including grandparents and even fiancees left off the list. any applicant unable to demonstrate this close relationship traveling from those six countries will be banned for 90 days. the state department criteria was sent to all u.s. embassies and consulates yesterday. some worry we could see scenes like these protests in january when the travel ban first went into effect. this as the u.s. tightens security. >> we can't play a national whack-a-mole with each threat. >> reporter: announcing new measures that will include greater scrutiny of passengers, canines that detect explosives and enhanced screening of electronic devices. the dhs choosing not to implement an all-out laptop ban but leaving the option on the table. >> make no mistake. our enemies are constantly

working to find new methods for disguising explosives, recruiting insiders and. >> those who choose not to cooperate could be sub jerkt to other restrictions including a ban on electronic devices on aircraft or even suspension of their flight into the united states. >> reporter: kelly refused to detail all the new requirements for security reasons noting the screening guidelines will be both seen and unseen and phased in over time. the travel ban guidelines will go into effect immediately later tonight. collar ris sarks chris? >> laura, appreciate it. let's discuss what just happened here. we know the president has a right to do this in law, but was it right to do and is there a right way to make it work? joining us now, "washington post" reporter ka reason demerger, senior

counterterrorism analyst phillip mud and senior analyst danny saf val low. >> there's been constant speculation the president, the executive would be on strong feel footing when it comes to identifying threats to national security and making propositions to immigration procedures because of that. so legally, he can do this, but the right way to do it, i can't find bona fide relationship as a legal standard in other case reckonings from the checklist. there used to be specific exemptions, the fiancee exception was in the immigration law. what counts, what doesn't count? >> this is exactly justice thomas's concern, as we move forward, in this short time the ban will be in effect before the supreme court can ultimately hear the case, what is a bona fide relationship? it's going to invite litigation.

if you don't give a good definition in the supreme court's opinion, then it leaves the litigants to figure out what it means. the courts will before just as busy in the coming months fleshing out what exactly that means because we're left without a definition. >> phil, when it comes to enacting this, five months ago today, i believe, is when we saw the this chaos in the airports. to your understanding, how do you prevent a repeat of that and how much added bureaucracy is added by this new component of defining bona fide relationship? who will be tasked with ascertaining who or does not have a bona fide relationship? >> i think what we're going to be seeing here is airlines are going to be saying do you have a visa to come to the united states because they'll be saying it's the u.s. visa officer's responsibility to determine what is a bona fide relationship.

once at the airport, i think they'll say if the state department gave you the right to come here. if you want a ban that's going to cost chaos. we don't agree with the risk assessment so the department of homeland security went and say, all right, if you won't agree to a ban, is that a compromise. that's what we see now, for example, sniffer dogs. i think there's a compromise between the europeans who have a lower risk threshold than the europeans and the europeans say you can give us a few rules, but not a laptop ban, too chaotic. >> i was talking about the scenes of chaos when the travel ban went into effect, we saw all those people at the airports, the protests, a lot of confusion. how do you prevent that from happening again?

>> i mentioned earlier, one of the preventions is to ensure the state department knows exactly what the rulings are when they issue visa. i think we will continue to see chaos at airports because families will say what the heck do you mean by a bona fide relationship? i hope the rules on how to execute this are very clear to visa officers overseas. as i looked at this overnight this morning, understanding exactly whether -- as chris was saying earlier, whether it's a grandma or fiancee and whether there's a difference between the two, i think will cause a lot of chaos. >> this is going to be tricky ka reason when you look at it, they're saying you've got to find something that's legit, we leave it up to you, the executive, to figure that out. the reason i bring up the fiancee thing, that shows where we are in terms of the political nature of this. we had the case in san

bernardino where trump seized on the fact that he married this woman overseas and who was she and how did she get here? being a fiancee became a politically active consideration. fiancees were already carved out in immigration law as having special access to this country. you could say here for a certain period pending your marriage. now that's been undone. for 90 days, what happens at the end of 90 days? there's so many questions here? >> i think that's a very good point. the questions are not going to go away in this next stretch of the summer before we get into october is going to be the point you test this out to see how much chaos does come of it. the state department and the administration will be testing it out, too, to see what they can do. you look at the list of these criteria and you see the clues of some of the categories seem like they're inspired by the threshold of family visas.

some seem to be inspired by recent tragic events that highlighted the existence of certain categories of visas that otherwise americans were not thinking about but now perceive as a potential threat. you can see in that list responses to all that. the unfortunate part is, if you think about these countries and people still stuck in many of these countries in unstable conditions, probably you've had immediate family at this point be able to potentially find a way out but you still have grandparents and cousins and people who are there are going to be stuck. before it was possible to use the sponsorship field to get those people out. >> this isn't playing clever hypotheticals. clarissa, you've lived this, people desperate to leave conditions, humanitarian disasters like you're seeing in syria. now they're told 120 days. that's just a number on paper,

but what can that mean in terms of a life condition for people? >> obviously i think a lot of people in these countries feel devastated, it's an added layer before they get to a better life. beyond that, it's confusion of why these six countries. the terror attacks we're seeing taking place across the west are being perpetrated by european and u.s. nationals. there's still a lot of questions as to what real impact this ban will actually have on national security. anyway, i will end it there. thank you so much, panel. we appreciate you weighing in as always. we'll be checking back in with you later. president trump is under scrutiny for how he is managing threats posed by other countries. sources tell cnn the president's advisers are struggling to convince him of the threat russia poses and why he hasn't taken a harder line against the kremlin, cnn's joe johns is live

at the white house with more. joe, what can you tell us? >> good morning, clarissa, a trump campaign fund-raiser in washington last night paints a real picture, the leader of the free world, five months into his first term, already preparing to participate in the american democratic process at the highest level with a threat to american democracy still out there. senior administration officials say they are struggling to convince the president to take the problem of russian election interference seriously. top administration officials frustrated that the president has taken no public steps to punish russia for the election interference as he continues to, instead, fault his predecessor. >> obama knew about russia a long time before the election and did nothing about it. >> reporter: multiple senior administration officials telling cnn that there's little evidence the president is devoting time or attention to the very real

cyber threat despite warnings from his own intelligence officials. >> this is a wave of the future. we have an election coming up in 18 months. we have to protect this or we're not a real democracy anymore if we don't watch out. >> reporter: nsa director mike rogers expressing concern about his inability to convince the president to accept that russia meddled in the election according to a congressional source familiar with the meeting. >> if this president won't acknowledge what happened in his own election, what hope do we have he'll speak out when they do this again? >> reporter: press secretary sean spicer insisting the president is taking the russian cyber threat seriously saying the united states continues to combat on a regular basis malicious cyber activity and will continue to do so without bragging to the media or defending itself against unfair media criticism. u.n. ambassador nikki haley telling a congressional committee wednesday she has not discussed this pressing national

security issue with the president or her russian counterparts. >> what would you want me to say to them? i'm at the u.n. we're working on international issues. >> the russians are at the united nations. have you received any instructions at all with respect to them meddling in our elections, like don't talk about that? >> it hasn't come up. >> reporter: standing in stark contrast to the collusion investigation which has consumed his attention. >> there's been no collusion, no obstruction. >> there have been public comments that suggest there's been no overwhelming evidence to suggestion there was collusion. it's not for me to judge, but i can only address it as milestones of what we know as of today. >> as the russia investigation continues, the senate intelligence committee chairman tells cnn he has formally requested copies of former fbi

director james comey's members on his interactions with the president. on a foreign policy front, the white house says the president thwarted a chemical weapons attack earlier this week when he sent a warning to syria. back to you. >> we're seeing this need for shifting from talking about a threat to planning for one and having specific strategies. another place where that's very relevant is the issue of north korea. two u.s. military officials are telling cnn there are revised options for what to do vis-a-vis north korea. they'll present these to the president if pyongyang takes another provocative action. cnn's barbara starr live at the pentagon live with more. this has been a big question for the president. what are you going to do about these situations around the globe, north korea near the top of the list? >> reporter: good morning, chris. let's start with the administration. the pentagon certainly is saying it hopes dim ploem see works, that china can pressure north

korea to ratchet back on its program there are now updated revised military options for president trump because the concern is north korea is moving so fast on its ballistic missile development, on its underground nuclear testing, that it really poses a much more immediate threat of being able to field a weapon that could attack the united states. national security adviser general h.r. mcmaster talked about this openly just yesterday. >> the threat is much more immediate now. it's clear we can't repeat the same failed approach in the hospital. there's a recognition that there has to be more pressure on the regime. i think what you'll see in coming days or weeks are efforts to do that. >> so what has really changed behind the scenes? defense officials are telling us north korea has improved its

ability to deceive the u.s. about its testing, that it's much more difficult for the u.s. to keep watch and understand what is happening on the ground with north korea's program. clarissa. >> okay, barbara starr. as we can see, president trump clearly facing several complex dangerous international threats, russia, north korea, syria. how is he handling them? one former diplomat says when it comes to russia, he is neglecting his duty. ambassador nicholas burns joins ambassador nicholas burns joins us next to explain. from the largest financial matomallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that's the power of and.

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it is his duty, president trump's, to be skeptical of russia. it's his duty to investigate and defend our country against a cyber offensive because russia is our most dangerous adversary in the world today. if he continues to refuse to act, it's a dereliction of the basic duty to defend the country. >> all right. strong words there from former nato ambassador nicholas burns testifying before the senate intelligence committee, this as cnn learns the president's advisers are struggling to convince him of the russian threat. ambassador burns joins us along with phil mudd and lieutenant general mark hertling. ambassador, you had strong words not just for president trump but

president obama. there's a sense that perhaps one president didn't do enough, another president also did not do enough in a very different way. what to your mind is the sort of goldilocks position here, the sweet spot that would marry the two approaches? what would you like to have seen from both presidents? >> i think the far greater problem has been with president trump. president obama had a tough call last summer in autumn because if he had come to the american people and declared what we knew that russia was assaulting the united states elections, he would have been accused of interfering with the elections. the lessons have to be learned. it was too little too late by the obama administration. it's worse by the trump administration. the intelligence officials know there was an attack on us, on our election system. the president hasn't launch an investigation, he hasn't

supported the senate bill for stronger sanctions against the russians, not worked with the allies. there have been similar russian assaults on the dutch, german elections, and he hasn't begun to work with our state and local authorities to protect the 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential elections. we need to be speedy here. the manuel macron campaign, they made a big deal about russian interference in their election. all the french people knew there was propaganda floating around, the russians were exposed. it was the speed and decisiveness that made a difference there. we can learn a lot from the europeans. it was interesting when i testified before the senate committee on intelligence yesterday, not a lot of people defending donald trump. i think congress is looking for action and looking for some toughness. >> you identify an interesting component of this that we have to speak about, phil mudd, and that is the public insistence,

the public appetite, the demand of the people for action. you've talked about this before in terms of where the americans are on a particular issue, and that will promote any action that comes from their government. when it comes to russian interference, it's been so politicized that we don't see people here calling out for this to stop, to never happen again. it hasn't reached that level here. do you think that's a big factor in why we've seen inaction from the trump administration? >> i don't think it is -- well, partly a factor. when i go out into the public, i don't hear people asking me about this much, but they shouldn't have to ask. government is failing them, chris. i'm a little skeptical on this issue of how harshly to judge president obama for a similar reason. the ambassador talked about the political problem president obama had. that is, if he goes out before the election and crushes the russians, people say that's because you want to make candidate trump look bad. he has 60 days before the

inauguration, are you going to saddle the president with a huge campaign against russia. the reason i say government fail is typically in this situation this is a three-foot putt. you coordinate as the outgoing president with the incoming president. you say you have a national security problem, and within a week of coming into office president trump tells his national security adviser, convene the department of homeland security, department of offense, state department, cia, fbi, talk to them about how to deal with the russians, talk to silicon valley about how to keep fake news off the airwaves during the next election and talk to state election officials about how to protect the voting booth. this is not that hard. >> general hertling, from a military perspective, we heard ambassador burns in his testimony say he views russia as the single greatest adversary to the u.s. we heard some outlines there of political steps that could be taken. militarily, given that the russians are engaged in this asymmetrical warfare, what are the military options here in

terms of responding to the threat that russia poses? >> first of all, clarissa, let me reinstate what ambassador burns said, russia is dangerous and there many -- i'm one of them -- that think they're an existential threat to our k country and to our allies. they've been doing things since 2004, 2005 and taken away other countries' sovereignty in contradiction to what they say they would do. now they're using asymmetrical means, using cyberattacks and attempts to disrupt not only our government but other governments as a way to disrupt the rest and the united states. what can we do about it? we can increase sanctions. we should not be so diplomatically koes see with the russians which we seem to be doing right now. we should look at military options in several regards and we should look at potentially cyberattacks in reverse.

we should go on the cyber offensive to the things they have been doing not only to us but to other nations. some of that is taking place. >> look, the big roadblock here, ambassador, seems to be politics, right? every time president trump hears russian interference, he hears bad for trump. that has to be part of his motivation to ignore all the intelligence assessments and all the facts that point to russia's hand in the interference during the election. if it's a mainly political play, how do you get around it? >> chris, i think that is the val point. trz is convinced that if he does anything against russia, he's responding to the country that helped him defeat hillary clinton. that's the pressure point i think for him. if you look at what secretary mattis and secretary tillerson have said for months now, they recognize russia interfered in our election, that something needs to be done about it. appears the only person in washington who doesn't want to

do something is president trump. there needs to be congressional pressure. there is this big bill now that the senate passed by a 97-2 margin to inflict tough sanctions on the russians because they interfered oin our elections. the trump administration is trying to water it down. when i was talking to the senate, i got the clear impression the senate wants do go forward with that bill, and they're right. we need to raise our defenses. as the general says, there are ways the united states can hit back by asymmetric means, not a conventioned attack. if the russians are going to attack us by sovereign means, we have capacity, too. >> phil, a quick finishing thought, u.s. ambassador nikki haley saying the white house's warning to the regime of bashar al assad averted a chemical attack. your thoughts on that? >> i think it's possibly true.

the bottom line is we're never going to know. i don't think the intelligence will be clear on this. i don't see the harm if we believe through intelligence that syria is going to attack civilians with chemical weapons for an administration including a trump administration warning. what's the downside? i'm not sure i'd brag about it. if you think they're going to do it, go warn them and maybe you'll have success. >> beyond that, as general hertling has said on the show before, there's a need for a specific strategy on what to do militarily and politically in syria, it needs to be presented to the mary khan people and to congress for them to vote. the legal authority the president is working on right now is to fight al qaeda from 2001. gentlemen, thank you very much for the perspective. as we learn more about these issues, we come back to you for your perspective and guidance. let's be honest about our political climate, but let me tell you, it's utopia in the united states compared to what's going on in venezuela. is that country on the brink of all-out civil war? we'll bring you the latest next.

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we're following breaking news out of the vatican. australian cardinal george pell is facing sex abuse charges. authorities did not provide additional details yet about accusations in his home country. we do know they include here, the unknown is the ages of the victims. we're told there are multiple complaints. cardinal pell denies the allegations and says he plans to take leave from the vatican to defend himself. meanwhile, growing concerns that venezuela is on the brink of civil war, its attorney general now barred from leaving the country, her assets frozen, this after the brazen helicopter attack on the country's supreme court. the chopper was found in the

rural part of the country, the pilot is still on the run. embattled president nicolas maduro and his supporters framing the attack as a coup attempt since the political and economic turmoil began three months ago, clashes between protesters, counterprotesters and security forces have killed at least 75 people. president trump accepting an invitation from the new french president to join him for bastille day. they're going to attend a parade on the champs-elysees in paris on july 14th. that's going to mark the 100th anniversary of the u.s. entering world war i. american and french troops are expected to march side by side during the event. the white house says the visit will strengthen ties between the two nations. that will be quite a sight to behold. we haven't seen u.s. troops lined up parallel with another nation any time recently. >> absolutely. president trump promising to deliver a big surprise on health care. what could that mean?

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president trump promising a big surprise on health care as gop leaders scramble to change the senate bill with the hopes of winning more support for their plan. cnn's m.j. lee is live on capitol hill with more. m.j., any ideas what the surprise may be? >> reporter: the big question right now is can mitch mcconnell get this done, get this deal done by friday. friday is the deadline by which mitch mcconnell now wants to have a new health care bill and send it over to the cbo. you're absolutely right, clarissa, maybe the president knows something we don't know yet. he did promise yesterday a big surprise on the health care front. >> health care is working along very well. we could have a big surprise with a great health care package. so now they're happy. >> what do you mean by big surprise? >> i said you could have a great, great surprise. >> reporter: yesterday we did

see the negotiations in full force. a number of senate republicans who have expressed reservations about the senate bill or have opposed it altogether walking into office, dean heller, lisa murkowski. republicans weren't the only ones lawmakers were meeting with, also with very ma. she talked through what the bill's impact would be on medicaid and actions also that the cmf could take to help these states. i mentioned the cbo earlier. the reason mitch mcconnell wants to get to a deal by friday is also because he needs to get a new bill sent to the cbo so a new score gets back to the senate. his goal right now is to take a vote as soon as members come back after the july 4th recess. i will tell you even the most optimistic lawmakers say mitch mcconnell has a long way to go. clarissa and chris. >> all right, m.j. lee.

our panel, cnn political analyst david drucker and "washington post" political reporter ka ruin deher ginn. i want to show what the average american feels about this health care bill. frankly it's not good. 16% in favor, 17% in favor. even a fox news poll, just 27% in favor of this bill. it seems like a very unpopular bill, ckaroun, but the question is can the surgery be done to change this by tomorrow? >> reporter: that is a very tall order. you've seen quite a lot of really negative headlines come out about this bill, whether we're talking about number of people that will -- poorer people that will see their cost burden go up for health care, the number of people being kicked off medicaid, the number of people that will lose their insurance. there's a disconnect between

people saying we want to change health care in this country and what the changes are. also, it's very difficult to communicate what all the changes are to the public because it is a very arcane piece. it's complicated. the problem for the republicans right now is that the numbers aren't necessarily going to add up if they try to do a quick fix. if you try to placate the moderates who are afraid of the medicaid numbers going down, you start to lose the good numbers that you have in terms of deficit reduction which republicans are trying to tout. if you make other changes to try to fix the amount of things that can be covered, that will start to affect the premiums in the longer term. you can't appease one side that's upset without taking something away from the other side that they won't like. since you're dealing with two extremes of the party right now, odds are a tradeoff for one will be a negative for the other. you have this math problem of both making the bill's numbers work but making the vote's numbers work. to do that within 24 hours when you're talking about the guts of the bill, that's a very, very difficult thing to do.

you're talking about basically getting the gop conference to a place where this is something they can live with. the question will be, will that be the ideal goal. when they go home and listen to constituents, can they just get something they can live with on something they don't think can necessarily make things better. >> karoun, the only shot they had at better with any type of reasonable basis of proof behind it would be that they have the tax savings, right? that was their only argument for better. they couldn't make the argument for better in a rational way when it comes to people on medicaid. so why isn't it, pivoting over to you, david drucker, that there is a way to fix this in terms of what's fueling all these negative public perceptions by doing what the president suggested? put more money back in. yes, you're going to have the same tax savings, but you will have some, and you may not have

the same premium drops, but you weren't having great premium drops anyway once you look at the actual numbers, but you could greatly reduce the harm and maybe that gets you to what he would call a surprise. >> look, i think regardless of what they're able to come up with over the next 48 hours, there's no deal until you have a cbo score and people have reviewed it and they've been able to make addiction from there. >> you see them knocking that down. we saw it with senator johnson yesterday, and we heard it from other republicans in an ek koef next afterwards, that the cbo was using the wrong baseline to score this. >> i know, chris, but it doesn't matter because politically they're going to -- they have to score this, and politically they're not going to actually come to any conclusion until there's a cbo score, they've looked at it and see how it plays, no matter what they're saying about cbo and the fact that it's not a proper gauge for what this bill can do. you raise a good point in that

there are different ways to fix this, and we saw republicans openly discussing on wednesday, eliminating a lot of the tax breaks in order to make this less -- make it look less like a tax break for the wealthy and try and add some of that money back in. but on the conservative end of the spectrum, this is both a philosophical battle and a battle over lowering premiums and deductedables. conservative, number one, want to see the obamacare architecture go away. and they believe that's the only way over the long term you're going to bring down premiums and deductibles. the projections for doing that haven't been something so great that you've been able to turn public opinion on this. they believe that would actually do the trick, and they're already not going to get what they want in that regard. >> clearly a lot of work remains to be done. we'll see what that big surprise may be. karoun, david, thank you so much for helping us break it down. a baseball umpire being called a hero.

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president trump intensifying his war on the media, claiming we spread what he calls fake news which seems to be defined as news he does not like. but let's not forget, it was the

president himself who became one of the original purveyors of fake news. here are just a few examples of this proposition. watch for yourself. >> three weeks ago when i started, i thought he was probably born in this country and now i have a much bigger doubt than i did before. >> based on what? >> his grandmother in kenya said he was born in kenya and she was there and witnessed the birth. >> you brought in congressional leaders telling them you lost the popular vote because of millions of illegal votes, three to five million illegal votes. three to five million illegal votes? >> we'll find out. it could be that much. >> we had a massive field of people. you saw them. i get up this morning, i turn on one of the networks and they show an empty field. >> because the numbers didn't match up to his perception of them. these are some of the examples. "the new york times" put out this huge list the things that president has said that don't square with the facts. let's discuss what's really

going on here. we've got brian carron and cnn political analyst john avlon. brian, you have been in the center of the storm here, went at it with huckabee sanders about this idea of bullying from the white house. they have certainly broken new ground in dealing with what they don't like being reported by saying it's all fake. let's be honest, it's been effective. >> it has been effective, it's been problematic as a reporter to try and cover something and to vet your facts and then to have people believe other than the facts that you know to be true. it's a difficult proposition. it's one that's made more difficult by the fact that the press by its very nature, we're a competitive group, and so it's not often that we work together very well. it's very easy to divide and conquer. that's what this administration has done and has done very successfully and continues to

do. it's disheartening that so many people will believe what is said without at least checking the facts out themselves. >> john, the question of the white house briefing, this has become a really hot topic. should they be able to have more control of it? should it be live? should it be audio only. we heard ari fleischer come out and saying we support no white house briefing, embargo it, but not as live tv,tion better for the white house, the public and the press. >> is the white house just trying to control the flow of information here? is that what we're seeing? >> of course it is. let's not dignify it too much by saying it eels effective. what it is an attempt to contain the shame they often bring upon themselves by being forced the lie own behalf of a president who seems to be requesting it. defending the indefensible is exhausting personally and to your reputation when you do it from a position of executive power. this does go to basic questions

about the role of the free press in holding a president accountable. the attempt to undermine systematically the credibility of the free press is something dangerous. it's dangerous to take on the credibility of an independent judiciary. >> it's also problematic -- it is effective with certain members of the public, those who already agree with him. as far as the rest of it goes, larry speaks, ronald reagan's press secretary once famously said don't tell us how to stage the news and we won't tell you how to report it. that's fine. this administration is telling us don't tell us how to stage the news and we'll tell you how to report it. you can't have it both ways. that's what they want to have. that's the battle that we face every day when we walk into that press room. are they going to go live? no. are they going to be on camera? no. they've done some things that have helped transparency, the bottom line at the end of the day, it's very ineffective when you have a president who constantly tweets out that we're the enemy of the people and we are fake media. that undermine, as you were

saying, it undermines everything that goes to a free press. that's one of the pillars of our republic. it's necessary for a republic to exist to have a well-informed electorate. you can't do that if you're not able to get to the people that you cover. and in president trump's case, he's had one, one press conference in the first six months he's been in office. one full press conference. >> there's no question we're heading into fourth of july weekend. the founders fathers absolutely understood explicitly an enlightened opinion was essential to a free governing people. let's not given a degree a normalization about the president tweeting out and calling the press the enemy of the american people. that's not within the bandwidth of normal in history. when the president is fixating on his critics and press, rather than trying to sell health care, rather than trying to deal directly with the syria

confrontation, but is totally fixated according to his twitter feed about criticizing journalists and trying to call independent outlets that have been in existence for decades fake news because they are the tum mayority to criticize him. >> this is an introduction for a lot of people to donald trump. i was thinking about this yesterday after our conversation, is that why aren't i more surprised by this? why aren't i getting this? i'm often a target of what happens here, brian, and i understand that comes with the job. but this is what mr. trump has always done, when he was posing as his own pr person, when he used to plan pieces here in the new york tabloids and he would then attack the tabloids for being fake at the same time he was planting stories, him looking at the media and saying you guys forward b.s. narratives when this was the guy who birthed birther rim and took it on, and that he consistently

plays games with reality by saying i'll get to you in two weeks or you've got a big surprise coming. >> or comey -- there better not be any tapes. >> that's right. this is what he's always done. what's interesting now is now he's no longer mr. trump. he he's president of the united states. he has people who invest credibility in that position, yet the position is not invested within him any new disposition. that's what's so difficult here, is that we're not dealing with mr. trump anymore where people can laugh off what he says. you're dealing with the president of the united states. and people listen, even if the basis for his assessment is just not. >> the presidency also requires the person think larger than liss self-interest. it's supposed to elevate the