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i'm gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. we are at the nationals park in washington where democrats, republicans are slugging it out on the baseball diamond in the name of greater unity in this town and around the country. the game comes in the wake of yesterday's shooting apparently politically motivated targeting republican lawmakers practicing for tonight. congressman steve scalise the house majority whip, recovering from a very serious gun shot wound. we will have the latest on his condition. the game -- talk a little bit about what the mood is right there among the stands?
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>> it's a baseball game. while that might seem simplistic that means a lot. i have one congressman texting me earlier saying i can't tell you how nice it is to have a beer and watch a game after what has trancepired over the last 36 hour. it is meaningful. it seems like a small issue and a small event given what we have seen over the last 36 hours. but it matters a lot. we have had a couple of plays at the plate. if you are in washington you know this is important. teddy won the president's mascot race. there is a sense of normalcy here. >> i have been getting texts from some others. there is teddy, by the way. i have been getting texts about the line at shake shack from some folks. i understand you checked in with the two freshman congressman
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setting together tonight. >> that's right. actually one of them, a republican is sitting on the republican side -- how the game works, democrats sit on one side. tonight on the third base side. republicans on the other side. kind of in that token of appreciation for what they are doing. dwight evans who is sitting with brian fitzpatrick is sitting in the republican side. i'm told that congressman is hoping for a big comeback right now republicans trailing by quite a bit. i think the overall point is that it is largely symbolic. this is a small step about what needs to happen over the years
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to come both congressmen told me they feel like they are learning a lot about each other and in a time when particularly in the house of representatives the relationships that used to exist and used to define the institution have largely crumbled totally fractured by fundraising, going home every weekend, events where you can sit with a colleague and learn about them, they are meaningful and matter. i think both members hope this is a sign of things to come. we will have to see about that. based on everything we have seen a lot of enthusiasm to try to stick to things like that in the days ahead. >> thanks very much. congressman scalise continues to be -- he underwent another surgery this afternoon. there looks to be a little bit of positive news. what is the latest? >> there is positive news. we have a late update from the hospital center a short time ago. officials telling us the congressman's condition has improved in the last 24 hours. he does remain in critical condition but they say he has made an improvement of the past 24 hours. they say that today, earlier today he underwent a second surgery to address an internal
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injury, to address a broken bone in his leg. he does remain in critical condition but he has improved over the past 24 hours. so a second surgery today to address internal injuries and a broken bone in his leg. there was some back and forth as to whether he has had two or three surgeries. we can say there are two official surgeries and a third procedure to address some bleeding. good news for the congressman tonight. we did go over the nature of his wound. he had the gunshot wound to his left hip. the bullet crossed his pelvis and caused pretty serious internal injuries and a lot of bleeding. president trump said he is in trouble. vice president pence said he has suffered a serious wound. we weren't quite sure what to make of those comments. we understand he was in bad shape in the past 24 hours. just in recent moments the
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hospital telling us he has improved over the past 24 hours. what they do say is he is going to require more operations and he will be in the hospital for some time. he is not out of the woods yet. he does have a road ahead of him. good news tonight for the congressman. he has improved over the past 24 hours. >> that is certainly some good news. thanks very much for that. we are obviously monitoring his condition. let me ask you about matt mika, the lobbiest who was shot in the chest. how is he doing? >> we are told that matt mika is doing pretty well. he has been upgraded from critical to serious condition and he is alert. he does require help breathing and he does require additional surgeries, but he is alert and upgraded from critical to serious condition tonight, anderson. >> good news there, as well.
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thanks very much. discussion from dr. sanjay gupta. the news that congressman is improving is good. from a doctor's perspective what stands out to you? >> when they are saying he is improving still in critical condition maybe requiring less medications. as you and i had been talking about before he has had two operations and another procedure done. that is not unexpected. that is typically how these things go in part because the doctors will stage the procedures meaning they will operate for a period of time and say that is enough now. we want to let the patient rest and recover and want to give the patient some blood and factors that help clot the blood so that is all sort of expected. the fact that there has been improvement over the past 24
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hours seems to be heading in the right direction. that is probably the most critical data point at this point. >> and the area around the hip where the congressman was shot, what are some difficulties that surgeons face operating? >> some of the biggest ones are a series of blood vessels in that area. there are big blood vessels and buried within the pelvis and between muscle and bone. if they start to bleed they can be difficult to stop. there is how the bullet travels and the wave of injury around that bullet. you can effect the intestines and something that can be addressed at a later point. all the bones, the top of the leg, the hip bones, all of that. my guess, i don't know this for sure is that those types of operations will be done at a later point. right now it's absolutely the
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bleeding. that needs to be fixed. they start to focus on other areas. people think a gun shot wound to the hip no big deal. there is a lot of anatomy that can be injured and needs to be operated on. >> one of the things you said earlier today struck me that you said it's not just the areas that the bullet passes through or the bullet hits. that bullet sends out essentially shock waves, and that can cause severe damage. >> this is a really important point. the bullet is traveling at such a high velocity. even before the bullet hits the skin, even before the actual physical contact you can start to have injury. that is from that blast wave or what we call cavitation. as the bullet is passing through
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the skin, it can really spread quite a blast wound around. it can really spread quite a distance and a few inches away from where the bullet's trajectory is. you are following the bullet's trajectory and trying to address those things. you have to look all around. it can be unpredictable in terms of damage that occurred. you leave no stone unturned. >> wow. just incredible. thank you so much. appreciate the reporting tonight. we got a lot more tonight. i quickly want to return to the theme of the evening, detoxifying the political climate these days. to that end, senator mitch mcconnell and senator schumer joined me in the last hour. here is a portion of our conversation. >> when you first heard about this what went through your
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mind? >> shocked like everybody else. that anybody would start shooting at our members is something i don't think anybody contemplated. pretty active group in the country. >> do you link this to the level of rhetoric? >> a lot of rhetoric from all different directions. doesn't excuse this. doesn't condone it but it is a good reminder. >> i don't know the last time you have done an interview together. what does it say? >> we want everybody to know that we always had a robust discussion of the issues in this country throughout our history. we don't dislike each other. we work together all the time. senator schumer and i do on a daily basis.
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but at the end of the day we're all americans. i think everybody needs to remember that because we are all in this thing together. >> russia sanctions, mitch and i worked together on it along with community members from both sides and it passed 98-2. somehow when it is contentious it gets more attention than when we are working together. we passed an appropriations and budget process, the whole federal government with a great deal of cooperation that made everybody pretty happy. >> should it take a tragedy like this to bring you two together to do an interview? >> we work together pretty closely before this tragedy. but if it can help bring things closer together and help us work closer together it is a horrible way to do it and we pray for mr. scalise's and other people's speedy recovery. but let's hope we can get some good out of this tragedy. >> do you think this will bring
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about some sort of lowering of the temperature? already today we had one congressman pointing the finger at president obama for this. you had nancy pelosi talking about republicans in a very unflattering way. >> we ought to be able to have big robust debates in this country without having this level of animosity. i think most americans have not read a lot of history. we have had a lot of contentious periods throughout our history. >> there have been fights. >> we haven't had a single instance where a congressman from south carolina tried to beat up a senator from massachusetts. >> that happened in the 1850s. >> we, of course, going to continue to follow the game. the score is 11-2, democrats in the lead. also want to talk about the game's larger mission. coming up next, though, days with the breaking news in the russia investigation including a new report from the washington post that jared kushner's finances are a focus for the special counsel. and in this simple everyday act,
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two breaking items in the russia investigation. vice president pence has obtained outside counsel. robert mueller has made jared kushner's finance dealings a part of his investigation. i understand there is new reporting from our team there about what was going on behind the scenes regarding vice president pence's hiring of outside counsel. >> anderson, indeed. this has been about a month or so in the works, i'm told, the vice president trying to hire a lawyer here. he interviewed several lawyers and following the lead of the president knowing he needs outside counsel. there is hand wringing and worry in the office of vice president and his associates. this is why. he and his team worked along side the project back after the election in november, in
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december, in january. we have spoken to a few officials who work for the vice president who did at the time. they say we are worried that we could be drawn into this. there may have been some type of meeting or something at the time but now it's all about this russia investigation. so there certainly is worry among the vice president's orbit and small circle here. he is hiring this lawyer but he is doing it through a nontaxpayer fund i'm told. we don't know exactly what that means. he certainly does not have the money to pay for this himself. there will likely be some type of a political fund set up. what it says to me is that the president and the vice president have been pretty much aligned on everything. when it comes to an issue like this, an investigation, this is where they could sort of part ways because the investigation is separate. many employees and many officials of the vice president's side of the white
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house are now worried that they will have to get lawyers for themselves, as well. >> we have played a little bit of president trump's message before the game that played here in the stadium about unity, togetherness. that is on the one hand. on the other hand he has been very active on twitter today really attacking the russia investigation and talking about hillary clinton. what does that say about where he is at? >> i think it says something that we have seen about donald trump all along. he needs and relishes and wants an opponent. he thinks that he can make himself stronger by having an opponent. he is talking about hillary clinton this afternoon in those tweets. we are 219 days until election day. the idea that this could be a moment of unity is certainly a hopeful one across washington certainly where you are. here at the white house when you look at the language from the
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president and the fundraiser that he sent out earlier i think the reality here is that things will get back to how they have been and particularly on the russia investigation. the president is still using exact same language he was. he needs an opponent on this. some republicans in town were wondering if he would give a bigger speech or use this as a moment to lift himself up, as well. so far he has not. i was talking to an administration official earlier. he said the way to bring people together is to pass his agenda. that is divisive at least among some people. >> thanks very much. joining us now, explain the significance of the story that you were part of about the special counsel and jared kushner. >> we have reported before that investigators were looking at jared kushner because of meetings he with with the russian ambassador in december. we reported on how they were looking at other trump associates for their financial dealings.
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what we found out now is that they are looking at jared kushner's finances and business dealings with regards to this investigation about whether there was collusion, coordination between trump associates and russian officials. there is the building on sixth avenue and looking to raise money. so do we know if that is a part of it. >> looking at me now, looking at our finance dealings. yesterday we reported that they are looking at obstruction with president trump. we can see that mueller is expanding the investigation. >> robert mueller hired attorneys at least one who specializes in -- >> he has a big team of people. >> but he has someone who
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specializes in criminal law in the department of justice who is supposed to be a fantastic lawyer. >> you also talk about a meeting, new information about a meeting that director comey had. when was this? >> this was really interesting. before the director comey met with president trump for the first time in january he was wondering if he should tell him he was not under investigation. the general investigator said i don't believe you should tell him that because it could change. we don't know where this is going, and this is slippery slope. he told him three times that he was not under investigation. >> this lawyer said this is
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standard operating. they are looking at it already to look at the finances. this is standard, and she's also -- >> i want to read the full statement saying we do not know what the report refers to. it would be to examine financial records for anything related to russia. that is one of the big questions that remains out there is why did kushner meet with the -- he will do the same if contacted with any other inquiry. that is one of the big questions is why did jared kushner meet with this banker?
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there would be conflicting explanations as the reporting. conflicting explanations about why it was and still not clear. >> it's not clear. that is hopefully something that will come out in the end in this report. of course, special counsel is not under investigation. he has to give it to the deputy attorney general. we don't know if we will see it publically. >> i want to bring in the panel from the "new york times." what do you make of this reporting? >> we look at the special investigation that is underway. you see this is going to be a broad -- >> this is not going to go away anytime soon. there are huge questions about it. his meeting with the russian banker. this is a russian banker who is deeply connected to the kremlin. went to the russian intelligence training academy. why was jared meeting with him? these are not satisfactory answers. >> conflicting explanations from the white house early on.
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>> early on in march when this emerged the white house says a courtesy call on behalf of russian ambassador. the banker was in the u.s. drumming up business, kind of on a road show. and sort of pretty different responses. i think we still don't have real answers. >> what do you make of the special counsel's interest in jared kushner? >> a lot of things we learned today, the idea that they are doing the obstruction of justice part of this and it seemed like a matter of course in an investigation. comey hinted that they were moving that direction. pence certainly needs to learn. it is interesting to see how he reacts differently from trump. the worry they are feeling is healthy and something that a polotics is worried about. we can find that these
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allegations are not real and there is not there. but if you are having these legally portentous discussions while this investigation is going on and you are not a consistent person with the facts and with the answers then you start tripping yourself up. >> and to have the president continue to be so public about it in tweets as well even today maligning the people running the investigation. >> which he has been doing all along. i think the jared kushner thing is not surprising to me. of course, they would be looking into all the people in the campaign but he is, of course, family. he is so close to donald trump and anything that he did we would assume donald trump probably would know about whereas paul manafort maybe was off freelancing. i think when you start looking at jared it is in a way of looking at trump. i think it is meaningful in that way. i think one of the most interesting things in the article was what you brought up about the discussion of whether or not they should tell trump he was under investigation.
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you think if that conversation had gone differently maybe how differently everything else would have happened. if trump was never told he wasn't under investigation then this pressuring wouldn't have probably happened and started this domino effect that led to comey's firing which led to obstruction of justice. >> carl, yum your experience and how special counsel deals and the white house deals with each other, we're still a long way from the trump administration being obligated to cooperate. that gets complicated. >> they can make claims of executive privilege but they will have to cooperate with the investigation. donald trump for years has been trying to keep us, meaning the american people, the press and now investigators from finding out about his financial positions, his loans, those of his family, his family businesses. and that is squarely where part of mueller's investigation now is. and why is it there?
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because so much of trump's business has to do with loans from russians, ethno-russians, oligarchs. and his own sons have talked about how much of the business comes from the russian money. now the bottom line of a lot of this goes to what is it that the russians might have wanted and it always comes back to sanctions. it could well be that there is no there there and that the two paths are not going to cross. it really is possible. if that is the case i can understand perhaps why trump might be so angry about this except he keeps refusing to open up and say to let's give them everything and show him there is nothing there. he has been covering up, obstructing not in the legal sense of obstruction of justice
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necessarily, demeaning, underlying every stage by legitimate investigators for months now. you have to ask what is this all about that he doesn't want us to see? his finances, doesn't want us to know about the dealings of russia and those of his family and campaign. why is there all of this smoke? >> one of the things i am curious on is the human dimension of this. one of his closest advisers who is also his son-in-law, theoretically there would not be able to talk to each other about this ongoing investigation. if they both have attorneys and both being a focus of an investigation i assume they are not going to be talking about it. >> it's probably pretty awkward i would imagine. one other thing is that part of the obstruction aspect of the case is the role of the president and jeff sessions and
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rosenstein in the firing of comey. if they start looking into the role of rod rosenstein that is tricky because he is overseeing the special counsel so would he have to recuse himself from the investigation? >> whether as was said in the report there could be nothing there at the end of this. there could be no charges and nothing that congress does and yet sucks up a lot of the oxygen and attention for the white house. >> it is a part of it. there is policy making that has to go on with russia and a number of other areas. there are people who have to lawyer up. you can be career person in that white house. you don't make a lot of money. you are facing enormous legal bills now. you are supposed to be helping make policy plus you know that there is a pretty good chance that trump will ignore your advice and diminish the russian situation.
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it's a chaotic scene. >> can i add one thing about this obstruction? >> yeah, go ahead, carl. >> that is that we shouldn't be looking just at the question of donald trump firing comey or might fire mueller. there are the discussions with paul manafort, with stone, all of these are potential areas of obstruction if anything trance pired in those discussions to keep officials from learning the truth. so we need to understand this is a very big landscape, much more than been described in the stories. >> thank you, carl. everybody stick around. thank you for reporting. we will have more on the tweet story. i'll talk it over with a friend of fbi director james comey as
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in case you are wondering 11-2, democrats. it's the end of the sixth inning. the stands are packed which is an amazing thing to see. they have raised over a million dollars. naming of special counsel might not have happened so soon had the president not fired james comey. now with the president lashing out at robert mueller spoke
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again earlier today. "the washington post" reporting last night that robert mueller is looking into the possibility over allegations of obstruction of justice. how significant is that? how significant a turning point? >> so obviously i'm not privy to the details of what director mueller or special counsel mueller is looking at right now. i think it is unsurprising that he is apparently looking at the obstruction question. i think it would be hard as a prosecutor to look at the pattern of activity that begins january 6 and ends -- i mean it hasn't ended, but ends with the firing of comey and subsequent statements and not at least have an obstruction question.
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so it doesn't surprise me at all that bob mueller wants to explore that question. i think it's, a, not surprising that mueller would be trying to get some of that information, but, b, i wouldn't draw a lot of conclusions from the fact that he is except one which is if the president thought he was going to make this problem go away by getting rid of jim comey he has been shown to be sorely mistaken. he has clearly made it worse for himself. >> back now with the panel. keirsten, it's such a strange situation to have the president going on this tweet storm today going after the people behind the investigation, calling them bad people. i think if that's true i think the fact that you have members of congress coming together and saying we need to try to be more civil to each other. >> that i would say would be strange if it wasn't donald
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trump. it feels pretty consistent with who he is. i feel like this is what he does in the same way i feel it was predictable from the beginning that he was going to probably obstruct justice that once this started going down the road that he was going to not just sit back and let things happen and i would have predicted he would do something. that is what i said early on either that or perjure himself or something like that. it's almost never ultimately about what it started as. once they start these are the things that start happening. >> he tweeted about that fact again today saying now they are going after obstruction on something phony to begin with almost like it's the first time he has considered that. if you look at recent history that is sort of obvious. that is what happens. >> yeah, and i think the obstruction of justice stuff is consistent with who trump is and the interesting
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thing about the mueller question one would think in another situation is look at what happened when you got rid of comey, and it just made things worse. he's not that creature. the other part of this, too, there is a bit of this where they are friends and mueller has a good reputation. that could be annoying to the president. i think that is fair for him to be annoyed by that. you just wouldn't hear about it publicly, but that's who he is. >> do you think it is possible he is thinking about getting rid of mueller? >> i'm sure he thinks about it every minute of every day. whether he will go ahead and do it he seems to have been talked out of it by his staff. he can't fire him. he has to get rod rosenstein to fire him unless there is good cause. so absent that, the question is whether or not he tries to
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pressure him into doing it? >> there is so much we don't know about what is going on behind closed doors. >> there is one in the eastern district of virginia. there are cases against flynn, paul manafort. i think that is one thing you have to understand about this investigation. criminal investigation. we know that some trump associates and then there is this big swirl of counter intelligence investigation which is where they are looking at jared's finances and to anybody connected to the president. that goes back to looking at what russia tried to do in the election. the president can diminish this all that he wants. we have yet to find a serious national security official who agrees with him. it seems like as the commander in chief you would want to handle that. russia's goal is to disr. democracy. look around. they seem to be doing a pretty good job with it.
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>> the president pledged to testify under oath about what he said to james comey. he is under no obligation to cooperate with the special counsel. >> he is not. who knows what he means. is he going to testify or give one sentence about what he thinks occurred? does he have a digital recording? we ought to pay note that we are not talking about tape recordings. we are talking about recordings we are talking about digital recordings which is a very different kettle of fish subject to different kinds of abilities to be manipulated, extracted, made to go away, all kinds of questions. i'm not one who necessarily believes that these tweets are undermining donald trump to the extent that a lot of people think they are. he is appealing to his base and that base has not been leaving him. as long as that base is roused, angry it keeps pressures on republicans not to go after this case and go along with a thorough investigation. so far there has been some success at that. for the first time with the firing of comey and now the
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threat to fire mueller we are hearing from people like paul ryan it would not be a good idea, mr. president, to fire mueller. up until now he has succeeded in keeping republicans on the hill from demanding real investigation. so i'm not so sure that it has been as counter productive as everybody thinks. >> interesting. we should point out the game here just ended as we were speaking. democrats 11, republicans 2. i want to thank everybody on the panel. can the unity of a baseball game like tonight after the senseless shooting transfer the halls of congress where lawmakers are supposed to work together? why is that notion such a novel one? jake tapper talks about it along with house speaker paul ryan and nancy pelosiy. that's next. with my moderate to severe crohn's disease,... ...i kept looking for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i was doing okay... then it hit me...
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>> tonight we are all team scalise. >> what we're trying to do is tone down the rhetoric, lead by example, and show people we can disagree with one another. we can have different ideas without going to such extremes. >> joining me now glorjia borger and key analyst -- does that idea of toning down the rhetoric last? >> we tried this before and it has failed. so i think you have to say the odds are against it. i think targeting members of
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congress this week were truly effected because they had the sense that this could be any one of us. if this is what we are inspiring in the american public in one way or another we better get our act together. their popularity is in the lower double digits already. they only have one way to go but to improve. i think it comes from leadership. not only leaders in congress but also the white house. there are republicans who say the president needs to work on that. >> during the campaign how many times did citizen donald trump, candidate trump ask about tone. he was talking about his tone would be different. and i think that was something that frustrated a lot of republicans in washington. yesterday fall oing the yesterday fall oing the shooting. they want to see that from the president. they believe that this is a bipartisan problem when you talk to republicans.
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i think the fact that you had a bernie sanders supporter created some soul searching from people on the left. i do think that there are republicans and democrats who have on their mind now we have to be careful. we need to even though it is tempting to try to channel anger or exploit anger and that is something that can drive people is that really the responsible thing to do? i think that is something that right now is more on the minds of these lawmakers. but it's important from leaders. it's important from the president. >> it was interesting to see in the crowd tonight to see i am told there is usually a lot of booing of the other side. there was some of that tonight and much less than normally is. >> much less of that. and our crowd size is probably three times what it normally is because people came here tonight not so much to root for either side although there was that but they just wanted to show support for members of congress and to say you are not going to stop us from playing this game. >> i think there was a sense of we are not afraid. we are going to come here to watch this game. >> this was about getting together with your friends, getting together and just showing support of a bipartisan event. i went into the side for the democrats. they were really cheering for
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their team. there wasn't an edge to it for sure. i think this was about what was a really rough day yesterday on capitol hill especially for people who work for scalise or are close to scalise. i talked to some tonight. they were just happy to get together and have this moment because anything like this reorganizations what is important in life, and i think that's something many people in a bipartisan may have felton it. >> and their constituents want them to fight for what they believe in. they don't want them to fight with each other in a way that guarantees that nothing gets done at all. that is what they have been doing. >> you see them coming out wearing capitol police baseball hats and police officers throwing out first pitch. >> how about nancy pelosi in the lsu t-shirt. >> one of cnn's champions for change meet the doctors helping haiti and proving the island nation is not forgotten. it is who dr. sanjay gupta chose to profile for our series. that and all the days developments ahead.
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don't take movantik if you have a bowel blockage or a history of them. movantik may cause serious side effects including symptoms of opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain and/or diarrhea, and tears in the stomach or intestine. tell your doctor about any side effects and about medicines you take. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. don't back down from oic. talk to your doctor about movantik. remember mo-van-tik. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. this week on cnn, we've been bringing you our special series, "champions for change," inspiring stories to see how one person or one group is making a
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difference. tonight, dr. zbroousanjay gupta the story of one doctor and his nonprofit organization who answered the call for help after haiti's devastating earthquake in 2010 and is still there making enormous impact. take a look. >> there is a saying, beyond mountains there are mountains. as soon as you overcome one obstacle, there is another. and then another. haiti, our neighbor, is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. it was already one of the toughest places in the world to live. and then, january 12th, 2010, a 7.0 magnitude earthquake hits. within an instant, hundreds of thousands dead. hundreds of thousands more are injured. sudden and utter human destruction, almost unimaginable. my chest still tightens just thinking about haiti. it was day five. kimberly, 12 years old, a piece of shrapnel in her brain.
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the u.s. navy asked me to fly out to the "uss carl vinson" to operate. she had recovered well, but she had still lost her family, lost her life, as she knew it. even survival here seemed a living hell. i kept thinking, this is a place that will never recover, a place forgotten. does it come back to how much we really care? >> it's a reflection, the absence of money is a reflection of differential valuation of ha human life. >> reporter: for seven years now, the question i kept asking, can someone, anyone, really make a difference in a place like this. my bet is on this guy. champion for change paul farmar and the organization he founded, partners in health. they have been in haiti for 30 years now, and they were there, january 2010. the images of paort-au-prince's tent cities have given way to the park we are sitting in today. how is haiti doing? how is this area doing seven
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years later? >> there's been patchy improvement, some places rubble's all cleared, some houses are rebuilt, buildings going up. there have been all of these other problems since then, food insecurity, more floods, hurricane matthew. so it's a mixed bag. >> when you were pretty young, you decided to come here and to do work. what was motivating you at that time to come here? >> you know, motivations are difficult to decipher, but i think it was a desire to help people and especially people living in poverty. >> and with that i realized, pall farmer, an infectious disease doctor from harvard, makes the case that one man, one organization can make a difference, even in a place lake this. >> when we were here in 2010, and former president clinton came down at that time, one of the things i remember him saying to me is, you know, sometimes something good can come from
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something bad. is it true? >> the university hospital came out of something bad. it came out of the earthquake. it's 300 beds. it's the largest solar-powered hospital in the developing world. it is six operating rooms. it has 2,000 patients a day. >> reporter: in greek mythology, a phoenix is a bird, continually reborn from its ashes, just like this. university hospital in mirabale. the crowned jewel in haiti portfolio. a world-class hospital effectively in the middle of nowhere. >> did you ever imagine that a place like this could exist? >> no. >> reporter: she is chief nursing officer here at the hospital. >> you've lived in new york, you've lived in michigan, you've lived in florida, how does this hospital stack up to what i've seen over there? >> it's equivalent to what i've seen. >> that's kind of an amazing statement. >> yeah. >> there's a lot of people who say that shouldn't have ever been possible. >> i love when people say that.
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there's radical and there's ridiculous. when we propose it, a lot of people call it ridiculous, but when it happens, it's radical. >> so from ridiculous to radical to real. >> to real, yeah. >> just to give you an idea of how busy things can get here. in the middle of haiti, a 3-year-old boy here who was in a motorcycle accident. he has a fracture in his skull. that's going to need surgery. and also over here, a 61-year-old man who has a large hemorrhage in his brain. he's also going to need surgery. both operations need to happen within the next hour or so. before this hospital was built, alexander would have shulurely d out here in the countryside. 63 is the average life expectancy hear. he's 61. instead, today, i'm getting ready to operate on him. this is the midline here. >> yes. >> brain surgery, in the poorest area of the poorest country, in the poorest hem atmosphere of this portion of the world. >> i've seen patients come in
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and think, there's no way this person is going to make it. and they do. that's something good that came out of sympathetic bomething ba. >> it's the house that paul farmer helped build. even when his spotters thought, this simply isn't impossible. how can this be done? >> that's a philosophical question. i didn't spend a lot of time on it because i knew the real answer was, of course. the real answer was, how to do it. if they had been saying, you know, can we do this at nasa? there would have never been someone on the moon. so i think the more we ask how and the less we ask, can we do it, the safer we are as a species, right? >> and the more likely we are to travel, mountains beyond mountains. the title of the book profiling dr. paul farmer and his quest to cure the world. >> and as proof that it was the right thing to do, please observe a rainbow just appeared over your left shoulder.
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clearly a sign from god -- >> somebody is listening. >> i've always said to you, from harvard to haiti to heaven. >> believe me, i'm probably not headed to the third destination. >> i think you've done enough good in your life. >> well, i'll keep trying. >> he is a remarkable man. >> don't miss the next champions for change tonight at 11:00 p.m. hour. you can find more on this series on cnn.com. and be sure to join dr. sanjay gupta for an hour special this saturday at 9:00 p.m. eastern featuring highlights from the whole week. that's it for us. we'll be right back.
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