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demanded loyalty from comey. the president wasn't personally being investigated and didn't obstruct anything. >> meanwhile everyone saw this hearing differently. republicans defending president trump arguing that he is new to the job and james comey concerns about president obama's attorney general loretta lynch and why she tried to down play the hillary clinton investigation. and teresa may's c conservative party losing their lead in parliament. let's begin with joe johns. he is live for us with the laits. >> good morning, allison. president trump is expected to hold a joint news conference today at the white house. it will be the first time the president has spoken with reporters in three weeks. likely only to take a couple of
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questions but at least an opportunity to speak to him about this extraordinary turn of events on capitol hill. perhaps what was most striking about the testimony of fired fbi director james comey is that he accused the president of the united states, plain and simple, of lying. comey, even went as far as to suggest that he prepared memos about his conversation about the president because he anticipated the president lying about those interactions. list listen. >> there's no doubt. it's a fair judgment, it's my judgment that i was fired because of the russia investigation. i was fired to change, or the endeavor was to change the way the russia investigation was being conducted. >> comey made it clear that he was making what might be
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described as one of the noisiest exits by a lawyer in the history of government law. he essentially took one of the key memos. perhaps the key memo that he prepared and delivered it to a law school professor in hopes that that professor would, in-turn, leak the memo to the media. he also said he wanted it leaked so that a special council would be named which is exactly what happened. >> the president tweeted on friday after i got fired that i better hope there's not tapes. i woke up in the middle of the night on monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally that there might be coroboration so i asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. i didn't do it myself but i asked him to because i thought that might prompt the appointment of a special council so i asked a close friend of mine to do it. >> so why didn't james comey
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essentially leak his memos, his information directly to the news media? he said it would have been like feeding seagulls at the beach. one interesting note as we anticipate seeing the president today at the white house, the president did not tweet during all the testimony on capitol hill of james comey and that is something apparently his lawyers were pretty grateful for. >> thank you. in fact that's a record. >> hold on a second. >> don't jinx it. >> if we get to 6:14 in the east. >> it will have been a record, the longest that president trump in fact -- wait does he mean? our producer is saying one of the longest? we thought that it was a record. it will have been one of the longest stretches that we have seen president trump, even candidate trump go without tweeting. >> the point is not about how long it is. it's that there was enough high
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stakes tension here that the president stayed off twitter, followed probably council's advice. now a very important part of the story which is that this testimony was filtered entirely based on partisan perspective. the gop came out after everything that comey said and basically got in line behind the president and said there is nothing here in terms of obstruction and yet at the same time wanted to talk about loretta lynch wanting to change investigation to matter as potential obstruction. tribalism on display. >> look, chris. it was pick whatever you want out of the hearing. it was a little bit for everybody here. democrats seized on a lot of the testimony illustrating the major concerns that they have been talking about over the course of the last couple of weeks but as you know, republicans either demuring or saying nothing happened. john mccain saying he wasn't
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shocked by anything. the number 2 republican saying it was a mixed bag when it comes to testimony. one of the interesting element in the wake of this hearing and we tried to talk about just about everybody or any republican we could reach out to over the course of a few hours afterwards was their rational for what they had heard. now unlike the white house, unlike the president's personal lawyer they weren't necessarily saying what jim comey was testifying wasn't true. they weren't challenging the facts here but their defense was interesting. most notably, he didn't know any better. that's what marco rubio had to say. look, the president was poorly served by his staff here. this clearly wasn't appropriate but i don't think it reaches the level of illegality. more interesting speaker paul ryan as the hearing was going on he was asked about the testimony and what he had heard. paul ryan made clear look guys he's new at this. he doesn't know the protocol and doesn't understand the long standing divisions between or at least separations between these two entities that exist. there's a natural follow up here
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which is how is that an excuse? you have a white house council. you have a staff. that's not an excuse just because the president doesn't know better. i asked paul ryan just that and he said look i'm not saying it's an excuse. it's just an observation and went on to say based on the testimony you can tell why the president is frustrated. i think the big take away here is republicans aren't seizing on this to attack the president. they are continuing to at least on capitol hill, keep their heads down and try to focus on their agenda and try to get away from everything that we have all been focussing on, democrats have been focussing on. whatever excuses they try to make and whatever defenses they try to roll out yesterday was a difficult day and senators know that and house republicans know that as well. they told me that behind the scenes but publicly at least no big deal, guys. >> thank you for that. we have so much to talk about on this very early edition of new day so let's bring in our all star panel.
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we have ron brownstein and laura. good to see all of you. ron your take away from yesterday. >> i thought it was a very clarifying day because it made two things abundantly clear which were summarized in the first two rorts. first the former fbi director in person underoath saying what had previously only been attributed to associates or news reports of memos that the president engaged in a pattern of conduct that over the past 24 hours many legal experts former watergate prosecutors law profess source and others just identify become a plausible case of obstruction of justice and move that debate significantly forward and then the other point is legally important is that there are essentially no congressional republicans or virtually no congressional republicans that are willing to interpret it that way and thus what that says is the only thing that could force their hand to act is the
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independent council investigation and secondarily the congressional republicans are making a huge electoral bet because as i said before the biggest risk to them in 2018 is that voters are ambivalent or uneasy about this president will view them as not exercising a sufficient check on him and they have latched themselves more tightly to his mast at a time when this boat is taking on water. >> yet a nice silver lining. he didn't get the loyalty he juaned from comey but he is getting it from republicans. for them to not see any need to discuss obstruction with what the president did but jump on it with loretta lynch. i don't know how they distinguish those things. how can you be upset about one and not the other? but oh there may be a pattern here, you had other heavy weights come out and say absolutely not. the president has a constitutional right to end this
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and we didn't see any directed action by the president. what did you see? >> the reason they say that is they're showing you how hard it is to prove intent which of course is the obstruction of justice statute makes you prove that it was corrupt meaning you intended to do the thing that you're being accused to do and even if unsuccessful it's not going to workout but remember you can actually believe from the i hopes and contextual clues that were there. if you want to say that he didn't say directly you must stop the investigation or else, you can conceptualize it with the words i hope. what comey's testimony did show is you had a pattern of behavior that wasn't simply inappropriate but was geared toward trying to exact the very end that he was trying to stop the investigation
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and the consequence was his own firing. that's where the true obstruction of justice inquiry begins. >> we have another moment from director comey that is being quoted because he used a term to explain his wishes. listen to what happened yesterday. >> i very carefully chose the words. i have seen the tweet about tapes. lordy i hope there are tapes. >> he hopes there's coon corroboration of his version of events. >> he is thinking that might not be a bad thing which is saying i stand by my account of what i said about our conversation and what i wrote down and he believes that that will corroborate what he said and this goes back to the point phil
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was making is yes trump and his lawyers are saying nothing to see here at all and questioning comey and what comey are saying but republicans on the hill are not. they are taking it and complimenting him on the detail of his account and then saying see because he said hope that's not a direction, you can't prove it. as we were just talking about that may not stand up in an actual legal proceeding when you're trying to indicate what his intent was. but that is what they're hanging on and saying fine we take you at your word and comey is clearly saying my word is good. if that ends up being proven by tapes that may or may not exist it may not change anything in terms of how things are interpreting this course of event. >> david what did you see in this situation? what did you feel was a good sign? what did you feel was a depressing sign? >> first of all the good sign was that i think this is probably the best, most focused congressional hearing that i
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think i have seen in sometime. you have a committee asking good and serious question and a witnesses that was highly organized. the second takeaway was there's a reason it's dangerous to fire your fbi director. imagine what was the president's objective. if you believe the president was trying to end this investigation in some way to lift the cloud as you said, to move beyond this agenda, he fires director comey without sort of thinking the chess game out two or three moves ahead. comey wakes up one night and says by his own account, if i take my notes and i make sure those get into the hands of a reporter or colleague of mine at the new york times, and that gets out, what is going to happen? it's going to force the naming of a special council that will
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hound president trump for the next year or two years or however long this investigation takes. so he woke up one evening and found a way to move opposite of what president trump was trying to do and now no matter how this comes out, the president is going to be dealing with that special council for at least the first half of his term. >> there's debate and discussion about did comey leak? it's comey who is a leaker. if they get into the hands of the new york times, is that a leak? what constitutes a leak?
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>> i suppose it's in the eye of a beholder. how the information became public. i mean, clearly you had concern -- what we have had all the way, it seems parallel to what we had all the way through in this investigation which is you had career law enforcement professionals concerned about whether the information they're developing will accurately move up the chain of command and ultimately influence the decisions that are made and put that out in the square. he didn't have faith that he was going to be treated fairly. he said he felt it necessary to memorialize this conversation from the beginning because he was afraid that this president would mischaracterize them or frankly lie about them so i think it was an extension of what we have seen all the way through this investigation and how much of it has ended up in
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the newspapers and through cnn, frankly, because of those concerns by many of the people involved on unearthing the information. >> reaction from lawmaker seemed to be that it passed as a leak. looked like a leak. sound like a leak, was a leak and i don't think it helped comey to say he leaked because he was hoping it would lead to the appointment of a special council. >> that was radical honesty that he was using that some people can analyze and determine if that was necessary. he offered that. panel stick around because we want to talk to you about where the investigation on all of these fronts goes from here. >> and what the republicans are seizing on as the big deal which i might suggest in the next panel is one of the biggest bouts of hypocrisy we have seen so far. >> is that a preview after what you're going to do on the next panel. >> did i give too much away? >> we'll be back right after this.
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matter. >> let me go back if i can very briefly to the decision to publicly go out with your results on the e-mail. was your decision influenced by the attorney general's tarmac meeting with the former president bill clinton. >> yes in an ultimately conclusive way. that was the thing that capped it for me that hi to do something separately to protect the credibility of the investigation which meant both the fbi and the justice department. >> okay that was different. the same topic but also different. but that's also fascinating. fast nating to hear that had bill clinton not approached loretta lynch on the tarmac that also history would have been different. >> comey has hinted at this in various other public testimony that he has given over the last
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few months. he has been asked about the decision that he made involving the clinton e-mail scandal and that investigation and publicly talking about it at various points and certainly the gop is still asking about it now because for many of them they never wanted to close the issue. for others it goes to the question of testing comey's credibility because they want to say he made decisions in a certain way that jive with what he is doing now. certainly this came up also in the decision to fire him and that was focused on whether he made appropriate decisions in the clinton e-mail probe and so this issue just isn't going away. both because people still juan to keep it front and center and because it played a role which we know the president said after those memos were released that that's what comey believes but it's never been completely
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separated so you keep having it coming back up in the various differ ways usually by republican members of the congress and to some level relitiga relitigate it and reuse it to paint a picture of who comey is and who trump is and what the real truth of the matter is there. >> this is why i woke up because this say part of the discussion that would never allowed in a court of law maybe it would go to his state of mind, maybe, but it was a clear departure and a gotcha and equivalency test about the republicans. oh you juan to talk about what trump did. let's talk about clinton again. they're talking about the russia probe. it has nothing to do with the russia probe but it means so much politically and it was the metaphor moment. you saw the gop line-up whether it was ryan, with his awkward and obvious defense of well he's
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new to this. marco rubio, well he's new to this. what does that even mean about the president of the united states. you don't believe he knew what he was doing when he was talking to james comey? but how can you do everything that's should be ignored but when loretta lynch said change an investigation to a matter, that's something we should look at as obstruction. how can you believe those two things at the same time? >> well, chris it was a question of distraction. the 2016 election no matter what you thought about it is over and the clinton e-mail investigation is over and the trump investigation is just in it's early stages really, the mid stages here. a few things first in the paul ryan statement and others who said the president's new to this, he is new to this in that conversation would suggest that he was treating comey as he might have treated one of his
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real estate associates. it's all about loyalty and let's just get this done and move on. this is usual transactional approach without thinking very much or caring very much about the separation of what it is you do and do not say to your fbi director or to the justice department. now, the tail on this to my mind is that the way mr. comey layed it out, two critical conversations happened when the president made sure that no one else was around. the first was this one-on-one dinner where comey said he expected others to be there and the second is an oval office thing where he asked everybody including the attorney general who you would think would be party to this conversation to leave the room. he even asked jared kushner to leave the room. his closest family member, senior in the white house. other than his daughter ivanka.
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so the fact that the president wanted to hold these conversations one-on-one strongly suggests that he didn't want anybody else around that would give verifying element of the conversation. the president is disputing what happened and it would probably help him to have a partisan there to say no the president's version is correct because right now we're down to mr. comey's version of events versus president trumps. >> what does your legal mind see in all of these angles yesterday? >> i don't think the president of the united states gets to have a learning curve. his cabinet should ensure it's not necessary number one. number two it would have been appropriate to make between the loretta lynch context and the one happening here with the russian collusion it's the president, the former president had been the one to say change the investigation into matter then we could have a relevant anlage. you think of what's happening
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now and i look at that testimony and i said comey is the professional witness. he corroborated the testimony with the president of the united states in a way that made his later statements seem all the more credible. he came across as endeering in an effort to show that his agenda was not an ax to grind but ultimately speaking what he did was show that the president of the united states by handing over the memo to special council is now a subject of investigation likely because of the president's own attempt to abstruck an actual active investigation. >> great to have all of your experience here with us this morning as we make our way through everything. all of the threads of comey's testimony. >> so we're definitely dealing with political turmoil here and now they're dealing with it in the u.k. as well. a shocker in the outcome of their election. teresa may, the prime minister,
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phil black live in london. this was called the snap election. she was supposed to be playing to strength. but now what? >> yeah, this has not gone to plan at all. prime minister teresa may was hoping to expand her majority in the country's parliament. instead she has lost her majority in the country's parliament. she no longer has more than 50% of the available seats and no longer has the ability to control the laws and legislations that will go through there in an out right way but it appears that she was confident that holding on at least for the short-term would be told by the prime minister's office that in two hours she will visit the queen and ask for the queen's permission to form the next government. this is the usual formal process that follows an election in this country. normally it's very straightforward. it is the party that has that majority of seats within the parliament. in this case she has the majority but it's believed that
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she is receiving support from a minor party that will just get her over that 50% plus one line and allow her to continue governing. continue governing but there's no doubt in a much diminished way. diminished way personally with her as prime minister having lost a great deal of the evidence that she previously carried. there's now real questions today about her future politically. the possibility of a challenge coming within her own party to replace her but also crucially diminished as a government heading into the brexit negotiations. the whole argument be falling this election was to strengthen her hand leading into what will be the most challenging foreign policy situation for britain since the 2nd world war. these are the negotiations to exit the european union. it's now failed to go the other way. that will proceed and it's just a question of how it's going to proceed. so much uncertainty in the days and weeks a head. back to you. >> oh my gosh.
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just another example that we are in an era of repeated election surprises. >> and corbin that heads the labor party he does say that he is ready to begin the brexit negotiations on behalf of the u.k. the question is what does he see as the goal of those negotiations? is it going to be a true exit or something else? we don know now. >> jim comey called president trump a liar with the whole world watching. >> more than once. >> now that his moment in the spotlight is over what's the fall out of capitol hill? we take a closer look. he-countes for my belly pain and constipation. i've had it up to here! it's been month after month of fiber. weeks taking probiotics! days and nights of laxatives, only to have my symptoms return. (vo) if you've had enough, tell your doctor what you've tried and how long you've been at it. linzess works differently from laxatives. linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation.
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our political and national security analyst for the new york times. so let's deal with comey first. and he helped himself in some ways and arguably he hurt hirms in some ways. he admitted to leaking and he said he leaked because he wanted a special council. how do you think he comes out of this in terms of how much his word will be weighed and valued? >> first of all you have to say whose version of events are people more likely to believe? the one mr. comey put out or the president put out? he was organized took clear notes, i get, i'm guessing that his version of events probably going to hold up longer than the president's would. i think you're right on the issue of what have been calling here a leak. it certainly does look like he was seeking to force the hand of the justice department for which he used to work to go apoint a
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special council and he succeeded at that. i would dispute the characterization of this as a leak. there was nothing classified about this document. it's a conversation between him and the president perhaps when he was serving in government that would fall under some kind of sense of privilege and frankly there is in conversations with the president there's no equivalent of attorney kline privilege or patient doctor privilege. >> does it have to be confidential or privileged for it to be a leak. >> i don't think so. if i come to you chris and i say tell me what you heard at the dinner party the other day and you recounty to me an interesting conversation you were in, is that just sharing your knowledge or -- >> if the other person never wanted it to be public it is sharing of something that you
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western authorized to share or you western supposed to share. >> the way i might put it is something the president didn't expect him to share. maybe something the president should have thought about. >> he didn't want to come out with it himself he did leak it using it just as a verb through somebody else and getting it out into the media and now he says he had a motive in wanting to do that, i don't think that was something that won him a lot of friends on the gop side. >> that's right. there's no question on that. >> so ron, one of the fascinating things about james comey testimony is just how plain spoken he was. you don't often hear people not use euphemisms. he said the word lie repeatedly. let me play it for you. >> the administration then chose to defame me and more importantly the fbi by saying that the organization was in disarray. that it was poorly lit. that the work force had lost
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confidence in it's leader. those were lies, plain and simple. >> what did you think? >> i thought it was railroad straightforward and there was one other characteristic about it that was important. it was underoath. james comey not speaking anonymously to associates or leaking a memo or revealing a memo. it was him making his case under oath but i am pretty sure that i remember that in that famous deposition they put bill clinton under oath and it's entirely possible that president trump will ultimately face not a press conference where he will undoubtedly repeat anything he said but he may have to present his case of the facts under oath and face the kind of legal jeopardy that ultimately bill clinton did if his version of
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events does not accord with all the other evidence. so this is the beginning of a process and the fact that former director comey made these allegations in public and under oath and in a way that he is convincing about the overall pattern of behavior is significant. >> all right now hopefully you'll say i'm wrong. the gop comes out and lines up behind trump. the party is going to be loyal to him. from the rnc level to the big t shots, they're going to say there's nothing to see here and they're not going to move on anything seen as inappropriate. paul ryan gives a very reaching statement about this being about the president's 90th day. i don't know how that can be believable to people but that's what they're doing and yet loretta lynch wanting to call this a matter instead of an investigation. it was a determination that demands context.
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it wasn't as simple as we're seeing with the president and comey where it seems to be self-serving but still the republicans saying that we have to look at. that could have been obstruction while at the same time saying everything comey says about the president is nonsense. how can you believe those two things? >> i don't think you can. and frankly, i don't think loretta lynch discussion here is going to have a whole lot of legs. i would defer to my friend ron who has got a lot more political sensibility and experience on this than i do but as i look at this i don't think that. >> but it's got big rock like legs in terms of showing you wanting to own any errors by the president of the united states. >> yeah and in fact, i said yesterday it was a very clarifying day both because former director comey made allegations under oath and because of the way the republicans reacted but there was a third thing that happened that i thought was important and
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reveal chg is that while all of this was going on the house republicans pass legislation to essentially repeal a big chunk of the financial regulations that were imposed after the crash and in the senate you saw movement among break down the resistance among some moderate republicans that expanded medicaid and thus the repeal of the aca is moving forward. they're better off holding together and passing their agenda than turning on trump and that's a big gamble because in polling this week 85% of people disapprove of trump and say they want a democratic house. >> fascinating. thank you for all the political analysis. great to talk to you. >> the former director of national intelligence tells cnn that the trump russia probe is bigger than watergate. wait until you hear what james clapper told anderson cooper about the president's impact on democracy. stay with us. we're on to you, diabetes. time's up, insufficient prenatal care.
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>> so this was an eye popper. james clapper was in australia talking to reporters and he says the russia probe involving president trump and a lot of other issues exceeds the reach of watergate and people were like how? why would he say that? and demanded clarification. anderson cooper got clapper on the show to test why he thinks that. here's the answer. >> earlier this week you said that watergate hails compared to what we are confronting now. i wonder what you saw today and heard today did it disabuse you of that notion at all? >> no, it reinforced it. so to understand the context of my comment, what the big difference in my mind between watergate which i lived through and this is the backdrop of the
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russian interference in our political process. as opposed to a burglary, a break in. to me, that's a hugely different and i thought jim comey's testimony was rif vetting, compelling and to me reinforced the comparison at least in my mind. >> in what way does it reinforce the seriousness of what the u.s. is confronting right now. and what the president appeared to be trying to get him to do i thought was very disturbing.
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>> have you ever seen a president acting in this way, talking in this way sberks aint with the fbi or other intelligence officials this way. >> no, i have not. not my experience of 50 plus years. >> how much concern do you have about the integrity of u.s. institutions. institutions that are the foundations of any solid democracy. i talked to michael hayden years agatha talk about that civilization and having real concerns about them. >> my concerns about the assaults our institutions are under from russia and an internal source. i thought that jim's impassioned discourse on the real deal here, the big story is the russian interference in our process and
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they exceeded their wildest dreams and expectations i am sure by the discord, doubt, and the disruption they have caused in our political process. >> you talk about external source, obviously russia and you said internal source. what is the internal source? >> well as i indicated the president himself has undertaken whether intentionally or not assaults on our institutions. >> i don't want to put words in your mouth but are you saying that you believe the president of the united states is a threat to democracy? >> well, to our system. you know, the assault on the institution, starting with my own, the intelligence community and his characterization of us as nazis. the commentary he made about the
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judiciary and individual judges. the assault on the bureau. as examples are not constructive for our country. >> so the two big takeaways here and good for anderson cooper for getting clapper on to clarify this. one, all of that talk yesterday and all the outcome of politicians how many did you hearsay wow, this russian interference is a big deal. they got in deeper than anyone had ever seen before. what are we going to do about it? not once. and his other point chr, which e hasn't seen anything like this before. think about that especially in perspective of the gop reaction. we're going to take a break here right now and start off the top of the hour with a lot of new coverage. what the comey testimony means to you and your democracy, ahead.
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the administration chose to defame me. those were lies. plain and simple. >> it is unsuis insulting that n would be asked. >> the comparison between watergate and what we confronted now. >> we waited for a shoe to drop. nothing was in there. >>. i was fired because of the russia investigation. >> refused to pledge loyalty to a president. for that he got fired. >> the president never told mr. comey i need loyalty. i expect loyalty. >> the cloud hanging over this administration has just gotten a whole lot darker. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> goo

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