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sketches, as far as we know, of a white house press briefing. these are by the talented bill henessey. the day has ended with the president weighing in on russian hacking by singling out the prior administration. quote, in a tweet, just out, the obama administration knew far in advance of november 8th of the russian meddling. did nothing about it. why? the president also weighed in during a new interview. what else has the president said? >> he's not just tweeting about it but he's talking about the "washington post" article, as well. he did an interview today, slated to air on sunday. this is what he told the interviewer in the wake of this "washington post" story about the obama administration knowing as far back as august of 2016 about these russian mahacks. this is what the president told the interviewer. he said, well, i just heard today for the first time that obama knew about russia a long time before the election, and he did nothing about it. but nobody wants to talk about that. the cia gave him information on
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russia a long time before they even -- before the election. i hardly see it. it's an amazing thing. to me, in other words, the question is, if he had the information, why didn't he do something about it? he should have done something about that. he should have done something about it. but you don't read that. it's quite sad. it seems in both this tweet and perhaps this interview that will air on sunday that he taped today, the president is somehow admitting that russia may have played a role in this hacking during the election. it is something that the president and even the white house press secretary, sean spicer, have been reluctant or remiss to actually address. president trump has said repeatedly over the past year or so, he said, perhaps the russians are responsible. he also pointed at actors like china, as well. so this putting -- >> and a 400 pound potential blogger. >> right. blaming it on potential actors. >> the white house, i understand, they formally responded to the house intelligence committee's deadline to produce tapes of the
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president's conversations with director comey. what'd they say? >> they didn't really say much, anderson. it was essentially a copy and paste from the president's tweet. it was a two paragraph letter to the intelligent committee. it came from the administration's top legislative affairs official. it said, in response to the committee's inquiry, we response you to president's june 22, 2017 statement, regarding this matder. with all of the recently reported electronic surveillance intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings of my conversations with james comey, but i did not make and i do not have any such recordings. of course, that was the tweet from president trump just yesterday. anderson, that's probably not the response the house intelligence committee was looking for, especially since ranking member adam schiff had said he specifically wanted to hear from the white house if
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there could have been any recordings at all within the white house itself. >> jessica schneider, thank you for the reporting. earlier, a fascinating passage painted the white house paralyzed over what to do, struggling to find a response. >> they had several different factors that were weighing on them. one was that if they -- if they did decide to put a statement out there, to call out the russians, it might be -- they might be accused of being partisan and trying to help hillary clinton win. another factor for them was that, you know, they weren't sure if they did act, how would putin respond? one of the concerns was that putin intended, potentially, to actually try to affect voter rolls and voting machines on or before election day. that was, again, something that they were concerned, that if
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they did something, they might actually make things worse. so they decided to not respond, except for deterring, sending warnings to putin, and otherwise wait until after the election to respond. >> the level of detail in the "washington post" story says a lot. reads like a spy thriller, sadly come to life. former cnn moscow bureau chief and the head of operations, steve haul, national security analyst and former spokesman, james clapper. and senior official phil mudd. steve, as a former cia officer, what do you make of the cia's ability to identify that vladimir putin had a hand in this? that seems like part of the delay and part of the obama administration, is that they wanted to make sure the cia was right and get buy in from other intelligence agencies. >> anderson, according to the "washington post" reporting, this is somewhat of an
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intelligence coupe, to get the concrete information, putting the nail into the coffin of what we all surmised analytically, that vladimir putin was definitely involved in this. hard to imagine otherwise. according to the "washington post," this piece of intelligence sort of confirmed that. then the fascinating thing about the whole piece in the "wo "washington post" is now, what is our policy going to be? you can go hard with cyber warfair or conservatively with sanctions. that's eventually what the administration decided to do. >> michael, it is interesting, just hearing from the president in this latest interview we read part of a transcript of, i guess that'll be on sunday, saying he just learned about this for the first time. how is that possible, that he just learned that the obama white house knew about this? he's the president of the united states. you'd think if he is truly interested in this, he would have been completely debriefed on the whole history of this entire, you know, intervention. >> well, and you don't even have
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to assume that he would have gotten secret briefings about this. this has all been public. >> right. >> the intelligence agencies talked about the russia meddling in the election and the effects that they thought that it was having in october. well before the election. it was a public -- i mean, it covered all the headlines. you did shows. everybody did. there have been multiple articles in our paper, "washington post," and others about the extent to this and about the obama administration's debate. the "washington post" story today added some interesting and important details. >> it's all been out there. >> it's all been out there. it is impossible to think that the president and his people didn't know that. now, to the point that your reporter made earlier, the president didn't want to acknowledge it, but that's different than not knowing about it. >> phil, does that make any sense to you, that the president just learned the obama administration knew about this in august? >> i'll give you a technical interpretation. what the hell is the president talking about? in july of last year, a lot of
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us in my business, several hundred of us, go to the aspen security forum in aspen, colorado. the director of national intelligence spoke about this. that is a public forum that includes journalists. as we just discussed, october 7th, intelligence officials discussed this publicly. every president of the united states through decades, not after they become president, but after they become the nominee of the party, start receiving intelligence briefings on major issues. china, iran. in this case, a classic intelligence -- classic element of those intelligence briefings for the nominee of the republican party would be russian activity. once the president-elect becomes president, he has the authorization to receive daily intelligence briefings from the same people who spoke publicly about russian meddling. i don't know what to say, anderson. it was both public, and the president had the right to receive anything he wanted privately, starting when he became the republican nominee. i don't get it. >> does it make sense, shawn,
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the president of the united states would not, at this point, you know, be given all the high-level concern, one hopes in the white house, but certainly zonk, of future hacking, that there would be a complete review of this by the president? it seems he's just learning of this by the "washington post." >> absolutely not. phil is absolutely right. the president has every -- had every opportunity to understand what was going on here. i think what's been more startling than anything, from my inter specti perspective, and i've talked to my former colleagues in the intelligence community, the president has not demonstrated a level of curiosity about this. as i've saidsome m ti sommany t president's most important job is making sure he can protect this country, defend this country and he's on top of our national security issues. without looking at what happened with regard to russia's interference, i don't know how he can do that. phil is right, there is no way the president didn't know about
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this. >> to shawn's point, you know, if the president is actually interested in russian interference, because clearly this is so wrapped up in the allegations of collusion, the allegations of obstruction of justice, that the president takes this personally, that this is somehow, you know -- he's said this in the past -- a means of making his election invalid, which it is not. he won fair and square. but you can still win fair and square and still have had russian collusion. we learned from director comey that he never discussed this with the president, never asked him about details or for a briefing other than the initial pre briefing. jeff sessions, as well, never had a briefing with the president about this. >> yeah. i mean, i think when you look at what the administration is saying, a lot of it has to do with the allegations of collusion. that's, i think, not really the issue ultimately. eventually, it will become clear. but the point right now is that
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it is pretty clear that there was a major operation by russia. and you had president putin directing it. that information that i think is crucial and probably very worrisome here in the kremlin is they had source, some type of source, right at the inner workings of the kremlin telling them that. and the second part that i think the russians will pick up on, and they are, is that planting these cyber weapon, you could call them, inside the russian network, that could be used in the future. those are two things that are very serious. so this is the type of thing that should be looked at. then also, how this entire operation is not just in a one hacking or two something else, it is an entire spectrum of weapons and approaches and techniques. including psychological
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operations no order to affect what was happening in the united states. it is much bigger, much bigger than just collusion. >> steve, has someone who follows russia, you know, closely, obviously, and has a long career with the c iia, involved with russia, do you see anything that the president is actually doing about future hacking? because, you know, other than this cyber security executive order, which made no mention of russia and seemed focused more on updating i.t. systems in the federal government, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of demonstrable things you can point to to say, he's taking proactive action. >> no. i don't see a whole lot of proactive stuff. in fairness, it is a really tough target set. it is a really tough, difficult thing to get at. when you think about it, think about where russia stands. russia doesn't want to get into a nuclear exchange with somebody, nor do we. they can't do anything
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conventionally because their armed forces aren't as big as the west's. what's left to them is this last battlefield, if you will, the cyber battlefield, which they are extremely competent at, which as they refer to it, is hybrid warfare. instead of building more battleships and tanks, we need to be focused on this. this is the battlefield of the future. the russians are definitely coming back, and they've proven already that they're absolutely effective at it. they're very good. we have to have a plan. it's got to be serious. it's got to be sort of on war footing, i think, but from a cyber perspective, not necessarily from a battlefield perspecti perspective. >> michael, it seems the president's plan, if it is a plan, is basically just go after the obama administration for not doing enough. certainly, you know, there's plenty of criticism to go about whether they did enough or what they actually did do. >> right. the thing that's striking is that he sort of bounces back and forth. on the one hand, suggesting in the tweet today, and appears to be suggesting in the interview, that somehow the obama
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administration should have done more. yet, there is no indication, as you went through in the last hour, and as many people have reported on, that this administration has moved to do anything to address the underlying concerns. put aside for a minute the question of collusion and obstruction of justice and all of those kind of ancillary investigations. >> right. >> the question of what is this administration doing to directly address the russian activities and to prevent them in the future seems to be nothing at this point. >> right. every intelligence head said, look, it is going to happen again. we're already seeing that in europe and elsewhere. >> thanks to everybody. ahead, we'll hear from a republican on the house intelligence committee and get his take on the russian hack and the ongoing russian threat. does he see any action by the president? now that the president said he didn't tape conversations with james comey, we'll talk about fallout with our legal and political panel next.
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but you'll have to determine for yourself whether or not his story changed. but i did not tape. >> it was a smart way to make sure he stayed honest in the hearings. >> well, it wasn't very stupid. i can tell you that. >> the president also said he doubted special russia counsel robert mueller's objectivity, because he and comey are, quote, very good friends, in the president's word. as randy kay reported earlier, they seemed to be close on a professional but not a personal level. perspective from three harvard guys. jeff, you hear the president say the friendship between james comey and robert mueller is very bothersome. do you agree? >> i don't think it is bothersome. people in washington know each other. mueller is going to be responsible to make these decisions. comey is not the target of this investigation. he's a witness. i think it is working the reps.
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that's what the president is doing. he's entitled to do that. i don't think it really is going to have tennessee an impact on >> should the president be concerned about their relationship, if they're friends, if they talk? >> i think it is a favor to the president because when you're doing a prosecution that's a political prosecution, you have to be -- you can't give the other side an appearance of injustice. comey isn't the target but he is the victim, to the extent that the crime of obstruction of justice, as jeffrey argued, includes the firing of comey by the president. one can easily understand how upset mueller would be by the way his friend was treated, understandably. his friend was treated terribly. so the perception of bias can affect at least the way the public sees this investigation. he can avoid this if he simply does the right thing and says that the firing by the president of comey is not a crime. it is not part of this
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investigation. then the issue is done. >> well, i mean, this goes back to the argument allwe've been having. >> sure. >> at a minimum, mueller has to determine what the facts are and not throw up his hands and say, this is not a crime. that will involve interviewing comey. i don't think he is going to bend over backwards to help his friend. but it does provide an avenue of attack, which the president will use. but, you know, if it is not that, it'll be something else. and there's nothing that can be done about it now. i really think it is a non-issue. i don't blame the president for pointing it out. >> david, when president trump says robert mueller is an honorable man, hopefully he'll come up with an honorable solution, how do you interpret that? >> well, i interpret it that he's -- if he's totally exonerated, it'll be an honorable conclusion. and if he is not, it is dishonorable. i think the president is clearly trying to discredit in advance.
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any kind of conclusion which comes out of bob mueller and his team. >> at one point in the fox news interview, the interviewer said to the president, his tweet suggesting there were tapes of comey was a, quote, smart way to make sure comey stayed honest in the hearings. that was a journalist interviewing the president. his reply was, it wasn't very stupid. i can tell you that. can you decipher that? a, there is no evidence comey changed his story in public or private. the tweet prompted comey to leak his personal memos on the meeting to a friend on the "new york times" that spurred the special counsel. do you see this as helping president trump? >> well, the president has suggested that comey may have changed his testimony. i think he did say that comey originally, through leaks, and comey has been disgraceful, how much leaking comey did it himself. he launders it through a law
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professor. but the initial leaks deny the president asked comey to announce he was not under investigation. then once the statement came out that there might be tapes, comey did say in his testimony that the president did specifically ask him to announce publicly he wasn't under investigation. you know, i don't know whether it helped or hurt. and the fact that comey then leaked the information -- look, comey was determined to get revenge on the president by getting a special counsel appointed. he did it in a way that doesn't add to his reputational benefit. >> it is true comey leaked something because he wanted a special counsel appointed and thought it was a maneuver that'd get it. that is a politically stunning, you know, savvy, however you want to describe it, or alarming move. >> it is. i think alan is right to say, you know, that certainly one way to read that is he did it out of reven
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revenge. there is another way to read it. that is he so deeply worried about the honesty and the professionalism of the people around him in the justice department and in the white house, very importantly in the white house, that he felt it was a matter for the nation's own protection to bring things to light to go for a special counsel. he had more confidence in a special counsel than he did at people who were running the show in the justice department and white house. >> that's a fair point. why didn't he write a letter to the senate committee or to the public and stand behind it and make the points you so eloquently and articulately made? i wish he would have done that. it would have been better than to leak it through a surrogate. >> i agree with that, alan. i think it would have been better to do a letter. it is possible he was responsible for leaks that occurred before he stepped down. but it is worth noting, again, that the leaks continued after he left. so if comey wasn't the only person leaking out of this
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operation -- there have been too many leaks. looks like there are a number of people involved. >> as a journalist, i'd like to speak out in favor of leaks. the more, the better, as far as i'm concerned. but the other point to make about this tweet from the president is, i know it is wonderful to talk about whether james comey did right or wrong, how about the president lying publicly about the existence or non-existence of tapes? he knew there were no tapes. >> now you're calling abraham lincoln and me liars. lincoln used the same tactic in a famous case in illinois, where he led a witness to believe that the almanac showed no moon when he testified full moon. the president showed him the wrong year almanac. i did the same thing in one of my most important cases. i had a cop lying about what my client told him and i led him to believe i had tapes by reading what appeared to be a transcript. it was a transcript of what my client told me. i didn't have tapes. i got him to tell the truth just like --
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>> with all due respect -- >> those weren't lies. >> with all due respect to you and abraham lincoln, i think the president of the united states issuing tweets to the entire country that he knows to be false is very different. >> but he -- >> i think it is a troublesome precedent that will haunt president trump as we read his future tweets and think, hmm, i wonder if that's a false statement that is some tactic, as well. >> you'll enjoy this, particularly both of you, jeffr jeffrey, we know who i am talking about. but there is a current supreme court justice who i used to play poker with all the time. when he or she became a justice, they stopped playing poker because they didn't think it was seemly for a justice to bluff. that may be a lesson that the president should learn also. you know, presidents bluff all the time when it comes to international affairs. i think it is a fair point to
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talk about whether that is presidential. you know, some people have said it is criminal to bluff. i think that's, again, just the notion that people are looking and searching for anything that could be a crime, the notion that a president saying that comey ought to be careful because he doesn't know whether there are tapes constitutes some kind of tampering with a witness goes so beyond the existing criminal law th. i think it shows the zealotry the anti-trump forces are prepared to invoke, even to change the law to get ret retroactively a president they don't like. >> we have to leave the conversation there. david, alan and jeff. the favorite line of the night, with all due respect to president lincoln and you. jeff, thank you for that. see you all later. still to come, next, a republican member of the house intelligence committee's take on the what the president is doing to prevent russian hacking.
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election and the prior administration, but not much about what this administration plans to do or is doing about the next cyber attack. i spoke about it earlier with republican congressman will hurd, a member of the house intelligence and homeland security committees, also a former cia officer. congressman hurd, president trump has spent a lot of time focused on russia. the vast majority seems at least publicly to be refuting collusion between the campaign and russia, which he is very concerned about and denies. as a member of the house intelligence committee, do you think the president should spend more time making sure u.s. elections are never hacked again and less time trying to refute any collusion? >> well, as a member of the house intelligence committee, i'm involved in this invest dpagag gags -- investigation. the most important thing is the investigation is bipartisan and thorough. yes, we should all be concerned with the russian attempt to influence our elections. this is something -- an attack on the dnc is an attack on all of us.
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this was a covert influence operation. we should be making sure that we're talking about, how do we do a counter-covert influence? this is something we've shown we're not prepared for. the russians are going to do it again. they've been doing it for a couple of decades in eastern europe. they did it in our election last time. we should expect to see them again in '18. >> maybe there's stuff happening behind the skoend nd the scenes public isn't aware of. are you aware of initiatives by the white house to try to make sure this doesn't happen again? >> the secretary of homeland security is definitely concerned with this. there's been conversations with other secretaries of state. the house is looking into how can we potentially fund programs that -- have a pool of money available for the secretaries of state to gain access to if they need help upgrading some of their voting systems. there are a couple of states that have systems that are old and outdated. this is something that is a
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major concern when it comes to every single state. so this is -- defending the voting systems is one of the things that a state is responsible for. i know this is a top priority for secretaries of state across the country. >> have you ever heard the president talk about this? >> you know, i don't listen to everything or haven't read everything the president may or may not have said on this particular topic. i do know, i also sit on the homeland security committee, and this is a topic of discussion amongst us. there's been hearings on this. so when you look at across the federal government, there are a number of entities that are focused on this issue. >> the deadline your committee set for the comey memos to be handed over was today. can you say if your committee has received those memos? dpl t >> the day isn't over, and i haven't gotten an update. today is when we were expected to have some of those resources. >> if they aren't turned over, what is the next step for your committee to obtain them?
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>> we have to look at, you know, using our subpoena authorities. this is an important piece of the puzzle, and we should be able to have access to review those. so this is something that chairman conway and the rest of us will evaluate and make sure we receive in a bipartisan manner in order to collect the information. >> hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta is scheduled to testify next week. a lot of folks in the dnc didn't take the hacks seriously enough early enough. what do you want to hear from podes podesta? >> the chain of events. who was notified when? why wasn't this escalated? also, you know, to understand the practices within the organization. you know, basic digital hygiene should have been used. we all know that as elected officials are running for
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office, they were likely targets from not just russians but other countries. so understanding the culture of security and also some of the decisions about whether or not technical information was shared with the federal government to aid in the investigation. these are some of the questions that i'm sure we will explore and get some answers to. >> it sounds like -- i mean, from reporting for months ago from the "new york times," when the fbi called the dnc, they weren't sure they were talking to a real fbi agent and blew it off for a while. seems stunning how they dropped the ball on this. congressman hurd, i look forward to the testimony. thank you so much. >> thank you, anderson. white house staffers are trying to figure out how to handle the crisis. they're also trying to figure out how to handle working for a boss like donald trump. i talked to michael bloomberg about trump's managing style and more when "360" returns.
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doesn't honor it. you pledged the $50 million the u.s. was going to pay. >> i assume they will pay. the federal government has an obligation. they made a deal they would pay. it is hard to believe america is going to renege on a commitment. if they do, i didn't want the people keeping track of all the progress america and other countries are making, i didn't want them to worry about whether or not they'd be funded. i said if the federal government doesn't, bloomberg philanthropies will commit it and other people called me and said, we'd like to help, as well. >> democrats said that the u.s. is basically giving up leadership on climate change. >> no question about that. the cop 21 agreement was designed to favor america. because the negotiators knew that it would be very hard, if not impossible, to get through an american congress. so they made a deal that gave america a better break than anybody else. so to walk away from this is
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just not smart. >> i want to ask you about a couple other issues in the news. i know you won't criticize the president. i'm not looking for you to do that. >> he's got a tough enough job as it is, and i hope he does a good job. i'm an american. my kids and grandkids live here. i want him to be a good president. anything i can do to help him. i think it is wrong for people to say they hope he fails. i criticized mitch mcconnell when he said that about barack obama. i'll criticize any democrat today that says that about donald trump. >> you were critical during the campaign. you spoke at the democratic convention. we all remember that. >> i said my piece, yes. >> do you stand by what you said then? >> i haven't gone back and looked at it but yes. >> i think i saw on "60 minutes" you said the president had given you his cell phone number. >> he did. >> have you used it? >> i have not. nor has he called me. >> okay. i talked to the nsa director recently, and former director of national intelligence james clapper. both talked about concern that the institutions that are the
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bedrock of u.s. democracy are under threat. >> yes. >> do you share that concern? >> it is a disaster. we have spent decades building trust and relationships, and the benefit of that is lots of people around the world, americans, we have not had a world war in 70 years. the time between the first and second world war was 20 years. it's been 70 years since and we haven't. that's because of trade relations. that's because of the eu, i think, has helped in that. we have a lot of our jobs in this country depending on global trade. that comes from relationships as well as treaty. terrorism is something we have to fight together. only if your intelligence services and your governments work together can you do that. the benefits of international cooperation to america are as great as they are for any country in the world. >> when you look at the white house, the way its structured, every former chief of staff, whether republican or democrat,
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i've talked to all say you can want be structured like this. you have to have people in their lanes. you can't have all these different people with an ear to the president. >> i was asked, what's the 100-day question? what'd you do after 100 days? it was asked of me back in 2002, my first year in office, after 100 days. i said, i built a team. that's what i've done in 100 days. that's right but what did you do? built a team. they couldn't get the concept that i built a team, and it was a team that was going to do all the work going forward. nobody knew at that time that it would be for the next 12 years, but a big part of that team stayed for the whole 12 years in a business where people leave after a year or six months or two years. it's the team that does everything. i've said when i was asked about president obama -- or president trump, what he did in the first 100 days. i said he focused too much on trying to pass a few bills and not build a team. you have to have people -- the
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manager's job is not to do it. it is to pick the people and then support them. make sure they're funded, adjudicate disputes between them. when they get in trouble and make a mistake, stand by them so that the rest of your organization knows, as long as you really try to make a decision and it's a decision that is made honestly, that a competent person could have made, even if it turns out to be the wrong one, you don't get pennel liez penalized for it. you get credit because you were willing to try new things. that's what management is about. it is not throwing people overboard when they mess up. >> or undercutting them. if they say one thing, you're changing it in a tweet the next day. >> if one of your staff says something, it puts you in a difficult position paubecause y can't do that. you have to say, well, what he meant to say, or it's my fault. i didn't brief him on some other discussions. he was doing the right thing.
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he didn't get a chance to participate in the meeting where we made that decision. but he is a good guy, trying, or good woman, really doing it for the right reasons. you can't throw them overboard. not only will that person be gone but the rest of your staff won't trust you. >> major bloomberg, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. next, inside the operating room for a risky surgery to separate conjoined twins who were joined at the head. we'll get a look at dr. sanjay gupta's new special report, "separate "separated: zsaving the twins," airing here on cnn in a few minutes. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia
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don't miss the cnn special report "separated: saving the twins." dr. sanjay gupta takes us inside the operating room. two boys, a risky surgery. the boys conjoined at the head. the medical team worked non-stop for 27 hours in the operating room to give them a new life. you'll meet their grateful family. he's a preview. >> reporter: seven hours after the first incision, we check in with the family. it's 5:00 p.m. >> really? no. >> what's weighted in my stock market -- stomach is the phone call. we're in the land of the unknown. are we going to be separated today or are we not? >> reporter: around 10:00 p.m., 12 hours since the operation
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started, doctors hit that land of the unknown. >> so i was at a point that i was wondering whether we were going to lose both kids. >> reporter: goodrich has to stop. >> no, no. don't do that. the reason why, you'll tear these guys. >> reporter: the dream of separating these boys is about to end. >> spoke with sanjay recently about this special report and how the twins are doing now. you were given extraordinary access during -- to be in the operating room for the surgery. what was it like to be there during that? >> i'd never seen anything like it. even as a neurosurgeon, these are very, very rare situations. craniopagus twins, and a significant portion don't survive to delivery. or don't survive the first few months after they're delivered. so to have this and to actually see the whole process from, you know, literally the beginning through these boys care now after the operation was really remarkable for me. >> what was the most surprising
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thing? >> you know, there's just so much technology that goes into something like this. i mean, you have -- >> it is a huge undertaking. >> 27-hour operation. you had teams of surgeons that were constantly toggling back and forth. literally you had a team of surgeons on one boy and a team on the other. even though they were two boys conjoined at the head, from simply giving them medications to help put them to sleep, whatever you give one of the boys, you have to anticipate the effect it's going to have on the other boy. so literally blood is circulating between the two of them constantly. you have to constantly sort of assess for that and predict that. that was pretty remarkable, just the anesthesiology, the nurses, all of that. the planning is meticulous. to see it up front like that, just the hours, you know, of planning ahead of time with a 3-d model was great. >> what about the twins recovery? can they make a full recovery? >> well, they're doing really well.
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you know, you'll see that they're now in rehab. the operation was in october of last year. they were out of the hospital in december. it's been some six months now in rehab. they'd never been upright, right? always flat on their backs. simply getting them to stand upright is an undertaking. then their eyes still be go up because they're used to still looking up. they have to sort of recalibrate their entire central nervous system as a part of this. so it's, as they say, a long road, but to see where they were and where they are now is just -- the two boys are really cute and remarkable. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> watch the special report "separated" after "360" tonight on cnn. first, a sneak peek at anthony bourdain's show. he said he found the best food in the caribbean. see it in a moment. she's nationally recognized
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on the paper. i don't think there's meat but i still like it. it's really good. >> "parts unknown" sunday night at 9:00 eastern and pacific here on cnn. thanks for watching. the cnn special report "separated: saving the twins" starts now. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. anias. >> the rarest of rare. >> hi, pumpkin. >> two boys held together, sharing a brain. their parents facing an impossible decision. knowing their only hope for a future is to be separated. >> if you don't get them separated by 3, you've kind of lost that window. >> a terrifying choice. >> how long into the surgery will you know if you can actually separate that vein or not? >> a dangerous er
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