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we are not fixing obamacare. >> i cannot support a bill that is going to result in tens of millions of people losing their health insurance. >> i think that they will probably get there. >> reporter: the senate bill eliminates obamacare's individual mandate, keeps insurance protections for preexisting patients but allows states to drop essential benefits which can mean skimpier coverage and fewer options for patients including those with preexisting conditions. it phases out medicaid expansion starting in 2021, reduces income based tax credits, cuts obamacare taxes and eliminates planned parenthood funding for one year. >> little negotiation but it will be very good. >> reporter: president trump announcing that he supports the bill despite promising not to cut medicaid on the campaign
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trail. >> save medicare, medicaid and social security without cuts. >> i'm not going to cut medicare or medicaid. >> reporter:. >> this is barbaric. this is what oligarchy is all about. it is the wealthy and powerful saying we need more tax breaks. >> reporter: president obama is criticizing the gop's latest plan to repeal his signature domestic achievement writing in a facebook post the senate bill unveiled today is not a health care bill. small tweaks over the course of the next couple of weeks cannot change the fundamental meanness at the core of this legislation. the senate bill sparking emotional protests outside the office of senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. police dragging away wheelchair bound demonstrators angry over
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proposed cuts to medicaid. i was here when the protests erupted and many people see this as a life or death issue if they do not get their care. the congressional budget office is going to score the legislation next week. it is expected to have the senate go through a debate and, of course, mitch mcconnell hoping to have a vote by the july 4 recess. >> thank you very much for setting that up for us. let's bring in our panel to discuss it. we have political analyst and yahoo finance columnist rick newman. great to have all of you here to help us analyze what is happening this morning. rick, what do you see in this bill and who it is a victory for? >> there are a lot of problems in the overall health care industry in the united states, rising costs. this bill does not address any of the actual problems in the health care. when you hear people saying americans need relief and better
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health care, this does not do anything like that. >> why not? >> first of all, obamacare only effects about eight percent of everybody who gets insurance in the united states. everybody else will feel no relief because it is not directed at them. they are targeting a relatively small portion for political reasons. this is mainly about restructuring medicaid. we will hear all the details on that. worth pointing out aarp is against this, the american medical association representing the doctors in the country thmpt american cancer society is against it. it is hard to find anybody out in normal america who is for this. >> there are real problems with obamacare, the individual mandate. there are a lot of successes because it is taking time for it to be absorbed and so coverage is something that hospitals care a lot about and insurance companies care a lot about. we are not talking about much compromise. we are talking about a wholesale
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change. my question is the political end game. you have a president who is not really very involved in all of this. at the same time you have mitch mcconnell who is pretty good strategically thinking about how this all ends. how do you see it ending? >> the republicans are missing four senators. they need two to get there. that's not an impossible lift. i think the language that you saw from the republicans gave themselves some wiggle room where if they come back with some kind of an amendment that addresses their concerns you can see them then saying that they would be able to support this. i think that you can't under estimate mitch mcconnell's ability to cut a deal with his caucus and to get people in line. i'm not sure how involved or uninvolved the president is at this point. what we saw with donald trump is what he has done which is sort of give a vague answer that
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gives him as much wiggle room as possible because at the end of the day he is a deals guy and everything is sort of a transaction. i think they will probably get there because they have made the c calculus that you need to do something. to not do something would be worse for republicans. yes it is a political calculation because they have campaigned on repealing obamacare cycle after cycle. >> the other thing the president campaigned on was saving medicaid and medicare. he said it over and over. listen to this and we will talk about where he is today. >> save medicare, medicaid and social security without cuts. >> i'm not going to cut medicare or medicaid. >> end up with great health care for a fraction of the price. >> this does cut it? >> you can have everything for nothing and it is all going to be terrific. i think the president is square
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up against what many politicians discover after they have campaigned on offering everything for nothing which is it doesn't work. what republicans on the hill believe and what is true is that the president is going to sign whatever they can get to his desk. and so i think after his initial deep involvement in the house bill process that did not work well he backed off, he let republicans in the house negotiate among themselves with involvement from the white house quietly as needed and that tended to work better. that is what we are seeing in the senate process. >> you finish. >> so i think as we watch the senate process unfold there are two things to keep an eye on here. one, the cbo score and the projections about coverage and premiums that come from it, republicans that are deliberating will react to that and that will give us a better picture of where we are next week. the issue and maggie spoke to this is the political pressure
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they feel from their voters at home that have issues with premiums that they find unaffordable and they want something done. so if it is a choice between passing something that polling has shown voters are skeptical of they will take their chances with the bill that people may not like because they are going to have to do something. they either have to prop up obamacare and fix it or pass something else. that is why i think they will get this done. >> i think there christiane amanpour couple amanpour -- are a couple of things. you have a president who wants to campaign on this and in the next few weeks and then beyond that congressional elections. there is another big philosophical debate. this is really about what should the government be in the business of doing? there is a lot of people in the
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country saying government shouldn't be doing that because they can't do it right and then look at the problems of obamacare and say yes. >> that is who is writing the bill and that is the question is should this be the government's job or private sector's job? lots of evidence that the private sector cannot get this done. this is not a new problem. look at some of the key provisions. medicaid rollbacks don't begin to happen until 2021. that's not only after mid terms but after next presidential election. in the meanwhile trump is going to call it terrific. he will say trust me it will be terrific. i think the real question is how many people care if trump is true to his word? >> this is an example of trump thought we always thought about trump that he would outsource this kind of legislation. we are going to go to winners and losers.
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the individual mandate, one thing that i think is easy enough to understand about health care is if you don't have young and healthy people buying insurance when you don't need it then it is out of whack. that is what makes health care so expensive. so there would be no individual mandate here. i don't see how it all works. >> i don't either. i think having not been able to go through the bill yet i don't want to speak to specifics. many issues will complicate things. one point to your point before about the politics of this both in terms of individual mandate and who gets the coverage and voters at home there are a lot of voters at home in some red states who do like obamacare, who do feel like they have generally benefitted from it. people in places like arkansas. they were trump voters and they are also still preferring what they had. so this is not some kind of a clean victory once it goes through even though it is called
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and the subhead is repeal obamacare. there is still complicating factors here. >> we are having the former governor of kentucky on with us to talk about this very thing where it has been a success for so many people there. david, let's talk about we are trying to break it down. it is 142 pages. we are trying to break it down into winners and losers. let's put this up there. winners, the wealthy, the young and healthy, gop governors who fought obamacare and some health industry groups for older insurance consumers, people struggling with addiction. this is a big one. we talked about this. all the people who banked on president trump fulfilling his campaign promise to help people with opioid addiction and others. this doesn't address that. it doesn't help them. >> i think you will see senator rob portman playing a key role
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in amending the bill to address that particular concern under the reconciliation rules there is an open amendment process and everyone can offer up to hundreds of amendments. we call it voter -- there are amendments and changes that republicans in the senate are going to try to make. i think the bill in its current form will look different. i think the big question is can mcconnell get this done before the end of next week or does it have to go into july thaafter t one-week fourth of july recess. >> one last thing planned parenthood funding is a sticking point for senators so we will see what happens with that. thank you very much. we will speak with president trump's counselor kellyanne
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president trump finally admitting he did not secretly record conversations with fired fbi director james comey. this ends a six-week long charade but there are signs it may not be over. what is the latest joe? >> reporter: today was the day imposed by house investigators for the white house to turn over any recordings if they existed of the president's conversations with the fired fbi director james comey. the president ended the ruse with a tweet that only served to raise new questions about the credibility of the man in the white house. >> reporter: trump finally coming clean declaring that he did not make and does not have any recordings of his private conversations with fbi director james comey before firing him. the tweet coming 41 days after the president first implied
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tapes may exist, an apparent threat that sparked weeks of speculation and refusals from the white house to give a straight answer. >> did president trump record his conversations with former fbi director comey? >> the president has nothing further to add on that. >> you said he had no idea whether there are taping systems. >> do tapes exist with conversations with him? >> i will tell you about that in the near future. >> reporter: with all the recent reported electronic surveillance and illegal leaking of information i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings of my conversation with james comey. >> if he didn't record the conversations if they don't exist why did he suggest that they did? what was to be gained by that? was this an effort to intimidate james comey or discourage other people from speaking out.
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>> reporter: a seener administration telling cnn the president has been amused by the coverage. a trump associate telling jeff zeleny if he doesn't regret this he should. >> didn't dawn on me originally that there might be corroboration for our conversation and a tape. my judgment was i needed to get that out into the public square. >> reporter: comey testifying that the president's tweet prompted him to leak memos of their conversations which led to the appointment of special counsel robert mueller and to the report saying the president is being investigated for possible obstruction of justice. president trump raising questions about mueller. >> he is very, very good friends with comey which is very bothersome. there has been no collusion, no
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obstruction. we'll have to see. i can say that the people hired are all hillary clinton supporters. >> reporter: the white house briefing today is expected to be off camera around 1:30 eastern time with the white house press secretary sean spicer. there have been only two on camera briefings in the last two weeks. >> thank you very much. white house that doesn't want to face questions from reporters and apparently can't answer tough questions. let's bring back our panel. joining us "washington post" congressional reporter. welcome all. maggie, you are covering the white house every day. you are seeing this up close. to just let it sink in, you have a president of the united states who threatened an fbi director with secret recordings that he didn't have and let this play out like a reality tv show and really set in motion with that one threat an entire set of
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circumstances in this investigation that probably led to special counsel being appointed. it was after that threat that comey said he felt he had to release these memos. >> we have seen donald trump have these sort of chain reaction series of self-inflicted wounds. this has potentially more dire consequences because it has a legal issue from a sitting president. this president has operated in his mind a consequence free environment for a long time. i think still does not entirely understand or does not want to understand what the implications of all of this could mean for him if there is no evidence of collusion and if nothing happened in his campaign. it is all of this aftermath that he has been stirring up. i think you saw tweets from him
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yesterday. it was very low key. we have seen press conferences around things like ending barack obama birth place lie. in this case he put out tweets carefully written to get him away from the incriminating a witness potential charge. >> why did he do this 42 days ago? what was the purpose? >> the timing of answering the questions does have a reason. the house intelligence committee had asked him for information by today. they wanted answers about whether or not those tapes existed and in some sort of reckoning from the president. if he had not said something it would have put the gop in a tight spot because next step is subpoena. subpoenas from the congressional side do not carry that much weight. >> i get why he said yesterday he didn't have them. i don't get why he started 41 days ago with this charade.
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was it to intimidate james comey? >> that's what a lot of people are speculating. there are some democrats saying maybe this is going to be something that leads to establishing his intent was to obstruct the probe from going forward and to intimidate james comey. a lot of people say the president does not seem to be organized in his thoughts and every time he sees russia investigation as a personal threat to him he chooses to do something else. this time it was to tweet about tapes in air quotes and see where that went. he is doing via twitter account various things to throw off -- >> here is how all of this comes together. the president is alone in the oval office deciding that he will communicate for himself to the country and to the world. so this whole business with not doing briefings, he doesn't trust any of the people out there because he doesn't think
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any are as good as he is on twitter and he doesn't want to have to answer for these questions. what he is doing now and this is amazing, is leading a campaign, a kind of one man campaign against the special counsel on top of his own self-destructive behavior. this is what he said to fox about his doubts about bob mueller. >> should he recuse himself? >> he is very, very good friends with comey, which is very bothersome. but he is also -- we're going to have to see in terms. there has been no obstruction. there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. there has been no obstruction. we'll have to see. i can say that people hired are all hillary clinton supporters. >> he is not focussed on policy but very disciplined and
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focussed when it comes to leading a campaign against this investigation. >> right. it sounds like he is laying a foundation to undermine mueller's credibility. >> he's already worked on comey. >> you talk to republicans on the hill and there aren't takers there which lays the foundation you wonder with this president to eventually fire the special counsel. that would be a disaster politically. this is another example of how the president doesn't appear to have internalized the fact that he is president and speaks for the country. instead, what he is doing is what he has always done, move to protect his personal brand. and when you think about it, the whole episode of the tapes and then there weren't tapes and everything in between throughout the last 40 days creates an environment where he is driving the news cycle towards coverage of the russia investigation which he finds to be such a
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personal affront and which apparently bothers him so much but only because of the things that he has done and said that we are spending so much time v covering this. any president of any party that does and said what he did warrants news coverage. >> his tweet yesterday ends up eclipsing the big health care announcement. the next point is that this would have been a good time to ask the white house. yesterday would have been a good time to on camera ask the white house about their thoughts on the president doing this and what was behind it and his rationale. they had a no camera briefing. watch where they tell us to turn off our cameras. give you guys a second to finish those live shots.
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good afternoon. this morning the president continued his week of events highlighting technology and how it will continue -- >> you are not allowed to have the camera trained on her. what is happening? >> i think you have seen this white house continuing to struggle with the communications problem. we have seen this for several months. i think one of the president's problems with the russia issue is he treats it like it is a pr problem as opposed to a legal problem and that is where he is getting himself in trouble. you have endless reams of briefing room tape with sean spicer or sarah huckabee saying i will get back to you on that. the president has come to believe that they are a quote/unquote spectacle. complaints about the briefings and the way reporters act in the briefing room is not new to this white house. to be fair it is not as if this
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all started here. the part that is troublesome is that it is of a piece with efforts to be less transparent that we have seen with this administration on a number of issues. >> the other administrations have talked about it being a spectacle and journalists trying to use these on camera briefings. you have to take tough questions. this is the age of television. the "new york times" is posting video as well as their stories. the problem is when you have a president who often doesn't tell the truth he puts his people in difficult positions. they can't answer for him and he doesn't trust them on top of it. i'm sure kellyanne conway will blame it on journalists. in terms of people like kellyanne i think she is in a tough spot because she gets hit hard every time she does.
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i think it is important to put perspective on that. the other thing that is important you mentioned about the president telling the truth, james comey and bob mueller are not close friends. they know each other. they were professional colleagues. they are not besties. this is another thing where you see the president throw something out there and try to make everybody prove or disprove it. >> those are great points. we appreciate kellyanne conway's willingness to come on and answer questions. we will be welcoming her in our 8:00 hour. two jurors take us inside deliberations in the bill cosby trial and offer very different accounts of how the jury was unable to reach a verdict and why. we have a live report for you next. ...to a new world. deeper than the ocean. as unfathomable as the universe. a world that doesn't exist outside you...
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york city. >> we will take it. just days after his indecent assault case ended in a mistrial we are hearing very different accounts from two jurors about the dead locked deliberations. >> when judge o'neil told jurors they can speak out he said you cannot talk about final vote counts. first thing they did was talk about final vote counts. one juror spoke with our affiliate wpxi and said he did not understand why andrea c constand waited a year to come forward and whatever bill cosby did that he paid the price for it. he said cosby gave her a pill but said it was so emotional at the end and so many tears and the final vote count he said was either seven to five or five to seven. let's listen. >> it was hopeless. it was from the first time on.
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the statute of limitations were running out. >> did that really bother you? >> yes, it does. i think it created this whole thing, a case that was settled in '05. >> another juror spoke anonymously to abc. count one they said was ten to two for conviction. that would be cosby assaulted her without her consent. count two 11-1 for acquittal that he assaulted her. count three 10 to 2 for conviction. this is all happening bill cosby makes an announcement he is about to start an educational tour, town hall meetings around the united states to talk about sexual assault, false
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accusations of sexual assault and how to prevent someone from getting where he is. at the same time he is facing three felony counts of aggravated assault. the retrial set to be in about four months. anything he says that is video taped in those town halls they have been consistent against his interest can get in the courtroom. >> those town halls may not go as he is expecting as he tweets out things that don't always go as expected. thank you very much for that story. the presidential bluff on the james comey tape, did that pay off? we debate it next. garden weeds are scoundrels. with roundup precision gel®, you can banish them without harming plants nearby. so draw the line.
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president trump finally putting to rest weeks of speculation about whether he taped his private conversations with then fbi director james
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comey. the president revealed on twitter yesterday with all recently recorded surveillance i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings of my conversations with james comey but i did not make and do not have any such recordings. does this hurt the president's credibility? let's discuss it. ben, let me start with you. why this charade for 40 plus days did the president put everyone through? >> i don't think he looked at this as charade. i think many people were obsessed with the idea that he tweeted out directly talking about how he believed what james comey said was not what they said in private. that's why he said he better hope there are not tapes. let me say this. i don't think most people truly believe there were tapes. i think they saw the president responding to james comey, responding to leaks, responding
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to many in the intelligence community that are loyalists to james comey who are leaking classified information they should have never been leaking every day. in other words, whenever he is annoyed -- if the president disagrees with something somebody is doing it is okay for him to start a fictitious narrative or a threat that there might be tapes? >> here is what i will say. to the president of the united states of america you would be annoyed if you are doing your job and somebody in the government who does want like the fact that you are the president and loyal to james comey decides to leak information which is classified if you are caught you go to jail for it. the idea that people are obsessed with his tweet saying it is a charade what is a bigger deal? a tweet that he sent out or the fact that people in the jensz community that are loyal to the former fbi director who are actually putting out classified
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information every time they don't get their way or don't like what donald trump is doing. so i don't have a problem with him talking about this for 40 days while people are freaking out while the majority of people said there is not a tape. he wasn't taping conversations in the white house. most people don't believe he was. >> it is hard to know when the president puts out a tweet what to believe. >> i don't think the president has any credibility. i have known for a very long time that donald trump is nothing but a liar that will say whatever he wants to serve his own narrative which is why i don't think he should have been president in the first place. that among many other reasons. this is dangerous. the president's words matter. i can't believe we have to continue to say this. the president's words matter. what he tweets is more than just his own personal opinion that folks should say in the wind.
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this has national security implications. >> how so? >> international implications. how so, ben? i want you to concede the point that we look crazy to the rest of the world when we have a president who is making ficnicious narratives and continuously lying because he wants to preserve his own personal saving face for his own self. he is not concerned about the rest of the world or our standing in the world. >> you just said that the president lied when he said he better hope there is not tapes. that's not lying. you say he is a liar. nothing this president is going to do or tweet even if you wrote the tweet that you would agree with because donald trump is saying it. you say somehow this is something that the president of the united states of america lost standing in the world. do you believe other countries
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are analyzing the tweet the way you are trying to imply? >> hold on, guys. >> i believe other countries are looking at the totality of what donald trump has done since he has been in skpauoffice and thi look crazy. >> i have a question. do the president's words matter? >> of course, the president's words matter. >> which ones matter? how do we know which ones matter? >> he said you better hope there is not a tape. he was questioning the former fbi director's truthfulness and honesty. this is an fbi director who chose because he wanted a special counsel, chose to leak information which was involved in a case that he knew was going to be an investigation. >> because of the tweet. >> ben, hold on. you can draw almost a straight
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line between that tweet and the special prosecutor. james comey testified that it was that tweet where he thought the president is going to come up with a different narrative than what happened. >> you have an fbi director who does not get oo react to things he doesn't like like he is a child. so and so he did this so i get to leak information because i got fired from a job where top seven democrats were saying i should resign or be fired before he was actually fired. when you don't get your way as the fbi director you don't get to leak information involved in something ask act like a child because you don't like what the president is doing. >> of course, the question is whether or not the president's words can be counted on. >> i think the onus is on the president here. i would love nothing more to be talking about this horrible health care bill that will take away health care. >> you just did.
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>> we are now talking about the fact that we know donald trump is a liar. he lied about tapes. what else has he lied about. >> do you think that james comey is honest? >> the president's words matter. the president needs to act like he is the freaking president of the united states of america and raise the damn bar. >> thank you very much for the debate. and in sports news -- [ laughter ] freshman ruled last night in the nba draft. details in the bleacher report coming up next. she's nationally recognized
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big nba draft last night in the books. record 16 freshman selected in the first round. andy scholes has more this morning. >> definitely an eventful night. huge trades going down. bulls sending jimmy butler to the timber wolves. folse selected out of washington. he had on a pretty cool custom suit that had a dozen pictures of family and friends on the inside and rocking shoes that were made out of basketballs. you see them right there. with the second pick lakers selecting lonzo ball. his dad predicted a long time ago that his dad would play for the lakers.
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he had a new prediction last night. >> i'm going to tell you what. he is going to take the lakers to the playoffs his first year. come see me when he does. i will have another hat on to say i told you so. >> he was showered with booze but still threw out his lakers hat to the fans. he is just a nice guy. dodgers and mets a foul ball headed for the seats and you got to check out this dad leaping up to make the one-handed grab while holding his baby. watch mom. she was not very pleased with this. she immediately takes the child back. i feel bad for the guy. he makes a heroic onehanded grab. i'm sure he is in trouble at home. >> i think mom decided dad cannot be trusted to hold baby during a baseball game. >> give a shout out to josh heart. he is going to the lakers.
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facebook's ceo says he wants to ensure that the social network is a force for good. so mark zuckerburg says he is modifying his company's mission. laurie segall spoke with zuckerburg and she joins us live from something. tell us about this new mission. >> a pretty big deal. if we look at how facebook has had so many challenging questions a lot of us are questioning the impact of the platform so much so that mark zuckerburg has been doing soul searching. he told me about why he is changing the mission. take a listen. it's been a year of tough
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questions for facebook. fake news distributed across the platform. terrorists spreading propaganda and mark zuckerburg has been doing some soul searching. >> i used to think that if we just work to give people a voice and help people connect that that was going to make the world all better by itself. i feel like we have a responsibility to do even more. today a lot of society is divided. so it's pretty clear that just giving people a voice and connecting people isn't enough. >> it's an admission by one of the most influential tech leaders that the world's most popular social media network needs to change. >> today we will set a new mission to set our course as a company for the next decade. and the full formal mission statement will be to give people the power to build community to bring the world closer together. >> it's the first time facebook has overhauled its core mission
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shifting focus from connecting individuals to building communities. zuckerburg made the announcement at the first community summit, a gathering of leaders and influential facebookers. a place for over a million women to connect. >> when you talk to make sure people feel safe. this helps better manage our community. >> we are also going to help you remove bad actors. >> what does that mean? >> it means -- >> the question, are we more connected or has technology driven us apart. technology to a degree has always promised to help us discover and help us learn. the question of does it make us more insular and is information being hijacked and spread? as you make the future of facebook how do you make sure they remain a place for
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authenticity and for real discourse in. >> you want tohelp people stay connected with the people they know and care about but you want to make it so people get access to new people and new perspectives, too. bringing people together is a lot of what we can do to help create more civil and productive debate on some of the bigger issues, as well. >> really interesting conversation. it's striking to me that rather than leaving facebook community to its own devices now zuckerburg thinks it has to be a moderated conversation to some degree. >> i don't this go he really has a choice. i think this is actually a culmination of events. if you look, mark zuckerburg has been spending time outside silicon valley bubble sitting at dinner tables across the country. he wrote a whole long manifesto on future of technology and democracy. you get the idea that he realizes that a year later when
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we see fake news spread we are wondering are we more insular or less connected. it is why he makes this big announcement to try to give communities tools to organize. think about the women's march and how impactful that was. that was a movement that started on facebook. this is mark's way of saying i understand my power and with that comes a lot of responsibility. we have seen the good and the bad and trying to give communities those types of tools to be able to come together in a better way and more efficient way for a better dialogue. >> and in politics, too, going back to obama years. appreciate the conversation this morning. thanks to all of our international viewers for watching. you can watch cnn talk up next. for u.s. viewers new day continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning. welcome to your new day. chris

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