/s [ applause ] >> who here by applause has a gun? [ laughter ] >> wait a minute. [ laughter ] >> i love it, this guy applauded then put his hand up, me! me! me! i got it! [ laughter ] >> but, you know, i realize as a kid, my mom had a gun and it was just on the top shelf on her closet. had a note next to it, wish a nigga would. and my dad is from alabama, yeah. you can't be from alabama and not have a gun. i asked my dad, did you ever have a gun? come here. follow him in the house.

he pulled the books, a wall opened. there was an elevator i didn't know about it. let's see something. [ laughter ] >> there's a russian dude down there just polishing guns. [ laughter ] >> dad! >> my name is w. kamau bell. as a comedian i made a living finding humor in parts of america i don't understand. and now i'm challenging myself to dig deeper. i'm on a mission to reach out and experience all the cultures and beliefs that add color to this crazy country. this is the "united shades of america." ♪ >> people seem to think that i'm totally biased against guns. now, some of that is my fault. i live in a peace and love capital of the united states, the san francisco bay area. i talk about hugs 75% more than the average person. and there's also this. woopsy.

okay, 100% of this is my fault. and even though hugs can actually be an effective self-defense technique, i'm not 100% against guns. it's just that some people are so into guns, like in a weird way, that i feel compelled to push back with stats like, in america there are more guns than there are people. up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year. i'm sure it's like cute puppies, though. let's not forget incidents like a raminder a, sandy hook, charleston, san bernardino, orlando, and i could go on. seriously, i could go on. >> what do we want? >> no more guns. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> see, the problem is people like me feel like we have to take the extreme other side just to be heard.

but lately i've been feeling like maybe i should get more involved in my second amendment rights, like should i actually own a gun? sometimes people get way too much up in their feelings about the idea. i say little things like this. >> just hard because there's all these conversations we have to have with racism. it's just, you know, it's bad right now. we have to have all these conversations. unfortunately we have to have them with white people. [ laughter ] >> i get feedback like this. just so you know, a lot of those words begin with the letter "n." and in today's climate where people show up to murder people based on completely fake news stories, let's be real. this is tv. and it's fun to do. but i want to make sure that my family is safe and there's nothing i wouldn't do to protect them, nothing. and, yeah, i get that guns can be used for protection. according to the nra, yep, i'm quoting the nra. up to 2 1/2 million people per year use guns to defend themselves, but hold on. according to the violence policy center, that number is 67,740.

but what's 2,043,000 people? a gun could be a good idea. did i say that? am i going to get a gun? but it's a big decision, like having a child or buying a drum set. so, it doesn't just affect me so i'm going to start by talking with the person in my life who usually knows best, melissa, my wife. so, obviously you know that like because of the job that i do, you know, i'm on tv talking about things that make people upset. >> yeah, a different level of threat than the average joe. >> yeah, sometimes they threaten all of us, sort of like i had this thought i never had before, like should i get a gun? you know? just seems to me like it's almost like i have a responsibility to let those

people know if you're coming from me, here's what you're going to find. my .357 magnum. >> it's a challenge you're issuing. what do you imagine a gun is going to solve in that scenario? >> in theory you could just grab the gun and go, look, i got a gun. not to be sexist, but i'm assuming it's a man who broke in the house. and they go. >> yeah. what is the lesson that we are teaching our kids? like what are we modelling for them? to instead of like play acting, that intimidation, instead to actually think through what else might be possible, like using your brain and your word than the skills that you've developed your entire life that you rely on every single day. >> is it not irresponsible to do all you can to protect your family, like just sort of exhaust, sort of have like malcolm x, by any means necessary? >> i knew i were going to say that. >> every day i try to work in a malcolm x quote. >> you need to have a detailed plan. >> go back, we have cash and bottles and water and an ipad

loaded up with -- for the girls. >> i will say if we're talking around the sort of hypothetical break-ins, like especially in this past year, i for the first time have had to really consider the fact that if some scenario like that is happening, i may not want to call 911 or the police because of what could potentially happen. and that's the thing that i never had to think about before. >> and specifically meaning because the cops show up -- >> and i have to detail my 911 call, and my husband is black and tall, and he'll be standing to his full height and he has an afro. don't shoot him. and that was always the go-to solution for me before. >> uh-huh. so what you're saying is i should go buy a gun. [ laughter ] >> how about this, how about i go look at guns and maybe even learn how to use them just to sort of get a sense of what's happening.

can i do that? >> yes. >> yeah, let me be clear i don't get to decide whether or not we have a gun. hey, i've got a gun. >> that's not -- >> it's not a new sandy mack book. >> nice one. >> great, my wife is going to let me buy a mac book. yeah, right.

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this country has to offer. my first baseball game, boring. my first election, exciting. hey, i was young. my first kkk cross burning, exhilarating. but that last one is partially why i'm about to buy my first gun. now the hard part. which gun is the gun for me? >> how are you doing. >> hi. >> what can i help you with? >> yeah, i'm looking to buy a gun, i guess. >> cool. >> it's for i guess what's called home defense. >> okay. >> like the honda crv of guns, you know, a good family-size gun. >> right in front of us we've got a cz-75 b compact. >> okay. >> so, if that magazine had rounds in it you would pull the slide back, the magazine would go forward automatically. >> this is complicated. if somebody broke into my house,

i'd be like hold on a second, let me get out the instruction manual. >> here's something with a nice long barrel. it's a smith and wesson. >> oh, wow. ♪ >> this is like a dirty harry gun. .357 magnum, smith and wesson. this is like a gun i grew up with. growing up in the '70s, guns had revolvers. i never felt more american in my life. [ laughter ] >> it's a good pick. >> thank you, thank you. okay, i've got a gun. yea! >> i need to get your driver's license. you're a first time buyer. in california they want you to take a 30-question today. >> a test? no one said anything about a test. that's pretty much my reaction to all tests. >> to see if you are competent enough to own a firearm in california. this shouldn't be too hard at all.

>> okay. >> however, some people have failed it. >> how many can i miss? >> you can miss 7. here's a pen for you. >> okay, i'll do this the way i did in the old days. do the easy ones first, come back and at some point it will be random guessing. here we go. really, i'm not worried. after all, like all my job applications say, i did attend some college. no, i'm at c. when your firearm and ammunition are not in use, you should make sure they're not accessible to anyone. test. >> liking it? >> i think so. >> how did we do here? >> palms are sweaty. mom's spaghetti. >> you got 30 out of 30. congratulations. >> woo! 30 out of 30, i haven't done that well on a test in my life. >> congratulations, you are now legal to buy a firearm in the state of california because you have a firearm safety shirt. >> i bought that gun in less time than it's going to take

most of my liberal friends to unfriend me. >> i may want to hit you up for a $25 background check. i'm going to send this to the department of justice. >> what would prohibit me? >> assault and battery, any felony conviction. >> not making fun of the president's retweets, that's not going to stop me? >> no. >> good. >> california has a cooling off period. it's 240 hours to the minute, second. it will allow me to release the gun and that's it. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you for everything. we'll see you when you get back. >> appreciate it. i'll be back in 240 hours. finally a chance to use one of those cool action movie count down clocks. beep, beep, beep. california is one of the first states to impose more stringent gun control laws back in the

1960s. and whose fault is that? well, this is one of the few times that black people are going to get blamed for something that i'm going to agree with, but not in the way you think. fed up with the routine police brutality in the black communities of oakland, a small group led by hughy newton and bobby seal created the black panther party. they used their second amendment right to protect their neighborhoods from the police. they fed kids free breakfast every morning. unsurprisingly, some people, some white people weren't too happy with the idea of black people exercising their civil rights. so, california republicans created the mull ford act which made it illegal for anyone to open carry. when state lawmakers met to vote on the bill in sacramento, the black panther party marched with their guns to protest. despite their efforts, governor ronald reagan signed the bill into law. but the moment made a statement and led to a significant increase in panther membership

across the nation. today i have the privilege to talk with black panther leader erica huggins. we are meeting at the oakland museum to celebrate the 50th anniversary. there is even a movie being made about them. oops, did i get that wrong? they're not going to talk about things the black panthers did actually changed laws and policies. >> yes. >> one of those famous and talked about moments with the black panthers is when you all arrived at the state capital using your right to bear arms. >> uh-huh, i wasn't there but i remember seeing the footage over and over again. it was remarkable. >> yeah. >> we were a wake up call. ♪ >> i thought it was kind of the theater of the streets that, oh, did you really mean california is an open carry state? [ laughter ] >> one of the things that drew me was the concept of self-defense, defending your

community. no, you can't come and just stomp us, jail us for no reason. we were americans. but we weren't seen that way because, as it was said, we didn't know our place. >> the panthers were putting together like the idea, are guns and self-defense always part of that idea? >> originally it was part of the thinking, but it's heart breaking so many of my friends were killed because of guns. >> uh-huh. >> and the instance of john huggins and al prentics bunchy carter, they were paid to orchestrate an event at ucla that would end in their deaths. >> erica husband john was the leader of the los angeles chapter of the panthers. he and fellow member carter were both ucla students meeting about the formation of a black studies department when they were shot by another black activist organization.

but many, like me and everybody i know, believe he was killed by a j. edgar hoover led fbi program go and tell probe who worked to dismantle the group. >> it didn't have a name then, the counter intelligence fbi program of the fbi. but we knew something was happening. we were pretty brave and naive. and here we are, violent at a systemic level and still the same. and a lot of it has to do with the power of weaponry. will it change in my lifetime? i used to think that it would. we had a slogan, revolution in our lifetime. that's what i meant by naive. isn't there a more compassionate way? can we talk and lock? can we do that? >> thank you for talking to me. i appreciate it. >> thank you for talking to me. >> this is great.

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in today's world they say time moves a lot faster than it used to. for example, ten days goes by as fast as a commercial break. that's right, it's time for the tv show that america has been waiting for. lefty with a gun. time to say good-bye to our old friend the count down clock. power down, buddy. thank you for your service. i'm back. >> here to pickup your gun? >> how did i do? >> you were approved. >> all right. >> in california it's illegal for you to drive around or go anywhere that is not in a locked case. >> i need some ammo for the gun so i can try it out. what kind of bullets are these? >> i'm giving you some 30 special. >> a .357, what's the difference? literally the point is hollow? >> yes, definitely bigger. >> and what's the hollow point do? >> the idea behind it is to expand. when it does hit its intended target, it stops inside the intended target to do more internal damage, where ball ammo is going to go through and through and through. >> in my mind when you said hollow point bullets, sir, those are the ones for the movies, they're the real bad ones.

>> you don't want the other bullet going into your neighbor's house. >> you make a good point, sir. my other question, this isn't related. but what's the difference between buying a gun here and buying it at a gun show? >> so, in california, every gun transfer must be done -- we're a federal firearms licensee. you will do the same thing, wait ten days. >> that's a nice gun, $500, thank you. >> not from a federal firearms licensee. that's a myth. >> okay. what you can do in some states, not in california, you might go to a gun show and the individuals may have a gun to sell. then they'll strap it on their shoulder and they'll walk around with a little for sale sign on it and you can do a person to person transfer that way. but it's not necessarily a gun show. >> yeah. >> that can be done in that entire state anywhere. >> is there paperwork that goes into that? >> no. >> okay, all right. in case you were wondering which states would hypothetically allow the bad guys die hard one

sell to bad guys 2 without any regulations, here you go. for those keeping score, that is 60% of the states. thank you for the education and letting me bring the cameras in here. cnn, no, black guy? absolutely not. [ laughter ] >> so, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> wrap this up, charge it to anderson cooper. >> you got it. >> in movies and tv, when a gun gets introduced, only a matter of time before it goes off. didn't know this show would have a check-off reference, did you? i better figure out how to

handle this thing before it does. and i've already got a side kick to help me out. >> go ahead and get some of the safety stuff knocked out first and go ahead and put some rounds on target. >> yeah, we don't have to knock it out. we can do it nice and slow. >> make sure it's pointed down range. gun always pointed in a safe direction. open that up, point it down range. even if it magically happened to get its own life and go off right now, it's not going to hurt anybody. >> a gun that magically doesn't come to life and doesn't hurt anyone, there's a pixar movie i'd like to watch with my kids. pixar, can i be the hollow point bullet exploding? >> set up your stance, make the finger gun. you want to be square up to your target. the gun is going to recoil a little bit. you have to know this is called an isocelese stance. you don't want to bend your neck. a nice smooth pull. those are the main fundamentals. do you feel like putting a

couple down range? >> let's do it. >> close that cylinder for me. got your stance. go ahead and pull that camera all the way back. and very slowly give me a gentle trigger pull. there you go. now, you're just a tiny bit left, but that's perfect. that's the best first shot i've ever seen i think. >> i was going to say i didn't even see it, but i see it right there. wow. that's it? okay. can we imagine it went exactly through the same -- >> i think it did. >> yeah, went exactly through the same. it's totally -- that's how accurate i am.

>> there you go. just a little high. >> you're saying a little high. i thought i would be all over the place. >> no, you're fine. it's just that extra level of safety. >> so, it's a lot to remember. >> it is. and it takes a lot of rounds to practice to get this perfect. there you go. watch that gun. keep it pointed -- >> it's okay, gun, we'll be all

right. >> let's do one more thing. give me three rounds right on that number 7 as close to that 7 as you can. >> okay. >> keep going. what happened there? >> wait a minute, how many did i fire? you tricked me. this is 33% of cop movies. how many did he fire? >> i don't expect you to count anybody else's shots, but you have to know what condition your gun is in. >> i got gun punked. pull it back and see? >> actually, you know what? look at your first two. look at that, wait a minute, hold on a second, everybody. >> those two rounds right there. your first two shots out of this gun touched each other. [ laughter ] >> i've never been this good at anything in my life. >> i think you should tryout for the olympics. >> do you know how bad i was at comedy for years before i got this close to the target? what if i'm good at this, what if i missed my calling? >> thank you. keep that one. >> yeah, i'll frame it. i'm sure my wife is going to be excited about this.

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the only reason i would ever want to do open carry, if i'm honest about it, is just so i could do that one line from boys in the hood, ice cube, oh, we have a problem here? that's the only reason. [ laughter ] >> i would actually ever want to do open carry. oh, we have a problem here? i don't have a problem here. i just wanted to do that. sorry. [ laughter ] >> which is i'm sure what ice cube did after that take. ah, ah. [ laughter ] >> just kidding, ice cube. no beef, please. as much as i'd love to stay amongst my bay area liberal friends, i'm headed to atlanta, georgia. in georgia, citizens can openly carry firearms with a permit like a real live west world. i'm here to see what southerners have to say about guns in america. so, what are your thoughts on

guns? >> i think everybody should be able to own a gun for protection, especially single mothers in the house. i tell all the women i know, get a gun. you have a gun? this ain't the movies. you can't pickup a bat. >> growing up on the west side of atlanta, did you see guns? >> i've seen them, not played with them. >> do you have friends that were victims of gun violence? >> definitely, ones who pulled the trigger, ones caused by one. >> i like the idea of having the freedom to defend myself, whether it's with a tree branchs or my couch. >> a couch? does that mean you lift the couch up? >> it could be pieces. [ laughter ] >> walking down the street. it's open couch carry. you see people walking around here openly carrying? >> i hate it. everybody is angry about something. we could be in wal-mart and i bump you, you bump me. you got on the trump shirt. i got on a --

>> is that a real shirt? >> i can make it. >> i will buy the hell out of that shirt. we don't have a gun problem. we have a heart problem. >> okay. >> there's no sanctity of life. >> are you a gun owner? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. how's your heart? >> it's good. >> okay, good. >> i'm retired police officer. >> oh, you are? >> i was shot at three times in my career, never fired a shot. >> oh, really, how long were you a police officer? >> 27 years. >> 27 years without firing a shot? >> i didn't have a clear target. >> thank you, sir. i feel like we don't hear police officers say that enough. how do you feel when you see footage of police officers like that guy who shot the guy in the back running away? >> i feel sad. there are far more officers that don't shoot a shot than there are that do shoot. the ones that do shoot the shots, they're on the news at 6:00.

>> i hear you, i hear you. appreciate it, good talking to you. it's not breaking news that southerners love them some guns, but 30 miles outside of atlanta it's kenisaw, georgia. a town that seems to love guns more than kanye loves kanye. here gun ownership isn't a right or a choice. it's -- well, read the t-shirt. that's right, in kenisaw, it's the law for all households to own a gun. to learn more i'm hitching a ride with the police lieutenant craig grade en. >> when people around the country hear about kenisaw it's for one reason. every household has to have a gun. >> kind of the two reasons they passed the ordinance. back in 1982, a suburb of chicago passed an ordinance banning handguns from their city limits. that caused a reaction from the elected officials here wanting to support second amendment rights.

and back in the early '80s, there were some fear with increase of population crime may come with it. but the language is if you're morally opposed, you're not required. >> how often do you have gun violence or gun programs here? >> not very often. we have a very low violent crime rate. we've had a couple homicides over a four-year, five-year period. our crime is the national average. we have one of the lowest crime rates for the adjusted metro areas. it is lower adjusted. accidental shootings are rare as well, same with suicides. >> like lieutenant grade en said, you can't shove a gun in every man and woman's hand no matter what you learn from john wick. >> this is the magic pill to apply to every community or city. is your community going to have enough responsible gun owners that you won't have potential problems. there is a culture of violence, so to speak, that seems to affect a lot of different communities. >> you don't feel like there is

a cultural violence here? >> not like i've seen in other cities. maybe because, you know, military impact here because of all the military bases in georgia and the area and culture of growing up around firearms and hunting that might have helped somewhat to help instill that responsible gun ownership. >> yeah, yeah. >> if you choose to be a gun owner, then you need to go through some training. >> you may have stumbled onto something that's brilliant, going into communities affected by gun violence and having gun safety workshops. more knowledge is better, you know? >> how do we convince young people that firearms are not the solution to everything? >> yeah, yeah, just old school. put down the gun and square off. >> yeah. >> kenishaw shows the benefits of gun safety training. atlanta puts their own spin on

the concept. i'm here for training with a fit shooter and 6-pack. thank you for inviting me to your gym. this morning i woke up and my arm was hurting. that's like shooting a gun for 20 minutes. that's how out of shape i am. >> it is for that reason i created art fit. it stands for armed response kals then i cans and fitness. >> when i heard about this, in my mind i was picturing some kind of gun class mixed with taibo. they do kicks and punches, but you can't kick once you learn. this is a fitness class with guns where you are learning safe gun handling. >> absolutely. no blanks. i was going to say that. >> we can fight, but i don't know the taibo students can fight. no offense, billy blanks. you know i love you, i've seen all your movies. let's do this. >> i want to show you how to

hold that gun properly. you'll have it face down. excellent. that's safe low ready. >> safe low ready. thought we were a member of the woo tang clan. safe low ready. >> we're going to start with squat low. knees in. great trigger discipline. let's move on to the next element. knee, song. just extend that gun out. boom. good. you sit up again. take the shot. good. now use your abs here. drive. now punch out. excellent. two in, two out. eat cheese, stepping off the line of attack. boom. good. what's your daughter's name? >> sammy. >> put her on your shoulder. get that gun away from her, get it on me. good. one more, one more. nice. you got me. >> wo ooh! >> that's shooting, brother.

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i'm still in georgia where it seems like people love guns more than they love their famous peaches. wait a second, note to self. invent peach-scented guns. i can't stop thinking about my wife melissa's concerns about counting on the police for help. because her feelings are legit. the police keelgz of all ton sterling in new orleans and fa lan dough ka still show what black men face in law abiding. today i'm with gun instructor sam hayes who teaches a seminar on carrying while black. because, yes, you need special classes for that. and the nra ain't teaching it. >> one of the things that we have to take in consideration in the time that we live in as african-american males is the perception that society has created about who we are with law enforcement interactions

while being gun owners as well. i look at you brothers and i think each one of you has something about your physicality that could cause a person to misidentify what our intentions are. you're a large man. you have the beard and the stone-cold gaze, the dread locks, people tend to stereotype dread locks. you look like an r & b singer. it's something you have to think about. any concerns about this type of thing and how you might handle that. >> after philando castile, tlgs a big debate about how you get pulled over. it's a mine field. >> if you were wearing a gun on your person and traffic escalates to a point where you have to step out of the car, put your hands on the hood of your car and say, officer, i want to advise you, i am legally armed and then you let them give you direction. now, should we have to do that? that's the debate. as a african-american gun owner, you need to be a layman's expert on what your state laws are regarding your right to carry. here in georgia we don't have

say duty to advise so there should not be any repercussions to them finding a firearm on your person. i got pulled over on a traffic stop once. i was asked to get out of the car. i was asked to get out of the car. my registration was expired. i said, are you going to pat me down? he said, do you have guns? i said i have multiple. i have a glok, knives, and expandable baton. i didn't do anything wrong. as a police officer, he dropped the ball not patting me down. >> where were you headed armed like that? you generally walk around like that? >> i generally do. the last thing i want to do if i get involved in a situation where i have to use a gun to take a human life is explain to the courts that the only thing that i was willing to do to defend myself was to shoot somebody. >> the thing is when i hear your story, because you say my

registration is bad, i'm like, you know -- >> that's a ticket. >> for a white man or white women, registration is bad it's a ticket. >> this is why it's so critical for us as african-american gun owners, to shoot, our defense training is to understand what the laws are. i want to thank you guys for coming. sea can we shoot now? [ laughter ] >> in addition to the class, sam has agreed to give me a one on one range tutorial on a home invasion situation. by the looks of this place, i could train for zombie apocalypse 2. that would be like my wife there. >> yes, it's about to get real. all right. line is hot. shooter ready.

[ shots fired ] >> all right, take your finger off the trigger. all right. let's talk about what happened here. so, if you look at the two targets that don't have the added stress of having a loved one in it, you got great hits. on the one where the hostage situation -- >> my wife. >> you have that miss, let me put that in perspective for you. that round just went through your window and in the neighbor's house across the street where their 3-year-old child is laying in bed and that round just hit that 3-year-old child. >> when i realized i hit him the first time, the second time i

was, yea, i didn't hit my wife. i wasn't thinking about the 3-year-old across the street. >> one thing i tell people in my class, every shot has two things attached to it. a jail sentence and a lawyer. for this being your first time really getting involved and something at this level, i give you a b-plus here. >> that's cool. thank you. and i'm also happy, two black guys holding guns, cops didn't show up. >> nobody showed up. >> nobody showed up. i feel pretty good about that, too. i appreciate you, sam. >> you did really good.

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they lost their youngest son, 14-year-old jawan to gun violence a few months before we sat down. as a dad, i know idea how they're able to talk about this so soon. >> thank you for sitting down and talking to me. thanks for welcoming me into your home. first of all, tell the story of what happened. >> on april 3rd, our sons went to savannah to visit for spring bre break. you could hear the urgency in his voice, my oldest son. mom, you all need to get to savannah, jawan has been shot. i literally fell to the floor. i was screaming and hollering. my husband had just gotten in from work. i said, we've got to go. >> as i was driving i felt like i was about to pass out. and being a husband and a father, i was trying to stay strong, like, it's just -- i

can't imagine, you know. i have two daughters i can't -- i can't imagine. >> we finally reached savannah. we went to the hospital. our oldest son approached us in the parking lot. the first words he said, he didn't make it. i, at that moment, just fell. our whole world just opportunity. >> that day was just unbelievable. >> yeah. >> the detective came to my mom's house about 1:30 that morning. he said something happened, we're not sure. i said who you are the suspects. he said well, the suspect really is your nephew. this is my brother's stepson. this is someone he was close with. they're pretty much the same age. our whole family was sworn apart. >> there was no idea it was malicious. >> no, just being negligent and reckless. >> we want to make it known, you

know, it's not a kid that wasn't into things he shouldn't have been in and letting him go away. this is something -- >> it's very for, ez specially in the news, you dealt with this, turn this into a typical black youth with a gun, blah blah blah. and it's important, like you say to, recapture the narrative and straighten the facts out. >> we as a voice. >> what's your other son's name. >> taiwan, how is he doing with this? >> it's difficult for him. right now, he's trying to move on, but that was his baby brother. you just want to grab your head and scream and say, what can we do? what needs to be done. >> the mcdowell's strategy is not uncommon. in recent study by the ap in usa today. minor's die in unintentional

shooting every single day. if you can hear that and still not think america needs to do something about gun safety, then i don't know what to tell you. >> families are being torn. i got online and i reached out, i was on facebook like mess messaging. i looked it up and told my husband, we have to get involved. it effects communities, not just the family. >> feels like you led the charge to get in charge here. our black mothers always have to become the spokes people during tragedy. our tears matter. >> what are your thoughts about gun issue. >> we know it's about gun safety and gun sense. are there any guns in the home? that's an important question that we have to ask. this is my brother's home. >> i can't even imagine, it's something sending my kids over

to somebody's house for a play date saying, do you have guns in your house. it feels nosey and yet lives are lost. >> yeah, so many unintentional deaths. where ruling them is accidental, but they're 100% preventable. >> i am certainly learning from you today. you've turned one person around. i'm sure you've turned one person around. we need to get our, you know, we have a five and a half-year-old. she's old enough to find the christmas presents certainly. she has several time. she's open to be in somebody's house and stumble across the gun. your son becomes a symbol of hope and symbol for a brighter future. >> that's the journey that we're on now and we're trying our best. you know, we struggle every day. every day is a struggle. we're thinking about milestones that we're missing. we look at the pictures as we get wrinkle and gray hairs.

he'll forever be that same picture that we have. we have to keep those memories in our hearts up. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you. i never imagined myself as a gun owner. i never allowing myself getting along with gun advocates. i never imagine that i would be a good shot, but i am. the question remains, do i keep the gun? while the second amendment guarantees my right to bear arms, the first, third, fourth, fifth and ninth amendment say, it's none of your damn business. the whole point of this episode is to make people watching the show, put the idea in their head there's a gun in the house. we're not going to tell them whether there is or not.

i'm going to have to see if he kept that gun. as long as that mess sang is out there, mission accomplished. >> nice one. >> yeah.