this is "gps, the global public square." i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from the festival in colorado's majestic rocky mountains. senator mark warner joins me, he's the man in the spotlight, co-leading that key panel's investigation into collusion between the trump campaign and the russian government. how deep will the investigation going into the white house?

how deeply will it be pressured. >> it's going to be only america first. >> how will history judge the president's first 150 days? what conclusions can we draw? how is the world reacting to this new america. i have a great panel to discuss. also, rocky mountain high. almost five years ago, this state voted to legalize recreational marijuana. what lessons about lighting up does colorado have for the rest of america and the world. but first here's my take. the democratic party has reacted to its series of election losses by concluding it needs a better economic message.

as senator minority leader chuck schim schumer said last sunday. >> republicans need a strong and bold economic agenda. >> the only disagreement with the party is how sharp and left winged that message should be. but it is increasingly clear that the problem for democrats has little to do with economics and much more to do with a cluster of issues they would rather not revisit, about culture, social morayineamorays. more people prefer the views of those of the republican on health care care, government benefits and even climate change and energy policy. the democracy fund commissioned a comprehensive study of voters and one scholar set out it's first key finding.

the primary conflict structuring the two parties involves questions of national identity, race and morality. focusing in on the people who voted for obama in 2012 and then trump in 2016. they were close on economic issues, but far to the right on their attitudes towards immigrants, blacks and muslims and much more inclined to feel that people like me are on the decline. an important study to analyze the most powerful predictors on whether republicans would vote for president trump. the first was views about cultural displacement and support exporting undocumented

immigrants. it's worth considering how much the democratic party has changed over the last 25 years on cultural issues. bill clinton's party was careful to come across as moderate on many social issues like immigration and gay rights. they boldly moved out of anne a admirable sense of principles. they did so to support a growing segment of democratic voters. but in a broader cultural sense, the democratic party moved left because it became a party led by college educated professionals. the party's defense of minorities and celebration of diversity are are genuine and praise worthy but they have created a big dirngs betweenitis -- this is a cultural gulf and it can't be

advocated on retraining and early childhood education, the democrats need to talk about america's national identity in a way that stresses the common elements that bind, not the particular ones that divide. for example the party should take a position on immigration that is leabsolutist. the more i study the subject, the more i'm convinced that people cast their vote mostly based on an emotional bond with the candidate, a sense that they get each other. democrats have to recognize this, they should always stay true to their ideals, of course, but they have to appeal to a broader section of americans, that they understand and respect their lives, their values, their work. it's a much harder balancing act

than one that raised the minimum wage. but this cultural gulf is the source of american politics today. and let's get started. senator mark warner has emerged as one of the most powerful democrats on capitol hill. part of that power comes from his key role in investigating russian interference in the united states election. that committee is looking into the trump campaign and possibilities of their collusion with russia. let's look into the russian matter. there are a lot of people,

republicans who say, look, this has been investigated, you've had the press looking at it, you have had various committees looking at it and really there's nothing, clearly the russian -- this line of argument is clearly the russians did try to interfere, but there's absolutely no evidence that the trump campaign colluded. what do you say to that? >> first of all let's take a step back and go through what we know as facts. one is that russia intervened in our election where they stole emailin in emails, to try to hurt hillary clinton. they had a mass use of fake news where internet trolls created blocks that flooded the zone with fake news that was harmful to hillary clinton. we have never seen that ice of the internet and it raises a

whole question about facebook and google and twitter, about what will be their responsibilities going forward. in the french elections, they took down 30,000 sites. they were totally unprepared for this kind of activities in the the american elections. and russia has attacked 21 states electoral systems. we know all of those facts, the intelligence community agrees and frankly all the senatorings agree, the one individual in washington that does not accept those facts is donald trump and the question is why? and also his failure to accept those facts means that we do not have a whole of government approach in how we prepare ourselves for future russian attacks. >> but maybe he's been defense, maybe he's -- >> his job is to make sure that we protect our country. let's now go to the investigation. let's go to the investigation. i thought we would be further

along in this investigation by july 4. but i also never anticipated the fact that the president would fire the fbi director, that he would have his national security advisor have to resign because of contact s with the russians, the attorney general have to recuse himself because of his close contacts with the russians and we have been in the information gathering phase, we have been subpoenas a lot of information, we just received more than 200,000 pages from the financial committee. we are at the stage of starting to talking to some of the individuals that are afa faiffi where the trump campaign that might have had contact with the russians. i would not expect us to have those answers because we have not talked to any of those trump affiliates and donald trump associates. ask me that same question in a couple of months and i think we'll have much more clarity.

>> do you think you have seen either intelligence leads or financial data that tell you that this investigation is serious and real and needs to be pursued? >> it is obviously serious in terms of the russian intervention in our election and unfortunately the president's failure to take that issue seriously doesn't have a whole lof government approach. in terms of collusion, i have never seen so much smoke and so many possible threats. at the end of the day, if there is no fire, i will be the first to say that there's nothing there. but it is way too early to make that conclusion right now, and while we have only limited contact with the special counsel bob mueller, if you look at the level and quality of lawyers that he is hiring, senior lawyers with huge expertise, i'm not sure that they would be leaving their jobs to go into

that investigation if mr. mueller didn't believe that there was something to actively pursu pursue. >> will you have information to share with the public concerning the potential witnesses? >> the first task was to review the intelligence community's report, unanimous report that the russians intervened, i think we're well down that path. and again, we have acceptance from senators on both sides of the aisle, we have -- every expert comes in and reconfirms that fact. we have seen that in the french elections and the dutch elections and we're going to see russian intervention in other electi electi elections. so it raises a whole host of questions about how we think of cyber warfare in the 21st century. in terms of the question about

collusion, i believe it will take us, the chairman of the committee which at first said he thought we might be done by the end of the year, i think that would be an aspirational goal. i want to get this done because the american public deserves to know the truth. and we would be helped in this matter if we didn't have the president constantly saying the whole thing is a witch hunt and it's fake news if we had an administration that was actually collaborating with us. >> do you think that the obama administration choked and should have done more when it knew that the russians were interfering? >> with the value of hindsight, yes, but i also know that most of the information, there were so many threads coming in from both signals in intelligence, from human intelligence in actions of the fbi, but no one put all the pieces together until after the election.

>> and there was this fear that you think was justified that it would seem partisan? >> again, i feel, since the american government knew even in the summer, and as former director comey has reported, he started criminal investigations in july, again, with the value of hindsight, an early indication that russians were trying to intervene in ways that were unprecedented, particularly using the box to create fake news that would then appear on your twitter or facebook news feed as the top story and often times stories that were not true an earlier warning to the american people would have perhaps put them more on guard, but again that's with the value of monday morning quarterbacking. >> stay with us, next on "gps" i will ask senator warner about what the democrats need to do to start winning elections again and about his efforts to start bringing back jobs to middle

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back now in aspen, colorado with senator mark warner, the vice chair of the senate select committee on intelligence. so people are talking about a warner warren fight over the future of the party, how to win the elections, how to become the majority party, and the argument is that you represent the pro business, pro growth some would say wing of the party and senator warren represents the bernie sanders wing of the party. >> first of all bernie and i work on a lot of issues together. i do feel, and i say this as

somebody who spent longer in business, i was an entrepreneur, ceo of a major enterprise, i do feel that many americans are actually giving up on our system, and i would argue as somebody who's been blessed to do well, that modern american capitalism, with it's focus on short-term earnings over long-term value is not working for enough people. as your column pointed out, the country is actually very supportive about issues like increasing the minimum wage and more investment in workforce training, i think we need to think about framing these issues correctly. how can we think about the values that create long-term value, invest in human capital, investigate in r & d rather than chase quarterly profits. i think we need to recognize as well. my dad worked for the same company for 38 years, that's not

the way that the workforce is going to be. the whole nature of work is changing, we have a social contract that was created in the 20th sen thicentury, that basic worked around the idea that if you work for a company long enough, the government is going to give you health care, retirement. >> do you think you'll get back middle america, this is all very wonky, how do you get people's hearts and guts to change? >> i think we need to have a new contract, there is a role we need to play not only for short-term value for sha shareholders. we have to think about artificial intelligence and machine learning that will be totally transforming.

we need to be ahead of these issues so that we be sure that low and moderate income americans have some is sense that the system is actually going to work for them and they need to participate. and many people are feeling left out and that turns to the extremes whether on the left or on the right. >> do you think donald trump will be able to bring the jobs back to the people he promised? >> i think mr. trump has made a series of broad based promises, i don't think he's going to be able to keep them. look, on health care, he promised nobody was going to loses their health care, nobody would pay more, the bill that came forward show ed that his promises were not worth anything. the idea that he's going to be able to flip a switch and bring back jobs in textiles and the coal industry or certain manufacturing, i just don't believe that's going to come to ma pass, but it is going to take a new social contract.

we need a new framework so that we can actually reach some of that bipartisan consensus. making businesses think over the long-term rather than just for short-term -- i do think they are future versus past, and as a democrat, i think the democratic party has always been at its best when we have been leaning into the future. donald trump has this idealized version of america in maybe the '50s and '6 0s that may have been working for middle class americans. i don't think he's going to be a i believe to create that old 50s and 60s environment. next on "gps" the rocky mountain state has been getting high legally for almost five years now, and a good portion of

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now from what in the world segment. back in 2012, i said in my take that the united states should legalize marijuana. i argued that the nation's war on drugs was a total failure and it led to mass incarceration, it is now five years later and marijuana is legal to some extent in 29 states and the district of columbia. but it's also become a big business with revenues in the u.s. topping 5$5.8 billion in 2016, and it isn't alone, with several other nations legalizing pot without restrictions. most people in the united states are in favor of legalization,

and according to gallup, even the number of republicans in favor of legalization has more than doubled since the early 2000s, it's now at 42%, at a campaign rally back in 2013, trump had this to say on the topic. >> the marijuana is such a big thing. i think medical should happen, don't we agree? i think so. then i really believe you should leave it up to the states, it should be a state situation. >> yet in the american legal system there exists a fund contradiction about the legalization of pot. on a fundamental level the sale and trafficking of marijuana still could be a schedule 1 felony, with maximum penalty that is could reach lifetime imprisonment for certain offenses. now that more states have legalized marijuana, the number of federal trafficking charges has plummeted since 2013.

the nation's chief law enforcement officer, attorney general jeff sessions has let it be known that he thinks marijuana is only slightly less awful than heroin. at the winter meeting at the national association of attorneys general, he said this. >> my best view is that we don't need to be legalizing marijuana. >> many conservatives also say marijuana is a dangerous gateway drug to opiods. now this is where they get the argument dead wrong. the step rise in deaths due to opiod overdose is certainly a cause for great alarm, but the dea, the drug enforcement administration said last year in a report clearly, little evidence supports the hypothesis that initiation of marijuana use leads to an abuse disorder with other illicit substances. in a study of the journal of the medical association found that from 1999 to 2010, states that

passed medical marijuana laws actually sought 25% fewer open it related deaths than expected had they not passed those laws, so when it comes to the opiod epidem epidemic, the science, the data is all telling us that the criminalization of pot is not the way to go. as politico notes that same budget that the department of justice is funding wi ining wile to $103 million. the democrats seem to be intent on locking up pot smokers and throwing away the keys. but in the minds of the american

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welcome back to gps, coming to you today from the campus of the aspen institute in colorado. we are now five months into the trump presidency. there has been a lot of noise surrounding him from his supporters, himself, his opponents, but what is the signal within this noise? what are the trends that will stand out and stand out in history. joining me now are some smart strategists, big thinkers and brilliant historians, walter isaacson is the president of the historic institute. nancy gibbs is the editor of "time" magazine and has

co-authored a great book on former presidents. jeffrey goldberg is the editor-in-chief of the atlantic, and dan seenor is the author, investment and former policy advisor to mitt romney, paul ryan and marco rubio. when we look at this presidency, at some level, we have never seen anything like it. the freak shows, the tweets. does any of that matter, walter? you have looked at a lot of colorful characters. is that just going to get chalked up to he was a weird, strange personality or is this something consequence shall? >> i think it's consequential, it's demeaning the office of the president and it's also making it harder for him to get thing zone. we don't see a strategic coherence in the foreign policy and even things like the immigration restrictions, that have come to pass, seem to be a

weirdly tweeted policy, as opposed to a well thought out policy? >> what do you think of the tweets? >> i these they're highly interesting tweets. i'm not in this camp of people who say they're just tweets. these are presidential statements, because everything is president writes are presidential statements and they're an interesting window into the president eat thought process and what we're seeing through the window is some pretty disconcerting stuff. and i think we have to take them serious. what his spokes people say doesn't matter compared to what he says himself. so we have to pay attention. >> i don't think there's ever been a president this obsessed with what's covering him. it is a spoof that we have now learned that in five trump golf courses there are made up -- there's a made up cover of "time" magazine that was created

to inflate his sense of himself. >> he's clearly said he cares a lot about being on the cover of time, because he has said that he's been on the cover more than any other person in the country. i'm not sure he wants to they can that title away from richard nixon who holds it. but what's fascinating is that even in the midst of this war and awful of the insults he's leveled at media organizations there's an accessibility to the media, through the tweets, not just reporters, but everyone gets to see straight into the psyc psyche, but the willingness to engage, which we saw during the campaign, where he's extraordinarily accessible. and then we talk about these white house briefings and whether they're on camera or not. in one sense these are -- and

others are more enabling on each side and co-dependent on each side. >> as you look at this as a republican strategist, what are the questions you're getting, you watch the health care, you watch out the senator is reacting. what are the trent lines here? >> the tweets are most reprehensible and probably just noise. because if you strip the rhetoric and the noise away, you have conventional republicans like paul ryan and mitch mcconnell try to get a health care reform passed and they're going to work on a conservative health care plan. he may get another seat on the court to literally reshape the according to. so you look at all these things and despite all the chaos and noise, you have a pretty conservative republican agenda moving through congress. but one thing that's making the president less effective in

terms of getting an agenda passed if he can do it is that republicans are less concerned about being on the wrong side of him now, i think mcconnell can still pull a rabbit out of the hat and get something passed in the senate like ryan did in the house. be it's complicated and the reason it's complicated is that republican house and senate remembers now suddenly say, if i'm on the wrong side of trump, it's really going to be okay, it's not going to be a high price to pay. >> do you think the president, in those first few months, you have this power that people are looking up to you, that awe, that admiration, part of it is part of your own party. >> he could have been a historically transformational president, had he come in and said i'm an independent. i think everybody in washington, all the built have let us down and i'm going to come in and i'm

going to have a very clear tax cut plan, i'm going to have a -- and i'm going to govern -- and i would have started with infrastructure, the concept of starting with health care made no sense to me, but starting with health care and doing it on a purely partisan basis makes even less sense. if he came in and said i'm going to do infrastructure, we're going to make america great and i'm going to call in chuck schumer and i'm going to transcend all of this ridiculousness we have had in washington. he would have been historically transformational of being an independent president and easily would have captured the agenda. >> but what we ended up, is a pretty constitutional republican, you toss away a lot of the stuff or no? >> pretty conventional on the the domestic front. on foreign policy, innovative. i don't mean innovative to bringing in better ideas, i mean that he has no ideas about how

america should behave and other than that we're in a series of one-on-one relationships with other countries and we make our decisions based on american values, he makes these decisions purely mercantily. like dan said--i'm going to listen to a donald trump detail about china's failure to reign in north korea, than i am going to listen to rex tillerson. it doesn't matter compared to what the president is saying. >> we're going to have to take a break, when we come back, what does the world think of donald trump? well, the data is in, it's really grim, we'll talk about it and what it means. minutes old. ♪ a baby's skin is never more delicate. ♪

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world today. it is at a place it's never been before. the pugh research center released results this week from a survey of 37 nations and it gets right to the point. at the end of the obama president so i, 64% of global respondents had confidence in the u.s. president. today that number is 22%. the only countries that had more confidence in trump than in obama were russia and israel. we are back for a special edition of "gps" in aspen. dan, the last time we saw such low numbers was when your president and you worked for george bush, and george bush was -- but it was really more about the iraq war. and it was about the sense that the war had gone horribly and alienated the world. what's striking about this is he's barely done anything. and he has numbers that it took

bush six years of a badly prosecuted iraq war to go through. >> i think the world is embarrassed for us, watching what this man has done so far to the presidency, but i think it's important to draw a distinction between them and their governments. if you spend time with officials in sunni golfs they say they'll take trump as president any day, and that's also laisrael's view. >> and do you think china has a great working relationship with them. >> he says all the right things, but behind closed doors we're not sure what the follow-up is going to be but they do like the change. >> what sense did it make for jared kushner to go to the middle east and suddenly in 12

hours produce peace between the israeliings and the palestinians? >> first of all, there's no reason for any president to even try to pursue this right now, peace the possible, but it's not available right now, so there's no point in wasting your time. that said, there's nothing more absurd than sending your young people to the middle east than to send an emissary. >> al this point, at this time for 12 hours -- >> the israeli palestinian conflict is about the fifth most important conflict in the middle east right now. i would prefer the administration to be focused on the things that are affecting the world now. iraq, yemen. it's little bit of a vanity project, obviously. >> the way in which he's ratcheted up everywhere. because the generals tell him

give us more troops in afghanistan, give us more bombing in syria. let's do more to support and what is the strategy? >> really doesn't want us involved with more troops in more places. so as we slide into afghanistan more and more that seems odd to me, that he hasn't stopped that. the strategy could be, i'm not sure, seems he's decided to have a sunni coalition, trying to isolate qatar, which have drabadr drawbacks. if there was strategic strategy, could be way to approach it if you think iran is a problem. i'm not sure this is a clearly thought-out strategy, have a sunni alines with the united states with saudi arabia and the u ech

uae and the league or something that was stumbled upon. >> nancy, high approval ratings, not a popularity contest, international relations, but do you think he cares about this unpopular -- somebody so obsessed with his image? >> one way in which he cares, the focus between him and p president obama is intense. you almost never hear him talking about other presidents but obama comes up all the tile. to the extent obama was seen as a much more globalist figure, welcomed with enormous crowds, won the nobel peace prize after being in office an hour and a half, that's the comparison that this president finds haunting. >> before we go, i want to ask dan, come back to this issue of the rifts within the republican party. where do you think the republican party is on this issue of engagement with the world, leading the world, bombing the hell out of the world.

you know, and just ignoring it? >> they, you know, republicans historically have followed the lead on these things of their commander in chief. if their commander in chief is quasi-isolation ift so quasi-isolationist, sort of the way president bush ran. onboard, 2011, all-in on the bush doctrine. members of congress today, republicans, you saw obama tried to do something in syria. most republicans didn't want to do anything. that's their inclination now if that's where trump is, but if trump is deferring and delegating to mcmaster, clearly did in afghanistan and -- >> pretty aggressive. >> very aggressive. republican sas, two generals, served in afghanistan, both of them, know something. if trump is lg to get behind them we'll get behind them. they'll follow trump's lead. congressional republicans will not lead on foreign policy. they're going to follow trump. >> fascinating conversation bep

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president trump said from the deck. >> this ship will make an extraordinary addition to the fleet. like no other. like no other. anywhere in the world, there's nothing like this. >> when it comes to aircraft carriers america's might is not exactly challenged. no nation in the world has more than one aircraft carrier active except, of course, the u.s. when the "gerald ford" is commissioned later this month, it will have 11. of the old adage, he ho controls the sea controls everything holds true, american military dominance will likely be safe for decades to come. the answer to my "gps" challenge is, b. "don quixote" widely considered to be the best-selling novel of all-time. "don quixote" enjoyed a good headstart on every other novel, many consider it be the first american novel.

published in and the commune lae sales at 500 million copies, affirming that the knight achieved the everlasting glory he so desperately sought. thanks for turning in. i will see you next week. hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. president trump faces another critic of week of his presidency with a republican health care bill that will potentially change the lives of millions of americans and a critical staredown with russian president vladimir putin at the g-20 this week. so far, the president is spending the holiday weekend escalating his ugly war on the media. at an event honoring veterans last night in washington, d.c., he veered off course from honoring those who gave america its independence to taunting and slapping the media again.