announcing their opposition. >> the republican senators are great people, but they have a lot of different states. some states need this, some states need that. but we're but we're getting it together and it's going to happen, right, mike, i think. >> democratic leader chuck schumer celebrating the defeat "this second failure of trumpair is proof positive that the core of this bill is unworkable." with moderates like senator john mccain calling for bipartisan ship, stressing that republicans should receive input from members of both parties as they work to produce future legislation. >> if mcconnell's last ditch to repeal obamacare without replacing it lawmakers have a decision to make whether or not

to shore up obamacare or let it wither. republicans have said time and time again they believe that obamacare is collapsing. now the real test whether or not they will help and work with democrats to fix it. alisyn, chris? >> we have david gregory, chris cillizza and cnn political commentator errol louis. how did they lose moran, who was supposed to be the safer part, those who wanted the health care bill on the basis of the cuts. reminded me of a story you'll love because you're a master of new york politics. i went to my diary, two italians, my father and ralph moreno, head of the new york state legislature at one time, having a dinner like the one last night trying to finish a deal. i remember my father putting his hands over his ears "ralph i don't want to hear it, don't say

it." it was the reminder of the power of the false promise in politics. what happened here, errol to our understanding is the cuts that were so important to people like leigh and johnson and portman, these fiscal hawks, the word got out that well, they may not go into effect, which was a deal to make the people who were worried about medicaid expansion okay about the cuts. they may never go in effect and this may be a tale of the false promise that the word got out that these cuts that are so important to so many republicans never happened. >> you're being harsh about the art of politics. it's a real promise. it's just a delayed promise, and that is the ambiguity and the push and in all mcconnell was trying to craft to keep some of the fiscal hawks on board and at the same time let people know we're not going to toss tens of millions of people off of their insurance so the cuts were supposed to sort of, you know,

live in this kind of suspended animation, until they could get the deal done and get the bill passed and then they would figure out how it would actually play out in the months and years ahead. frankly, this is not that different in some ways from what the president is talking about. do a straight repeal. light a fuse, a straight appeal that would take effect in a year that gives you breathing wroom, the political win and the pressure to get the thing done in the future. these are the things that go into the sausage making that most of us haven't up 'til now paid a lot of attention to. in your dad's era this was all back room talk but the reality is this is how it gets done and as long as they can't bring anybody together, as long as the promises that ambiguity and suspended animation gets out and makes people walk away from the deal they'll never get to a yes. >> david let's talk about the time line.

this did not happen in a back room deal. we know how this unraveled. this week earlier there was word two senators that were going to vote no but they could still do it if john mccain recovered quickly and vice president pence. last night president trump invited seven senators over to dinner. these were as we understand it yes votes but maybe they were influencers and maybe they were going to spread the word of how great this senate deal was but then leigh and rand tweeted that they were going to be no votes, but we think word first got to the president and the white house and it cast appall on that dinner. >> yes, i think that one of the problems is, when you have these delays, you lose even more momentum. i think if mitch mcconnell was going to snatch this out of the hands of skeptics and those who were opposed, he had to do it

quickly and he never quite got to the place where he could secure the votes. one of the big factors overall is a president not very popular. 36% approval and he doesn't know the intricacies of what he's trying to negotiate. he outsourced all of this to capitol hill. he doesn't have the juice. lot of questions among republicans whether the white house will stand behind them when they face a very tough vote and ultimately have to face the voters. i think the bigger issue that goes to chris' point about well are there false promises here? conservatives like mike leigh never wanted to get into this business in playing a role in the health care system. once do you that, now you have constituents, americans out there who are relying on federal subsidies, relying upon a kind of federal guarantee of some of these markets to pull that hand away is going to disappoint a lot of people particularly when

you're talking about well we'll make some fixes down the line. the immediate issue is now going to be how do you shore up some of the real deficiencies in some of these exchanges and in the rate structure, given that you've had republicans and the president talking about how it's in a death spiral and it's going to collapse. now, they do face the need of shoring it up if they're not going to repeal it. >> john mccain as alisyn has saying played a role by proxy when his surgery came up, there was somewhat of a call to hold this in abeyance. "one of major problems with obamacare it was written on a strict party line basis and given through congress without a single republican vote. as this law continues to crumble in arizona and states across the country, we must not repeat the original mistakes that led to obamacare's failure. the congress must now return to regular order, hold hearings,

receive input from members of both parties, and heed the recommendations of our nation's governors so that we can produce a bill that finally provides americans with access to quality and affordable health care." chris cillizza, is this the way forward, which is the return to the way the process is supposed to work? >> no. the reason for that, chris, is because i think what you'll see is this repeal then replace effort fail first of all. this is what they've tried or wanted many republicans wanted to do at the start, realized they don't have the votes. that's why they wanted repeal and replace together. i think you'll see that push falter. i struggle to see how they have the votes for that. then instead of what mccain is calling for, a broad reconsideration of the bill, let's start from scratch, i think they will dee what david

is talking about. there are things that need to be changed in order for the system to continue working and to better the way in which the system works in a lot of states. i think and you've seen mitch mcconnell say if we don't get a bill done this is what we have to do. you'll see tweaks to the current bill. i do not think you will see a whole scale reexamination on a bipartisan basis with the input governors. i think if you are mitch mcconnell and paul ryan you want to be done with this as soon as humanly possible. you want to move on to anything else, tax reform, whatever else it is, maybe on to funding the alleged border wall but what you do not want to do is spend another year. the process mccain is proposing would take a long time, another year debating this with the possibly that you wind up exactly where you are. the dirty little secret here, guys, there isn't some great bill sitting out there. lots of people didn't like obamacare. this bill didn't wind up getting

a vote. there's a reason for that. there's no easy simple solution politically speaking. >> errol, chris said moving on from health care, the national polls take the pulse of the people and what they shi i think is most important, health care is at the top, 35% of americans believe that is the most important issue facing the country, followed then a standard second by the economy, terrorism, immigration, climate change. one more thing to show you how they think the president has done dealing with health care, 64% disapprove of his job on health care. >> that's right. i think some of that frankly is the result of all of the attention we've given it. >> obviously if there had been a terror attack the numbers would be different. >> not just that. there was a poll in mid-june that suggested that among republican voters only 8% thought that health care should be the number one priority. the uncertainty itself though is the real problem.

we've got another sort of ticking time bomb is that in november it's open enrollment time. that's not that long from now. it happens to be something that a lot of people care about. the insurers the companies are wondering what they're going to do, what the prospects of going forward are going to be, and again, for families, for people making the decisions for their kids, for their parents, for their spouses, for themselves and their businesses it's agonizing to wonder what am i going to have to do? what's going to happen to my premiums? what's guaranteed, what's not guaranteed? what's my insurer going to do to me come the fuel and that is the negative blow-back that's going to force congress to do something really, really quickly or just as chris suggests, walk away from the whole thing. >> here is the other issue. you have two schools of thought on this, right? you have conservatives who are worried about the conseverive project in government. if they just walk away from the idea of health care and accept there's a huge new entitlement that is now baked in to our

entitlement system that runs afoul of conservative thinking about government. but that's what's going on maybe in wash warm and in think tanks. people every day out there who are saying in that poll how important health care is, they have lived through the brutal efficiencies of the insurance market, about their family members not being covered for sickness, about having to pay more in premiums. what they want and what they've come to rely on as inefficient as it is, is the federal government putting its big foot in the middle of that marketplace to try to make things better, so even where oba obamacare is not working very well, creating uncertainty or insurance companies are not making out the way they expected to and are raising premiums people are not looking for the government to high tail is out of the market, they want support. that's why ultimately congress has to stay in the business. >> now they created a problem where political skill is very

paramount and important. this reminds me so much of what happened in 2008-2009. i covered that depression very deeply. once the banks didn't know what the remedy was going to be, rates went all over the place and people paid the price. >>'s that's it. >> now you may see that in a way we've never seen it before. we'll talk about it more when we get more information. that's the risk of the uncertainty is that everything starts to unravel the exact way that republicans have been talking about it was going to happen except they never said it would be by their hand. gentlemen, thank you very much. we'll get back to you in a second. other business news this morning the unusual story of donald trump jr. tangled in russian intrigue has taken another twist. mixed motives for that controversial meeting courtesy of mixed messaging from the white house. the president tweeting his son did what any politician would do to get dirt on an opponent, but sean spicer's statement later in

the day contradicted that, saying there was another motive. cnn's joe johns live at the white house with more. joe, can you untangle it? >> reporter: i'll try to, police, another bewildering moment in the white house briefing room and goes to show how the white house is struggling to come up with a coherent explanation for donald trump jr.'s meeting with that russian lawyer. the initial explanation was that the meeting was all about adoption of russian children and something called the magnitsky act of 2012 which deals with sanctions on russia. it was only later that the real motivation of the meeting came out that it was to find dirt on hillary clinton. so yesterday in the briefing room, sean spicer appearing to revert back to the initial explanation. listen. >> there was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe that there was

anything except for a discussion about adoption and the magnitsky act. >> reporter: there is fallout from that meeting and it does involve another member of the president's staff as well as a member of his family, that would be his son-in-law, jared kushner. democrats on capitol hill are calling for his security clearance, his provisional security clearance to be taken away. cnn's sarah murray reporting last night his final security clearance may never be granted. of course it's up to the president to decide that but subject to blow-back when he does. >> joe thank you for all of that news. we will be talking about whether or not jared kushner's security clearance is now at risk. our panel discusses all of that when we come back.

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there was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe that there was anything except for a discussion about adoption in the magnitsky act. >> there was nothing except everything. >> except the subject line of the email. >> it's everything that was discussed in the setup for this meeting from goldstone the

publicist for this russian pop star, everything about it was set up to not be about what the secretary just said, everything. >> let's discuss why the press secretary took that tact, when dealing with the press as though we don't all have videotape and memories. david gregory, chris cillizza and errol louis. have they been keeping sean spicer in a soundproof room where he did not know there's an ongoing conversation where don jr. admitted in his emails that he was lured by the protect of dirt on hillary clinton from the russians. >> i love it, did not go to adoption policy and sanctions as i remember from my reading of the emails. >> i listened it to yesterday and immediately felt like a sean spicer press briefing from eight days ago, that was when that quote would have had some relevance before the don jr. emails which by the way don jr.

released before the president of the united states tweeted out that anyone would have taken this meeting to get dirt on or opposition research on a political opponent. there's really no explanation other than well there's two, one, the president says and does what he wants. the white house communications staff says something totally different, that's one. two, i do think that sean spicer is refusing to give an inch when the truth is obvious. i don't know whether it's a concerted effort to kill the daily press briefings, kill them by lack of information, kill them by misstatement or he thinks that somehow someone believes it, but the evidence -- most people, sorry, i'm left without words. >> verbal gymnastics that you're going through are entertaining. >> what's hard, alisyn, most people confronted with something proven demonstrably false don't

say that thing. i don't say i can dunk an 11-foot hoop because david gregory and i will roll out the 11-foot hoop we have in d.c. and i can be clear i can jump 8'1". i don't understand why you would say something like this when it takes one internet search to prove you 100% absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt wrong. if there's a trat gee behind it i can confidently say it's a bad strategy. >> the suggestion would be, errol the strategy is the truth it what we say it is, that's what they're banking on. if they say it was about this, the narrative will turn that way. >> the president isn't using that, they're not using the same falsehood. >> they probably thought two irons in the fire, one, everybody would take a meeting like this, which is not totally true, not these circumstances, eight days a week you'd take a

meeting to get dirt on your opponent, these red flags waving in your face you wouldn't. the other iron in the fire would be and by the way, this was innocent. it was only about the sanctions anyway, that lawyer was a dupe and goldstone is one of the most prolific liars we have ever seen in public life before. >> meanwhile i want to get this in before you respond, "wall street journal" rupert murdoch owned property has a pretty scathing editorial this morning about how the trumps have mishandled much of it. mr. trump somehow seems to believe his outside personality and social media following make him larger than the presidency. he's wrong. 'enhis family seem oblivious to the brutal realities of washington politics. those reality also destroy mr. trump his family and their business reputation unless they change their strategy towards the russia probe. they don't have much more time to do it." >> remind me of the warnings

issued to the trump campaign in 2016, all throughout it and he became president anyway. it's a hard-hitting editorial. i think all of your viewers should take a look at, advocating radical transparency, taking us back to the watergate era and the release of the tapes. put it all out there, let everybody figure it out and importantly i think the editorial says every piece of what you are trying to hide is going to come to light. everything is going to be found out f it's not found out by the special counsel, the congress will get to it. if congress doesn't get to it, the press will get to it. you've got to put it all out instead of having this death by 1,000 cuts. it's perfectly sound advice i strongly suspect the president wouldn't want. >> david gregory, they did fit in a little caveat in this editorial that also kind of balances out the price of disclosure. this radical transparency as errol called it is the opposite of the clinton stonewall strategy which should be

instructive. that strategy saved bill clinton in the '90s at a fearsome price because the media and democrats rallied behind him. "mr. trump can't count on the same from republicans and most of the media rant want him run out of office." that is the caveat to complete transparency here, which is that assumes that the president and anyone around him wouldn't pay a huge price for the difference between what was said before the disclosure and after the transparency. >> well, because look, this white house has a huge credibility problem because on so many matters the president and his top aides don't tell the truth. that comes with a heavy cost. they are disingenuously attacking the media so that people won't believe what is truthfully reported. it's not to say that the media doesn't make mistakes or doesn't show bias in some cases, but there is certainly a body of

evidence here that the media is reporting on, unearthing through investigative reporting that the president just wants to put his hand to and say you can't believe it's right in front of your eyes. that's the core of the credibility problem and that is a disingenuous game that the president is playing. let me just say that it is not normal that the white house keeps putting out these briefings that are not televised, trying to shut down the major source of how americans get news and information via television or video on their devices. it's wrong, and it's because they lack credibility and they're playing this game. but in this particular case he's not going to have the backup of republicans either, who see the same problems that "the wall street journal" is identifying here, which is a fundamental lack of credibility that will overshadow everything that he's trying to do. >> panel, thank you very much for all of your thoughts on this. we'll be covering it throughout the program. another important story that is shrouded in mystery, you heard about what happened in

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the family of a woman killed after she called 911 are desperate to know the moments leading up to the shooting. they said justin damond called 911 to report an assault in the alleyway behind her home. two officers responded. one of those officers shot her. did they have body cameras on? yes. were they turned on? no. we're told by police, and of course, that is fueling a lot of confusion and speculation. coming up on "new day" we're going to hear from a long time friend of damond's and the mayor of minneapolis. the trump administration acknowledges iran is complying with terms of the nuclear deal but they say iran's nonnuclear activities show it is "unquestionably in default of the spirit of that agreement."

the president and rex tillerson are fierce critics of that deal. the administration is said to be considering more sanctions targeting iran's ballistic missile program and state sponsorship of terrorism. all right, so the lakers lonzo ball, his nba career is off to a hell of a start. coy wire has more in this morning's bleacher report. you got to give it to the kid. his father, the hype, put a lot of attention on him. he stepped up. >> he sure is. he's owning the moment, isn't he? the lakers record has been abysmal the last four years. could they make the playoffs because of this 19-year-old kid, lonzo ball, the number two overall pick has had a lot of hype to live up to, his brazen father lavar ball told the world his son would take the lakers to the playoffs. summer league mvp and led the lakers to become summer league were chas, even though he didn't play in the final, he had a calf

injury. lakers beat the trailblazers in vegas 110-98 p 16 championships, wondering now is the hype real? check this out, the astros laid a teammate's glove to rest at a mock funeral, three-time gold glove winner carlos beltran hasn't needed a glove in more than two months only used as a designated hitter. the players said "may that glove rest in peace." piece as in bye-bye to the baseball, a two-run home run once the game got started. astros still hold the best record in the american league. when you're in first place you can have some fun. >> he said "piece out." thanks so much, coy. >> very hip of you. >> i know, i'm jiggy. thank you very much, coy. senate republicans this morning are plotting their next move in health care reform. they have have a plan, sort of.

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all right, so what happens now if the senate bill is done in terms of changing obamacare? well if there's no replacement, what does it mean to your coverage? let's discuss. we have two journalists who know a lot about health care, chief washington correspondent of "kaiser health news" julie rovenor and m.j. lee. julie, the big question, right, if there isn't going to be anything different, but there is all this uncertainty, is it true that the uncertainty all by itself could cause problems? >> the uncertainty all by itself is already causing problems, what we've seen is as insurers come forward to file their rates

for next year for 2018 they've already said they don't know if they're going to get this money that they're owed that helps low income people pay for their out-of-pocket spending. they don't know whether the trump administration's going to enforce the individual mandate that requires most people to have insurance. those two things together cause between a 20% and 30% rate increase alone. that's just the uncertainty part. >> so m.j., what is the next move here, because we've heard two i think kind of die metrically opposed things. one is let's repeal it. we don't need to have a plan. let's repeal it and kocobble together a plan. let's get democrats in the room, it will take a long time and be laborious but let's shelf it until we go back to the drawing board. which one is taking root? >> well, what mitch mcconnell is proposing is essentially a bill from 2015 that of course was vetoed by president obama that

would have repealed large portions of obamacare but that would have gone into effect two years later. this is essentially the repeal and delay tactic that senate republicans had ruled out earlier this year. they viewed there was no appetite for this even within their own conference and this is why they ended up pursuing the repeal and replace at the same time strategy and that of course has now collapsed. it's important to keep in mind as we talk about the process so we're clear on what it is we're talking about, what the senate will still do is vote on a motion to proceed on the house pass bill so the motion to proceed vote still needs to happen, senate republicans need to agree to take up this bill and at this point, that's not even clear that's going to happen. we have been talking all week about rand paul and susan collins that they were two no votes that they didn't want to bring up this bill for a vote and now, just keep in mind that this has now been further complicated by the fact that folks like john mccain, jerry

moran have come out and openly said this needs to be an open process, so for some of these senators who said essentially we need hearings, we need to have committees look into this, we need regular order. >> we want some democrats on the books. >> potentially and julie was talking about how unstable things are already. republicans know this. they are not unaware there's a lot of trouble with obama cair, certain things that need immediate attention and republicans are now openly saying this is something we need to work on potentially with democrats. >> it's interesting, julie, this is obviously so much for the republicans about getting the tax savings, that is the genius behind the president's offer of repeal now, give yourself a date certain to come up with a replacement plan that will create political pressure, but you'll get those tax savings right now from repeal, that's what repeal would mean, right, is that you would be able to repeal a lot of the tax structures that go into the subsidies and the backup for the

mandate, and that money could be used elsewhere. >> that's absolutely right. what the 2015 bill did was it repealed all of the taxes as you said, it repealed all of the subsidies. it repealed the medicaid expansion, repealed the benefits, financial benefits from the affordable care act along with the taxes that paid for them, and they had trouble getting that bill through in 2015 even though everybody knew it was basically just a dress rehearsayal. the idea they could bring that bill back left allot of people scratching their head. there is one bill congress must do in the next couple of months to reauthorize the children's health insurance program that expires september 30th. there is bipartisan support for that program so a lot of people are thinking that maybe when congress does that, which they must do, that they might add in some of these fixes for the affordable care act but they'll need democrats for that because they're not going to get the conservatives. >> if they really care and they really want cooperation and they really want a fix, just as a first step, prescription drug costs. you know you have democrats who

want to work on that, you know you have republicans. so many people need it across this country, why don't they act on that. >> thank you for sharing your reporting on this. for intperspective is democratic governor terry mcauliffe of virginia, chairman of the national governors association. good morning. >> it's great to be back with you. >> you look happy. you woke up today feeling how? >> very happy, in fact, i knew for the last couple days after all the governors met this weekend in rhode island that this was a non-starter. this wasn't going to go forward. this would be devastating to the families in our states, devastating to the budgets that we have to administer, so this is a great opportunity, now they need to come together in a bipartisan way, exactly what senator mccain said and i have been arguing for a long time, let's all get in the room, get the governors in. we run the medicaid programs in our states. let's get together in a bipartisan way. this is a major policy initiative, keep the politics

out of it, and let's provide health care for all of our citizens so that we can have a healthy workforce. today is a great day. the politics is done. they cannot get this through. let's go back and do what she should have done day one, fix things, generic drugs, things done to bundle services, cost savings, a lot of things we can do to save money and make sure everybody gets quality health care. >> let's pick up on that, governor. today is a terrible day because we have more uncertainty injected into the markets and the health care providers may spike their rates and we don't know what's going to happen and the looming issue, the real concern is what you just said quickly there, costs. all the governors want more money, they say they need more help to expand medicaid for the people who need it. but you have this huge constituencies within the gop reasonably saying it costs too much already. so how do you deal with costs and need? >> we could literally save

billions of dollars in this program, the one thing is give the states, give us flexibility, this is something we argued, let us bring our best practices together but there's billions we could save in different programs as i mentioned on generic drugs we could do and the medicare program as well as a post hospital stay, to bundle those services and the medicare, but remember on the medicaid, who are we taking care of? we're dealing with the elderly, the disaged, pregnant women and children. core constituents of people who need quality health care. the problem you have today is you're exactly right, the uncertainty in the market today, they don't know what's going to happen on the health plans and cost sharing. they don't know about the subsidies for the individuals, and most importantly the reinsurance program which are those plans that take care of the sickest populations of america, we need at least three areas to know the federal government will be the partner on these to fund these and if you bring the governors in who run these programs we can bring the cost savings to you. what's happened today, this is

all about politics. the senate needs to show leadership, let us come together and fix health care, get inf infrastructure done and do tax reform. right now washington is ground to a halt. they're letting politics dictate policy. let's get back what people elected us to do, work together and get things done. the governors do this on a daily basis. the senate and the house need to do the same thing in washington. >> governor, what you're saying is congress move aside, you can't be trusted to do this. let us 50 governors come together in a room and we'll get this done, and look, that sounds wonderful, anybody, it's music to the ears of anybody who wants a bipartisan solution, and effort, but let's face it, what the governor of nevada wants is different than what the governor of virginia, yourself, would want. so is it power you're making it sound a little easier than it would be? >> no, first of all, congress obviously has to do this, but the governor of nevada, brian sandoval, my good friend, we

spent the whole week talking about health care. listen we know we can bring efficiencies to this, but to go in and gut the program and knock all these people, millions of people out of health care, it will raise the premiums. there's things obviously we need to do in 2014, when they first started doing this, they didn't have the claims data. everybody rushed in. they figured wrong on a lot of the premium data. >> should they show the savings up front? it's such a big stick, governor, that it's so expensive. that the rates of cost have gone up faster than any of the needs and any of the other indexes. >> yes. >> do you think there should be some show of potential savings to offset the narrative of cost? >> you bet. there's got to be cost savings to it. listen, everybody understands that we need, there are things in this bill we need to fix, to make it more cost effective, and efficient. we could do that. we run these programs in our states. what washington does lands on our desk.

we administrate these programs and all brought efficiencies in our respective states. i wouldn't say get all 50 governors back but let us be part of the input so we can bring what our best practices are. we run these programs but we have to save money. we have to do it in an efficient way but at the same time health care is a right. everybody's entitled to health care and we ought to be able to deliver this in a way that everybody gets covered, but to deal and throw our most vulnerable citizens out without health care and the real winners today are the grassroots activists who have been out there at the town halls and meeting after meeting, letting their legislatures and elected officials know that we will not stand by and allow to you take our health care away. they're the true winners here today. let's not spike the ball. nobody should be spiking the ball in the end zone today. this is about what do we do in the next step. to say we're going for repeal will only bring more uncertainty. uncertainty is crushing this market. because the insurance companies don't know what to do, continued

cost sharing for the plans, make the subsidies available for the individuals and continue the reinsurance program for our sickest population and do not come off the individual mandate. we need everybody in this program for it to be successful as other nations around the globe have done. >> governor mcauliffe thank you for sharing your perspective. he echoes what we heard from president trump at times, which is everybody has to be covered. >> it's true but you have this pushback of you can't force people to buy it. i know the supreme court decided this decision, but politically they'll say if you force people to have it, that's the only reason we have it that's the mandate, so important to spread cost. there's a lot of work to be done. republicans have had seven years to come up with a replacement plan. with the gop come up with a plan now that they've been dealt this defeat? we get the bottom line next.

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all right, we all know that health care matters, and we now know there's more uncertainty in the system because of what just happened with this republican bill going down. so are there going to be price spikes, and is there a way forward? let's get the bottom line with cnn senior political analyst ron brownste brownstein.

what is the bottom line on better days ahead for health care? >> look, this bill has been ground up. we've been watching it in real time, ground up in the collision between the gop's historic ideology and its modern coalition so on the one hand you have the voices on the right, mike leigh, rand paul saying it doesn't go far enough in uprooting obamacare and a larger group of moderates and main stream conservatives who say look we are taking away coverage largely from people who vote for us. look at the numbers the urban institute on who lost coverage under the senate health care bill, 80% don't have a college degree, 70% in a household where someone works full time and 60% of them are white. who does that describe? that describes the modern trump coalition. there is no way around that conundrum for the republicans. >> where does that leave them, ron? what is next? we heard m.j. and everybody describe a repeal and delay strategy, we've heard that's one option. >> right. >> we've also heard the sort of

dream scenario of let's get everybody in a big room and start over. >> look, if you're saying repeal and delay, that puts you in i think a completely untenable situation. there's a reason they didn't do that in the first place. it denies coverage to 32 million people and reattaches the idea of taking away coverage of millions of working class working americans. the coverage expansion is primarily on those who are working and tying that to tax cuts for people at the top, as chris was talking about. that is just politically toxic as can be. i think what this requires you to do if you want to move forward is acknowledge something that's been obscured in this debate. the problems with obamacare are in the exchanges w an adverse selection in the risk pool, not enough young people and too many older sick people. the bills are centered on cutting meld i caid a completely different system, centered on reducing medicaid spending by $800 billion and knocking 15 million people off of the m

medicaid program that is a nonstarter for democrats. if you said we're going to focus on the problems in the exchanges which are real there is an opportunity for a different conversation, but the medicaid cuts i think are simply kind of a deal breaker from the start. >> so is the best chance for progress not this plenary proposition where what mccain was suggesting it comings back and we go through the steps and everybody gets involved but piecemeal, maybe you take on prescription drugs. they're a big cost driver right now, then maybe you take on the different exchanges and you do bring in governors and those select markets, and kind of create a hybrid, where you help out on those exchanges. do you think there's a chance for piecemeal the way there was discussion about immigration being done instead of with an omni bus being done piecemeal. >> it's an interesting idea. look, the core thing that has to be done is to stabilize the exchanges. the problem is that the critic of obamacare don't really want to stableize the exchanges. it's plausible to imagine if the senate hits a brick wall and

wanted to go in a different direction you could find 50 plus one votes for something that would stabilize the exchanges. i don't think that would pass the house though. i don't think house conservatives are looking to stabilize exchanges. they want to repeal obamacare. it is a contradiction between the ideology of the party and interests of its modern coalition. it's hard to get around that at this moment. >> ron brownstein thank you for the bottom line on all of this. the piecemeal idea is what many suggested president obama should do. i think rahm emmanuel when he was in the white house was suggesting more of a piecemeal strategy, rather than the whole kit and kaboodle. that comes around again. >> but you this opposition then from the gop who wanted to get rid of all of that, didn't want to do any fixing because they wanted it gone. now you have the same dynamic flipped, different names, same game. so the people who should matter most is you, right, and in polls we saw that you didn't like this health care plan. you also don't like spiking premiums and deductibles you

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we're getting it together and it's going to happen. >> we're seeing mitch mcconnell throw in the towel on repeal and replace. >> people are probably popping champagne and celebrating. . i warn this is not a moment to celebrate

>> we have no damn idea where we're going from here. >> the president has gone from saying there was no collusion to so what? >> for all of the talks that we're doing at this, there's no there there. >> the players in the room have no credibility because they have lied publicly indig assistantly, emphatically and constantly. >> anyone but jared kushner, the son-in-law of the president, if it were anyone else he would be fired. >> this is senator senator with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your "new day." breaking news a major blow to the trump agenda. the republican effort to repeal and replace obamacare collapsing after two more senators announce their opposition. this happened as president trump was hosting a din we are some senators, trying to gain more support. >> the problem is, nothing drives prices more than uncertainty, and you've just had a huge dose of that injected into the health care system. so what's going to happen now? well, the senate majority