one that keeps you connected to what matters most. i didn't say that. i will tell you, i didn't say that. there would be nothing wrong if i did say that. >> controversy with comey, one is lying. >> you would speak under oath? >> 100%. >> both guys say the other one is lying. >> when will you tell us? >> over a short period of time, you are going to be disappointed. >> enough is enough, demanding to know if the tapes exist. that deadline is june 23rd. >> no collusion, no obstruction. he's a leaker. we want to get back to running our great country.

>> good morning. i'm christi paul. >> i'm martin savidge in for victor. what a week it has been. we have a lot to talk about. >> we have a lot of people talking to us. president trump waking up in new jersey. you are right, just a chaotic week in washington. former fbi director, james comey had his memos, secret tapes of president trump's conversations with him, dominated the headlines. now, lawmakers are demanding all those records by june 23rd. >> that's not all. senator dianne feinstein is asking for potential obstruction of justice. the president is not backing down, calling comey a liar and

leaker. held testify under oath 100%. >> speaking as he tweets in short bursts, president trump wants it both ways. slamming the man he fired. >> no collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker. >> reporter: during a news conference, mr. trump denied he tried to shut down the russia probe, specifically when it comes to national security adviser, michael flynn. >> i didn't say that, i will tell you i didn't say that. >> he asked comey for allegiance. >> who would do that? who would ask a man to pledge allegiance under oath? i hardly know the man. no, i didn't say that. >> reporter: whether he would

speak under oath on the matter? >> 100%. >> reporter: recordings of the conversations. >> i'll tell you about that in the near future. i'll tell you about it over a short period of time. okay? okay. do you have a question here. >> reporter: when will you tell us? >> over a short period of time. >> are there tapes, sir? >> you are going to be very disappointed when you hear the answer. don't worry. >> reporter: democrats are eager for the president to tell all he knows under oath with robber mueller. >> i would expect at some point mr. mueller will feel he has to depose the president. >> reporter: he was not asked about attorney general jeff sessions. the white house danced around whether they have confidence in the general. they say it's time to know more about his interactions with the russians during the campaign. >> we, on the intelligence

committee want to know the answers to those questions. we have begun to request information from the attorney general to allow us to get to the bottom of that. >> reporter: president was asked by a romaine yan reporter, whether he's committed to nato's article 5, the u.s. comes to the defense of the vulnerable nations on russia's border. >> i'm committing the united states to article 5. certainly, we are there to protect. that's one of the reasons i want people to know we have a very, very strong force by paying the kind of money necessary to have that force. yes, absolutely, i would be committed to article 5. >> reporter: the president gave no indication when he plans to answer the question, whether he has recordings of the meetings at the white house. the president is spending the rest of the weekend in new jersey. cnn, the white house. >> let's bring in cnn political

commentator and a washington bureau chief frr the new york post, joey jackson and tom, cnn senior law enforcement and fbi assistant director. thank you all for being with us, we certainly appreciate it. arol, any indication, if there are no tapes because the president said you are going to be very disappointed, which makes it sound like there are no tapes. if there are no tapes, at the end of the day, what does it mean for this thing? was it strategy, distraction? >> i wouldn't rule out the existence of some kind of recording. get away from the antiquated terminology of the tapes. i don't think we are going to find a cassette player in the white house. >> very good point. >> it's possible there are recordings. if you look into it, you'll find

almost every call the president makes, if it goes out over an internet line, the calls are recorded, transcribed. there's a deal of not hostile surveillance, but recording of routine conversations. the showbiz appeal, stay tuned, you'll be surprised, tune in tomorrow, we will find out one way or the other. i don't know if it affects it. the esteemed attorneys you have here, my fellow companions here, this is what former director comey has done, taking notes after a meeting, doing it consistently, creating a reliable record is almost as good for legal purposes and in the eyes of public opinion. >> when it comes to the heart of the testimony, do you think lawmakers have a case for obstruction of justice? >> you know what?

good morning to you christy and the panel. taking a step back means what congress says it means. ultimately, you could say what obstruction is, he intended to interfere with an official proceeding, was it his intent to be corrupt? congress, if they have no appetite to move forward in an abinstruction case, there will be none. looking at the comey hearing, take marco rubio. what you are saying, sir, he asked for loyalty. okay, what president doesn't. he asked you to tell what we already know, the american people, you told us in congress the president is not being investigated. he said back off. if you look at the tenor of the republican questioning and the tenor of the democratic questioning, it appeared the republicans were supporting their president and the democrats were trying to find something in terms of the president.

why that matters at the end of the day, martin is you need a majority in the house who have the appetite to vote articles of impeachment and you need two-thirds, 60 senators to ultimately convict him. in terms of an obstruction case, in this political climate, i don't think so. >> gabby, what about the consequence if the june 23rd deadline is not met? any evidence they may have. >> look, if this comes down to a he said, she said situation as president trump hinted yesterday it would, he might be willing to testify under oath in a way that would push back against the testimony that we heard from james comey earlier this week, those tapes that he once claimed to have are going to be the deciding factor. i have to disagree with arol. having recordings on the conversation would lend

credibility to whatever president trump is claiming he said or didn't say. that would be absent, even in the meticulous notes james comey took in his -- after his conversations with the president. i think, if there aren't tapes, there's going to be a question of which man has a greater reputation, which man has more credibility going into this. i would err on the side of saying congressional investigators are going to lean toward somebody like james comey, who has been in government for decades and how he handled the clinton e-mail investigation, somebody honest and forthright. president trump maybe not as much seen as having those characteristics. >> let me ask you this. he came out strong, boldly, saying jim comey was lying, not only lying, lying under oath.

former head of the fbi, you can say, at one time, he was america's lie detector. now this accusation is leveled by the president. did that shock you in any way. >> not really, martin. i think what shocked me more was director comey or former director comey himself, when he talks about basically cowhering to the attorney general when she says don't call it an investigation, call it a matter, he didn't know what to do. he should have said sorry, it's the federal bureau of investigation, not the federal bureau of matters. the president, he talks about being almost afraid and admits to being cowardly. to me, it was a very embarrassing situation on the part of director comey doing that. on the other hand, you know, president trump is celebrating in the end zone thinking that's it, i'm vindicated and it's

over. i don't think it's going to be over. clearly, i think that trump had the better day. >> do you think there are tapes? >> i don't know. i don't know. that's a good question. even if there are tapes -- if there are tapes, that's government property. getting back to the memos director comey said he took out of the office and gave to a law professor friend to leak to the press. they are not his -- it's not dear diary, he's recording meetings with essentially his boss. it it's pertinent to the business and the fbi at the time. that's government records. that has to stay within government property. i was shocked to hear that admission that he stooped to that low of a level that he should know better to not have done that. >> we are going to talk more about that.

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demanded his loyalty. >> the fired fbi director made the claims testifying before congress. the president said he's 100% willing to also testify under oath. would that bold move open the president to more legal and political risks? we want to bring back the panel, joey jackson, let me start with you. is it a gamble for the president, 100% i'll take oath. >> we parse the language, lawyers do that. listen to what mr. trump said, why would i ask him to pledge allegiance, it doesn't make sense. i didn't say that. potentially, the president is telling the truth, he didn't say pledge allegiance, he asked for loyalty. what did he say, exactly. when you get into the specifics of raising that hand and sworn

testimony under oath, you are in another sphere legally. if it can be determined what you said is a lie, now you have other issues and you are not only obstructing justice, but into perjury. as a result of that, it's a bold and risky move. to me, it's another indication there would be no such tapes, because in the event there were tapes and he was saying something like this, bang! i think he would expose himself to something cig nsignificant. this demonstrates, i doubt, i'm a doubter, there's a tape out there. >> with that said, remember august 1998 wimcmxcviii with ke star, bill clinton. it ended with he said/she said with monica lewinsky. the house impeached him. what is the plausibility that if the president speaks under oath, it could evolve into something

different. >> you put your finger on a good point. these things have a way of going out of control. you start in one place, you know. initially they thought white water was going to last six months, it lasted six years. it went in all kinds of different collections. in watergate, they thought the burglars would be out, cop a plea, go to jail and that's the end of it. it took a different direction, especially when the senate, in the course of the sentencing, it was in the nixon white house. it could go in different directions. i'd like to go on record that the president would not testify under oath. like he said he would release his taxes, this is a promise that would not be kept. >> the statements the president made yesterday when he was having that press conference with the president of romania do

you think that was the president going off cuff here? >> oh, it was absolutely president trump going off script, making claims he's probably going to not follow through on in the future, like erol was saying, i doubt the president is going to put himself in a situation where he could perjure himself if he is testifying before congress and says something that is not true and investigators are able to prove wasn't true. i think the white house counsel is advising him against doing anything of the sort and i would be dismayed if president trump testifies before a congressional committee having to do with the russian investigation and conversation with james comey, considering how likely the president is to go off script in a testimony and say something that would make things more complicated for him. >> tom, when you talk about

whether there's a recording or not a recording, is there a way the secret service could determine if there is a recording operation in the white house that is being utilized? >> i don't know about the secret service, christie, but technicians would have had to install it. we have had pretty much every president for the last 20 or 30 years record their conversations, record their phone calls. when you watch documentaries, the cnn documentryes of '60s, '70s, and '80s, you hear conversation that is were recorded to present day, whether they were meetings in the white house or oval office. to me, it would be unusual if there's not a taping system in the oval office. >> if there is no recording and it comes down to he said/she said, you have the president of

the united states versus the former head of the fbi. who wins? >> at this point, unless they come up with evidence and they haven't yet, to show the president engaged in collusion or his team engaged in it, that's the missing link in this thing. you know, i think, as i mentioned, the president is celebrating the fact that comey said he was not a subject, isn't a subject. as of the time i left the fbi, he wasn't the subject of investigation. imagine the frustration. if you are president trump and you have been told you are not under investigation and meantime, the rest of the political world and media are calling for your impeachment, calling for your head and you are not under investigation, but you can't say it. you want director comey to say it out loud. he finally did that during this hearing. >> tom, let me ask -- sorry, joey, i want to ask you, if the president says he's 100% willing to testify under oath, who will

mueller want to speak with first? certainly he's not going to call the president first and foremost. >> well, you know, no. the reality is, who knows what type, if any presidential cooperation he gets. i think there's a long list of people who mueller would want to speak to, including the members involved. i guess you would say the principles, the subordinates the adversaries -- >> what about michael flynn? >> yeah, the problem is michael flynn has something called a fifth amendment right. that is to not say anything if you are subject of an investigation or otherwise believe what you might say could incriminate you. the problem is, you can exercise your right not to testify. there is a whole slew -- there's a long list, we could spend all morning in terms of who i think the independent council would want to bring before him to get pertinent information.

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>> the trump/russia probe is moving full speed ahead with house and senate investigators. going off james comey's memos following the sworn testimony he gave against president trump, the president's response, comey is a liar and a leaker. >> the investigation -- >> i didn't say that. >> he lied about that? >> well, i didn't say that. i will tell you, i didn't say that. no collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker, but we want to get back to running our great country. >> independent special prosecutor bob mueller, we should point out is paying close attention here. according to the national law journal, he recruited deputy solicitor general michael dreeben. he's argued 100 cases before the

supreme court. his addition signals the court could be looking at obstruction of justice by the president. let's bring back the panel, erol lewis, gabby, cnn legal analyst joey jackson and cnn analyst and former fbi director, tom. i want to start with you, what does the addition of michael dreeben mean? >> he wants the soundest expert he can find but part of the department of justice. i don't think it's leading to obstruction of justice or away from it. a knowledgeable expert on the team regarding where the case could go and what it means. he would like that kind of authority at his side, especially when he announces

whatever decision he is going to announce at the conclusion of the case. >> joey, let me ask you the same question. when you see the make up of the team coming against you, the prosecution, can you make a good assumption of which way they are going based on the personnel of the team? >> martin, you really can't. i agree with tom's assessment, what you want to do when you are the leader of something, you want the best mind you possibly can. i think it gives insight with regard to the significance, the seriousness of the investigation and how solid is it. you want a team that gets to the heart of the matter. ultimately, what that does is gets you to a credible finding when you take conclusion one way or the other interviewing all

the witnesses, getting documents, reviewing it, looking at paper trails. once you do that and have an assessment, you want a number of credible people around you to point to them and say, listen, we have done our job, our due diligence, these are our findings. >> gabby, a lot has been made about the president's comment he had been vindicated by comey's testimony. is there anything that comy said that is beneficial to the president? >> well, i think more or less, it's what comey didn't say during the testimony on thursday that has -- that the white house views as positive for them. president trump said, james comey pointed out on three separate occasions as he submitted in the written testimony ahead of the panel on thursday and said again in front of these senators that he did tell the president that he was not under investigation on more

than one occasion, not a counter intelligence investigation. that is something the president claimed. i think, in that sense, it definitely proves what president trump was saying did have some truth to it. there were a number of other things comey said during the testimony that may help president trump make a case that, look, as we were saying earlier, may not have said specifically, i need your loyalty, but perhaps something different or produce it differently. i think there were a number of outstanding questions after the testimony on thursday that only president trump could answer under oath. that is why this is going to be so important going forward. it's why we are seeing mueller, the special council bring in additional hands to pursue the investigation. i think it signals there is a number of outstanding questions about this question, who is involved? who is being questioned? what evidence they have?

what evidence they are searching for. i spoke to a few former justice officials yesterday saying bringing in michael dreeben as a hand signals this is more complex than mueller thought going into it and that's why he needs back up. >> let me bring this into the discussion going to joey. the fired attorney who was let go by president trump despite being assured he would stay on tweeted this. michael dreeben is careful, nonpartisan and fair minded. his loyalty is to the constitution alone. given this high praise, how do you think he is going to add to this investigation? >> i think he will add significantly. look who he is. a fierce u.s. attorney. i have cases pending now and in the past.

they are meticulous in doing their job. he knows the players involved. i think it's very important, martin, we should say this, ultimately, we know in a partisan atmosphere, right, the democrats are hardened in their position and the republicans hardened in theirs. you want an investigation to be viewed as nonpartisan and evaluated based on the fact, not a witch hunt or something they are going after the president to do. if there's nothing there, we will say there is nothing there. ultimately, whether you are a democrat or republican, you are going to respect what we do and find. i think that tweet is significant. the loyalty is to the constitution. let the investigation go where it may. >> the longer the investigation goes, good or bad for the president? >> oh, bad. the president himself said, and we have reliable testimony from multiple sources including people not friendly to the

president, he feels there is a cloud over him. the way he got rid of general flynn. he's unable to drive a legislative agenda because congress is so busy with all of this. certainly, the press will not stop asking these questions. whatever the issue of the day is, whatever point the white house wants to get across, they are going to have to ask questions. they are greatly bogged down by this. the fact people have to lawyer up and take time with personal attorneys, pay the personal attorneys, gather documents, it's an enormous burden. this administration, keep in mind, has not been fully staffed. they are in a terrible position and have to do something to try to learn how to live with this. it looks like it is going to go on a while longer. >> i have to ask one more question because we saw sanders

saying she had no idea earlier this week whether there is a taping system or recording system in the white house. they made a comment about, sure, i'll try to look under the couches. she was asked whether she could find out that answer. what do you make of the president seemingly or the organization putting out people who cannot answer these questions. is that part of why these issues aren't going away? >> i think some of it has to do with the staff having learned the hard way in the first 140-odd days, if they are not 110% certain of something and certain has to mean, certain that the president will not come behind them and undermine them with a statement, tweet or insult of some kind, for their own professional reasons, they have to be careful about what they say. you have seen sean spicer do the same thing. a number of aides to the president, you have to ask him that or i'm not authorized to

say that. he keeps a lot of things close to the vest. they have a very hard time getting a consistent message. that, alone, accounts for the strange statements you hear from the press staff. they will try to joke about it and slip around it. they know the president might contradict them minutes later. >> somebody has to know there are tapes. it's a matter of when they are going to reveal it. >> they have to know what questions are going to be asked. i don't know. >> we'll take a break. joey, tom, thanks so much. errol and gabby, stick around. secretary of state rex tillerson wants to go easy on qatar. then a few hours later, his boss speaks and says the exact opposite. we'll be back with more. i feel it everyday. but at night, it's the last thing on my mind.

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business activities in the region. it has created a hardship on the people of qatar. the blockade is hindering u.s. military actions in the region and the campaign against isis. >> the time had come to call on qatar to end its funding. they have to end that funding. and it's extremists ideology in terms of funding. i want to call in all of the nations to stop, immediately, supporting terrorism. >> all right. you heard there, president trump. it seems he is not quite on the same page as his own secretary of state and what was said earlier in the day. at issue, at the end of the day, where to come down on the blockade of qatar and neighbors. >> three nations are against qatar, destabilizing the region.

earlier in the day, tillerson said the blockade could hurt the fight against terrorism. qatar hosts 11,000 u.s. troops. i have been to it, it is a massive facility. the white house official says the president's statements were consistent with what the secretary of state said even though it didn't sound that way. let's bring back our panel, cnn political commentator errol lewis and gabby with the new york post. gabby, are we making too much of this or did it sound like these two men were not talking about the same thing? >> yeah, i don't want to say this is a direct contradiction of what secretary of state, rex tillerson, said earlier in the day, but i think there needs to be a meeting between president trump and the secretary of state to discuss where they stand on this. it seemed as though, in the rose

garden what president trump was saying wasn't consistent with what tillerson said earlier in the day. qatar is a high level terrorism. secretary of state tillerson said we are seeing areas of our campaign against the islamic state being damaged by this stand off. i think there are a number of discussions that need to take place. look, this isn't the first time it's happened, where you have secretary of state tillerson's boss undermine what he said hours later in a subsequent tweet or statement or off the cuff remarks. i think this is a challenge this administration has faced in a diplomatic endeavor. >> i want to read something here, new york times reporting this is what a senior adviser had to say about it. the president is focused on ending terrorism. the secretary is focused on diplomacy to return gcc focus to

fighting terrorism. is it essentially the same thing just different viewpoints? >> i think it's a kind way of putting it. there's a certain amount of disarray or contradiction or minimum, lack of coordination between the white house and the state department, but, you know, let's keep in mind, this is not a dispute between a president and his secretary of state or a sort of confusion. this is a humanitarian crisis. something like 40% of the imports to qatar come through saudi arabia. they have been issuing dire warnings about what is happening and what is going to continue to happen as families continue to be separated. people are separated from employment. the economy is dwindling. the gulf cooperation council is falling into disarray in a part of the world where we can ill afford to have more shooting

wars happen. it's extraordinary that the portion of all of this that needs the most attention is the fact it appears cyber hackers, possibly russian, this is what cnn is reporting, are behind this. we are going from cyber war to shooting war or on the brink of it with real consequences for real people and then we have, you know, sort of a u.s. policy that either didn't anticipate this or can't react to it in a coherent, responsible way. >> gabby, only a few seconds left, but this is an example of words matter. we may take the president directly on his word or sort of. other nations following him follow every word he says. >> certainly they do. they are looking to him for leadership. it's important for him and

tillerson to be on the same page, disseminating the same message. that's the greatest challenge this administration faced so far is the inconsistencies seen between departments, agencies and the president and his own cabinet officials and white house officials. >> we have seen it on a number of levels, especially the international side. errol lewis, gabby, we appreciate you being here. details about the london bridge terror attack one week ago. the police say the ring leader was free on bail at the time. >> he had been arrested last october on fraud charges. british counterterrorism officials say his arrest was part of an effort to crackdown on islamic extremists for minor terror related crimes. london police are confirming they got a call about him at one

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engraved inside. not the best ring if you are a falcons fan to look at. it's creative. >> no doubt. andy, thank you. so, listen, ahead, i know it has been a heck of a week already but we have to look ahead and see what is coming in this russia investigation, including who else wants the memos james comey wrote and whether there's an investigation into obstruction of justice. >> we'll be back after a short break. [vo] what made secretariat the greatest racehorse who ever lived? of course he was strong... ...intelligent. ...explosive. but the true secret to his perfection...

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