about 66 miles off shore of the peninsula, not sure whether it may plan to do next. >> barbara at the pentagon, thank you, thank you so much for watching, erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >> "out front" next, breaking news, donald trump jr., jared kushner, palm manafor the scheduled to testify. what will they reveal about the meeting with russians. plus the white house refusing to give details about the second hour-long meeting between trump and putin, grand master gary kasparov is out front. devastating numberen on the republican's plan to repeal obamacare. trump changes his tune at least twice in two days. let's go "out front." good evening, i'm erin burnett. we begin "out front" with the breaking news -- we are learning donald trump jr., palm manafort

and jared cush mer are set to testify next week. three of trump's closest advisers, his son, son-in-law and campaign chairman now subject to senator's questioning. jared kushner will appear before the senate intelligence committee on monday in what a source says will be a closed session. now, donald trump jr. and palm manafort are scheduled to testify before the senate judiciary committee two days later. it is unclear at this hour whether those testimonies, where they agree to appear. we will find out more about that in the next three minutes here. all three of these men, of course, are crucial players all the way along in the whole russia questioning now in that infamous meeting with the campaign. >> that meeting was set up with providing incriminating information on hillary clinton sourced to the top levels of the washington government. manu raju is out front. what are you learning? obviously, this will be a crucial set of testimonies. >> reporter: yes, that's right t. senate judiciary committee

setting the stage for dramatic testimony next wednesday hearing from paul manafort and donald trump jr. if they do appear in a public session. man manafort and this testimony comes after the senate leaders made sure it did not conflict with bob pulmueller's investigation. jared kushner hein doors very significant. he had been going back and forth with the senate intelligence committee for weeks and weeks, giving records, talking to that committee. now they're going to learn exactly his context and his admitted meetings that he did not include in his security clearance form t. questions, did he resolve those questions that a lot of investigators have. erin, of course this is under oath. if they are scheduled to appear, their answers will carry a lot of weight. they have to tell the truth to congress, erin. >> they will be held to account for that, if they don't. do you anticipate others at that trump tower meeting.

we know in addition to those three, there were five others in the room. do you expect them to come forward? >> reporter: that's exactly what the senate intelligence committee leaders told me today. they do plan to bring forward other people at that trump tower meeting, richard burr told me they want to talk to that russian attorney who said herself today she would be willing to talk to the senate intelligence committee. they say they're willing to talk to her as well as well as anyone else in that mooting. so expect this meeting the trump tower meeting not to end any time soon as more and more questions are raised about it. and also we will see if these people agree to testify. paul manafort, they're saying the representatives are telling me tonight, they received the invitation to testify next week. they are not commenting any further. >> that, obviously, is the crucial question. getting an invitation one would assume they would appear. what we haven't we heard yet forral confirmation they will do so on this date.

thank you. we will talk more about that in a moment. i want to get to our other top story at this moment the white house refusing to give more details about that one on one, one-hour meeting between president trump and vladimir putin, of course the president of russia, a top adversary of the united states. that meeting, of course, was revealed yesterday 11 days after it took place at the g20. there were no other u.s. government officials present. there was not even an american translator to witness the meeting. now the details of what happened at this meeting, it's not mundane, it matter, american intelligence officials, top diplomats into ed to know. it's not a matter of whether the president feels like sharing the conversation. it's a requirement. yet this is what the white house is saying today. >> no act as if this was some secret is just absolutely absurd. >> jason car role is out front of the white house. jason the trump administration says there is no story here. if there is no story, then why will they not offer the details of what was discussed? >> reporter: well, that's a good question. and when you speak to

administration official, they'll tell you, look, we didn't offer any details because we didn't think this was such a big deal. you've got the deputy press secretary saying this was a social gathering. the president is supposed to be interacting with these other world leaders, but erin when you look at the optics of what happened here, this is what is raising so many eyebrows. you got the president one on one with the russian president speaking for an hour the excuse says this interaction between the two was brief. we're hearing it was more like an hour, not a brief conversation. there seems to be no real record of what the conversation was about, where are the details here? simply because as you said, there was in u.s. translator, only a russian translator present during this you also think of what happened here at the white house in my. that's why there is a lot of concern here as well. you will remember, that is when the president inadvertently revealed classified information to russian officials, happening

here at the white house. so earlier today the press was asking the deputy press secretary, look, can you guarantee there was no classified information that was passed on during this meeting, she said, once again, look, i haven't had a conversation about the details. ki tell you the nature of that evening was a social gathering. erin. >> all right, jason, thank you very much. of course, a one-hour meeting, there is no question what the protocol would be. there would be another person present. there would be a record. it would be shared with people in the administration, security intelligence officers. "out front" now the democratic congressman, joaquin castro, congressman, thank you for your time. look you we heard the white house defense of this second undispelosied meeting with between president trump and president putin. they did not disclose it until 11 days after it happened and only then when someone who does not work for the white house found out about it and talked about it. what's your response when they say they weren't trying to keep

eight secret. >> reporter: well, first that kind of meeting is not normal. baerld in is after they had reportedly a two-hour meeting earlier in the day, so now to have a meeting for another hour where nobody else is present, not even an american translator and not disclose what they talked about what kind of deals they may have made what may have been offered in terms of foreign policy or otherwise, to not share that with the american people is unacceptable. so this can't be accepted as the new normal in terms of how a president conducts himself or herself with leaders of foreign countries. >> now, congressman, obviously, given the committees you sit on, intelligence, foreign affairs, sfarz you know, has the president debriefed 4689 r. mcmaster, the first person to likely do so or intelligence leaders about what was discussed at this meeting? did he immediately afterwards tell those people who needed to know or not? >> reporter: i'm not aware of that. it's possible that he did.

i'm not aware he has. >> so have you at the white house at this time asked for a full readout of the president's version of what he and president putin talked about? >> reporter: yes. we certainly intend to do that. we want to know exactly what was discussed from the reports it's apparent there was a russian translator oftentimes in these meetings, because i have been in many meeting itself with bagally leaders are translating but keeping notes of what was said in the meeting. so what i'd like to see is whether that translator kept notes or transcribed exactly what was said. >> now, in terms of a meeting like this i think it's important to say, it's not uncommon for a president to pull aside a foreign leader, as a matter of fact, there are plenty pull asides the american government never knows about. they will planned, they are scripted. there is something they need to talk about that earlier meeting. the president can pull him you a side. we may never know about it.

you can bet h.r. mcmaster does and he is there or someone like that. is it possible congressman this trump-putin mighting what's not just the president being spontaneous but possibly planned? >>. >> reporter: well, that's a question the president is going to have to answer. again you are right, when there is a pressing issue of foreign affairs, usually you will have your secretary of defense, national security adviser, secretary of state, somebody else who can help you on that issue so for the president to go spend an hour alone talking to vladimir putin, particularly with all the issues going on right now with respect to russia, and then not disclose that for 11 day, not have any other american there with him is quite bizarre. >> so the russian lawyer, i want to ask you about who was at the meeting in trump tower. this is obviously relevant to all these testimonies we will have next week from mr. fisher, mr. trump jr. and mr. manafort.

she says she is willing to come to washington to testify. here he is. >> she says she is willing to testify if her safety is dpaern teed. is her safety in question, congressman? >> reporter: in the united states, absolutely not. no she should feel perfectly safe, returning to the united states to testify before the house or the senate. if she is talk object about her safety in russia, that's sa question for her leader vladimir putin. >> let me ask you, i spoke last

night with the lawyer that represents the aguilar father and son and the eighth person we know was in the room. i asked the lawyer about a phone call, a phone call implied in those e-mails to have occurred between donald trump jr. and the aquilara son about whether the russian government had information on hillary clinton or not. it could if it happened be a very crucial conversation. here's a part of the interview. >> i've read the e-mails obviously now. my client has no recollection of such a call taking place. we are going back. >> you are talking about aquilara? >> no kex recollection. i we heard donald trump jr. has no recollection of a call taking place. we are going back to try to identify what phone it could be, checking phone records and the like. >> you will give those phone records of any phones he may have, any phones? >> we are looking at everything he may v. he was on tour that day, we know that. we don't know a conversation took place. >> so he doesn't know a conversation took place, he's implying that one didn't. he's pretty clear his client

doesn't recall. he went on to say he, himself the lawyer has three cell phones, so, you know as a way of saying how hard it would be to say whether a phone call happened. he is not american, so you can't subpoena his full cell phone records. is it possible we will over in know whether such a crucial phone call happened? >> reporter: that's certainly possible, but hopefully bob mueller, the fbi and both committees in the house and senate will do everything possible to get to the bottom of that question. from donald trump jr. and the others in that room, i would like so tee them sign legal affidavits after the equivalent of a request for production for example that they have no further information with respect to a prior phone call, if they're willing to testify under oath and sign a legal affidavit saying that, then that's obviously satisfies a certain legal requirement. >> all right. thank you very much. i appreciate your time, congressman castro.

next, a man tied to a probe of russian money laundering had a seat at that table with donald trump jr. at that meeting with the russian lawyer. why was he there neighborhood, breaking news, president trump squeezes after the health care fame. could the just released numbers about how many americans can be affected kill talk of repeal? there is shocking new numbers from the cbo this hour. we'll have them. donald trump behind the wheel, pretending to put out fires. everyone is like the fire is behind you in the white house. the unpredictability of a flaree may weigh on your mind.

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>> tonight new details involving the eighth man at the meeting with donald trump and the russian lawyer. >> that man was previously tied to a congressional probe of russian money laundering. this as the house intelligence committee says the people in the meeting were shady at best. >> he is money lapdering, a second person of russian american lobbyist who has a history of litigation hackers to steal e-mails and discredit a lival company and you have a lawyer with a history of repealing u.s. sanctions for human rights abuses that's who is in this meeting where the

promise is to deliver dirt. >> reporter: to be clear, he was never charged and he t and the lobbyist deny any wrongdoing. tom foreman is "out front." >> reporter: this is in the video, in the backgrounds, that's the eighth person at that meeting last year between team trump and the russians. his lawyer effectively says, so what! >> before that day, he had not met any of the other people in that room. prior to one hour before the meeting, he had no idea what the meeting was going to be about. >> reporter: but investigators are curious because his research is not about anything discussed. >> when i we heard he was the eighth guy in the meeting, it caused me to scratch my head and say what's going on here? this could be coincidence or smoke. for me i always like to

investigate smoke. >> reporter: so where is the smoke? he is in real estate working with a rich russian family which inturn has ties to vladimir putin and kavaladze was linked to an accountability report in 2000 on money laundering. it found companies remember formed that helped russians move more than a billion dollars. investigators say such actions are typically to hide the source of mon or evade taxes. whatever the reason, he says he legally set up those companies and former democratic senator carl levin called him the poster child for that practice. now members of congress are intrigued. >> i doubt if this individual who had a history of setting up thousands of fake accounts in delaware was really there to talk about russian adoptions. >> reporter: his lawyer says he was there to represent his clients the wealthy russians who set up that meeting and practices to interpret, once more --

>> what he did back 20 years ago was absolutely unequivocally legal. it was never any allegation of him engaging in criminal activity. >> he was not charged. >> he was not charged and did absolutely nothing wrong. >> reporter: indeed he called the probe so many years ago a witch hunt aimed at demonizing innocent immigrants like him, instead of addressing russian corruption and flaws in the american law. the russian businessman and the russian american have become stock villains from central casting. but with his history, there is no doubt investigators want to know more about how he came to be sitting down with donald trump jr. and the others, so that he can decide onner thatteen own what a guy like this was doing in a meeting leak that. >> tom foreman, thank you. have is the big question. "out front" now under president

bush, richard painter, urban radio networks aapril ryan and former chief of operations, steevg hall, kavaladze helped russians move nearly a billion-and-a-half dollars, companies like that use to hide money and evade tacks, here he is. when trump was the presumptive nominee for president of the united states. what does the context tell you? >> you notice the big question is, why was he in the meeting. i can tell you if you are sure, this is the way russia works. it's different than the way things work in the uvenlth you have vladimir putin, and a right underneath him you have all these olegark s.

was he there abc a translator? possibly. my guess is he's there as another trusted set of eyes i mean trusted by the russian olegark class to find out what we have going only here, are there any opportunities for us? another perspective would be my guess from a counter-intelligence perspective. >> aapril, now that steve lays it out from a counter-intelligence point of view. this is a meeting arranged by a russian billionaire, attended be i a russian lawyer, a russian-american lobbyist and two russian billionaire representatives. rig right? why would three of the people closest to donald trump, again the presumptive nominee for the president of the united states when this meeting occurred ever take a meeting. when you look at that list and look clearly at alleged ties to the kremlin, ties to vladimir putin? you look at this background with the congressional inquiry?

>> well, erin, you want to think this is something you want to blame on the fact that they are still novices to this game the game of politics. but when the stakes are this high the president did say, anyone would take this meeting. it's about open six research and they still are going against hillary clinton. so you know in the e-mails it showed if it's what you are saying, i love this, so donald trump jr. took the meeting according to president for opposition research to gain information on hillary clinton so they could, indeed, make sure, a sure win. remember, they were shrewd businessmen before they became politicians. they are yu a few maybe a year or so into politics. >> and, of course, paul manafort with what, four or five decades of experience at the top level of politics. so for him to certainly can't say there was niave the te.

>> he said i doubt this person was there talking about adoptions, he is referring to kavaladze. do you think he's right? >> well, i don't know. there are a lot of suspicious characters here, bob mueller can figure out who did what, when or where? the russians had at least three people there very interested in getting these sanctions lifted against russia. the rush goalgarks, very upset, they're targeting them. the adoption issue was a very small piece of the whole debate over sanctions, it is clear that is discussed. the other thing, the crawl of the deal is the dirt on hillary clinton promised to the trump campaign in the e-mail. so this is a deal t. deal is we will give you the dirt on hillary clinton if you will promise to lift the sanctions if you win the election. we know the dirt on hillary

clinton was pushed into wikileaks. we node that deal was upheld, vladimir putin is rightly upset that the trump teams are a part of the deal is not being upheld, which is relieveing the sanctions, that's obviously what was going on here. anybody that denies that is a fool. >> steve, let me ask you about the quo. when you look at this, at least the people in the meeting, maybe people are lying or not, who knows. at this point we know they have all said is the quote didn't happen in the meeting. they didn't get this amazing dirt on hillary clinton. is that significant to you? does it indicate they doesn't have it or they weren't acting on behalf of the russian government. or the russian deposit was hading back for later. what does that say to you that the quo wasn't there? >> the first part is it is much less importance that should attach to the quo. there have been a lot of analogies in terms of well, if somebody is trying to brake into your house, they're unsuccessful at it. is it still a crime? look, they took the meeting

according to donald trump jr.'s own e-mails, they took the meeting because they expected and hoped to get something from a foreign government the russians, not the brit itself, not the french, not any friendly governments, unfreend e friendly government, the russians, that's what they want the information for. that's the critical thing to focus on in terms of the importance rather than what they got out of the meeting. >> aapril, what do you expect from these tms next week? presumably they could be opened. bob moouler saimueller has saido ahead, will you have open testimony. why not? you will have a lot of moments like this? >> well, we don't know, we are anticipating and waiting for what happens next week. what we do as reporters, we will listen intently and closely nor new information. i believe the story could be advanced from those hearings. but at the same, we want to see how high and how wide this goes. we could learn more information.

again at the same time we could hear key words what i recall, what i somewhat remember, what have you, along that line. because if you don't specifically say i did not, i did, you know you different yourself some wiggle room so that you can at least have that omission and be okay. >> it comes to whether there was a phone call between donald trump jr. at first it was categorical it didn't happen. now it's i don't recall. i am hearing a lot of i don't recalls right now. senate officials meeting at this hour to plot their next move on health care t. president has changed his tune dramatically. one of putin's biggest critics and arguably the most famous russian disdepartment sound off on putin and trump, chess grand master gary kasparov is "out front" tonight. with calcium and vitamin d. one a day women's in gummies and tablets.

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breaking news, 32 million more americans uninsured by 2026. so that is at this moment the congressional budget office estimate of what would have under the new senate bill that would repeal but not immediately replace obamacare. are you for given if you are confused about what possible bill we are talking about. it seems to change every day. we have a bill out. this number is 10 million more americans than the cbo score of the previous senate bill that would have repeal and replace obamacare. okay. so repeal only, 32 million uninsured. repeal and replace 22 million additional uninsured. this new score shows average premiums for individual policies purchased through the marketplace or insurers would increase by 25% next year. 50% in 2020 and be a full double

by 2026. of course, it's an estimate, it could be wrong. this is the best estimate we got right now. at this moment, white house officials are on capitol hill, because the president told gop senators they must keep their promise to repeal and replace obamacare. phil mattingly is out front on capitol hill, obviously, a crucial meeting. they are racing, now this big meeting. these number, though, 32 million uninsured americans, how big of a problem will they be to law makers who have already balked at numbers leak 22 million? >> reporter: yeah, erin, according to aides i have been speaking to, it's a clarifying moment, those who couldn't think of yes, this is what senate majority mcconnell said repeal only, it's the type of things we have seen, republican senators saying absolutely no. i won't vote for that or to proceed on that, it's inpart starting to go on behind me administration

officials and senators file in. i think it's important to note here, ereturn, as all of this starts to happen, as this lunch happened today and certainly there is positive momentum. compared to what we have 18 over the last couple weeks. i am told be skeptical. very skeptical. that's a quote. reality on replace is there is a reason it collapsed originally t. ideological divides are real t. efforts to revive it, they will see what they can do, erin. >> phil mattingly, i want to show you the former adviser, jack kingston who joins me with the state department spokesperson. thanks so both. congressman kingston, you know you had a lost people who went 22 million came out, granted a lot of those were going to lose coverage because they opted out. that 22 million number was enough to get a lot of republicans to say they couldn't go forward. now you are looking at 32 million. how damage iraqi these numbers to the white house that is desperately now trying to convince senators to get on

board? >> you know, i think they're damaging to the extent that everybody will use cbo either for them or against their argument one way or the other and this case, i think this is what happens when you hold out, you hold out for perfection in a bill and i think that what the majority leaders do, they say, look, we are going to do this repeal only bill and all it does is keep the discussion going. it gives us two years to come up with a replacement and that would be our plan. >> yeah. >> but do you want the process to continue? or are you going to cut and run? smr the thing is, you got seven years, if you repeal with a two years replace that gives you nine years, we all agree by god should be if you have. this is a part of the problem here, right? buying more time would make sense if you hadn't had a lot of time already? >> that's true. not yu seven years, but even just the last six or sevens and donald trump is great at making proclamations of what will happen, what will be one?

we will get a bill passed. i think what many republican versus learned and seen with health care specifically, is that he can't build a coalition, he will not learn the details of a bill, essentially the emperor doesn't have any clothes on. so a lot of people will not be following him down this new road just to get a win i think. >> congressman, let me ask you about this, whether people gop can count on their president on this, right? 48 hours, he said radically different things, congressman, up first, on monday morning, he tweeted republicans should repeal failing obamacare and a health care plan that will start from a clean slate, dems will join in. that's the repeal now replace later. yesterday he came out and washed his hands of the hole thing, here he is. >> i'm not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. we'll let obamacare fail and then the democrats will come to us. >> okay. and then today, forget not going to on it.

and it's dead. he's now all in again. here he is. >> we have no choice, we have to repeal and replace obamacare. inaction is not an option. >> so monday it was repeal only, tuesday it was let it fail. today inaction is not an option, is this a problem for the gop, they're worried he could completely change his mind tomorrow? >> no, i can tell you the message going through to the american voters the people out there who voted for donald trump and have a cynical view of washington. they say they see a man trying his best to get something done, trying to push along a reluctant congress house and senate members who aren't cooperating. when i was in the house, we actually had an athd that we ran against bill clinton talking about balancing the budget. he'd say, we can do it two years, no, maybe five years, three years. we thought it was a hilarious ad. it came out as a guy trying hess best. and so -- this guy in washington, i think there are people who are going to say,

isn't the president just turning right, you know, back and forth? but the reality, he's trying in the face of the u.s. senate and it's extremely difficult right now. >> so, jen, i wanted to switch gears here, we have a new report i want to get you both to weigh in on, the president just telling the "new york times," i quote, session also, obviously the attorney general should have never recuse himself. and if he were going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job, i would have pecked somebody else. >> reporter: well, you can always. >> let's make sure everyone understands, we are talking about recuseing from all things russia related. go ahead. >> yes. you can always bet on donald trump to stay what's on his mind, even to the horror of his aides. so, look, i think this is what many people had assumed all along was his point of view, that he wanted sexes in that position, because he thought he'd be a reliable allie and partner overseeing the russia investigation and obviously when he recuse himself, he was no longer that reliable partner and allie. so, i think he's stating what

many have suspected for quite some time. >> now, congressman, let's just continued here with what he said to the "new york times". of course, bob mueller is now in charge the special counsel and the "new york times" writes from this discussion, interview with mr. president trump. they say mr. trump was running an office rife with conflicts of interest and warned prosecutor would cross a reds line if they delve into family finances unrelated to russia. is that smart to say about mueller right now? and, by the way, who is the president to say what the red line is for a special counsel, right? >> i think what happens with special counsels, they tend to go in all kind of drive directions. who would have trot if you were a 23-year-old, 24-year-old inturn a white water investigation into real estate would lead to you and your name was monica lewinsky, that was the crescendo of a long time investigation. i think that's worrisome about a special prosecutors, that i can go almost anywhere they want.

they keep sevening and searching until they get somebody's scalp. i think what the president bleempbs and i believe as somebody involved in the campaign was there was no collusion with russia and we do think this is a waste of time. this is because people can't get over the election. >> why don't they put everything on the table? why do we find out about these emales from donald trump jr. when the "new york times" gets it. so he's forced to put them out and at that time jared cush fer disclosed a meeting he failed to disclose for five months, six month on his security forms, if there is nothing to hide, why put it out there? why coming out saying the "new york times" and tell the special counsel where there is a red line and there isn't. >> erin, i share your frustration on that. i think that meeting because nothing came from it was quickly forgotten. i think when you go into the administration, you got to dig and dig and recall everything that's out there. so you know i'm in agreement with. that but remember, this

investigation hasn't been going on over a year. it actually the fbi knew there was russian hacking in 2015. and yet nothing has come that shows any collusion. i mean this meeting which everybody is anti-trump is very, very excited about and has a lot of hope. >> the republicans are concerned about the meeting, congressman, lets be clear. the e-mails are clear on what donald trump jr. thought the meeting was about. >> i think republicans are frustrated it wasn't disclosed. they're not frustrated there was collusion and this nefarious stuff they have been accused of. can you really believe eight people would have been in a meeting where they would plot some kind of, you know, conspiracy with russia? in one of your previous, the bush special counsel actually said and we know that this was linked to the wikileaks e-mail disclosure. >> that is absolutely not true whatsoever. and yet, he was an ethics lawyer who said that. he should be the first one to say, you can't necessarily say that a is connected to b just

because you want id to be connected to b. >> i just want to get another nothing et here from this interview with the "new york times," which is literally just crossing, so i want to bring it in here, jen, mr. trump on the "new york times" says mr. trump believes mr. comey told him about the dossier to implicitly make clear he has something to hold over the president. there is a quote from the president. in my opinion he shared it so i would think he had it out there, mr. trump said. as leverage? president trump was asked by the "new york times," he responds? i think so. >> jen, what do you say is it possible that's what mr. comey was doing when he pulled the president aside an said hey you should know about the dossier? >> i was in the government at the time. i can tell you that's a kin i cynical view of how any agency government would work, obviously, i wasn't in touch with comey, nor were political appointees in the white house, these are processes and policies

done in order to inform the incoming president about what there was, what was out there kind of in information circles, that was being said about him. that was a responsible action and one that was taken to do a peaceful transfer of power. so that's a pretty cynical and pretty serious accusation. >> congress woman, would you agree, it's a serious accusation, its with under the president of the united states should be making about an fbi director? >> i think comey has been all over the court. i think that it's not cynical at all. i think it's very probable. i want to point out that susan rice who was involved in some of the unmasking, we think she was a political appointee and she was involved in talking to james comey. so we can't say that that firewall was very high between the obama administration -- >> jack, unmasking is not illegal. no one suggested anyone from the obama administration has done anything ill loo el. >> well, they are having to testify for that, it would be

illegal if she unmasked it for reasons that disclosed it. susan rice is somebody should get a lot more spotlight. so far she's been given a pass. >> that's sad. >> one more thing i want to get in, trump also talked about the second meeting with vladimir putin, of course, which was disclosed 11 days after it happened. any tidbit from this matters a lot. let me tell you what he is saying. he is saying, quote the meal was going towards dessert. i went down to say hello to melania, while i was there, i said hello to putin. really pleasantries more than anything else, it was not a long conversation, it was, you know, could be 15 wants many, just talkled about things, actually, it was very interesting, we talked about adoption. be i the way, congressman, that's a pretty incredible thing for him to say. talking about adoption narcs is not pleasantries, that is a part of a national security and sanctions issue between the united states and russia, right? you would acknowledge that

right? >> yes, but let me say this, the russian adoption program was very widely used as a congressional office. we had people adopting russian beans very routinely, most congressional offices did. i don't think we were unique in that. >> okay. that's missing the points here. the points is that russian adoptions were stopped by the russians in retaliation for the magnitsky act which put sanctions on russia, which vladimir putin desperately wants removed. if that is being discussed, adoptions, that is a national security and policy issue, that's not pleasantry atrys. >> well, i think it's very good for officials from one country to have a relationship to another and i can say this, many, many times in politics you see somebody in the hallway and do you make a policy decision. you can't have a substantive discussion or the beginning of one and, you know, you want to create the atmosphere of something like g20 to lead is e

leaders of countries have have that back and forth. you never know when there is an opening. >> just to be clear the fact that it came up necessarily, it is not necessarily a problem, perhaps the president wanted to bring this up, perhaps you have been a part of this. perhaps this was a plan, they were going to have more of a conversation. then he immediately debriefed his national security team and perhaps all those things happened. right? is it possible all that happened or do you truly think that this is a massive breach of protocol and perhaps a serious risk? >> it's not uncommon at all for presidents of the united states or secretaries of state to have one off pull aside meetings in a diplomatic arena, certainly not the g20. i think that's important to act knowledge. but what is different here is that there have been a range of reports, including ones that said it was an hour or longer about this meeting, and it sounds like it was a substantive discussion and it wasn't disclosed and the fact that it wasn't disclosed is not common protocol. >> that is hugely problematic. it is not like having a conversation between members of congress. this is two world leaders,

having a conversation, including one who is an adversary who is continuing to try to hack our systems here. so this is a very different case and it is hugely problematic and there is reason for concern about it. >> all right. hit pause there. there are a lot of questions to be answered. of course the president saying it was pleasantries, it was one hour, adoption would not be consistent with police aptries, a lot more -- -- owe pleasant tr tryries. next, the second world best known russian disdetectives, chess master gary kasparov is out front and a woman was shot and killed after being attempted to be raped, and was shot. what do they tell us? like i sai. book now at choicehotels.com ♪

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>> breaking news, president trump now breaking his anything else. it was not a long conversation but it could be 15 minutes just talked about things actually it was very interesting. we talked about adoption. adoption obviously front and center as a crucial national security policy dispute between the united states and russia. and this comes as a white house today is refusing to offer any more details of a dinner conversation but it is raising a lot of questions at this hour out front is garry kasparov. he's a long-time russian disdent. gary, i appreciate your time

tonight thank you. the white house says this previously undisclosed meeting between trump and putin at the g20 was just a brief chat. our reporting indicates the two spoke for an hour, there were no other u.s. officials present, the only translator was the russian translator who worked with vladimir putin. what concerns you about this. >> we brush aside all information about the previous information about the russian intelligence and all the russian stories surrounding our presidents this story is raising a red flag. the united states present spent one hour talking to a man known to be a sworn enemy of the united states. we know he cannot be trusted. the president can't go 10 minutes without tweeting something wild and

contradictory. we also know he revealed information to russian foreign minister. now what's happened in the meeting? we don't know. it's a line for blackmail to explore in the future. whatever putin is going to say about it. or even worse american al lie lis can be taken as the only recollection. >> so because there's only going to be one version, and that's putin's version, that's why you think this could be a gold mine for blackmail. >> yes, but also maybe something else happened at the meeting. because it's unexplainable, reckless at best, that after two hours of meeting with putin saying it was a pr victory,

trump spent another hour. i wonder how this meeting could come sbabt why it was a necessity. we know there was no american interest to discuss with russia. the question is, if putin is not an american ally, is he trump's ally? >> we're reporting what happened is trump went over to putin at the end of the dinner. now, do you think this surprised putin? look it is against protocol. is it possible that trump got the upper hand because he did something so unprecedented, so unexpected, walked over, sat down, is it possible that trump actually won this by acting so unusually? >> maybe he won at that, but then the question is, why didn't he have a russian speaking translator at the dinner. so if trump had that it mind it raises more questions.

we know what putin did for russian, it was not in russian national interest. now, same question must be asked about donald trump, was he acting for the united states or trading the national interest? >> so i want to ask you about the meeting at trump tower which, of course, involved the president's son, don junior. you have been around russian politics for a long time. you're family with many of the people we know was involved in that eight-person meeting. in the e-mail exchanges between trump jr. and the man who set up the meeting. i want to quote the e-mails high level and sensitive information but it's part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. gar ry, do you think anyone in that room was truly there acting on behalf of the russian government. >> absolutely. i have no doubt about it.

i cannot imagine otherwise. approaching the president's -- okay. at that time, the potential president's team, offering information that could change the course of american history, potentially change the nation and russian/american relations without approval from the very top, by that i mean vladimir putin, it's inconceivable in putin's russia. this has been authorized. he has been overseeing every moment, especially such a crucial moment as the meeting with donald trump jr. and the rest of the group when this information was offered and i believe it was one of the meetings that they had and i believe that the information has been changing ever since. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. next much more on the stunning words just breaking from the

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tonight we're learning new details about the 911 calls ju teen day monday made. according to the calls she made two of them to 911 to report a possible rape saying she thought she heard a woman screaming and crying for help. ryan young is here with details. >> knew details about the australian born woman killed by a police officer responding to her 911 call. by days after her death minnesota's mayor says the basic questions remain. >> what happened? how is it that justine is dead? >> just revealed in her 911 call, 11:27 she tells a 911 operator, i can hear someone out

the back, i'm not sure if she's having sex or being raped the operator asked if she heard someone screaming. she said it sounds like sex noises but it's go been going on for a while, and i think she said help. >> 11:41 officers pull into an alley behind their homes. officer hairty driving the car says they heard a loud sound that startled them, a moment later at ruszczyk approaches the car, noor shoots from the passenger seat hitting ruszczyk. but less than a half an hour from her call, ruszczyk is dead. it was reasonable for the officers to have assumed an ambush siting the shooting of a new york city police officer. but the mayor expressed the

frustration of anybody that officer noor has refused to talk. >> people have constitutional rights. they don't have to make a statement. i wish he would. he has a story to tell no one else can tell. >> in australia, ruszczyk's friends gathered on a beach to say good-bye. >> it bewilders a lot of people how out of control the bun situation is in the united states. >> even an emotional prime minister spoke out. >> how can a woman out in the street in her pajamas seeking assistance from the police be shot like that? >> and after the 911 transcripts were released this afternoon i can tell you in this neighborhood the big question is where was that victim who was screaming. everyone wants to know what caused justine to walk outside her house after calling 911. that is still a mystery. >> thanks, ryan.

and thank you all for joining us. ac 360 begins right now. good morning the new york times just printed an interview with the president. we have detail osthat shortly. we begin with sad and shocking news about senator john mccain. what have you learned? >> with senator mccain's permission i spoke with his doctors earlier today and he said the operation he had reveals an aggressive type of brain cancer. that was what was causing his problems they operated on above his left eye. this is a type of primary brain cancer. they just found out after the pathologist looked under the micro scope specifically, and that is what they found. as you point out it's sad news. this is an aggressive type of brain