change in the united states? >> were there particular issues that took place on this trip that prompted that kind of response or are they just picking up on the general atmosphe atmosphere? >> they're picking up a lot on what the u.s. media picked up, the awkwardness of the interaction between donald trump and angela merkel but also president of france, emmanuel macron. the little shove aside that he performed with one of the fellow

nato leaders at the nato summit. >> take his place in the pho photo-op line. get in the front line. >> to get to the front line. the fact that the u.s., the european media, they don't know what to make of donald trump. they're trying to adjust. this op-ed in the magazine reminded me of their many covers since donald trump was elected and their first cover of the tay after the election in november was "the end of the world" with the head of donald trump racing towards the globe as an asteroid. >> is there anybody in the european press who said it's about time an american president came over here and handed it to us and told us to pay our fair share in nato? >> there was some of that of course because european leaders also realize they do need to pay their fair share when it comes to nato. they didn't quite appreciate the fact he was heck chlecturing eu leaders right next to them. the french newspaper picked up on that. why is he lecturing us, his allies and not lecturing, you

know, others? it should be equal criticism. >> overall, would you say the press saw this trip as a comma in a long sentence or as a sort of exclamation point on this kind of magazine thing? >> i think thes preand europe in general is worried about how this relationship will unfold. but keep in mind that america is still a superpower. they'll have toig fur you know what how to work with the united states. we've heard angela merkel today said that the europeans should realize this is no long a time when we're all in it together, that europe needs to work harder to in essence make its own fate. but there are leaders who would also look for opportunities to assert themselves like emanuel macron of france who sees perhaps an opportunity to be the bridge between mr. trump and angela merkel. >> we'll be watching and reading and listening. up next, a very happy addition to the "reliable sources" family. that in just a minute. where, in all of this,

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so here's what presidential trips are all about -- red carpets, banquets and toasts, one-on-one meets, talks with allies on big issues, and, yes, lots of reporters and cameras so the story gets told around the world. but this most unconventional president would with no experience in politics or diplomat si, excuse me, sorry, before the election, travelled just as investigations heated up. and on this trip, president trump may have shoved his way to the front of the picture, but he went to the back of the line in shaping the story. no news conferences. the white house kept the president away from open mikes. spontaneous q&a, troublesome tweets. sean spicer was sidelined. but a white house lockdown is likely to prove counterproductive. the media coverage the president derives yet demands will happen with or without him. and the issues that need a steady hand and a credible presidential bully pulpit -- health care, tax reform, the

economy, terrorism, trade, nuclear threats, climate change and on and on -- will suffer. what should the media do? ask questions. demand access. and engage the public. explain to readers and viewers and listeners alike that god forbid this not about circulation and clicks and ratings but about information the public needs and deserves. explain that access matters, that journalism is about demanding answers and holding the powerful to account. that you go on these trips and show up every day to report events that you can verify and explain and you are held to account if you get it wrong. if donald trump's hunker in the bunker strategy is to bring discipline and credibility to the white house communications team, maybe it will help him. but if it's a prelude to a war room strategy or to further restrict access and information and attack the messenger it will only add to the appearance of a white house under siege on the d defensive, paralyzed by scandal and hostile to accountability.

muddying the waters of the swamp donald trump promised to drain. but we end on an inspiring note, and no better way to celebrate the holiday weekend than a sunny ray as in sunny ray stelter, the newest member of the "reliable sources" family. sunny ray, mom jamie and proud dad brian are all doing great. a truly reliable source of happiness has arrived. good luck to you all. enjoy life's most amazing adventure. that is it for "reliable sources." "state of the union" starts right now. close to home. president trump's son-in-law jared kushner now a focus of the russia investigation after reports he tried to set up a secret back channel with the russians. just how far does trump's loyalty go?