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in to the fire. that charity baseball game which is scheduled for tomorrow will go on. and it is time now for anderson. >> good evening from washington, there's a lot going on tonight, news breaking right now on the russian investigation, and it directly involves the president of the united states. it comes at the end of a very difficult day. four people who work in the buildings around me, including steve scalise, the third ranking republican after the speaker of the house. today the actions of a would-be mass killer tore apart human bodies, assaulted the body politic perhaps in the ugly service of some misbegotten
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agenda that ushered the shooter into a long line of people practicing violence of all strife, all of it senseless. we have been through this before, whether it's oklahoma city, or tucson, arizona or gabby giffords or sanity hook. it didn't just happen, someone did it. he is dead. the fbi wants your help. if you know anything about him, which is the only reason we're showing hiss picture, james hodgkinson. investigators believe he had been in the washington area living in his vehicle since march. we are not however making this newscast about him, mainly tonight we'll focus on the survivors and the first responderings and everyone else who stepped up and who continue to step up in the wake out mass shooting this morning, an attack on republicans and staffers practicing for a charity ball game tomorrow. noah nathan was walking his dog
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and shot this video, we have edited it somewhat for time. >> what's going on? where is this guy? [ gun fire ] [ gun fire ]
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>> do you know where he's at? >> he's behind home plate. >> i assume people have been calling 911 already? >> they better be. [ gun fire ] >> [ bleep ]. >> hey, is that guy okay out there? has that guy been shot? is he okay? is anybody talking to him? [ sirens ] [ gun fire ] >> [ bleep ].
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>> stay down! stay down! [ gun fire ] >> [ bleep ]. [ gun fire ] >> put it down! put it down! [ gun fire ] >> shoot him! >> [ bleep ]. >> when the shoot-out was over, the gunman was mortally wounded.
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congressman scalise sustained a gunshot wound to the hip. he's in critical condition right now. two police officers were hurt, one was shot, one authorities are calling a secondary injury. lobbyist mike micah was shot and severely wounded. zach barth was also shot. first of all, thank you so much for being with us. >> how are you doing? >> i'm doing good. >> your foot's in a -- >> i've got a problem with my lmy -- >> but i'm okay. >> when the shots began, i understand that you were hitting, what, ground balls to -- >> actually i was on the third base side hitting ground balls to trent kelly. and i finished with him and went
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around, and at that moment, the perp prate for had to be to yards to the side of me. i came around and i hit a ground ball to scalise. my first thought was a car was backfiring, but then they started coming one after another. and everyone started yelling, he's got a gun, take cover. one of my young men that works for me, zach barth was in the outfield, and he got hit. >> was he aware he was hit? >> he was aware that he was hit, and he dove into the dugout. as luck would have it, he dove on to me and we both held each other. and mo brooks took his belt off to keep him from bleeding any
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further. there's a lot of heroes today, but if the capitol police had not been there, i believe we would all have been dead. we had nothing, we were at baseball practice, we had bats. and the shooter just was, he was trying to get in the field, another blessing was that the gate on the third base side, the gate was locked so he could not get into the field. >> could you see the shooter once you were in the dugout? >> i never saw the shooter. a lot of my colleagues did, because they were at different angles. but one thing we didn't want to do is stick our heads out of the dugout. fortunately it was a dugout that was not in the ground, it was flat, that was a blessing too. i didn't see it but i heard it, but that thin blue line, it worked today, the capitol police. >> the two capitol police
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officers were injured in this. were you aware that they were returning fire? i mean could you hear the volley of shots? >> it was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and we with respect aware, and looking up, i could sei see one of the capitol police started firing. and i remember, is that our fire or his fire? but it seemed to go on forever. the police, i think i saw or ahead that they got there within three or four minutes. >> the alexandria police? >> the alexandria police, but it seemed like forever. a lot of my colleagues had their cell phones, and i didn't have my cell phone, but they were calling 911 to make sure that we got people here. >> were you aware that the shooter was down at the end? >> we were all down, and then the shots just stopped. but nobody wanted to move. but then the police said, let's go, and they took us to a
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staging area, all of us, so they could find out who was there and so forth. and then, of course, steve scalise was taken care of by a few of my -- a few of my colleagues that were there to help him. and zach barth, my young man that works for us. we got him to the hospital. >> how is he doing? >> he's doing great. we got his dad up from houston and his dad and he are together tonight. he's been released out of the hospital. it's another blessing that we saw today, that he along with the others are safe. >> thankfully we had the presence of mind to get off the field. >> he got shot in right field. we're not sure which bullet that was, but he made it all the way to the dugout just saying i'm shot, i'm shot. >> we're in a time where there's nothing wrong with having strong
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political beliefs, but to have your beliefs make you think it's appropriate to do this is just sickening. >> this country wasn't built on this, it was built on fair elections and debate. but i think this has brought congress together. we can agree to disagree, but in the end, we're one, and we represent the people of america, and america is one of the best countries in the world. america never gives in, never gives up. i've got many, many friends on the democratic side and we share a lot of common values together one of which is baseball. and the game tomorrow is going to go on. >> you think it important that game go on? >> we talked to the speaker, we talked to congressman ryan, should we play the ball game. and if we don't play the ball
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game, they will think we lost our will. we will play the ball game, it's for charity and i hope that that stadium is filled to capacity. >> you and all the others, thank you so much. >> i appreciate the capitol police. >> thank you very much. a lot of heroic work by law enforcement today. we got word we're expecting the president to visit the hospital where congressman scalise is being treated. sanjay gupta joins us now. congressman scalise is in critical condition after being shot in the hip. >> reporter: the types of injuries in the hospital. there are no organs in that area, but there are blood vessels that have been injured and you have a lot of bones, with this sort of injury, you
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can also have the abdomen affected as well. we don't know the extent of his injuries, what we do know is that he was reported by his office to at that time be stable, to be in good spirits, to be talking to his wife on the cell phone. by the time he arrived at the hospital, by helicopter, five to ten minutes away, he was listed in critical condition at that point. within a few minutes, being described from going from stable to critical condition, and that typically means that your heart rate and blood pressure are no longer stable. that's a concerning condition. he was in the operating room for several hours and he remains in critical condition. that's how the hospital as sort of described him. and i should point out, they're not saying he's in critical and stable condition, which they could describe, just critical condition. that's obviously concerning. we don't know what that all means in terms of specific
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injuries, but we know they have been trying to address those injuries most of the day today, anderson. >> that was a handgun, and a rifle, both of which were recovered at the scene, in terms of injuries, there's different kinds of injuries that each can cause. >> because it has a longer barrel, the bullet can just travel much faster. that's the sort of most important point. the bullet traveled faster, that speed of the bullet is one of the most important predictors of just the kind of injury that's going to be caused. that's why a rifle injury is going to be much more concerning from a medical perspective than a handgun injury. even without -- it can cause a blast injury to the body that even if it doesn't necessarily come in the range of blood vessels, just the blast can cause injuries that the medical team, the trauma team has to anticipate and think about. and given, again, that he seemed to be described by his office as
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stable, and then within a short time, five to ten minutes, depending on how long that transport was, was in critical condition, you have to sort of these of what happened during that time, was there bleeding or was there something else that caused them to change his condition? >> we wish him the very best. we'll have more on the investigation coming from the chief of the capitol hill police. "the washington post" reporting that robert mueller's obstruction of justice investigation now reaches to the very top. i'm ryan and i quit smoking with chantix. i tried to quit cold turkey. i tried to quit with the patch; that didn't work. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. for me, chantix worked. it reduced my urge to smoke. compared to the nicotine patch, chantix helped significantly more people quit smoking.
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going to return to this morning's shooting in a moment. but "the washington post" reporting that robert mueller's russia investigation now includes the president and whether or not he obstructed justice. adam, this is extraordinary reporting, it's your reporting, explain to our viewers why it's so significant? >> i think you really need to understand that when comey spoke to the senate intelligence committee last week, he had assured, he explained how he had assured trump that he wasn't being investigated personally. so what we have learned here is
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in fact there was a change within the fbi and they were investigating him for potential obstruction. and what we learned also is that there were a series of interviews that the special counsel had arranged with top intelligence officials potentially as part of that investigation. >> and based on your reporting, that change came about, as i understand it, because of the firing of comey. >> and obviously comey testified that that was his intention in leaking the memos, detailing his communications with the president. and so, you know, it's what we learned is actually that this decision to open this file if you will on trump was made actually before the special counsel was actually named, which is just a few days later. >> but, i mean, for president trump, the irony is his own actions in firing comey actually led to then this evolution of --
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it ultimately led to the special counsel, but it also ultimately led to the special counsel investigating him or obstruction. >> when you think about it, comey in his first meeting with then president-elect trump, that he's not a target, he's trying to reassure him. and at the same time, you know, he's obviously taking notes, after the fact of everything that trump says to him during that meeting and in subsequent meetings, so you can sort of understand why trump was so frustrated. he was getting private assurances from comey that he was not the subject personally of this investigation. but publicly, comey would not say these things. so i think you get to the frame of mind here where it's understandable that trump would have been frustrated. what we don't know is after the
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fbi decides to investigate potential obstruction in this case, is the president informed? is there an effort to try to correct this impression, this assurance that comey had provided to trump, we don't know the answer to that. >> you also report that the director of national intelligence dan coats, as well as mike rogers, former deputy, they're going to cooperation with special counsel. rogers and coats were pretty stand offish last week in special session. is one of the reasons they did not want to go into detail is they had already been asked to appear before mueller? >> we don't know the answer to that, we don't know if -- i mean that makes sense, that's a logical way of interpreting this. i think, you know, rogers did appear before the senate intelligence committee earlier this week behind closed doors and in contrast to his public appearance earlier, in that
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closed door session he was more forthcoming about a phone call that he received from trump towards, in march, in which basically the president had asked rogers, a similar call was made to coats, asking them to publicly dispute that there was any evidence of coordination between the trump campaign and the russians. >> even if he does find evidence that the president tried to obstruct justice, it's not clear, and it seems unlikely that the department of justice would bring criminal charges against a president of the united states, that is something that would be done on capitol hill, they would try to, whatever mueller found, it would really be up to capitol hill to figure out what to do with it. >> it becomes a political
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decision, is there going to be sufficient movement on the hill to go with an impeachment option. obviously i'm pretty skeptical that that step would be taken at least at this point. the thing to keep in mind here, we are reporting tonight that there is this expansion of the investigation to include obstruction, but there was also a previous expansion that was looking into jared kushner, to the son-in-law to the president and top advisor, for the senate intelligence committee to go after kushner, that doesn't meet the same high requirements that it would be for going after the president, if such a decision were taken. and i do want to caution here, that this is obviously something that may never result in accusations being brought in terms of charges by the special
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counsel. he may take a look at comey's testimony, he may interview comey, he may interview these other people and decide there is no obstruction, or certainly no case that he can bring on obstruction, really this is a preliminary moment, we're seeing a file being opened here in the fbi to basically look at obstruction, that doesn't mean where mueller is going to go in the end. >> adam, extraordinary reporting as usual. thank you for your time. >> our panel is going to talk about this, and we're going to talk about the latest shooting, what we know about the shooter and about the conditions of the others who were injured. we'll be right back. a1c wasn'te it needed to be. so i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me with once-weekly trulicity.
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there's certainly a lot to talk about. jeff toobin, "the washington post" reporting is accurate and i think it's based on five sources, how big a deal is it for the president of the united states to be a subject of investigation by the department of justice? >> anderson, it's a huge deal, and i don't feel bad saying i told you so. when you first heard about the conversation where the president tried to get comey to drop the investigation, and he fired him when he didn't drop the investigation, that is obstruction of justice. when you combine it with the apparent conversations between trump and the director of national intelligence, the director of the nsa, trying to stop this investigation in other ways, that's worth investigating someone for obstruction of justice. doesn't mean that trump is guilty. doesn't mean there's going to be
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an indictment an impeachment or anything like that. but there is clearly evidence that justifies an investigation and this tremendous scoop by "the washington post" just makes clear that mueller is doing his job, and we'll see how it goes. >> and gloria, the irony of this is that the president was told three times by robert mueller that he was not a subject of any investigation by the fbi, i mean, comey. and now he is. >> this is all kind of self-sabotage, if you think about it. because if he hadn't fired comey, comey would not have believed perhaps that the president was obstructing. and as he testified, once he got fired, it's clear, he didn't say obstruction, but it's clear that that was what was going on in his mind, and then he decided when the president mentioned there might be tapes, he decided to leak a memo through a friend
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that wound up in the newspapers and in the "new york times." >> with the idea of getting a special counsel? >> because he wanted mueller to know about this. and that is why a special counsel was appointed. so when you look at this whole events, all of them, you have to think, that in a way, donald trump did this to himself. >> and david, i mean we're judicious with the watergate comparisons, you worked with richard nixon, it wasn't the scandal that brought him down, it was the collusiobstruction. >> gloria's point's well taken, but i think in every case where there's been a special counsel appointed by the justice department, it is because the person being investigated brought it upon himself. nixon said to david frost after the president, what happened he was asked, he said i gave my
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enemies a sword and then they ran me through. and trump may have done the same thing. we must be cautious as adam pointed out, there's been no findings of guilt on any of these things, but this is a quote, major turning point in what mueller and the special counsel is doing. there's now a three-pronged investigation of donald trump and the people around him. first is the investigation into russia and in the meddling was there coordination with trump and associates. the second is whether there's any financial crimes committed by any of the parties and now we have this third prong, investigation of the president himself on possible obstruction of justice, and mueller, we also know has now -- is now hiring a first class, very tough minded team of investigators. some of the real pros that are out there are coming to join
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him. so this is taking a major turn and it's potentially much more dangerous for donald trump than what this started with and that is the russian issue. >> jeff toobin, dan coats and nsa director admiral mike rojs, they're cooperating with the special counsel, as i assume james comey is, but coats and rogers came under a lot of criticism about not being forthcoming with the president. the president didn't invoke executive privilege, they just said they didn't want to talk about it. is it possible that now one of the reasons they didn't want to talk about it is because they knew this was being investigated by mueller? >> i wouldn't read their minds in that way, i don't know what they were thinking, but i do know that they are out of options to refuse to talk about it. because now that there is an obstruction of justice
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investigation, if mueller wants to call them before the grand jury, even if donald trump decides to invoke executive privilege about their conversations, the court also almost certainly reject that, because in 1974, in the supreme court case of the united states v nixon, the united states said that in criminal investigations, trump by and large executive privilege, so coats and the nsa director are going to tell their story one way or another, i don't know what that story is going to be, but that story will be told and mueller will consider it in deciding how to proceed. >> gloria, what the president has said all along, i'm not under investigation, some satellites are, some people in my campaign, but i am not under investigation. i guess he can no longer say that. and in the white house statement tonight from a person involved with his outside counsel. basically went after saying these are egregious leaks from
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the fbi, but as i said to adam, there's no evidence in his article that any of these leaks actually came from the fbi. >> and we don't even know if the white house knows what it read in the "washington post" today. they may not have known that this investigation had expanded and by the way, to tie this up to attorney general sessions yesterday, this is exactly why the president is so mad that the attorney general recused himself from the russia investigation because he didn't want a special counsel and he thought, perhaps wrongly, that attorney general sessions could put a stop to it. but of course since he wasn't there, he didn't. and now he's got this special counsel, so we have an investigation that started out as russian meddling in the election and that has clearly expanded to include the president and his staff. >> we talked about this time and time again. how many times have we seen investigations that start out with one thing and expand into something else completely
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different? >> absolutely. what we have been talking about forever has just come true and i cannot emphasize enough how dangerous i think this is for the president. contrary to what gloria thinks, i think there's a real possibility that donald trump was told he's now under investigation and why we have been hearing rumblings out of the white house that he's thinking about firing mueller. he's got a lot of push back on that, but given the frustrations. >> i just also think it's worth remembering what a personal nightmare it is to be under criminal investigation. what it's like to wake up every morning and know that there's a team of skilled lawyers, fbi agents who are looking at the possibility of trying to put you in prison. that is what it means to be under criminal investigation, and now the president of the united states who is a sensitive soul is going to have to deal with that. >> on top of all this stuff as president, he has to deal with
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this. the president calls for unity after the shooting, and we'll hear from the former capitol police chief about the work of the capitol police today. y serv. i missed, like, the whole thing. what? and i just got an unlimited plan. it's the right plan, wrong network. you see, verizon has the largest, most reliable 4g lte network in america. it's built to work better in cities. tell you what, just use mine. thanks. no problem. all right, let's go live. say hi to everybody who wasn't invited! (vo) when it really, really matters, you need the best network and the best unlimited. plus, get our best smartphones for just $15 a month. working on my feet all day gave me pain here. in my knees. so i stepped on this machine and got my number, which matched my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. so i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my knee pain. find a machine at drscholls.com.
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we have been learning a lot all day about the man who opened fire on gop lawmakers and staffers and otherings at a ball field in northern virginia just a few miles from here.
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the shooter's facebook entry says trump is a traitor, trump has destroyed our democracy, it's time to destroy trump and co. today his remarks drew bipartisan praise. >> it we may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capitol is here because above all they love our country. we can all agree that we are blessed to be americans. that our children deserve to grow up in a nation of safety and peace and that we are strongest when we are unified and when we work together for the common good. >> more now on some of the
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police professionals and other heroes who did some of the hard work today. joining us from the scene is cnn law enforcement analyst art roderick and capitol police officer jim dime. capitol police officers are getting a lot of credit for their actions today. were it not for them, this could have been much worse, they were there as part of the security detail for congressman scalise? >> absolutely and they deserve every bit of praise that they're getting. as you know what the capitol police do all across the country is balance safety and security. they also have to know when to act and when to slow things down, because we always talk about in police speak about slowing things down. but slowing down the shooter is acting quickly and professionally and that is definitely what they did today. they are definitely true heroes. >> can you define for capitol police what their regular duties
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are, and if they get any special kind of training that any other kind of police officer gets? >> they get all types of special training, because not only do they do what we would call regular routine police work around the district of columbia and capitol hill, they provide dignitary protection, threat protection, anti-terrorism policing, which is very unique. that security type placing takes a lot of attention, it takes a lot of detail, it takes relentless focus so they can act as they did today. we focus on active shooter training as well as a number of other training pieces. >> a lot of people were surprised today to realize that there's a lot of congressmen who don't have security around them at all times. i mean had those -- that one security detail for congressman scalise not been there, it would
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have been up to alexandria police, i think they got there in three minutes which is quick, but a shooter can do a lot of damage in three minutes. >> yes, especially with an ska assault rifle, if it wasn't for the fact that the congressman wasn't merhere, there wasn't ha been any reports of a shooting. the alexandria police responded in three minutes, but a lot of people can be shot in three weeks, you can see in that cell phone video, how long that shooting scenario went on for. it seemed like i went on forever, and i'm sure, for the congressmen on the ball field, it went on a long time. >> most of the deaths in other active shooter situations all take place within the first six minutes.
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again,emphasizes how important it was to have that detail there, the do you think things are going to change or need to change in terms of rethinking the level of protection that congressmen get? >> in terms of that, as you just mentioned, most of those incidents are not only shorter in duration, they're also much closer in proximity, so this is very long in duration and extended distance and it just highlights the incredible work they did and how professional it was. in terms of protection, we never talk about protection details or tactics or safety and security. i again tell you that the congressmen of the united states are so supportive of the united states capitol police, that is one time where things are truly bipartisan and they received
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overwhelming support as evidenced today and as they always do and continue to do, they'll look at best practices and procedures to see how things can be done in a different and more effective way. but today was an example of outstanding, heroic work by these overs, that resulted from good training, good tactics and relentless attention to their mission. >> and we hope they get better soon. thank you very much. we're told that president trump has arrived to visit congressman scalise in the hospital. the congressman is considered to be in critical condition, we'll have more on his condition as well as the condition of all the others who were injured today. 3:45? tai chi. 6:30? sam's baseball practice. you are busy. wouldn't it be great if you had investmensts that worked as hard as you do? yeah. essential portfolios. the automated investing solution.
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arrived in the washington hospital center where congressman steve scalise is being treated for a severe gunshot wound. he is praising the police officers. two members of the capitol police were shot. cnn's alex march quart joins us. what have you learned? >> reporter: there was a third officer out there who was not wounded. the names of the special agents that we have been given by police are crystal griner, griner bailey and henry cabrera. griner, the one shot in the ankle, is in the hospital in good condition. bailey sustained a minor injury and has been released. all tonight being hailed as here
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rose for stopping what many are calling a potential slaughter. >> the officers were there specifically for scalise. i guess -- i mentioned this earlier. a lot of people are surprised that other congress people didn't have protection. >> that's right. scalise is the gop whip. he is in the leadership and only leadership gets protection. none of the other 21 members on the field get protection which begs the question what would have happened had scalise not been there. should members of congress have more security? >> appreciate the update. steve scalise's wife and two young kids coming here to be with him. he was shot in the hip. the latest report is that he was in critical condition after the surgery. as majority whip, he is the third ranking republican in the house. randi kaye has more on the congressman. >> reporter: representative steve scalise wag doing what he loved when he was shot, playing baseball. >> feeling really good. we're defending the title.
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we're bringing it. we're coming with a hungry attitude. we're competitive by nature. when you get to go out on a major league ballpark and play a kid's game, there's nothing like it. >> reporter: that was the congressman last week. he is well-known for his love of the game. posting this on twitter a couple years back. as he prepared for that year's big congressional showdown. >> thank you for that. >> reporter: scalise represents the first congressional district of louisiana. he was elected to the house back in 2008. replacing bobby jindal who ran for governor. he served as chairman as the most conservative block of republicans known as the republican study committee. in 2014 after house majority leader eric canter lost his primary, scalise jumped into the race. during that campaign, questions were raised about a speech he gave to a group led by david
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duke in 2002. he said i deta i detest any kin hate group. he went on to be elected house majority whip making him the third most powerful republican in the house. congressman steve scalise is a staunch conservative, an advocate of fiscal discipline, lower taxes and a robust national defense. he supported legislation that would establish english as the official language of the united states and that would de-fund planned parenthood. he worked to protect constitutional rights like freedom of speech. scalise has often railed against obamacare. >> by a bunch of members ready to go and rescue people from obamacare. >> reporter: he has tangled with al gore over the cap in trade energy tax. in 2010 after the bp oil spill off the coast of his home state of louisiana, steve scalise was quick to take on the white house.
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>> where is the president? does he not understand the magnitude of what is probably the worst environmental disaster in the country? then we get get mixed messages from his cabinet secretaries who come down and they say, looks like they are satisfied with the coordination going on. >> reporter: he is a loyal supporter of president donald trump who even recorded a birthday message for scalise's daughter. >> madison, happy birthday. listen to this man. he is a powerful man. >> listen to the president, madison. >> reporter: before joining congress, scalise graduated louisiana state university and worked as a computer systems engineer. he and his wife jennifer have two children. despite his willingness to tackle tough issues, congressman steve scalise never shies away from having some good old louisiana-style fun. randi kaye, cnn, new york.
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welcome back. we're following two stories tonight. the russia investigation. late reporting that it must touch the president of the united states. according to the washington
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post, robert muler is ta er mue steps to determine whether the president obstructed justice. we will have details later. in addition to that, we are continuing to cover our breaking story, our main story. late developments in the wake of this morning's shooting that left two people badly wounded, including congressman steve scalise. the president is visiting the hospital tonight where the congressman is being treated. an official warning we might only spend time with the congressman's -- with the conman's family because the congressman may be in no condition to be seen. he and the others were round on a ball field this morning in alexandria, virginia. the would be assassin opened fire on anyone he could hit as he tried to turn a baseball diamond into a killing ground. after a shootout with authorities, he is dead. [ gunshots ]
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>> shots being fired. there are people running, possibly victims involved. >> 7:09 a.m., shots fired. >> i still got shots being fired. >> it was a congressional baseball team practice for a charity game. that abruptly turned into a morning of terror. >> walking around the baseball field, i saw a man with a very large gun. >> within a few seconds, all of a sudden there were multiple gunshots being fired. >> the gunman firing bullets on a quiet suburban baseball field in the community of dell ray, located in alexandria, virginia, seven miles from the capital. four people were struck. among them, house majority whip steve scalise. the number three republican in the house of representatives. >> congressman scalise was playing second base. fieldi