john berman joins me. great to have you. >> great to be here. >> we begin with president trump, targeting cnn in his escalating war on the media. the president posting a weird wrestling video that has been widely criticized as juvenile, and leaving many of his members of his own party in disbelief. this as the president prepares for the g-20 summit in germany at his first face to face encounter with russian president vladimir pewten. >> sources tell cnn the conflicts in syria and ukraine will be on the agenda with vladimir putin but no plans for the president to bring up the interference in the u.s. election. we have this all covered beginning with suzanne malveaux live at the white house. a lot going on this morning. >> good morning, john, that's right. president trump is going to be at bed minister for much of the day, returning to the white house late this evening or so. he'll be hosting military families for the july fourth festivities tomorrow. the president is spending much of the holiday weekend, however, using the bully pulpit not to

push forward on the gop health care plan, but rather ramp up the attack on the media. >> the fake media is trying to silence us. but we will not let them. >> reporter: president trump escalating his ongoing war against the press. tweeting out this doctored video of himself pummeling a man with an edited cnn logo over his face. the video drawing sharp widespread condemnation. >> incitement to violence. >> it is very disturbing. there is nothing light hearted about it whatsoever. >> we need to protect freedom of the press. there is a responsibility on the part of everyone including the president of the united states. >> reporter: homeland security adviser thomas bossert, first shown the video on abc, insisting the president is not inciting violence. >> i think that no one would perceive that as a threat. i hope they don't. i do think he's beaten up in a way on cable platforms that he

has a right to respond to. >> reporter: the president tweeting a barrage of anti-media attacks over the holiday weekend. and defending his use of social media as modern day presidential. trump even unleashing a verbal tirade at an event meant to honor america's veterans ahead of the fourth of july. >> the fake media tried to stop us from going to the white house. but i'm president and they're not. >> reporter: this with the white house already on defense for the president's crude attacks on two msnbc hosts last week. >> the president in no way form or fashion has ever promoted or encouraged violence, if anything, quite the contrary. >> reporter: cnn responding directly to the president's latest attack, it is a sad day when the president of the united states encourages violence against reporters. clearly sarah huckabee sanders lied when she said the president had never done so. instead of preparing for his overseas trip, his first meeting

with vladimir putin, dealing with north korea, and working on his health care bill, he's involved in juvenile behavior, far below the dignity of his office. we will keep doing our jobs. he this start doing his. health and human services secretary tom price insisting that the president's tweeting doesn't detract from the health care battle. >> the fact of the matter is he can do more than one thing at a time. >> reporter: but some republicans saying the behavior could have serious consequences. >> people are begging the president not to do this, he ought to stop doing it. >> there is an important distinction to draw between bad stories or crappy coverage and the right that citizens have to argue about that and complain about that. and trying to weaponize distrust. >> this is going to be a critically important and busy week for the president as north korea continues to provoke and the president putting in calls to the leaders of south korea, japan and china. on wednesday, he'll travel to

europe for the g-20 summit and also have a face to face meeting with russian president vladimir putin. john, alisyn? >> suzanne, thank you very much for all of that background. let's discuss it with our panel, david drugger, cnn political analyst and correspondent for the washington examiner, jeff mason for reuters and the president of the white house correspondents association, and carun demergon. let's talk about what the president is doing here with retweeting things like this and continuing, even es ska lating his battle with the media. i read you said he believes that fighting with the press furthers his political agenda. how is that going? is that working? >> well, his legislative agenda and his political agenda should be the same, but i think they're two different things. i think from the president's point of view, these are the kinds of attacks that worked for him to establish himself as a republican leader. we often talk, alisyn, about how attacking the media, trying to

undermine the media furthers his connection to his very loyal base and keeps them immune from criticism of the president because if you can't trust the coverage, then there is never any reason to doubt. >> but i want to ask you about the math there. let's give them 35%. that's what the approval rating, the base is now. so can he move forward and get things done with just 35% of the country, 65% of the country doesn't like this? >> well, no, he can't. but what i was getting to was the fact that there is a broader republican universe out there that although they are not always pleased with the president's behavior, and method of attack, believes that he's right about us, believes he's right about the press and i think that in a way, this helps him maintain a connection and his support among the broader republican electorate who although they wish he might go about these attacks in a different way, tend to agree with him that the media is out to get him and then they too

then doubt a lot of the critical coverage that i think actually as i've been part of this coverage from time to time has actually been pretty fair and pretty on point, even though many republican voters don't think so. so i think that satisfies the president's political agenda in terms of his 2020 re-election and his legislative agenda is another matter, i think he could be using his support among republicans in the bully pulpit to further that if he did things differently. but the president obviously has a different view. >> we'll get to that in a second. using the bully pulpit almost exclusively to talk about the media, not to talk about health care, russia, syria th. this is what he's chosen to talk about. jeff, you're on the front lines of this discussion, there are people who look at what the president is doing here, saying what he's doing is trying to create a situation where there is no truth, correct? if you create a situation where there is no truth, there are no facts in play, then you can

operate almost with impunity. >> well, that's an interesting theory. i don't know if that's his intention with his tweets against the media. i think that there is an actual deep seeded dislike with president trump and with many of his advisers at the white house for the media and that this is just his way of getting back at it and, yes, it is distracting, no doubt, from his legislative agenda. i think it was interesting to see last week some republican lawmakers from his own party criticizing him for doing that with regard to the attacks on msnbc. but whether or not that's a broad strategy, more theoretically or whether it is just really who president trump is, i think it is a different question. >> i'm just not ready to give up yet on the spirit that everyone in congress espoused after the steve scalise shooting. and everybody told us on our air, and seemed really genuine

and really heart felt, we have to tone it down, it has gotten -- the rhetoric has gotten too hot, too hateful, too offensive. you're in the halls of congress all the time. how is this tweet helpful? >> it is not. to the credit of the members of congress coming out and condemning it, that shows you the disconnect between members of congress after that tragic event and the president who spoke about wanting to improve the discourse but didn't sustain that very well for more than a few -- maybe a day, if even a day at that point. you know, i just wanted to go back to the point you made before, though, about there being no truth here and facts not mattering. that's certainly been a feature we have discussed about the trump operations since his campaign days with the question about alternative facts, but it is also a feature of, you know, more strong men world leaders than the american -- than the american political system is normally used to because we have so many checks and balances

here. that full control of the message, full control over what people think truth is and isn't is a classic feature of -- of people in control of countries like russia and places like that. it is part of just, you know, solidifying your brand, solidifying your support and your base and hoping that that extends beyond that as you become more influential and this point too, it is -- it is controlling the conversation, we're not talking about the health care bill, we're not even talking about what you just raised, that the discourse in washington, d.c. in a way that extends outside the president's twitter account. he's the center of the conversation. >> ben sass said one thing the president seems to be doing here is weaponize distrust. what is happening here is something at a deeper level. the president says this is part of the new media strategy, sort of the modern reality here. let me read you, he says, my use of social media is not presidential, it is modern day

presidential. make america great again. jeff mason, you know, one of the things that people learned about, if the media doesn't like what the president is doing here, stop covering him the same way. you're the president of the white house correspondents association, if the white house won't hold on camera briefings, stop going, if the president is going to do this, stop covering it. what is the right way to handle it? >> well, i guess from the perspective of the white house correspondents association, we're going to continue to push for what journalists need. and journalists need the ability to do their jobs and that includes being able to ask questions of the press secretary, of his deputy, and of other senior officials and of the president himself. so that is important whether you're a television journalist, or print journalist or radio journalist. those are just values that are critical to us to be able to do our jobs and that are protected by the first amendment. in terms of how specifically individual news organizations and individual reporters choose to cover the news, you know, that's not the job of the white house correspondents association

to tell. but we absolutely support the right of them to do those jobs and will continue advocating with the white house for that ability. >> karun, to you, i know you have all sorts of new reporting on where we are with the health care plan that is coming out of the senate, what is the latest? >> the latest is that it is in a period of being rediscussed. they did not have the votes to be able to do things on the schedule that mitch mcconnell put out, which was hoping for the end of last week before they went into the break. now they're talking about trying to make changes to make the medicaid cuts less severe, to try to keep the cuts -- to make sure that fewer people fall off of their health insurance to try to address funding for opioid abuse and addiction. all of these things are under discussion. we don't know what the final package will look like. you have the president's surrogates saying he's working the phones to try to build support, but support to a bill that is not finalized.

you have more republicans speaking freely about, you know what, if this isn't going to work, maybe in the next week after we get back, maybe we try doing a repeal first and then replacing it, you have the moderate republicans now saying, you know what, maybe we should go back to the other bills out there that doesn't look like what the senate bill looks like now. you have a whole bunch of stuff flying around in the air. they have to nail it down by the time we get back to d.c. next week and the week's time, or there is just going to be more chaos and more chaos leads to more splintering and more splintering leads to not having 50 votes to pass that bill. >> more chaos along the lines, going back to the point whether or not the president is using his bully pulpit in a way to advance the legislative agenda here, are they helping push forward health care, which is supposed to be one of the signature items? >> correct. this is where republicans have been critical. republicans on capitol hill, they were telling me that, look, the president has a unique connection to his loyal base and

he can get attention in ways that other presidents couldn't. and if he used the bully pulpit to further the health care agenda, he might be able to create votes for this health care bill and either through pressure or through creating political space, for some of these republicans to take a risk on this bill. and this is one area and it is why i've always felt they would get to a bill one way or the other, we'll see if that happens, this is one area where if trump cannot make this happen, this does become a problem for republicans in 2018 because this would be a major failed promise, number one, that republicans and the president promised on and they control all levels of government. bit the other thing we're dealing with now is problems with the health care system and regardless of who republicans or democrats want to blame, it is a problem and republicans are in control and voters are going to expect them to fix it. so this is something that the president will be blamed for, if it doesn't get done and it would behoove him and his party to get

this thing done. and if he can use his powers of attention, if you will, to further the health care bill, rather than attacking the media, his party and his agenda would be in a much better place, especially with tax reform upcoming. >> panel, thank you very much for all of those insights. we have not heard much from gop leaders since the president's controversial tweet this weekend. but we will ask republican congressman scott taylor for his thoughts when he joins us next. whoooo. looking for a hotel that fits... ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over 200 sites to find you the hotel you want at the lowest price. grazie, gino! find a price that fits. tripadvisor.

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xfinity gives you more to stream to more screens. i think no one would perceive that as a threat. he's a genuine president, expressing himself genuinely. >> it is not going to do any good for me or anyone else to come in and just comment on things we might not like about his twitter behavior. >> well, a type of response from the administration following president trump's latest tweet, which included a video clip showing him wrestling and punching someone with the cnn logo super imposed on their head. the white house is talking about voter fraud, not from russia, meddling, but americans. let us join -- be joined by scott taylor of virginia. good morning, congressman.

>> good morning, alisyn, how are you? >> i'm doing well. let's talk about this tweet, the president retweeted this wrestle mania stuff of him punching somebody with a cnn logo on their. it appears the origin of the video was from the reddit account of somebody with just sickening anti-semitic and racist rants on their account. what is your response to this? >> well, i don't know anything about what you just said in terms of whose account it was or anything like that. i have no idea. i have been critical of the president's tweets before. i think that -- but if i could give objective advice to you, i think you're getting played, man. i think every time he does this, you guys overreact, i say you guys, the media in general, you overreact and play into his hands. ironically cnn reported on him learning politics from the world wrestling federation of 2015. and now you're, like, my gosh,

he's inciting violence. i don't think any american, most americans, excuse me, certainly some, most americans out there believe he's inciting violence from wwf clip. >> right, so -- >> here you are, hold on a second, i watched your segments and you keep talking about this. there is tons of news out there. let's talk about real issues. >> yeah. we have been told these are official presidential statements. is the twitter account of potus an official statement or not? >> i know there are two accounts there. one that is -- >> it is from the official president of the united states account, is this a presidential statement? >> listen, as i said to you, i would prefer the president not make some of these tweets. i've been critical on cnn as well too. i just think that this plays right -- you guys are playing right into his hands. you overreact. and he's able to -- he's able to use that politically. and i just think you guys, you got to start reporting on news. this is not really news. >> i hear you.

i get it. i share your feelings sometimes. what is confusing is when the president of the united states focuses on this. i'll show you how many tweets he's put out that are media attacks, 94 versus 29 on the military and what is happening with our veterans. where is his focus? >> well, i think that's interesting. if you look at the media coverage and i didn't come here to defend the president. but you ask -- >> i'm asking your opinion? >> i'm going to tell you. you look at your focus, and the media's focus, it is all attacking the president. it has been that way for a couple of years. you mentioned the 35 -- >> we're responding today to his attacks on cnn. we're responding to his attacks on punching cnn, congressman. >> i understand what you're saying. what i will tell you is i can tell you definitely without a doubt there is a lot of focus on the va, there is a lot of focus on veterans. there is a lot of focus on

foreign policy. you should cover that too. you should cover that too. you're falling into a trip by -- i'm actually just giving you objective advice, you're falling into a trip by covering tweets all the time. there is a lot of news out there. there is a lot of focus on health care. a lot of focus on veterans. a lot of focus on the south china sea. there is a lot of news out there to cover. >> why isn't the president talking about that? >> he is talking about it. i see it -- i see him talking about it. we're working with the white house on different issue tiniti out there that aren't being covered necessarily. i'm giving you advice. >> i accept your career advice. but i'm curious, are you saying that we should begin now ignoring all the president's tweets, because really the vast majority of them are frivolous, as we have shown you, with the numbers, you think we should just start ignoring the president's tweets? >> okay, what i would like for you to do the next segment you have, put the numbers up of your coverage of the president as well too. >> congressman, that is a --

forgive me -- crazy suggestion. when we -- >> why is it a crazy suggestion? >> we are covering -- let me answer. >> the last three ones are all about these tweets. you're not covering the news. cover the news. >> and how do we know -- and how -- congressman -- how do we know when the presidential tweet is newsworthy? >> you got -- like i just said, your whole segment is all about this. there is a lot of news out there. cover that. cover the news. >> how do we know when the president's tweet is newsworthy? >> as i just said, you've covered his tweet. you covered it over and over and over and over again. >> i haven't gotten your response to it. the reason that -- >> i just told you. i've been critical of the president. >> do you think this one was a mistake? >> of course. i don't think it makes sense to do that. but that's his decision to do that politically and he will take either the successes or the consequences of making that politically. but i don't think that should

make you do nothing but cover his tweet all day long. you got a lot of other things to cover. >> i agree. we would love to be able to move on. we wish the president would talk about substance. we wish that the press -- >> i thought we would come on here and talk about the south china sea, about voter fraud, but here we are, talking about the tweets, the whole segment, you're playing right into the political hands. >> basically i wanted to get your opinion on whether or not you thought this was a mistake for the president and whether or not you think republican leadership should speak out against it. answer that and we can move on to voter fraud? >> i've already said -- >> do you think paul ryan -- >> i'm not critical of -- i'm critical of it. i don't think it makes sense. >> has the leadership been vocal enough about that? >> that's up to them to get on your show and talk about that. i'm not going to, you know -- >> you're not going to give them advice, got it. let's talk about voter fraud. you know that -- something like 27 states that do not want to comply with the white house request for all of this personal

information from voters including virginia. what is your response to the secretaries of state saying, no we don't feel like turning over private information of people's social security numbers and addresses and the way they voted in the past? >> well, i think there is two things here. number one, i believe in states rights, of course. so if there is something -- states -- because we control elections of the state level, and if there is legal information, private information they don't want to disclose, be it via state laws, no problem. what i saw , and it was in cnn's reporting on what the request was, and the request was public information, that is available to anyone, if they pay for the voter roles, like if i'm a candidate, i can pay for the voter roles and get it here in virginia too. i don't see a problem with that. it is public information, as long as the commission pays for it. but, yes, if there is something that runs afoul of state laws, i support the states in not sending that in. i didn't see -- as i saw the -- what was on the statement, it said public information.

>> well, yes and no. it is private information. but some of it is public. and the -- >> no, if it is available -- what the statement said, via cnn's story i read, was public information that doesn't run afoul of state laws. i don't have an issue with that. if it did, private information like you said, that ran against state laws, i would not support it, of course. >> got it. here is why it is confusing. let me read what mississippi secretary of state says about this request. quote, they can go jump in the gulf of mexico and mississippi is a great state to launch from. mississippi residents should celebrate independence day and our state's right to protect the privacy of our citizens by conducting our own electoral processes. i think the question is brings up is why is the white house focused on trying to get the voting histories of americans? what is that about? what could they be compiling this for? >> let me again agree with

mississippi and saying they do have a duty to protect the privacy of their citizens and the integrity of their own elections that states run. again, via your reporting, not yours personally, but cnn's, it says from the request was public information, that doesn't run against state law. >> but to what end? why does the -- just so i'm clear, how does that help cut down on voter fraud? why does the white house need that? >> you see that the folks that are on the commission are actually from the state level that i saw. and i don't see a problem with trying to figure out if there was problems. there are a lot of people out there who do believe there is voter fraud. so -- >> but there is not widespread voter fraud. >> you say that, but that's -- >> i'm just reporting the data. >> you say that, but what is the problem in looking to it? just like what is the problem of looking to russian meddling and election, i don't see that, i think it is important to do so. >> sure. i'm just giving you facts and the data. >> as long as the states are able to --

>> you say that but studies show there is not. i'm not saying there is widespread voter fraud or not. if the white house has the prerogative, if the white house has the prerogative to look into it, and they look for public information, that's not private, that doesn't run afoul of state law, i don't see a problem with it. >> i heard you. but just for your opinion, since you're in congress, do you think there is widespread voter fraud? >> i don't believe so. but i don't know. and i don't have a big problem with them looking into it. >> congressman scott taylor, thanks so much. >> no problem. >> happy fourth of july. >> thanks for having me. >> you too. >> john. >> nice of him to give us advice. >> i'm getting a lot of career advice. kellyanne conway last week and the congressman. >> congressman taylor is a pleasure to talk with andgaging on a regular basis. will republicans reach out to democrats for a compromise? we'll get the view from one key democratic senator. that's next.

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week, work is going on behind the scenes to get a compromise. our next guest says the democrats will work with republicans when they stop talking solely about repealing and start thinking about fixing the affordable care act. that man, ben cardin of maryland, joins us now. senator, thank you so much for being with us. all the talk over the last few days is with this new notion we heard from ben sass, we heard it from the president, on twitter, saying that maybe what should happen here is that the republicans should vote to repeal first and then replace a year or so down the line. what do you make of that? >> that would be terribly irresponsible, at least such uncertainty in the insurance marketplace that it will cause chaos and cause a lot of people to lose affordable coverage. look, we want to improve the affordable care act, not repeal it, improve it. deal with the cost issues of the cost of premiums or the cost of health care. i hope democrats and republicans can work together in a way that we can provide more coverage to

people and better quality coverage at a more affordable cost. >> do you hope they can work together? one criticism we're getting from republicans now is, look, democrats won't even talk to us, they won't help us craft something. >> just not true. democrats have talked with republicans, we have been doing this for many months, trying to get together to see areas that we can improve the law. they weren't interested. this bill came out of nowhere, didn't come out of committee hearings, didn't come out of any committee markup process. it was the creation of the majority leader, mitch mcconnell, and he sought no input from democrats at all. there has been no effort to bring democrats into the process and the reason quite frankly is the bus is moving in the wrong direction. they're trying to reduce coverage. we want more people to have affordable quality coverage. >> ted cruz, senator from texas, has a proposal now that the states would be allowed to offer plans that don't cover the obamacare protections, maybe getting rid of pre-existing

condition protects, as long as there was at least one plan in every state that did offer those obamacare protections. is that a safe option? >> no, it is not. what you're going to do is get very, very high risk pools which makes those premiums not affordable for the american public. that's why we need to do this together. and that's the -- that's the concept of the affordable care act, it is law, that allows all of us to join together so that someone who has a serious illness, women who will need obstetrics coverage, mental health and addiction, those services are available at affordable rates. we start dividing it up, you'll have winners and loser and a lot of people will not have affordable coverage and won't be able to get access to care. >> a lot of the talk over the last 48 hours, even before that, has been the statements that the president of the united states has been making on twitter, whether it be about other media members, whether it be about cnn posting the wrestling video over

the weekend. do you see this as fun, a joke or incitement of violence or somewhere in the middle? >> this is the president of the united states. i find it very much demeaning to the office and weakens the presidency and america. so, no, i find it very serious what the president is doing. but the impact that it is having is distracting from the fact that the president has not been able to get a health care bill done, the president has not been able to get any major bill, immigration, no bill has been submitted or tried to get done, what he's done in the environment. we haven't had any work with the administration to get an agenda through congress, so he enjoys the distraction. it is very, i think, damaging to america these tweets. >> you say enjoys the distraction, congressman scott taylor was on moments ago, he said you guys are getting played, man. he basically said that every time we talk about what the president is focused on twitter, his attacks on the media, that it is actually harmful to us and

to what we should be covering. your take on that? >> well, i think you have to cover this. this is the president of the united states. that's the role of the free press, to hold us accountable. so when the president does something that is wrong, and i think that video play was absolutely wrong, you got to cover it. but you are being the president is using this to distract from the debate we should be having on how the health care proposal would cost 22 million people their health coverage, how it would weaken quality coverage with mental health and addiction services. how it would raise the premiums on many people to where they can't afford to have health insurance. we should be talking about that during this week, fourth of july break, the president has a way of using the media and a terribly irresponsible way and a way you have to cover in a way that he doesn't have to deal with these issues. >> we are talking. we did, you and i, homemoments

talked about health care. i want to talk about the summit where the president will be traveling. he leaves on wednesday and will meet with vladimir putin, a pull aside meeting, but will not talk about the russian meddling in the u.s. election. is that a mistake? >> i get very concerned about the president's conversation with mr. putin because i know what he has expressed, that he admires and respects mr. putin's leadership. it concerns me because we should be playing for much tougher hand. russia attacked us. we should have imposed new sanctions. we have legislation in congress, i'm very proud to be part of, that passed the united states senate, now in the house, i think we would have had a stronger hand if that bill could have been on the president's desk before the g-20 meeting. so we need to be very tough with russia. this isn't just business as usual. they attacked us. they're still in ukraine. what they're doing in syria is contributing to atrocities. so the president needs to be tough and i'm afraid that he's

going to, like, pretend that business as usual, and that's not in america's interest. >> we'll see when he meets with the russian leader later this week. senator ben cardin, thank you for being with us. happy independence day. >> thank you. new jersey governor chris christie soaking up the sun with family and friends on a beach closed to the public because of his government shutdown. now he's really feeling the heat. we have the latest next. it's not just a car, (work sfx) it's your daily retreat. the es and es hybrid. lease the 2017 es 350 for $329 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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all right, new jersey governor chris christie under fire for spending sunday with his family at a state beach, a state beach he shut down because of a budget standoff and arguably lying about his time there. the government shutdown is now entering the third day in new jersey. paul sandoval joins us now. >> how do we go from this state shutdown to talking about governor chris christie on the beach. state legislators and governor christie have not been able to reach a budget compromise, the governor insists on the passage of a health insurance bill with the state budget. that hasn't happened. the result, a partial state government shutdown and the closure of dozens of state parks and public beaches over the fourth of july holiday. that means families can't make their way on to the garden state's public beaches. except one. photos emerging showing governor christie on island beach state park, this is the barrier island

where the state owned governor's retreat is located. christie being asked about this criticism about the governor, the man being blamed by many for shutting down the beaches, being on the beach. this was his response during his last press conference yesterday. >> i didn't, claude, but go ahead, i didn't get any sun today. no. no. there is no one on island beach state park. there are no lifeguards. there is no one to pick up the garbage. there is no one providing any services at island beach state park. next. next. i'm -- excuse me. next. next. i'm done. we're talking about the closure of government. and you're talking about your tmz stuff. >> the government spokesperson also addressing this, at least the governor's spokesperson addressing this saying that as the governor just mentioned no lifeguards, no trash services. and brian murray's own words, nothing special. i can tell you, i was at one of the state parks yesterday, people are upset, many people are --

>> next. >> they have to change their plans because they're not able to have fun in the sun unless you're the state's governor. >> the family is big. ten people seem to be enjoying the sun there. i want to bring in matt arco, for the star ledger and nj.com. thank you for being with us. the key words we heard from governor christie there, i did not get any sun. but the photos seem to indicate otherwise. explain to me those remarkable images that we're looking at right now. how did they come to pass? >> well, look, real quick on the i did not get any sun. what happened was on sunday, christie was taking a lot of heat for being at the beach. and claude, my colleague, was working on another story about we had heard that lifeguards were actually called down to monitor the family in the water. so when he opened up the question, he preas iff epreface it looks like you got sun, the governor knew what was coming,

that was his snark back to my colleague, what we didn't know at that point is about an hour earlier, another person from oour newspaper had flown over the governor's mansion on island beach state park and he had the door open of the small plane he rented and snapping pictures of the governor with his family. >> one of the funniest thing about the photos, they're so damming, because he's, just, like, caught receipt hand d han. but he's leaning back in his chair, looking so happy at the jersey shore, the jersey shore is awesome. >> you're digressing. >> i am. what is the reaction in new jersey to this? >> this is a bad optics for the governor. what we have going on in trenton is we have the governor and the top democratic lawmakers and assembly vincent preeto at a stalemate. for the last two or three days, one has been blaming the other for the reason of the shutdown. chris christie shut down the government, that's because the democrats and the democratic

controlled legislature hasn't sent him a budget, he has to shut the state government down. nobody in new jersey knows who vincent preeto is, everybody knows who chris christie is, he's not popular right now. now the photos come out. i suspect people will be more angry, but what christie has working for him is vincent preeto and everybody else in the state assembly and state senate will be on the ballot later november. chris christie is not -- he's done, he's made that clear. and, yea this doesn't -- it iso today, but i suspect he'll dig his heels in further and won't budge. >> he has no blanks left to give as it were on the beach with an approval rating at 15%, not up for re-election. the face of someone getting caught in a lie, he's not getting any sun. let me read you the statement from the spokesman, yes, the governor was on the beach briefly today talking to his wife and family before heading to the office. he did not get any sun. he had a baseball hat on. that is the official explanation

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why? joining us now are two secretaries of state who say they will not comply with this request. allison rimes of kentucky. secretary brimes, why don't you want to release this information to the white house request? >> well, elections are something, allison, that are left specifically to the states, especially when we're talking about voter registration. more importantly, the question put not only to secretaries across the nation but to americans is if the president asked for not only your name and address but your date of birth, your party affiliation, your entire voting history and your last four digits of your social security number, would you want to give it not only to the president but to the federal government? the answer that i received from kentuckiens is, no. they don't want a national

database the same way they don't want a national gun database. the timing with which this request has come to secretaries across the nation is suspect. >> why? what do you think -- >> started his re-election campaign. >> what do you think -- >> if you look, last week, alison, at what happened, within the span of the president starting his re-election campaign at the trump hotel the defunding of the election assistance commission through a house appropriations bill and in the same breath a request to every secretary for every registered voter throughout the united states. individuals in kentucky and millions across this nation simply don't want to put their information in the government's hand that has trouble, especially since january, keeping things confidential and, importantly, creating what would be a dream for any foreign actor seeking to me did. dle in our elections. >> it's been pointed out by others in the administration, this is all public information.

it's out there. so what's the problem handing it over to the white house? >> alison, that's not exactly true. we can go state by state and cover what state laws require for when and how voter information can be shared. there's a lot of restrictions on it. voter information is not public information. it is available to the public for certain types of uses. and every state has those laws governing how that data is used. more fundamentally, let's understand where this request is coming frchlt it's coming from a commission which has yet to meet, by the way. we know nothing about how they intend to operate in a way that's transparent and accountable to the public but it's a commission that was based, that was formed on the president's fixation of massive voter fraud which study after study shows simply is not true. i admire my colleague in kentucky and the majority of secretaries who have stepped

forward and said we have problems with this request. we're not going to comply. as secretaries of state across the country, it's our duty to protect the privacy of voters, protect the integrity of our electi elections, which we're doing, well documented, and to protect the voting rights of americans because that's what the target is for this commission. >> secretary lundergren grimes, the president says you're hiding something. very distinguished voter fraud panel, what are they trying to hide? what's your response? >> well, alison, you've had a lot of man-splaining gone on here this morning and the president may like to operate 140 characters at a time aboutb gossiping and trying to create chaos. that's not how we, as secretaries of state, operate. we doesn't want to put information into the hands of the federal government where they've given us no security controls and unsecure website they actually wanted us to upload this information to.

i'm not going to be putting 3.3 million kentuckians' information where it could be up for grabs. data experts especially over the course of the past weekend as this request has come forward to secretaries has said this is something that should not be done. this on top of the congressional black caucus, who reiterated the same concerns we have about secretaries of state of moving us backward to the day where is poll taxes were required to go cast your vote and many can acknowledge yesterday was the anniversary of the passage of the civil rights act. we need to be moving forward with our elections. secretaries of state across the nation are doing that with our election administrative reforms. this is simply a government overreach, making government bigger, something donald trump told us he would not do, by creating a #fakecommission. >> secretary padilla, you are not guilty of man-splaining, of

course, but perhaps you could explain the president's often reputed claim that 3 million illegal people voted in california. you know, he's claimed it so much that i've encountered some of his supporters and voters who believe it. and when we just had congressman scott taylor on, you know, he's confused about whether or not there's vast voter fraud. let me play for you what he said about this. do you think that there's widespread voter fraud? >> i don't believe so, but i don't know. and i don't have a big problem with them looking into it. >> so, secretary, what do you say to people like that, who just don't know? maybe there is vast voter fraud. maybe millions of people voted illegally in this past election. how do you refute that? >> it's something we have to do on a daily basis, unfortunately. alison, maybe you and i can send that congressman the stacks and

stacks of studies and reports and investigations that there already has been over the last several years on voter fraud. they all show the same thing. it is exceedingly rare, it is always very isolated. it is statistically nearly nonexistent, that shows that the current laws and protections are work iing. you know, the president's fixation on massive voter fraud, i believe, is due to the fact that he lost the national popular vote and his ego just can't accept that. he has to drum up an excuse. unfortunately, this excuse has some danger with it. now you have a commission, and you put not just vice president pence but our colleague from kansas in charge of the commission, somebody with a long and well-documented track record of championing voter suppression laws, discrimination, anti-immigrant policies, et cetera. and that's supposed to guide us forward when it comes to civil rights and voting rights?

i don't think so. and our participation with this commission would only legitimize the effort. in good conscious, i can't participate. i err on the side of protecting voting rights of voters across the country. we're not going to play their game. >> so, secretary -- >> allison, if i may -- >> very quickly. go ahead. >> i have to agree with secretary padilla. there's not enough bourbon in kentucky nor wine in california. i'm proud that kentucky and california are leading the way. >> those are some good bourbons you have there, secretary, and great wines as well. thanks to both of you for being here and explaining all of this and getting the facts zblout have a great independence day. >> you too. we're following a lot of new this is morning. let's get right to it. he has beaten up on cable

platforms. >> need to protect freedom of the press. there is a responsibility on everyone, including the president of the united states. >> the fake media is trying to silence us. but we will not let them. >> let's hope he grows into this job. >> preparing for the g-20 summit and face-to-face meeting with vladimir putin. >> everyone wants to know whether president trump will bring up russian meddling in the election. >> the president unwilling to talk about the russian role in the election last year but very willing to look into what they see as voter fraud around the country. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day" monday, july 3rd. 8:00 in the east. chris is off this morning. john berman is here to celebrate the preholiday with me. >> all day today and tomorrow. >> fantastic. great to have you. president trump ramping up his personal vendetta against the media. backlash for