major reforms now for the ij company and involuntary bumps are down 85%. the latest earnings call said despite the pr nightmare, united customers are forgiving. sales grew last quarter. thank you for joining us. i'm christine romans. >> and i'm dave brigz. president trump with harsh words. . "new day" has their hands full now. >> sessions should have never recused himself. i would have picked somebody else. >> this is a president who believes everybody is out to get him. >> it seems hard to believe that that was really the topic of conversation. >> he's obsess ed with russia. this is a battle between an outsider and a whole city full of insiders. >> that operation that he had on friday revealed he has an aggressive type of brain cancer. >> there's nobody who was the

kind of fighter that john mccain is. >> this disease has never had a more worthy opponent. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo. >> welcome to viewers in the yoits and arou united states and around the world. this is "new day." 6:00 here in new york. the story of the morning is "the new york times" interview with the president. you have to hear his opinions about how he's perceived around the world. whether he made the right choice for attorney general and maybe most important his reckoning of what line the special counsel should not cross and what happens if he does. >> this was a wide ranging interview and they covered a lot of ground. the president accuses james comey of trying to leverage that it dossier of compromising information in order to keep his job. the president also issued a warning to special counsel robert mueller about the scope of the russia investigation. once again, trump insists that he himself is not under

investigation. trump also talks about that undies closed meeting with vladimir putin. let's begin our coverage with one of the junlists who conducted that interview. "new york times" white house correspondent maggie, wide ranging interview that you have. he talked about jeff sessions who he seems to have soured on. let's play ta for our viewers and then you cannen comment on it. listen to this. >> sessions should have never recused himself. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked somebody else. >> he gave you no heads up? >> sooezero. so jeff sessions gets into the job, recuses himself, i then have -- which frankly, i think

is very unfair to the president. how do you take a job and then recuse yourself. if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said, >> so maggie, we want to know what jumped out at you. isn't the time line of that confusing? how did john session know he was going to recuse himself before he took the job? >> he couldn't know. >> my take on it and i think among the more charitable explanations is that what the president was referring to, and he talked about it at other points during the interview, was the fact that jeff sessions botched his testimony in his senate confirmation hearing, where he was not forthcoming about russian contacts with the russian ambassador, and my read on what the president was saying is he had sessions made clear that he was going to omit that or had he had a concern about that in the first place he wouldn't have appointed him. we know he's been angry at sessions. peter baker, one of my two colleagues, the other is mike schmidt who conducted the interview with me, peter baker

and i wrote several weeks ago that the president was fuming at jeff sessions. this has been going on for quite some time over the recusal. the president sees the recusal as the original sin. what was striking and what jumped out at me is that he said it to us. i was very surprised that he said it on the record but as you guys know the gap between what this president says privately and what he says publicly has always been pretty narrow. it's usually pretty consistent, but it was a remarkable disclosure and a remarkable public rebuke. >> is it unusual to have the president of the united states basically undermine the sitting attorney general? >> sure. >> and clearly he has no confidence in him because of this situation and it also seemed in the conversation that he looks -- you used the term original sin. the president seems to view sessions stepping away from the investigation as the main domino that has led to the special counsel. is that accurate? >> absolutely. not even a close call. he believes that it all leads back.

mueller leads back to rosenstein and that leads back to jeff sessions. he lays out in his mind what makes it frustrating to him. his mood was pretty sanguine. he was very upbeat. whatever -- whatever is happening around him, he seems pretty settled in his own mind about whatever he's going to do with this white house. he clearly knows that he cannot fire jeff sessions and peter baker and i wrote about that a couple weeks ago but would not mind if sessions left on his own accord and that's what came through to me. that may happen if you're frozen out by the president who is publicly undermining you. next, james comey. he shared more of his opinion about fbi director james comey as well as what we thinks the president thinks that dossier was really about, so it was

filled with salacious details, unconfirm, so the president, this is not audio but i'll read it for reverend told you this. when he, meaning comey, brought it, the dossier to me, i said this is really made-up junk. i didn't think about anything. i just thought, man, this is such a phony deal. so anyway, in my opinion he shared it so -- so that i would think he had it out there. one of the reporters asked as leverage and mr. trump says yeah, i think so, in retrospect. >> give us more context here. he was pretty clear. what he felt was james comey was presenting him with this information and dangling to show that he had something on the president. i think in the president's mind that was about keeping his own job, james comey keeping his own job. but, again, another remarkable statement from the president. look, he has made in fairness a series of remarkable statements about james comey, you know, beginning with when he fired him, but this was a first, and

this was a new revelation on how he's viewed that chain of events during the transition process. i want to skip away. you're giving us so much news to unpack but i don't want to wait to talk about the muller stuff but we're here. this was a big deal because -- because this issue of what the president can do with a special counsel or should do with a special counsel and we're talking about it before the show. it seems reasonable that if the president has no financial dealings with russia, no financing, nothing to worry about, he should want the special counsel to go down that road and come up with nothing and that would be the best validation for the president's position. instead he said something very different to you. i believe we have sound of it. let's play it t. >> looking at your finances, your family finances unrelated to russia. is that a red line? would that be a breach of what

his actual. >> i would -- i would say yes? >> and then he goes on, right. said he didn't want to answer it, but he seemed to suggest, maggie, your take. you were in the room. that if mueller went after him personally too much that might be too much would seem to suggest he'd move on muler. >> wasn't clear exactly what he meant and i'm hesitant to put words in his mouth and he did ask that question. >> and he said he didn't want to answer it. >> we asked it repeatedly and asked it in several ways and he was cautious and thoughtfully cautious about not answering it but he saw mueller's purview very specific, specifically about russia and if it was made broader about financial issues, the white house counsel's office is aware of the number of attorneys that are experts in financial crimes issues. they are paying close attention to that. the president made very clear that if things went sort of in

his mind far afield or beyond what the corners and parameters are of this investigation and the initial charge, that he would consider it a quote, unquote violation. but he did not say what he would be prepared to do. however, he clearly wants to leave that option open and mueller be aware that have. >> this next excerpt that we have is confusing. >> okay. >> the president -- and that's why you're here. the president told you that he does not believe that he's under investigation. in fact, he went further. i'll read it. i don't think we're under investigation. i'm not investigation. for what? i didn't do anything wrong. of course, "the washington post" reported on june 14th that the president is under investigation for possible obstruction of justice, and when says we're not under investigation, obviously his team is under investigation. >> i didn't know what we referred to, but i do think what he was saying was not that he is understand investigation since the firing of comey. i think he meant prior to that, and i think he meant about

whether he had done anything in connection with russia, and, again, i'm interpreting. that's my read on what he said. >> that's been fairly consistent with what he said all along. >> that's right. >> the first time he played on this point was when he said i can only speak for me. >> that's correct. >> i didn't do anything wrong. >> yeah. >> that's obviously a point of interest for him, but i have to tell you. >> yes. >> it was surprising in this interview, and we have a lot more to unpack about it, but his notions about where he stands in the world and what's going on were very definite and often at odds with what we know about the facts of different situations, and it was very helpful, maggie, i don't know if it was for you, to explain why he comes after the media when he disagrees with reporting as quickly and as capriciously as he does. he has his own ideas about what's true. >> look. he sees -- this is not new. this president has always had a certain view of his accomplishments and how he has done and what he sees as a

divide between how that gets reported in the media and how he sees himself is. i mean, i was really struck, i was on that paris strip last week. i haven't seen him be that happy and engaged in a being lo time. i think he's enjoying the foreign travel for a number of reasons and i think another is because it's about exploring these new patches of of land where we can woo people and make his case. look, there are obviously a number of world leaders who are very concerned about the united states' standing right now and this presidency. his visit with the french president was the antithesis of what it had been just a few weeks before, and i think that was a point of pride for president trump. >> meg, always so helpful for you to give us behind-the-scenes context. stick around. we have many more questions for you. breaking news, senator john mccain has been diagnosed with brain cancer. right now the 80-year-old is recovering at home in arizona after having surgery last week to remove a malignant tumor we

thought was first a blood clot. the doctors at the mayo clinic spoke exclusively to cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. dr. gupta reviewed the senator's medical reports when the senator was the presidential candidate in 2008. here joins us live from arizona with the latest. what do we know about this, sanjay? >> reporter: most people know that he had an operation this past friday for a blood collection that was actually inside of his brain, but what exactly caused, that how he's been doing since before that time. we did get some of those details. take a listen. senator john mccain is recovering well after an operation last friday to remove a malignant brain tumor known as glibts mah. i spoke to two of his mayo clinic doctors about the details of his care. mccain had come in for a schedule annual physical friday morning with no complaints except intermittent double

vision and fatigue which he attributed to an intense international travel schedule over the last month. his doctors ordered a cat scan to check for a blood collection or a stroke. upon review doctors called mccain who had left the hospital and asked him to immediately return for an mri. the scans revealed a five-centimeter blood clot above the senator's left eye which appears to have been up there for a week. the decision was made to perform an urgent operation. by 3:00 p.m. mccain was in the operating room undergoing a craniotomy to remove the tumor. doctors made an incision above the eyebrow where they bore a two-centimeter hole to remove the tumor. a pathology report indicated a tumor globe as glibts mah, a very aggressive kind of brain tumor, the same tumor that beau

biden and ted kennedy had. this is not senator mccain's first health scare. until 2,000 he was diagnosed with invasive malignant melanoma. >> i'm having a lot of exposure to the son when i was young. >> doctors removed a dime-sized melanoma from his left temple. when mccain was campaigning for president in 2008, i had a chance to review all of his medical records. details of his health since then have remains private until just now. his doctors at the mayo clinic who have been treating him for several years it was mccain's gut instinct knowing something just wasn't right. >> i mean, he's so tough. everybody knows that. the question is what does he do now? what are the options, sanjay? >> well, you know, he's having these conversations with his doctors. this is unfolding realtime, you know, so they are just getting this information as well, senator mccain and his family. what typically happens, chris,

is there's more treatment necessary, even though the surgeons feel like they got all the tumor out, they can bet that there's some microscopic bits of tumor left so chemotherapy and radiation. one thing because he had this operation they have to wait a little bit of time to start the operation, until the wound where he had the operation heals. that can take three or four weeks. his doctors told him he would need just a couple of weeks to recover but he also, as you point out. he's tough. got out of hospital the day after the surgery. in the icu surgery the next day, woke up right away after surgery, joking around with the operation room staff and knew, you know, what year it was, was oriented just fine so doctors let him go home the next day, but it's going to be a few weeks of decisions and then potential start of therapy. >> look, the prognosis is sobering for anyone. he's 81 years old. he is a fighter, as we know. that defines him so obviously we'll be praying for him and following every step. sanjay, thank you very much. >> lindsey graham has it right.

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interesting because that was part of a conversation that don had in that meeting. >> did you know the time that they had the meeting? >> i didn't know anything about the meeting. >> so meg, interesting. he's saying he talked about adoption there almost coincidentally and brings it up that his son's meeting was about that also. what was the suggestion there, that this was a topic that was important to the russians? what was your read on it? >> that was my read on it. not that the u.s. president raised it. i want to be clear because we don't know specifically what happened and he didn't say so some of this is speculation. what's interesting is talking about russian adoptions is really related to talking about sanctions, and so it made me wonder what specifically vladimir putin said or in what context he raised it. the u.s. president did not say very much about that yesterday in his interview with his. he didn't go further than what he said on audio really, but it was very clear that he described

this meeting as fairly brief. >> 15 minutes. >> right. >> and others have said it was close to an hour. the white house argument is that this president was in the room and that other people who were talking about it weren't. i don't know that we're ever going to know what was said. >> maggie, one more point. did the president tell you that he first wandered over to putin's side of the room because that's where melania was seated? >> his wife, the first lady. she was seated next to vladimir putin which some people have said is an unusual seating arrangement. >> right. >> and then do we know where melania was during this conversation? >> it appeared she was present for the whole thing, but, again, i'm speculating just based on how he described the scene. i didn't get the sense that she had disappeared off anywhere. >> you said earlier, maggie, you haven't seen him sanguine for quite some time. when were you in paris with him for that trip and then in this interview. he didn't have the full cadre of supporters to intimidate you there this time. it seemed like it was much more

of a casual setting. >> i don't think it was as intimidating before. it was a pretty chill scene. that wasn't my takeaway. it was a very sort of lax setting despite being in the oval. my takeaway and, again this, may prove wrong, my takeaway is whenever donald trump is sort of this calm or sort of seeming at peace and the disparity between his level of sort of visible anxiety or agita and some on his staff is pretty wide. it's a big gap. he seemed as if he has some sense of what he is going to do with this presidency, what he's going to do with his white house. he has some plan in his own mind. he may not have read anyone in on it yet, but he seems to know where he's going. >> and also, i mean, you have also interesting color that we'll get to in a moment about how ivanka walked in during the interview and brought her daughter, arabella, 6 years old, president trump and his grand

daughters, very interesting their interaction and he also wanted arabella to show off and speak chinese for you. >> i do that with my kids. >> mine, too. >> but they speak pig latin. >> so we'll get into all of that in a second. john, i want to bring you in. this is a wide-ranging are fascinating interview. what jumps out at you? >> first of it all, the real unprecedented nature of the lack of support he's showing jeff sessions. however he's reconstructed the time lon in his own mind about his recusal this is a president who does not support his only attorney general and really is paranoid his entire justice department may be conspiring against him. also telegraphing in a most troubling way for the country the possibility of firing mueller and his investigation if it goes outside the lanes which he has prescribed in his mind which is russian. those are both bombshells and they are deeply destabilizing frankly to the justice system that we have in the country. >> david, was your read similar

to john's in terms of the urgency that the president was conveying about mueller? because maggie fairly says they asked him several times about that, he didn't want to give an expression answer on what the consequence would be for going too far in the president's estimates down the road of his and his family's finances. i don't know how mueller can't do that within his purview, why he wouldn't do that, but what was your take about the urgency? >> since mueller's appointment i feel like president trump has been keeping pretty consistent about keeping the option out there and dangling and available to him of somehow getting rid of him which obviously would be a politically devastating option for him to choose. that combined with sessions i do share john's concerns. the thing about sessions that i find so odd, as maggie has said and wrote in the interview. it's clear that donald trump knows that he can't fire

sessions. well, isn't firing by another way just pushing and pushing and pushing? i don't think he gets to just wash his hands of this if indeed these comments result in jeff sessions leaving. i understand it's not the same as what the president did with comey in actually getting rid of him, but there certainly would be a cause and effect relationship there, that would be very concerning in the midst of what the justice department is involved with right now. >> boy, meg, it's fascinating that jeff sessions finds himself in this position. he was his earliest, most vocal ardent supporter. he was on our air touting president trump, then candidate trump when it wasn't that popular among republicans to do so, and there's always talk about loyalty and how important it is to president trump but i don't know if it's reciprocal. >> well, i think in president trump's mind this was an act of disloyalty. he basically said that, you know, that to recuse yourself

from this issue was unfair to the president, so in his mind that's where the loyalty goes. however, jeff sessions did what most legal experts thought was the prudent thing after he had, you know, had this botched answer, and to be fair to the president on his criticism of that senate testimony, a lot of people have said that they think that jeff sessions turned what essentially an easy question into a very complicated one but i think that's where the president's head is. >> the president is also somebody who doesn't believe in at hitting any fault so he probably saw this as a mistake organically. that you should never have said that you met with him. you should have thought about it before. have had your stories first. >> shouldn't have messed up the answer. >> that's right. >> a, you know, all trump surrogates saying that there was no mistake in jeff sessions' testimony and then the president admitting the obvious undercuts their position and what maggie

is pointing out this and loyalty is a one-way street to president trump and that has to put all his most senior supporters, cabinet officials and staffers on notice. that is a -- a kind of bullying technique that is deeply destabilizing but it cannot result in a solidity of government if people feel they could be undercut and abandoned at any moment from the guy at top. >> maggie, can you give us a little bit of color in the room. you said he appeared sanguine. was it -- hope hicks, his communications person was in there with you. what was the mood? hope was there, peter baker, mike schmidt and myself. the president has four chairs set up the same way he did at trum tower in front of his desk, in front of the resolute desk now. he previously had only a picture of his father on a credenza behind him. he's added a picture of his mother and veteran-related medals or something.

it was -- it was very relaxed. i mean, he was pretty breezy, drinking a soda, had that red button that gets him a soda on top of the desk. at one point his granddaughter arabella, ivanka, ran into the room and i think it may have been the same thing as melania trump wandering into the putin interview meeting, that trump and putin had ended. i think this might have been an effort to cut this a little short but the president wanted to keep talking. he greated his granddaughter. he said hello, baby. gave her a kiss and told her to speak chinese to us. she did that twice and then she ran back out. she was very sweet. he was -- he was -- look, he was irritated talking about sessions, and he was irritates talking about mueller and comb but his mood considering he had come from the health care lunch but has was optimistic. >> irritated by them but felt good about himself. he was so taken with the scope

and the scale, the pomp and circumstance of the bateal day parade that he was part of. he was talking to you about how many planes were in the air overhead. >> yeah. >> comparing it to the super bowl, and he even suggested it seemed that he wanted to do something like it on pennsylvania avenue. >> well, he did, and it's funny you picked up on that. one of the lightest moments in the interview was when he was talking about macron and he says the guy really loves holding my hand, and there was a moment at the end of the bastille day festivities where the two presidents had walked off the viewing stand and macron shook trump's hand and really wouldn't let it go, and i was watching, and this was going on for several meetings, so trump made a light hearted joke about it. but, look, he loves a good parade and he also is a bit of a military enthusiast so there's reports around trump's inaugural parade that he wanted to include some military aspect and he was told he couldn't. he clearly has not let go of that idea. >> what could possibly loves

wrong, a man who loves a parade and is a military enthusiast. the fact that he keeps returning back to his military factor in husband inauguration day, he loves the pomp and circumstance and the bunting that would be associated with a strongman, but it does not to give us any kind of civic confidence about his commitment to commitment to little "r" republican. >> maggie, thank you for sharing all the reporting and all the color in the root still, republicans are huddling long into the night in hopes of finding a replacement to go along with their repeal effort on obamacare. what do americans want? well, we have a brand new cnn poll on this very topic next. a daily struggle,

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that's fascinating. are we sure that republicans also want him to move on from repeal and replace? >> certainly no, and -- we still have a majority of americans that want to see some form of repeal if but combine repeal only or repeal and replace, but alisyn, this is significant. the president is not just in a race with senate republicans to get it done. he's in a race against public opinion. lock at this. 35% of americans in this survey now say to just completely abandon the repeal plans. that's up from 23% back in march, so that segment of the population is going against the president. repeal only with replacement as part of the deal, 34%, so basically tied there with abandoning all together and repeal and no replacement only. just repeal only is 18% so when you see the 34 and 18 you see the republican party divide there. we also asked folks about whether this should be a bipartisan effort. you know, americans do always say in polls they would like to see more bipartisanship.

take a look at this. 77% of americans in this survey would like republicans to work with democrats on this, 12% say republican only. by the way, among republicans, only 25% of republicans want to do this with republicans only, so even republicans would like to see some bipartisanship and then just the optimism about whether or not it will get done. take a look at this. 18%, only 18% say it is very likely that president trump and the republicans will repeal and replace. look how that has climbed down since january. overall, still 50% of americans think likely or very likely, somewhat likely or very likely that this will get done. more americans think it will get done than won't get done. >> that's a very good snapshot of where we are and how the country is feeling. >> chris? >> especially since how little is known by lawmakers about what exactly happens next.

the president is clear about one thing. he wants action. he says inaction is not a choice, and he's pressuring senators to move on this. take a little listen. look. he wants to remain a senator, doesn't he, okay? and i think the people of your state which i know very well, i think they are going to appreciate what you hopefully will do. >> he's talking about senator heller there who has been a tight race and has been very cagey about what to do about health care. the president, certainly separating himself from lawmakers. he keeps talking about they, they, they, their promise. what will about his promise? what is the president going to do to make good on his pledge to americans? next. your insurance company won't replace the full value of your totaled new car.

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health care has proven to be a struggle for this president. the proof is in the lack of progress and the changes in his own position. let's start with his tweet late monday night after senate republicans failed to pass their bill. quote, republicans should just repeal failing obamacare now and work on a new health care plan that will start from a clean state. dems will join in and then on tuesday he backed away from a repeal saying this. we'll just let obamacare fail. we're not going to own it. i'm not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. >> okay. then, listen to what he told senators at a lunch yesterday afternoon. we have no choice. we have to repeal and replace

obamacare. we can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace and let's get going. i intend to keep my promise, and i know you will, too. >> all right. all of these different moving positions, while senate majority leader mitch mcconnell moves forward to repeal obamacare without a replacement. what's happening here? we have maggie haber dan, david chalian and david avl ho n. before we get to the president's ever-changing positions, at this luncheon it was very interesting, the optics, as well as what was said because dean hellor of nevada was directly next to the president, not a fan of the recent gop bills, i think it's safe to say and the president took the opportunity to issue a warning, somewhat code, to dean hellor. let's listen to this. you didn't go out there. this was the one you were

worried about, but you're going to be. you're going to be. look, he wants to remain a senator, doesn't he, okay? and i think the people of your state which i know very well, i think they are going to appreciate what you hopefully will do. >> i mean, let's just be real clear about what happened there. that's a nice senate seat you've got there. it would be a shame if anything happened to it. that's an outright threat under the guise of joking. it's a bull extechnique >> you mean that the president could do something or a pac that supports the president? >> a pac that supports the president has already gone after him and, of course, that's what it refers to. >> there's no reason to be naive about it it. that's of course what he means and this is not new. david this happens all the time. >> this president. >> in general. if you do not do what the executive wants you to do, you've got trouble in politics. i don't think the president can be blamed for strongarming his own people. what's more noticeable is that

he's separating himself from his own people. starting to talk about the republicans like they were a separate group from him. >> that's would the sound bite you played for him of i'm going to keep your promise and you better keep yours, earlier in the day he tweeted about the republicans that they better keep their promise, not we collectively as a party and you're right. presidents have always tried to strong arm their own party members to their will, to their legislative will and using political carrots and sticks to do so. here's the problem. president trump lost nevada last time i checked in the race against hillary clinton. he's at 36% nationally so this gets back -- he wants to be feared here, but it's unclear that dean heller really will foresuch fear. the last time we heard from dean he will her on this where he stood he was standing with his governor and siding with his governor which was in opposition to the bill at that stage of the game. we'll see at mitch mcconnell develops for the plan of what

will be voted on next week and where heller stands, but it's not at all clear to me that dean heller really feels the full fear that it seems like donald trump would like him to feel. >> meg, the cbo score is not good news, certainly for mitch mcconnell who was planning to have this vote this upcoming week on just repeal. they determined that 32 million -- there would be 32 million more uninsured people if there was just to be a repeal. did you talk to the president about all of this in your interview? >> we did, and, you know, he as you correctly said he's taken a few different positions certainly the last few days and i think overall about whether he favored just a repeal or repeal and replace. what he said to us was that he had initially been in favor of a repeal but that, you know, he basically then decided that they ought to go together. my read on that, my interpretation was that at another point i asked him am i correct you fundamentally believe that people should have access to insurance and he said

yes. remember, you're not talking about somebody who was raised in a conservative area. he was raised in new york city, and i think he has a pretty specific view of the government's role in people's lives on issues like health care, and he was pretty -- i think, again, i'm interpreting here, but i think that he was saying he didn't want there to be a period where people lost their insurance. that's a really important difference between him and some people in the republican gop caucus. on another point, i want to go back to something you were saying before about him threatening dean heller. i agree, i don't think that the threat to heller is specifically going to workers especially since it's been made several times and kind of pulled back in the form of the tv ads and superpac that supports the white house but i do believe they need to send a message to people in states where trump's base is pretty strong, where the voters who voted for trump are going to have a real impact in these senate contests, and i think that they are thinking beyond just dean he willer.

>> if you got where his head was in the interview he talked about how long it had taken obama to get it done and how long hillary tried. he's thinking about it in terms of the optics. >> and now he knows that everybody knew that health care was so complicate federal they had paid attention to it in the past. that's great in terms of a learning curve but also let's focus on the fact that he took four positions on health care reform in 48 hours, and to what maggie just said, he's really focused that people aren't without coverage, that maybe where his heart and instincts are, but that's not necessarily where the policies he's proposing are. that level chaos and presidential messaging at a crucial moment about a fundamental policy is also not remotely normal. >> shows no real strategy. >> that's the issue. >> shows not a clear strategy from the white house about how to get the bill over the finish line. if you're all over the map with that publicly over 48 hours you

haven't been the north star and have the party follow you and here's where we're going that. to me seems the biggest problem with all the differences coming out of his mouth. >> appreciate it all. thanks so much. another big store they week o.j. simpson is hoping that a nevada parole board will grant him an early release from prison. what will the nfl hall of famer say in court tomorrow? we have a preview of all that. >> court today. >> oh. . ♪ ♪ ♪

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o.j. simpson appears before a parole board in nevada today. simpson serving eight and a half years of what could be a 33-year

sentence for kidnapping and armed robbery conviction in 2007. cnn's jean casarez has more for us from nevada. >> reporter: o.j. simpson at his first parole hearing four years ago. >> i arrived here nearly five years ago. >> reporter: simpson is behind bars for a dozen crimes, including kidnapping and armed robbery stemming from a showdown in a las vegas hotel with two sports collectors in september of 2007. simpson claims he was taking back personal memorabilia that had been stolen from him, and he brought a small entourage. >> nothing but the truth, so help you god? >> i do. >> reporter: one of the victims testified that o.j. wasn't armed but says at least two other men were. >> with a semiautomatic basically pointed at my face. >> reporter: simpson was stoic when the guilty verdicts were read but became emotional later at sentencing.

>> i wasn't there to hurt anybody had. i just wanted my personal things and i realize now i was stupid and i'm sorry. >> reporter: it was much more than stupidity. his sentence, 9 to 33 years. >> it was dubiously a crime and to see the very long sentence that he got seemed to me that he was being punished for the murder even though the judge said he wasn't. >> reporter: simpson's lawyers believe it was payback for the not guilty verdicts in his 1994 double murder trial. simpson was charged with killing his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and her friend, ron goldman. back then simpson was revered for his hall of fame football career that he converted into media stardom. televised for eight months, the murder trial was a national obsession. >> gloves didn't fit. if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> we the jury in the above

entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of murder. >> reporter: nielsen reports over 52 million people watched the verdict. later simpson lost a wrongful death suit and was ordered to pay the families of nicole and ron goldman more than $33 million, forcing him to sell off precious possessions. but in 2007 made that fateful trip to vegas. if simpson is granted parole, freedom could come to him on or about the 22nd anniversary of the day he was cleared of murder. jean casarez, cnn, carson city, nevada. >> boy, every time you see shapiro and you see cochran and all the questions and the moments just come back and now it culminates in this parole hearing today. let's bring in cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, the definitive reporter of o.j. simpson. >> the glove. you can't stop, right?

everybody has such vivid memories. >> and it was something where everything could break one way or the other and introduce so many topics to the american people about the justice system and what lawyering can moan and what juries can mean, and now here we are today. this isn't about the homicide case. this is about the burglary case. he was paroled with respect to certain charges already. but today will be his big day to clear the rest charges and maybe become a free man at age of what, 70? >> 70. what do you make of the chances? >> everything i've had learned about the nevada system suggests he will get parole. there are not a lot of 70-year-olds in prison, you know, unless you're serving life without parole, older people are almost -- are almost always paroled, and, you know, i have made -- i have said many, many times i think o.j. simpson is guilty of the murders. he should be serving life without parole for those murders. this nevada case is bogus.

if he had not been o.j. simpson he never would have been prosecuted. >> you don't think the burglary charges were strong enough. >> i thought it was a ridiculous case. i thought it was basically a bunch of jerks yelling at each other in a hotel room. if he hadn't -- remember, the reason he was sentenced to so long to 33 years saying that you knew that the other people in the hotel room had guns. the people with guns got far less sentences than he did, so what does that tell you? >> revenge. >> it was a payback, yes. >> what do we know about how this can go and what the factors are? >> you know, parole hearings are much more informal than court proceedings. you don't have to have due process. you don't have to the same kind of strict requirements so the parole officers, the board has a lot of discretion and they can, you know, consider factors or not consider factors as -- as

they wish. if that were a normal case, and, of course, nothing with o.j. is normal, it seems quite clear he will get parole. the real question that's always hovered around this nevada case is how much is it really about the murders in los angeles, and that requires going into the heads of the people who are the decision-makers here and i can't do that. if it's a normal process he'll get out. >> again, they have full discretion. this are different layers of votings and things. could come down to a simple majority vote. it comes up to the commissioners. they have a point system. is it the relevant at all in figuring out today that o.j. has gone through this once before and he was found to be very low risk on the charges he was offered parole on and they have a points scale and the fewer points the better and he has 3 which winds up being a very relatively small number. does that give you a window how he may be junged today. >> and the fact he has a good

disciplinary record in prison. fact that he is older and the fact that he was recommended for parole on some of the charges four years ago. it all suggests the conclusion that he will get parole today. again, it's o.j. all bets are off, but in normal circumstances all the signs point towards his release. now he wouldn't be released today. the way the system works, as i understand it, he would be released on october 1st. >> he would get the word today and have the final stint, and then the big question what is life for o.j. outside of prison? >> i think the answer is it would be a lot like his life after the acquittal in the criminal case in which -- which means he became a pariah in his old life. you know, his glamorous life in brentwood and being on television and doing endorsements would be over. i'm sure he'd go back to florida where he established a new life with a seedier group of friends, including the people who he got

in trouble with in nevada and i think he'll start selling interviews, he'll start selling memorabilia. that really is how he was make hag living then. florida also allows him under its laws to avoid virtually any payments that he'd have to make for the $33 million he owes to the goldman and brown families as a result of the civil case so certainly florida is his most likely destination. >> and if it doesn't go his way today, he's got six months and then he can go up before the parole board again. >> correct. >> jeffrey toobin, never ends. >> back in the '90s. >> never ends. cnn is going to bring you live coverage of o.j. simpson's parole hearing. that will begin at 1:00 p.m. eastern today. this sunday cnn's original series "the 90s" looks back at guess who, the infamous o.j. simpson and his 1995 murder trial, and tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern be sure to watch cnn's special report "after

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general jeff sessions? >> of course he does. >> it's extremely unfair. how do you take a job and then recuse yourself? >> it's one thing to hear about private conversations. it's another thing to throw jeff sessions under the bus in the "new york times." >> he wants mueller to know that he retains the right to get rid of him, too, if he crosses a red line. >> worried about this investigation and what they can find. >> he constantly steps on whatever his message his white house is actually trying to get out there. >> senator john mccain has been diagnosed with brain cancer. >> this is a man who is not going to just sort of throw in the towel. >> there aren't that many giants left in the united states senate. john mccain is a giant. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> we'll get an update on senator mcjane as soon as possible. good morning, welcome to "new day." the presidency is at six months at this point. six months into the trump presidency and this morning there's a new revealing "new york times"