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the most on demand, your entire dvr, top networks, and live sports on the go. included with xfinity tv. xfinity the future of awesome. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, tensions ratcheted up with north korea after the death of otto warmbier. just how dangerous have things gotten? and can china play a real role in cooling things down? i have a great debate. and chicago mayor rahm emanuel, the no-holds barred former white house chief of staff weighs in on the current white house and the man in charge of it all,
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donald trump. >> they've made some choices that i think will now have consequences that are not just immediate but long-term. also, the urgent issue that the president and rahm emanuel are warning about. america's crumbling infrastructure. and what is the future of conservatism in the trump era? will the world of ronald reagan ever return. >> i pledge to you a government that will not only work well but wisely. >> the always sharp david brooks weighs in. in the middle of the pacific. it should be a paradise. instead, it's a dump. literally. and it's all our fault. i'll explain. but first here's my take. while we've been focused on the results of special elections, the ups and downs of the russia investigation and president trump's latest tweets, under the radar a broad and significant shift in american foreign policy
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appears to be under way. put simply, the u.s. is stumbling its way into another decade of war in the greater middle east. donald trump came into office with a refreshing skepticism about america's policy toward the region. >> everybody that's touched the middle east, they've gotten bogged down. >> but trump also sees himself as a tough guy. >> i would bomb the shi -- out of them. >> he has an array of generals, his macho instinct seems to have triumphed. the administration ramped up military operations across the greater middle east. but what is the underlying strategy? in the fight against isis, u.s. forces have been aggressively initiating attacks resulting in sharp rises in civilian deaths in iraq and syria. and in a dramatic escalation this week, the u.s. shot down a syrian warplane putting washington on a collision course with syria and its ally, russia.
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worst yet, it's unclear how this belligerence towards the assad regime will achieve the sole mission of america's involvement in syria, to defeat isis. logically, if assad gets weaker, his main opposition forces, various militant islamist groups including isis, will get stronger. compounding the incoherence, the administration explained that, while it had attacked assad's forces, it was not fighting the assad regime and the downing was an act of collective self-defense. a few such more acts like this, american combat troops could find themselves on the ground in the middle of the syrian civil war. in afghanistan, trump delegated the mini surge of 4,000 more troops to defense james mate tis and other leaders. >> the united states has been in afghanistan for 16 years. it has had several surges in troop numbers.
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it has spent almost a trillion dollars on that country. and yet, mattis acknowledges that the u.s. is not winning. what will an additional 4,000 troops achieve that over 100,000 troops could not. in yemen, with the arms sales to saudi arabia, the u.s. is further fueling the prox i war against iran. a wlar that led them into a did he facto alliance with al qaeda. it seems likely to persist in this conflict even though it has resulted in a a humanitarian catastrophe. a child in yemen is dying from preventable causes every ten minutes according to unicef and the poorest country in the arab world turned into a wasteland in which terror groups will compete for decades to come. in almost every situation american forces are involved in, the solutions are more political than military. everything military has been tried. this has become especially true
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in places like syria and afghanistan when many regional powers have major interests. military force without a strategy and a deeply engaged political and diplomatic process is destined to fail. perhaps even to produce a series of unintended consequences. think about the last decade and a half. during the campaign, donald trump seemed to be genuinely reflective about america's role in the middle east. >> this is not usually me talking because i'm very proactive as you probably know. >> i know. >> but i would sit back and let's see what's going on. >> yes. after 16 years of continuous warfare, hundreds of thousands dead, trillions of dollars spent and greater regional instability, someone in washington needs to ask before the next bombing, before the next deployment, what is going on? for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post"
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column this week. let's get started. ♪ >> rahm emanuel knows just how tough it is to enter the white house on inauguration day and try to set up a president's agenda. he did it. emanuel was president obama's first chief of staff. when he walked into the white house on january 20th, 2009, he had the huge additional challenge that the american economy was imploding with the worst global recession since the 1980s, perhaps since the 1930s already under way. so how would he grade the first five months of the current resident of 1600 pennsylvania avenue? his chief of staff, the rest of administration? joining me is the mayor of chicago, rahm emanuel. so, rahm, when you're watching them, what do you think? >> thank god i'm mayor of the city of chicago. here's what i would say, fareed.
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i used to tell president clinton this. if we knew in the first year of the first term what we knew by the first year of the second term, we'd all be geniuses. nobody is really, ever, ever ready. the only thing that prepares you is the campaign. but you have a president that never held office and basically everybody in the white house but a few have never actually been there. you focused on me from president obama, i was senior adviser of president clinton. but you also had other members of ron clan, vice president's biden chief of staff was in the white house before. you had a number of people there that had the experience of the rhythm of a white house and knowing how to constantly weigh policy against politics against the public relations. and that's the kind of three-dimensional chess you have to do. i would just say they've made some choices that i think will now have consequence that is are not just immediate but
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long-term. and they need some victories. i keep emphasizing that victories beget victories, losses beget losses. i think they've made mistakes that exacerbated already a troubling fragile coalition and political position of a president. >> so what is a white house like in a situation like this? you saw the clinton white house during the impeachment process. is it a bunker mentality? is it a siege mentality? is it possible for people to just execute policy and to plan policy, or is the investigation taking over everything? >> well, if anybody tells you the investigation doesn't permeate, they're not being honest with you. you have to fight it, but it doesn't mean you're going to succeed. but you have to fight it. what that means, you have to set up a separate communication, separate legal, separate kind of congressional and outreach. then a total white house operation. i think, if you go back, we did
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a pretty good job under the ken star investigation with president clinton. if we high fived each other and said we kept it chinese wall, that's not honest. it's too dominant a factor. it's very hard to keep an investigation of the presidency and the people in the white house separate from day-to-day operations. very hard. but it is what you have to do. >> do you understand the sort of bannon strategy, which seems to be go for your base because you'll always have them, these guys are the center, they'll never come to you and that's the theory, it has begat at 36% approval rating. seems to me it doesn't work. but what do you think? >> you have to separate this. there are different needs from congressional to local party officials versus your statewides. it may work for president trump. but it does not work for the
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rest of the republicans. and his relationship with his voters may not be transferrable. we're going to find out stuff pretty soon relating to other congressional races and elections in new jersey and virginia for governor, et cetera. the strategy is straightforward. get their voters and keep them on amphetamines, highly charged. i'm not sure where the battle grounds for congress are, the battlegrounds for the statehouses. that's going to be an electoral strategy for success up and down the republican ticket. i think, it's not just a strategy, there's a set of policy decisions that are slowly but surely alienating persuadable voters. i think basically, as far out as you really can see now, which i don't think you can, this election in 2018 will be a referendum on trump. democrats are going to say we're going to be a check on this president, a checkmate and the republicans -- and we're going to accuse republicans of being a
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blank check. >> explain something to me. the one policy person -- why wouldn't he when he came into office have done what he said he was going to do throughout the campaign, announce the creation of make america great bonds, 40, 50 or whatever you call them. the rates at the lowest you'll see and actually build infrastructure, putting people to work, putting his base to work. why has he not done that? >> fareed, i'll give you one up on that. think his presidency had he started on the one area bipartisan rather than the one area like health care which was going to be hopolarization. he'd have democrats in a position, we'd have to decide to cooperate and, therefore, our base would be angry or work with him on building something. his entire presidency would be focused on the one thing he pledged, which is jobs. he decided to do the exact
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opposite, which is to go to a set of policies on health care that would be divisive and unproductive. as somebody who worked on health care, it was going to be a cul-de-sac. that's what happened. politically and economically and it's wrong. my view is, he made both a political and a policy blunder of the first order, which is what rookies make when they come right out of the box. >> do you think it was because he listened to people like paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who said this is what the republicans want? >> i don't know. i only know what i read. i don't know -- i know -- the one thing i do know, what you read is 10% usually of the ice above the water level. you don't know everything below. but the end of the day, the president makes the call. he can listen to all the advice, but only one guy that makes the call. had he started on infrastructure, one, it would have been good for the economy. two, bipartisan and three, he would have been focused on his core message, which was jobs. the talk about health care
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vis-a-vis his base, i think, misread what his wanted. i think it was a misreading of the republican base. he changed the republican base and republicans in congress aren't up to speed with what his base is. that's a political analysis, but it's actually, if you look at the history -- >> his base is actually -- >> more jobs focused, more america focus. >> and working class -- not the ideological debate about -- >> totally misreading, i think, what the base is. therefore -- but he made that call. i think there's fundamentally a dire need and a desire, both a dire need and a desire to build a 21st century transportation system for a 21st century economy. you can see places succeeding and investing in the future and you can see people that aren't investing and what's happening to their economy. >> but it will cost money? >> i mean, you can't -- it cost money to build it, it's going to cost money to build the future. back in a moment.
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you would be forgiven if you've missed entirely the president's infrastructure week at the beginning of the month. after all, the week happened to coincide with the most anticipated testimony since watergate. jim comey's. trump announced that america deserves the best infrastructure in the world and said in a trumpian manner. >> it's time to rebuild our country to bring back our jobs to restore our dreams and yes, it's time finally to put america first. >> in calling attention to america's infrastructure problems, president trump finds himself with some strange bedfellows like my guest, chicago mayor rahm emanuel. what do you think of trump's plan? >> well, i don't know it. the one thing that came out of it is somewhat the aviation
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system. i fundamentally believed you're not going to get from here to there, a 21st century transportation system for a 21st century economy without money. i'm open to public and private. we've done some of that. but it doesn't replace public. i'm for an increase in the gas tax. it's real money for real problems that will solve real problems. 1994 was the last time the increase in a gas tax and we did index it to inflation. if you ask president clinton, he would have told you that was a mistake. a lesson when i became mayor, we raised the water rate over a four-year window and indexed it to inflation. i don't want another mayor or politics to ham that. it's 900 miles of water pipe. 670 miles of sewer pipe, two largest water filtration plants in the united states and pumping stations will be totally rebuilt. then it's indexed, so the work continues. >> rahm, you have found a way to
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make chicago's infrastructure great again without much help from the federal government. explain how. >> some yes, some no. on the airports, basically when we're done with the new runway system, o'hare will have added midway's capacity. >> two new runways? >> two new runways. when the system is complete, we're the only city in the united states that built a third airport. we're adding midway's capacity to o'hare. >> an express train line to the airport. >> we're exploring that and working on rfp exactly on that. our mass transit system, half the track will be new by 2019. a third -- about 40 individual tracks will be totally new. every railcar by 2019 will be totally new or rebuilt. we have 4g, the first mass transit system with 4g on it. we've done it with local, state and federal resources but the skol modernization, we're doing
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that alone as a city. >> you point out, this means lots of jobs for people in chicago. >> we have about -- if you do it over a four-year window this next leg is construction jobs all building trade jobs in the first four years it was also a similar kind of 52,000 jobs. we are now last april was the lowest unemployment rate in april in the history of the city of chicago. i'll give you other data points. five years in a row, number one city in corporate relocations in the united states of america. five years in a row, number one for direct foreign investment in the united states of america. my most important as it relates to this. every year for the last five years, the city of chicago's economy grew faster than the united states, faster than new york and faster than d.c. i do believe investments in transportation system in capital has created a foundation for greater and faster economic growth than the country as a whole. >> rahm emanuel, pleasure to
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on monday, american student otto warmbier died just days after being released from 17 months of custody in north korea. in response, president trump tweeted "the u.s. once again condemns the brutality of the north korean regime as we mourn its latest victim."
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and then "while i greatly appreciate the efforts of president xi and china to help with noork, it has not worked out." well get to the bottom of what trump meant and whether there is anything he can do about this rogue regime. joining me now the president of the -- and victor the chair of for strategic -- >> pleasure to be with you. >> victor, a lot of people argue that, while we think that north korea is under brutal sanctions, the most sanctioned regime and, therefore, there isn't much more one can do about it, there are a number of people who say, when you look at it closely and you look at the actual enforcement of sanctions, we could turn the screws a lot more tightly on north korea. do you agree? >> yeah. fareed, i think that's right. when you compare the sanctions
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regime that was against -- that against north korea, there really is no comparison to sanctions against iran. much more comprehensive. in the case of north korea, a very important player in a sanctions regime is going to be china because 85% of north korea's external trade is with china. we can do other things on the margins trying to impose sanctions for human rights violations and other sorts of things. but the key player really there is china. and china -- >> do you think that donald trump was accurate in saying that the chinese tried but weren't able to succeed? because a lot of people feel the chinese always promise they're going to crack down this time and at the end of the day they never really do. it's a set of reasons. it's an old ally, they worry about the consequences of destabilizing but they never push that hard. >> yeah. unfortunately, i think that's
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right. china is the key player. but they will not put enough pressure on the regime for fear that it's going to collapse. china has said that they will impose a call ban on north korea. they don't appear to be living up to that. to stop coal imports. commercial satellite imagery of the north korean -- show infrastructure and construction projects in place which don't look like what you expect from a regime feeling the pinch of worldwide sanctions. so china is not doing what it should be doing in terms of this. there are many reasons as you said as to why that's the case. and that is perhaps why president trump tweeted what he did. >> joe, you have a kind of wholly different view of an alternate path to getting north korea denuclearized. why don't you lay it out. >> sure. you can get china to do more and
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you can put more sanctions on north korea and ee should do that. sanctions alone are never going to solve your problem. no country in history has ever been coe mersed into compliance or collapse over a nuclear-related sanctions regime. lots of countries have been convinced to give up nuclear weapons. this is the missing element. the chinese are willing to do more but they want to know what is the united states going to do. are you willing to enter into talks with north korea, for example? there are four countries key to solving this problem. obviously the united states and north korea but south korea and china. right now, you have the chinese, the south koreans and even the north koreans singing notes from the same song. they're willing to talk about a freeze on north korean capabilities, not the elimination. what do the north koreans want? they want security assurances from the united states. they want that manifested in a freeze on u.s. and south korean joint military exercises on their border. the question is, is the u.s. willing to do that?
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>> victor, i'm going to assume you're going to say we tried that in 2005, they were made a kind offer and during the clinton years and it didn't work. >> yeah. the north koreans have been given on numerous occasions security assurances, even negative security assurance in the six-party talks, which the united states said on paper we will not attack with north korea with nuclear conventional weapons. you know, i'm all in favor of a freeze as well. i do believe that the north korean, the chinese and the south koreans are moving towards a poogs whesition where the uni states needs to stop military exercises with the south koreans in return for a freeze. i don't think that's a particularly good deal. those exercises are purely defensive and readiness, if there's ever a need for readiness anywhere in the world is on the korean border.
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maybe there are other ways to get to a freeze. to give up military exercises tore that would be more on the united states than in the past for a lot less what we've gotten in the past. i don't think that's negotiation. >> joe, what do you say to those who say we've tried this in the clinton years. bush made an offer. the north koreans never quite agree or comply? >> victor is absolutely right. there are sound reasons why we do those joint exercises. this would be painful for us to give it up. that's right. but if you're not going to give that up, what are you going to give up? this is really the core of the problem right now. isn't actually north korean intransigents, they're willing to talk. we don't have a north korean policy. we tried to outsource it to china thinking they were going to solve it for us. that was always a pipe dream. what is our policy? it is incoherent right now. the south koreans don't know, the chinese don't know, the japanese don't know. the administration is running on
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fumes and partially it's because they haven't brought the people in who could do the job. haven't appointed people in the state department who know what they're doing who can do this. look, there's one person on the show right now who would be an excellent assistant secretary of state to help solve problem. it ain't me. >> well, on that note of recommendation, which we hope president trump is listening to, we have to end it now. victor, joe, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you fareed. next on gps, many things to fear in today's world. one of the scariest is small, smaller than the eye can see. what you need to know about germs and why it's scary when we get back.
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now, what in the world segment. you hear a lot about the enormous threats coming from terrorism, global warming and vladimir putin. but one of the biggest threats facing the united states isn't big at all. actually, it's tiny, microscopic, thousands of times smaller. deadly pathogens either man made or natural could trigger a global health crisis and the united states is wholly unprepared to deal with it. with all the things that coukil more than 10 million people in the world, the most likely is an epidemic stemming from either natural causes or bioterrorism. the worldwide flu pandemic could result in a global economic loss of $3 trillion, which makes president trump's latest budget proposal released last month all the more stunning.
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he's asking for draconian spending cuts that are tasked with protecting americans from deadly diseases and bioterrorism. the budget is called a new foundation for american greatness and it's anything but. here are just a few examples of proposed cuts. the centers for disease control and prevention's budget will go from 7.7 billion to $6.4 billion. a 17% cut. the national institutes of health will go from 31.8 to $26 billion, an 18% cut. there are other examples too. like the obscure national center for ee nerjing and xu not i can infectious disease within the cdc and goal is to protect against the unintentional or intentional spread of infectious diseases like anthrax, ebola, plague. that budget goes down from 579 to -- a cut of 11%.
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as you can imagine, many in the scientific community -- the former head of the cdc, tweeted that the proposed budget was unsafe at any level of enactment. even representative tom cole said cutting the centers for disease control leaves the american people very vulnerable. the administration seems to have developed a.m. near i can't about the global health emergencies of the recent past. between late 2013 and january 2016, more than 11,000 people died from the wildly contagious ebola virus which ravage liberia, sierra leone and guinea with some in nigeria, spain and the united states. then as the mosquito-borne zika virus which the department of defense estimates infected at least 170,000 individuals in the western hemisphere since 2015. zika has been linked to the
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birth defect microcephaly and it remains a significant enduring public health challenge requiring intense action. one only needs to look back to 1918 when the spanish flu pandemic killed an estimated 50 million people around the globe. in many ways we're more vulnerable today. densely packed cities, wars, natural disasters and international -- mean a deadly virus propagated in a small region in africa can be transmitted almost anywhere in the world, including the united states within 24 hours. i haven't even touched upon the potential for bioterrorism. according to daniel ger stein of rand, biological weapons are now within the reach of many rogue nations and possibly terrorist groups. which is to say a budget based on america first is shortsighted and won't help the u.s. stave off the threat from deadly
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pathogens. global pandemics count across all national boundaries. pathoge pathogens, viruses and diseases are equal opportunity killers. when the crisis comes, we will wish we had more funding and more global cooperation. but then, it will be too late. up next is the conservatism of ronald reagan dead and gone forever? david brooks weighs in on the future of the right in the wake of donald trump. when you replacl or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday progress. i realize that ah, that $100k is notwell, a 103fortune. yeah, 103. well, let me ask you guys. how long did it take you two to save that? a long time. then it's a fortune. well, i'm sure you talk to people all the time who think $100k is just pocket change. right now we're just talking to you.
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ronald reagan, in the miejds of many on the right he will forever be the kicng of conservatism. what does donald trump's presidency represent? where does conservatism go from here? where does the republican party go from here?
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early in the week i had the opportunity to talk to a man who thinks a lot about these issues. "the new york times" columnist david brooks. >> david brooks, pleasure to have you on. >> good to be with you. >> when you look at trump and the way he's been governing, the things he's passed, it's a hodgepodge of some things that seem hardcore republican economic agenda, repeal of obamacare, some of it is the trade protectionism he's always promised. is there a new conservatism developing? >> no, i don't think so. not in this administration. i think we saw glimmers of it in the campaign. and what trump understood that a lot of us didn't understand what debate we were having, we grew up in the debate of big government versus small government. whether you want to use government to finance equality or reduce government to enhance -- in the campaign, he said it's not our debate. as many people, including you, it's open, closed.
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between the headwinds blasting in their faces and closed waters, closed trade. those that feel it's pushing at your back with open trade and opportunity. he hasn't delivered on that. >> he hasn't helped the people in the office. people basically believed in the reagan of 1984, cut tax rates, reduce government regulation and so i think he opened the door for a new kind of conservatism, but has not fulfilled it. that's for somebody in the future. >> so where do republicans go? when you look at republican congressm congressmen, politicians, have they looked at that campaign and said, we need to become more populous conservatives? is that where the party is heading? >> there was a book that was real useful to read. a short book called the structure of scientific revolutions by thomas kuhn. he said what happens in science?
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you get a paradigm, reaganism. that was a paradigm. it works for a little while and slowly it detaches from reality. it's hollow but nobody knows t somebody comes along, punctures it and it collapses. that's what trump did to reaganism. then you get this period of chaos where people really haven't released the old paradigms and then a competition of paradigms. in the republican party, you're going to get a pal yoe conservative, pat buchanan paradigm, a whole bunch of different ones and they will fight it out. if i had to bet, i would like an alexander hamilton open trade lot of immigration, lot of economic dynamism. but trankly, when i look at the polls, there are not a lot of people who want what i want. the steve bannons of the world, that's where a lot of the people are. they're older, economically disadvantaged and they want a national conservatism that will protect them.
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>> and if that is what they want, the party you think will fold. to me, what's been interesting to watch is conservative intellectuals have, by and large, particularly the more prominent ones like you, have stuck true to their ideas and ideals and been very critical of trump. i think somebody like -- got fired from fox for that reason. >> right. >> the republican politicians have not. they have all caved and in some way or the other have accommodated themselves to trump. >> yeah. either those of us in the class are high bound and rigid or stuck with our ideas and not reflecti reflecting reality or the politicians are craven and don't want to lose their jobs and they will go where the people are. that's basically where they are. one of the things we've learned and trump demonstrated, parties are not that eye dee loideologi >> what parties are these days are cultural significant any
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fires, social identity markers and just teams. and people think, what team has people like me on it? what fits my social identity? a lot of people looked around, a lot of suburban women in missouri and said sarah palin, she's kind of like me. whether sarah palin believed in high tax rates or low tax rates or health insurance markets or some other health care policy, that's not what they were thinking about. they were thinking who is like me? for a lot of people in the republican party, which is older, whiter and less educated at the core, trump was like that. >> does that tell you that they will be loyal to him to the end if these investigations go badly for the president? >> yeah, pretty much. one of the things i think we've learned in spades over the last 20 years, we get super excited about scandal. we think it's about to tear that person down. time and time again, when you go out to districts where people
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are voting, it's just in the background and they're voting the things that they care about. their economics, the health care, their education or they like the person. so my conversations with trump voters, the scandals don't come up. they think it always a buffoon or whatever. at least, basically just trying to say the right things. so i don't think it will have any -- >> and is part of trump's support that that core, 35% or so of the country, strengthened every time the media criticizes him? because the last thing they want to do is give you the satisfaction of having been right about donald trump. >> one of the things we learned about the structure in this country, people in the lower middle class or working class or people who voted for trump do not mind rich people or billionaires. but they mind our bossy professionals, teachers, lawyers, journalists who seem to want to tell them what to do or seem to want to tell them how to
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act. if you had to pick the classic epitome of the person who offends them, that would be hillary clinton. she was exactly the wrong person. i find them remarkably stable in their support. there's been some seepage around the edge for donald trump, but so far it's just seepage. >> david brooks, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next up, henderson island is in the middle of the south pacific. but all rights it should be a paradise. instead, it's a dumb am. literally. find out why when we come back. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. pb am. literally. find out why when we come back. . literally. find out why when we come back. . literally. find out why when we come back. . literally. find out why when we come back. . literally. find out why when we come back. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh ... he got there. that's the power of and.
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for the nearly 70 years since chinese nationalists
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barricaded themselves from communist revolution, china has considered taiwan its own territory. it does not have diplomatic ties to any country that recognizes taiwan's independence. brings me to my question. which country cut ties to taiwan last week to establish diplomatic relations with china? panama, guatemala, nicaragua or honduras? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is ed loose's the retreat of western liberalism. this is a sobering analysis that suggests that the open democratic order that has sustained the western world is crumbling. the reasons are many, from soaring inequality to slowing growth to rising powers like china and india. loose is intelligent throughout and his tone is urgent, appropriately so. now for the last look. henderson island is a remote uninhabited island in the south pacific, about 3,500 miles west
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of chile. sounds like it should be a beachside paradise, right? take a look at these photographs showing what this secluded spot actually looks like. despite isolation from humans, current have swept in an incredible amount of garbage on to the island. in a new study, scientists were alarmed and traveled to henderson. they found the densest plastic pollution ever recorded on earth. it's covered with roughly 38 million pieces of plastic from around the globe and more than 3,500 pieces of debris are thought to be deposited on the north beach of the island every day. according to plastic ocean's foundations, humans use 300 million tons of new plastic annually. half of which is for single use. a world economic forum study points out that the equivalent of one garbage truck full of plastic is dumped into the seas
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every minute. by 2050, they say, there could be more plastic in the ocean than fish. this, of course, affects beaches and marine wildlife but the toxic plastic often eroded into small pieces also enters the food chain when fish that end up on aur plates consume it. so if you want to one day find yourself a beachside paradise, please make sure that today you are reusing and recycling. as one of the reports authors told us, we as individuals can do a lot and we need to, fast. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is a, one year after the president of panama hosted taiwan's president for the opening of the expanded panama canal, the panamanian government ditched taipei to establish diplomatic ties with beijing. china's commercial might and increasing clout on the world stage has made it more and more difficult for taiwan's allies to
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stand by taipei. as "the new york times" tellingly pointed out, even though taiwan's president attended the opening ceremony last year, the first vessel to pass through it was actually chinese. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. i'm brian selter. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is reliable sources, our weekly look at the story behind the story and how the media really works and how the news gets made. ahead this hour, a rare interview you don't want to miss with tv legend phil donahue. sharing his surprising views on the media's trump coverage and the president's relationship with his favorite morning show. we've investigated his ties to fox and friends. what he's hearing every morning when he turns on the tv. i'll explain how this is the fox news presidency. a little later, the public seems to be in the dark about the