precision, precision in her words to make sure that we, that i got it right. that's what journalists do, that is what kate is. thank you, kate and we will miss you. "cnn with don lemon" starts now. not a good week to be president. this is cnn tonight, this is don lemon. all quiet at the white house at the end of what can only be described as another week of cha chaos. the president under fire for quitting the climbed accord, meanwhile, there's vladimir putin's suggestion that patriotic russians may have hacked our election. and you ain't seen nothing yet. next week the james comey's senate testimony. a lot to discuss tonight and here to help us, dan rather, the host of axis testiv.

james comey was asked whether the president pressured him to drop the investigation in to michael flynn, he will be asked that. so, how do you think the showdown will go? >> i think it will be one of the most explosive moments of the trump presidency so far and that is saying a lot. one note, it's possible that he will be put back. this will be postponed. the white house is working, as you know, trying to claim executive privilege to stop him. and then, also, the special prosecutor, mr. mueller, his investigation is metastisizing so quickly. there's a possibility of one or two things. he can ask fbi director's testimony or to truncate what he may be saying. either of those two weeks could happen. >> this all can and probably will change by the time the day comes that he will testify, you

think. do you think it will be better, since you mentioned the president asking for executive privilege, is it better to block him or let him do it? because if they -- the optics of blocking him may be worse than him testifying. >> well, there's no good answer for that question to president trump. either way it goes, he is going to have big trouble. look, it doesn't take anybody out of elementary school that president trump's presidency is in a heap of trouble. today, these events and bombshells keep cascading. it's been 24 hours at most since the president said he is not going to abide by the paris accord and then you have a developing story today that the special prosecutor is widening the investigation. the russian banker close to putin who met with the president's son in law tells one story of what the meeting is about, and the other is telling

another story. one of them is not telling the truth. the difference between now and watergate, and the mid '70s and richard nixon, we thought things were moving fast then. if we had a bombshell in a week or ten days, things were moving quickly. that rolled over a two year period. this is all rolling out in a matter of days. every day, there's not one, but two or three new developments. and that tells you inside the white house that no matter what the appearance on the outside looking in is, there's chaos inside. and there's also a big split, different people and different views of what the president could do, should do, to get out of it. >> let's talk about that. you know, they are putting on a good face or they are not talking about it. sean spicer saying you have to talk to the president's lawyer. the new york times, interviewed the president a number of times said she thinks the president is looking forward to the spectacle of it or the show of it so to speak. what do you make of it?

and do you believe it? >> this person has a lot of experience, so i listen carefully when that kind of talk gets out. i think on the one hand because he is a showman, he is a great showman, he loaves a spectacle and a show and a kind of television circus atmosphere. i can see why they would say that is great. trump's name is up there. on the other side, what the former fbi director has to say cannot be good news for him. >> yeah, maybe you ever wonder if he understands that maybe there's no cluollusion in the w that he thinks of collusion, right? but it's often the cover-up of or not being forthcoming with things. >> at this leve the presidential level, it's nearly ways the cover up and if president trump gets in much deeper trouble, and that's an if, we don't have the facts and one of the things we really need are the facts. >> exactly. >> if it turns out that he did not know or that it was not outright collusion, then

everything pivots around that. but that's not the way to vette it, when you have this many people doing this many things in secret and he will thing this many stories, you have to believe there's law breaking. >> you cannot be for sure what everyone has said. >> you cannot be sure and with the president pulling out of the paris accord, it pushed back on a second page. but this is momentous. >> can we talk about hacking? vladimir put incommented today. listen to this. >> a three-year-old can perpetrate such an attack and they present it like this. they can pass it off like this and these specialists can invent anything and then they will blame someone else. these are not proofs. these are trying shirk

responsibility. >> so, i mean, just yesterday putin said so-called patriotic hacker k esers could have medal the election. what do you think? >> i think it's a widespread belief. second, i want to make clear, it's not my opinion. but i'm convinced that people think vladimir putin is as trustworthy as a dog with a roast beef sandwich and they will not believe anything he has to say. in a special prosecutor is left alone to do his job long enough, we will eventually find out. >> as you said, we need to find out of the facts right now. >> yeah, exactly. there's so many different stories being told. that's why i think that talk about obstruction of justice or perjury, somewhere in the mess, you have to believe that there's some of that, because you have too many people telling too many different stories. and that raises the question, well, what is it that the trump

administration has to hide? if you didn't have anything to hide, he would be coming on and saying, listen, i want all the people to come out publically and talk about the meetings and i want to tell you what i know about it. that's not what he is doing. >> that's not what anybody is doing. now let's talk climate change and the paris accord, he visited europe last week and then had the announcement yesterday. you wrote on facebook that while president trump cozies up to vladimir putin, he is creating avoid on the international stage with his america first policy. explain that. >> well, i think it's clear. first of all, when your only allies, the only people standing with you are syria and nicaragua. >> nicaragua wanted more. >> what he is at risk of doing as a person with his presidency and our beloved united states of america is appearing to be

yesterday's man and yesterday's country. like some of those people that still like disc. on, they were stuck back in the 70s, or the men who wear beltless slacks, it's yesterday's stuff. now the united states of america has been always seen as going forward, progressive, always moving forward. now, under president trump and with this is sole act, he said to the world, you know what? we are yesterday's country and i'm yesterday's man. >> i need to, because i'm wearing beltless slacks right now and listening to disco on my run earlier. they are not double knit, i think i'm good. i want to ask you about, here's something you wrote in the facebook page calling it a wreckless and intemperate action. why do you say it's a blow to america standing on the world stage again? because we set the example? >> not only world opinion, american public opinion favors the paris accords, i do think

it's wreckless and that goes in to another conversation about what is going on in the white house with president trump himself. i think it was a matter of anger on his part. this happens to presidents when the pressure gets on that trump has, and you can argue that nopresideno president had that kind of pressure. when president nixon had the feeling that he is angry and outraged and he cannot control things he got mean as a wolverine and there's some of that with president trump happening now. i think it's one of the reasons he pulled out of the paris accord. he does not like what the leader of paris and germany says. he thinks they are slightly elite and he is angry about it and angry, enraged, bewildered president, running a chaotic

white house is not just bad for his presidency, it's really bad for the country. >> and bad for the world in this case, pulling out. >> amen. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> always great to see you, mr. rather. did president trump try to drop sanctions against russia? and putin gets testy when pressed about hacking, we will bring that to you next. ready, go. ahhhhhhhh! shake! shake! shake! shake! shake! done! you gotta shake it! i shake it! glad i had a v8. the original way to fuel your day. as after a dvt blood clot,ital i sure had a lot to think about. what about the people i care about? ...including this little girl. and what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital, but wondered, was this the best treatment for me? so i asked my doctor. and he recommended eliquis. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots and reduces the risk of them happening again.

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vladimir putin on accusations that russia medaled in the elections. >> it's easy to say, it's not our fault, it the russians, they interfered, it's like the jews are to blame. you are an idiot because the jews are to blame. >> what do you make of the strange compare on putin's continued denial that his government was involved? >> this is a case where the joke went too far. it was funny in the beginning, month -- in the beginning, mosccow ws enjoying it, and now, it's starting to really have blow-back on them. they had hoped at least since trump won that they would see a warming of relations, but now, they are looking ahead to possibly toe y four years of th administration under investigation, defending itself,

with very little chance of some of the warmth and cooperation that they were hoping for. so, is he getting annoyed? he is getting a taste of what sean spicer and trump officials have been getting for the past several months and w tu turnabout is fair play. >> michael, i'm gd you ar here, you are reporting, as i understand for yahoo news, that was there was a behind the scenes effort to drop the sanctions against russia. the state official you spoke with was on cnn earlier today. take a look. >> without the russians doing anything, as a free gift struck me, strikes me now as a bad, bad idea. my colleagues were concerned about this, and so was i at the time. what i was reacting to was simply a rumor that some people in the new -- in the incoming administration were going to make a very bad decision. >> so, michael, he also told cnn

off camera that he heard things were in the works about relaxing sanctions but didn't know if it was true. what can you tell us about this administration's efforts to ease sanctions with russia? >> what we know is that in those first couple of weeks, there were taskings to state department officials to develop proposals for easing of tensions with russia in exchange for itself cooperation in fighting against isis in syria, and that the steps that were called for in terms of easing tensions would include or at least would be considered for inclusion the lifting of sanctions the easing of sanctions and possibly the return of those diplomatic compounds that had been shut down by president obama in its last couple of weeks. >> kim, our correspondent in russia confronted the russian

bank chairman with questions of why he had a secreteeting with the president's son-in-law, jarod kushner, here is how that went. >> quick question, what did you really speak to jarod kushner about when you met him in december in new york? >> no comment. >> did you talk about sanctions? >> no comments. >> what was discussed the white house said it was a diplomatic meeting and that kushner met you as part of the transition team, your bank said it was a business meeting. >> thank you so much, sorry. >> were you a conduit to the kremlin? >> so, no comment, kim, why can't we just get a straight answer of what was discussed at the meeting? >> because it probably veered all over the map. maybe it was a little bit about jarod kushner's business dealings in russia and maybe a bit about what would happen with the up coming white house hopes for the future. you know, the more we watch this

play out, this drama that keeps unfolding the more i think, the worst thing that could happen for all sides is if there's no evidence of either wrong-doing or nothing that can exonerate either side. so, what is not clear is why was the trump administration, its campaign members more almost anybody else in at least, on the foreign side of things? felt embattled, they had already been doing business with some russian businessmen, so it was just a natural fit. but at this point, we don't have anything that says collusion, but we don't have a good explanation of where was this loyalty here and why were they leaning so far forward in to the relationship? >> another development, michael, we know the house intelligence committee chairman, he is concerned about the unmasking of

american's in classified reports. well the washington post is reporting that his committee engaged really in the same practice late last year and it's something that president trump has accused of the obama administration of abusing. it seems there's a whole lot of or at least some hypocracy here. >> yes, the whole unmasking issue is murky, and what is driving nunez and some of the other republicans on this, as we have known from everyone that we have spoken to, current and former administrations, republicans and democrats, it is not all that unusual for a senior intelligence official, foreign policy officials to request unmasking, to understand who, what u.s. persons are having conversations with people of -- that are under, that are being monitored by the u.s. government. >> as it relates to the russian investigation, can we call it what it is, a deflection and

that maybe investigation needs to be before unmasking, when it comes to this, it's not the same thing. >> right. the point is unmasking in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with it. it is perfectly per missable, what would berong is if somebody after -- reques an unmasking for political reasons and then discloses the identity of americans. now, it's conceivable that it did happen here. after all, michael flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador were disclosed, his identity was disclosed, somebody may ultimately be charged with a crime for leaking that, but we have no evidence that anybody, senior in the obama administration or anybody who was accused of doing this unmasking was party to that. we just have to reserve judgment let the fbi do whatever investigations they are doing and we will see. >> my point is, and you are right, that could have indeed

happened, but can't they keep the two investigations separate as to not mercuurk up the water when it comes to this? >> sure, they should have. there's some people on the house intelligence committee that believe it's a legitimate issue and if there was unmasking for political purposes and leaking that would be wrong. it's a totally legitimate thing to investigate. but it does not in any way take away from the severity of the issues being investigated in terms of russia and potential clu collusio >> tnk you for your time. when we come back, more on james comey's testimony next week and will the president try to shut him sdpodown and would it even ? and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business

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former fbi director james comey is set to testify before a senate committee next week, about the russia investigation, but the question, will president trump try to stop him. today, white house aids dodged a

direct question. >> is the president going to invoke executive privilege? >> that committee hearing was just noticed and i think obviously its has to be reviewed. >> so that's not a no. >> no, i'm just saying -- literally, my understanding is the date for the hearing was just set. i have not spoken to council yet. >> so the president is not evoking executive privilege? >> the president will make that decision. >> good evening to all of you, a lot of reading between the lines when it comes to the spokes people for this particular administration, but laura, let's start with you, let's talk about kelly ann conway, they will n le out that president trump will evoke executive privilege to block comy from testifying. talk about what executive privilege works and what it covers, please?

>> theshy should rule it out, i is to say, we want the advisers and people who work for the president to be candid, therefore we preserve the secrecy about their conversation, however, it's not an absence lutd privilege and frankly it does not apply when there's a hint of government misconduct. and more importantly, it has no teeth to it, don. if you are pra private citizen d no longer a member of the executive branch. comey is now a private citizen cannot have a threat to be fired if he violates it, all you have is a toothless threat that does not have a right to be invoked. >> you think he can still invoke executive privilege with respect to communications with former employees of the executive branch which was comey. i think he fails in this case probably because he waved

privilege with his interviews and with his tweets. but i don't think that the fact that comey who probably has a first amendment right to the of is no lonr with the administration for closes thepresident fro asserting the privilege. the privilege goes to the president not comey. i don't disagree with lawyura. in principal they lose in congress and they lose with respect to muller if he wants the same testimony because of the low enforcement override. >> and i agree. the other thing about executive privilege is, it applies to the things that refer to your constitutional duties aspresident of the united states. we are talking about things that happened before he took office. therefore it's a question whether executive privilege applies in this circumstance at all. >> if you look historically, president obama tried to assert executive privilege with fast and furious investigation. he lost. president bush tried to assert it with respect to the firing of the u.s. attorneys, he lost.

you lose these things because that over riding interest in the right of people to know, and when there's a law enforcement interest, generally no pun intendsed, trumps the desire of the president to keep things secret. >> from a political perspective, what outcome is worse for the president, comey delivering damning testimony or blocking it? >> he is not going to block it. this is absurd that he could talk about director comey with a russian ambassador and say all sorts of things to the russian ambassador and somehow, he can prevent mr. comey from testifying in front of the united states congress about what the president said to him? that's absolutely absurd, the president has been giving interviews on it and tweeting on it. there's no executive privilege on any of this. and furthermore, the fact that mr. comey is a former employee

is relevant, he is going to go in there and say what he wants to say and i don't think that the president is going to be able to get a federal judge to enjoin director former director comey from testifying. >> you are sure he is not going to block it you said he is not going to block it? why are you sure about that? >> i don't see how he can do it. i don't see h you could do it. i think he could try to have the line of questioning disallowed, it's go withi i-- it's going to disaster for the republican party. as a practical matter, i don't think that the president can block it. he has been talking to the russians about comey, to say that comey could not talk to the u.s. government about what happened and about whether the president was trying to block the investigation, that is something the congress has the right to know. and there's no executive

privilege for cover-ups and no executive privilege for cover-ups and collaboration with foreign spies. this makes though sense. >> laura let's talk more about it. thousands of tweets. michael mentioned the twieets o president trump's twitter page saying that michael flynn should seek ummuni -- seek immunity, how important are those tweets to the investigation? >> it gives clues to the investigation to say, what was the motive or the intention you had behind the acts that you took. remember, we hardly had any cases of low hanging fruit where you had the smoking gun and someone said, this is what i did, this is why i did it. and here was my thnefarious intent, and here is why i did the wrong things. no, you get clues that give you an indication that is what was behind the motivation. so it will be used against him,

um su i'm sure, in the investigation to further the investigation along. it will be used against him if he has a hearing about it. it will come in to play. it's a situation where perhaps being silent would have been the most pro active and prudent to have done. >> right. and in addition to that, laura, the point of this all is that it shows the specific intent that the prosecutor has to prove. the president has to have an intent to obstruct the administration of justice. and all of these comments that he makes proves his state of mind so a prosecutor would argue, and that gives the context that laura is raising. >> yeah, michael, i have to ask you, this is important. a deputy ag rod rosen stein who appointed muller. he tells the ap, in an interview that he would recuse himself from any oversight of muller's probe, if, if he became a subject of the investigation and he said, i have talked with director muller about this, he

is going to make the appropriate decision and if anything that i did winds up being relevant to his investigation then as director mueller and i will discuss if there's a kneneed fr me to recuse, i will. how do you think it will play out? >> he may not be a subject of the investigation, but he will be a witness to the investigation if there's an obstruction investigation. because the rosenstein memo gave cover and the sort of excuse for the firing of comey then, the president went on lester holt's interview show and said otherwise. then rosenstein had to talk about why he wrote the memo and what sessions was doing there when he was supposedly recusing himself. all that will make rosenstein a witness, when you are a witness like that, you cannot have over site responsibilities for the same case. >> thank you, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the white house will not say if the president believes in

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president trump spoke for more than 27 minutes in the rose garden explaining why he dpped out o the paris accord but he never got around to saying if he believes that climate change is a hoax. got to be careful with my jasons tonight. good evening. jason miller, president trump facing blow-back for his decision to pull the united states out of the paris climate accord but he is being heralded by his supporters forkeeping a campaign promise. why won't the white house say if president trump believes it's a hoax? >> what are you seeing in the media and many from the left right now, yesterday, it did not work to attack the president for pulling on out of the paris accord so, they are trying to get him to fit neatly in a box of whether he believes in climate change. i have had conversations with the president about the environment and cleaning up the

air and water and everything, he is supportive of this. look, if he were to come out today and say, you know what? i just, i think that the way you define climate change is a hoax, then he would be attacked as being a herratic, if he came out and said, he believes in your definition of climate change, he would be a flip flopper. he is keeping it focused where he needs to. which is jobs and the economy. >> that was a great answer, but you did not answer any question. >> but, don, it's the truth. >> he should try us then. he should try the american public and say how he feels about climate change. if you have spoken to him on the issues, do you think the president thinks that climate change is a hoax? >> i have not asked him the direct question on this and these were questions from the campaign. what i think the president has a lot of questions about some of the junk science reports that have come out. it's clear that people have obviously had an impact on the environment and what we are

seeing with climate change issues. but i think there's a lot of hyste a hysteria about it, and getting back to the paris accord, this thing was a really, really bad deal. >> but if you just answer my question, with all due respect. >> i did answer your question. >> no you didn't. my first question was why can't the white house say whether the president is believing in climate change or if he thinks it's a hoax and you said, he is keeping it to where it should be. you did not answer the question. >> but i started off by saying -- >> do you believe, you said that you had multiple conversations with him. i'm asking you two straight forward questions. yes or no orion? >> i believe the president is strongly supportive of the environment and making sure we have clean air and clean water. i think the media wants tight definitions for what counts as climate change and what doesn't, and i think he smartly is staying away from being type cast by folks that want to take him down. >> i understand, i understand

people are, there's folks out there that want to trip him up. but the reason i'm asking is because of what he said before previously about climate change that in fact it was a hoax then in 2009 he wrote the letter and signed the letter along with every member of his family now who is in the white house or running his businesses, asking president obama to sign on to scene jobs. so i'm trying to get clarity on whether he believes it or not, as he believed before. that is it. jason kanter, go go ahead. >> i mean, it's noot hard question, right? do you believe the 97% of scientists or the 3% of scientists. it's an easy question. what bothers me, probably most about this, is that even if we got an answer, i don't know how much good it would do us. it would just change again depending on who he talked to last. what bothers me about him pulling out of the paris accord, this is him continuing to decide that it's not important that america be a leader in the world and i happen to think whether

you are talking about climate change or anything else that the world and america, it's a safer place when america is in a position of leadership. >> and i could not agree more. that's why i think the u.s. needs to be leading on the economy. and again, smart leaders, strong leaders don't enter in to he will d-- this to deals like thi where china does not have to reduce carbon emissions until 2030 and the united states has to reduce it over the next eight years. that is not being a leader, it's being a fool. >> it's not a deal, it's an agreement by the world saying, here's what we are able to do. it's everyone being a team player saying, let's tackle it together. in terms of leading on the economy or anything else, mick interrogatory with -- nicaragua and syria and the united states were the three countries. leadership, from this president is doing the same thing that syria is doing. and as far as leading on the

economy, jason, this is, i mean, the next frontier of jobs is going to be alternate energy and renewable energy. like we are allowing china to whate are going to do is allow them to dump solar panels in our economy, we will be again behind because of the decision. >> i think you make a great point about our need to be tough and strong with china. and look, you are on the democratic side, you have run for office, you are very talented and skilled as a politician a politician. i think you can speak to that large swaths of the democratic base are divided. so many on the left, so many democrats want to completely wipe out coal jobs and move everything in to unsustainable energy jobs. >> can i jump in here and here's a question, i'm not speaking of

a democrat or republican, just an american. if you think of the coal jobs that exist, there's more real estate agents in the country, more people working in retail and technology, why is -- why is so much emphasis placed, of course we want people who work in coal country to have jobs. why is a focus spaced on an industry that is not a giant industry in the country, it does not account for the bulk of jobs? >> excellent question, i think coal minors and people in the coal industry, it goes back to the forgot enmten men and women. it's symbolic of the u.s. is really the, you know, the saudi arabia of coal. we are the coal leaders when it comes to this. so many people that misjudge the election and think that the coal

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hillary clinton talked about the loss and blamed several aspects of the dncs communications, their internet. >> she also took responsibility for whatever rolhe played. >> and james comey. >> and i think that secret clinton has every right to sort of look back and do an autopsy the campaign. i saw her recently just about a week ago and she is ready to move forward. but i think she is going to step right back in to the political discourse. >> why do people want to silence her? >> they always wanted to silence hillary. this is not something new. secretary clinton is still one of the most brilliant voices and a voice of change. and it's important for us to listen to her. >> i don't believe in silencing or boycotting people. that is what america is about, it's about freedom of speech. the thing is, people are wondering whether it's politically, you know, good for the democrats that she is speaking out. >> right now, i think that it is

politically good for the democrats to have anybody with a real voice speaking out. >> let's talk about lebron james, racial slur on the gate of his house in l.a., written -- >> i think racism has reared its ugly head and come out and said hello to people. what people once only thought and was afraid to say, with this president, making it okay to come out from underneath your hood, that's where we are going to get. >> you think the president made it okay? >> absolutely. i mean, you know, excuse me, i did not stutter when i said that. when the president of the united states sort of appeals to a white nationalist agenda, and embraces people who were fearful of the browning of america and for all practical purposes, clung with their dying fingers there was a press conferenc , today in today's white house

briefing and sean spicer was asked about lebron james as well as other racial incidents, let's listen and talk about it. >> there are numbers of reports, nooses have been found at the museum -- and also, there was very thnegative words, the wors words you can say spray painted on lebron james home. what is the president say something people are feeling there's a divide that perpetuated from this white house? >> i would disagree with the premise of that, we need to denounce hate in any form and in any act and this president made it clear from election night forward that he wants to move the country forward. >> do you think the president is handling the issues and addressing the issues? >> i don't think it crosses his mind. that is one of the things that i

discussed with secretary clinton that some of the issues on her front burner has not been put on the back burner, they have been taken off the stove. i don't think that addressing racism is an issue to him in the least bit. i don't think that it crosses his mind. spawn spicer looked at her like, why are you asking me about the black people, it's not something that we discuss with the president on a regular basis. >> do you think it's a matter of you don't know what you don't know and if you don't know, maybe you just don't care about it? >> it not his experience. >> yeah. >> i don't think it's his experience. and what is probably more bother some for the president of the united states is he is not curious enough to find out what other people who are not like him, what their experience is. and that is what i think lebron was trying to say. no matter the money you have, your influence or where you come from or where you are, you are still black. >> you mentioned lebron, jason whitlock had another response about it. >> he allegedly had the n-word

spray painted on his $20 million presentwood home, he was not there, his family was not there. he heard about it. racism is an issue in america. but, it is primarily an issue for the poor. it's not lebron james's issue. lebron james, whether he likes it or not, or whether people close to him are telling him or not. he has removed himself from the damages and the ravages of real racism. he made have an occasional disrespectful interaction with someone. a disrespectful inconvenience. >> hate much? give me a break. his $20 million home. you don't get to tell somebody else what had their racism experience is. >> money does not innoculate you from racism.

>> money nor position. ask the president of the united states, the 44th president of the united states what it felt like to have people around our country speak about him in such racist terms over the course of eight years. it does not matter. you can be the leader of the free world and be subject to racism. >> here's the subject, when you are the first lady of the united states, and people will call you a monkey or an ape, but nobody has called melania names. >> it was not appropriate to talk about our elegant, first lady, michelle obama. >> i think there's a difference, jason is not getting it, between classism, and social structure in society and racism. there's a difference there. maybe he has money. maybe he has some privilege in the sense that he has money. but it does not innoculate you from racism. >> if tells you there's two buses, the white folk go over there and the black folk go over

there, no matter the money, they will put you on the black bus. vanessa williams plays maxine, a host of a long-running women's talk show. tell us about daytime divas, is it the view? >> no, you are asking the questions that everyone is america is asking. >> who is barbara walters and lisa ling, it was -- >> remember, i had 25 years of experience in daytime and in news television. i've been in every green room and make-up room in the new york area. so, i have heard and seen a lot. i got to pull from all of the experiences. so it's inspired by lots of different people, i can tell you, it's a completely fictional account of the behind the scenes of the workings of a daytime talk show and maxine robinson, an homage of max robinson. >> i wrote in my book how i love

him. peter jennings was in london and new york and it was frank reynolds in new york. i used to love watching them. i'm showing my age now. but i have to say, you set your butt on "the view" today and i was like, there's "the view," it felt like old times. remember when you and meredith did april fool's? >> oh, yes, it was tag you are it, if you are going to take the reigns and run with it. >> i cannot wait for it, monday june 5 accountanth5th, premiers. we will be right back, good to see you. >> good to see you. to...?this data look at me...look at me... look at me... you used to be the "yes" guy. what happened to that guy? legacy technology can handcuff any company.

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