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so what else was on those tapes? now a cnn exclusive. excerpts from the mark fuhrman tapes you've never heard. >> the thought of the party takes your breath away. >> what was it you couldn't say then that you can tell me now? >> tonight after o.j. the fuhrman tapes revealed. >> we are tragically into the third day -- >> los angeles. >> flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- >> a city torturered by a history of racial rage. >> firearm were held off by rioters. >> in 1965 racist white cops ignited the watts riots. >> a massive combined national

guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. >> by the late '80s allegations of excessive use of force had escalated racial tensions. rappers like nwa made clear black neighborhoods were ready to blow. then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating rodney king. when the lapd officers were exonerated in 1992 the city exploded. then just two years later. >> this is a horrendous crime. we have two people dead at the scene. >> two people brutally murdered. nicole brown and ron goldman and

the main suspect, nicole's ex-husband, football legend, o.j. simpson. >> how do you plead? >> absolutely 100% not guilty. >> there was a wealth of forensic evidence from drops of blood to shoe prints to a bloody glove. mark fuhrman would play a pivotal role in the trial. >> do you use the word -- >> and it was a trial that from the start was clearly about race. in a city with a deep history of racial turmoil. >> and you say on your oath that you have not addressed any black person as a nuns or spoken about black people as in the past 10 years? >> yes, sir. >> when you're watching the trial and you see this and you know what you've got on those

tapes, what were you think sng. >> i just laughed. i couldn't believe it. why would he say that? >> she is laura heart mckinney. the writer who recorded conversations with mark fuhrman. >> anything out of a n --'s mouth for the first five or six sentences is a lie. >> why have you decided to come forward now and talk to us? >> i trust you. >> does it feel good to talk about this? >> yes, it's time. >> could you come forward, please. >> there were bits of the puzzle i was unable to reveal at the time and i was unable to be as truthful as i really wanted to be. >> so she is telling her story, her truth and for the first time excerpts from the fuhrman tapes

you've never heard. vulgar. sexist. >> how do you arrest a violent suspect? >> have a man do it. >> disturbing. >> you got to be a border line socio path, you got to be violent. >> violent. >> five years ago i would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. obviously he's lying the first two times. after that you usually get the truth. so if you use that, you get a lot of laughs from lot of policeman. like in the lockerroom. some new kid, you know. why didn't you give him the 77th

lie detecter test? >> and even one tape made just months before he would testify in the o.j. simpson murder trial. even before the trial started he kbie how important he was to this case. >> right. he knew exactly how important he was. >> yet he lied on the stand. >> i have no idea why. >> in 1985 mckinney met mark fuhrman in los angeles, two years before the o.j. simpson trial. >> what's it like to be back here? >> it's an odd feeling. very odd feeling. >> it all began here at what was then alice's restaurant. >> i was sitting outside working on my laptop and he was dressed in regular clothes and he sat down and i was like he seems like a nice person.

he said what are you writing? >> she told him she was writing about a woman cop. his response surprised her. >> he just sort of stopped and -- a woman cop? he said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. you're never going to find. a competent woman cop i think is more accurate. i thought whoa. >> how did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me. >> i said why would you say that? and he said i work with them and they're incompetent. they're unable to hold a gun. they're not trustworthy. they're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. >> exactly what mckinney needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the police department. >> their response is what? but it's really their natural response. but before the recordings there

was a relationship. >> first of there we had a brief encounter. we had a romance. >> so it started out as a romance before you started doing the tapes? >> i would say it did. >> the tapebug gan when their romantic relationship ended. >> if somebody thinks enough of you they'll come up with some type of a name. we gave all the females names like this really ugly ones called critter. >> can i use all those? >> sure. use critters. >> what were you thinking when he was saying those things? >> bingo. i feel that often when i'm working. there will be a bingo moment or i get chills and when i get chills i can help somebody else

get chills. >> but laura hart mckinney would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. >> you've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. you don't pack those qualities. >> her 12 tapes would become a racial powder keg. >> the defense will question screen writer about interviews she taped with fuhrman. >> exposing alleged hatred. >> i guarantee you every hitler's birthday there's a celebration behind closed doors. >> impacting the trial of the century sfwlp do you use the word n --? >> they show the tapes will show he was a racist capable of planting a bloody glove. >> and revealing a secret sexist society inside the lapd.

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very uncomfortable with it. their natural response is split. split, hide, yell, scream, hide in the corner. that is really their natural response. and i don't think that's a slam to women, considering you know that i don't think -- >> he clearly he had no respect for women cops. >> they didn't want to be detectives but now they see the writing on the wall. >> did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? >> no, i didn't even know what a split tail was. i thought i really need to step up my game here. i really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so i'm clear to represent their voices. >> voices like tia morris.

>> every rank up through captain. >> in 1983 she was new to the force and ready to protect and serve in west l.a. at roll call, rookie officers like morris sat up front. >> the tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she's a pig and things like that. >> nobody stood up and said hey, don't back down. when you found out you had to work the beat with him, whart's your reaction? >> i was scared. i was scared only because of him standing up in front of all of our piers and the watch commander and other r supervisors and he flat out said i do not want to work with

morris. he was angry. >> how did he treat you that night? >> the whole night he threatened me and he say i'll take you and any other females you want to bring up to the academy and i'll choke you all out in a minute because you're not even strong. you can't handle a man. >> then morris says came a high priority call. >> i'd have to approach the scene by myself. >> so he made you get out at the scene. he wasn't going to help you. >> he shined his light and just sat there. he didn't get out. >> it was like a man and wife relationship, you know. somebody's got to make the decision. it's the man. and that's the way it is in the car. >> what if somebody had come towards you? >> he would have been happy because he could have allowed me to get hurt and that would be right up his alley. >> she says she was so scared

she didn't finish her shift that night. but fuhrman wasn't the only one with this attitude towards women. they called themselves m.a.w. men against women. what was your reaction? >> i couldn't believe it. i said i mean you guys actually go to the park after work and just drink beer and den great women? he said yeah. that's what we do. >> stand around the dark parking lot of a baseball diamond drinking beer at 3:00 in the morning. >> i spent time writing here thinking about what it would be like for the m.a.w. guys to be here. >> he even described disciplining of of their own. so they would hold these late night meetings and figure out

how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. >> who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them. had backed them up. >> coming up, tribunals and kill parties. >> just the thought of a kill party takes your breath away.

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calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. >> and then i go does anybody have any evidence to produce? well, on 2/25 i observed the defendant not only touch but kiss on the as one of the female officers. i did not. silence. it makes guys aware. >> seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. that's how m.a.w., men against women, reportedly worked. >> we have factions in five divisions. >> what was a typical outcome of these mock trials? these tribunals depending on the crime committed, the grand dragon would determine what the u.s.a. ruization would be. that the other guys wouldn't

talk with him. >> however, there was, as fuhrman describes, a way to avoid quote being put on trial. >> this is publicly humiliate a female officer in front of a bunch of male officers. >> tia morris says she had to work with the men of m.a.w. so when you heard about men against women and this group of guys making it their mission to intimidate and harass women, did you believe it? >> i didn't. but then i really saw how serious mark fuhrman was about the other men talking to the women. if they came up to me and spoke or anything like that, mark fuhrman would say what are you doing? don't talk to her and they would back away. >> men against women wasn't only about denegrating females,

fuhrman also told screen writer laura hart mckinney held what they called kill parties. celebrations she found unimaginable. >> the thought of a kill party takes your breath away. when there was an officer-involved shooting, some officers of the m.a.w. group would celebrate it it. the thought of taking someone's life and happy that it wasn't you and finding a way to go great job. that was a hell of an evening. it's just overwhelming, the really is. the idea of a kill party. >> tribunals. kill parties. equally disturbing is that mark fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. >> he told me i needed to go and dance on soul train. >> and internal investigations. in 1985, 10 years before the

o.j. simpson trial, tia morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of mark fuhrman and other officers. >> it happened because of the lieutenant that noticed the issues were spilling over to another watch. he told us what he observed and what he had been hearing about the men against women and the white ang low saksen police. he did specify he knew it was stemming from fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. >> they weren't formally punished but his reputation took a hit. so then he comes up for a promotion and you say? >> no. >> bernard parks was an lapd deputy chief when fuhrman came up to promotion. >> i made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's

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mentioned in a number of these. >> yes. we were privy to all of his past investigations and a stress claim he filed where he talked about how he hated blacks and hispanics. and women. and he was blaming the department for his stress because of those issues that he had. >> this time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including mark fuhrman. a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. coming up mark fuhrman's behavior would no longer be just an internal problem. the whole world would watch him implode. what's going on here? um...i'm babysitting. that'll be $50 bucks.

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by 1995 laura hart mckinney had settled down with her family in suburbern north carolina but back in l.a., her old buddy mark fuhrman was back on the stand. >> you say you have never spoken about black people as n --?

>> that's what i'm saying, sir. >> as bailey was grilling fuhrman, no one knew about the tapes, except for her and a few close allies. thencame the one phone call that changed everything. >> i picked up the phone. he said may i speak with laura hart mckinney and i said this is she but i didn't recognize the voice. >> mckennau was a private investigator working for o.j. simpson's lawyers. a sign to find anything that would support the defense's strategy that mark fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. >> i asked if in that story i had research tapes and if i had taped mark fuhrman. >> and your thought? >> i just froze and said yes and

then we left town. immediately. because i had no idea what to do. >> including what to do about some unexpected advice. >> who suggested you destroy the tapes? >> judge who was an acquaintance of mine in l.a. >> did that surprise you? >> yes. >> so did she want to protect mark fuhrman? >> i'm thinking she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. >> what did you say to her? >> i was plumxed. why? >> did she see the writing on the wall? was she afraid potentially a murderer could walk free because of what these tapes represented? >> she didn't know what was on the tames but when i said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change

forever. >> and that's exactly what happened. when mckinney refused to hand over the tapes, simpson's lawyers came to north carolina and took her to court. >> i have a business relationship with him. >> and you're still trying to market this? >> i was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. i was extremely nervous. >> this material is collateral. and i will deny the subpoena. >> i think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. this is bomb shell evidence and rrts absolutely critical. it's relevant, germane, material. >> he won. he didn't have to give up the tapes. >> was very pleased that we won and thought that's the end of it. great. >> and then you lost on appeal. >> right. >> and then you thought?

>> i thought i have to send the tapes. >> so did he say laura, please don't give up those tapes? >> he requested i not give up the tapes. >> what did you tell him? >> no. that i had to give them up. >> did you feel a need to protect him? >> no. he's very capable of rotecting himself. >> as for mckinney she could no longer protect the tapes or her privacy. so who told pat mckenna you had these tapes? >> that i don't know. that person has never been revealed to me. >> still a mystery? >> still a mystery. so to this day you don't know who gave you up, basically to the defense. >> no. i don't know who called. >> did you stop and think about what you should next do? >> coming up o.j. simpson charged with murder and mark fuhrman still taping. more from the infamous tapes

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good afternoon, mr mr. mckinney. >> over the 10 -- >> johnny cochran had everything he wanted. laura hart mckinney, her tapes, and recordings of mark fuhrman saying the "n" word. >> and in preparation of your testimony today can you tell the jury how many times you koupted that he used that word? >> approximately 42. >> 42 times? >> yes. >> how did you stomach listening to that over and over again? >> those comments that he used made me feel repulsed but also it lit a fire under me.

it's despicable, the fact he can think about that and talk like that makes me think it's happening and so i have to find a way to reflect that. >> so it just empowered you. >> it just pissed me off. >> and it made her a crucial player in the trial of the century. she could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. >> i would never do that. i would never have sold the tapes. >> is it true you were offered $250,000 for them? >> it is. >> why didn't you sell them? >> no one, talking about me, should be profiting from this tragedy people have to live with every day of their life. >> but mckinney was still thrust into the spotlight and that meant anxiety and fear. i remember you got a lot of death threats. they didn't understand why these tapes had to come about.

did you feel safe during all of that? >> no. i was extremely scared. >> in a matter of the people of state of california. >> the verdict didn't make her feel any safer. >> we find the defendant not guilty of the crime of murder. what was your reaction to the verdict when o.j. simpson was found not guilty? >> i didn't go out of the house for a while. >> really? >> yes. >> why? >> there was the reality that maybe the tapes had something to do with the jury's verdict and boss of that i would be persona nongraudau in many people's eyes. >> mark fuhrman certainly was exposed as a liar and forced to

go silent. >> detective fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? >> i assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> but his silence would not protect him. his voice on those tapes could not be erased. excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. >> you got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and walk away from blood and go to dinner. you have to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. you don't pack those qualities. if you do you're either so ugly or they're lesbians or so dike-ish that they're not women anymore. they're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. you know they're caught between

dimension hads. there's just no way to do it all. >> stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. mckinney's tapes would impact more than just the o.j. simpson trial. they would impugn the integrity of the l.a.p.d. when you heard those tape recordings for the first time, what did you think? >> it was a belly punch at the wrong time. and you go how could this have happened to us? how did we even let him stay on the job? >> an lapd assistant chief when a task force investigated everything fuhrman said on those tapes. why had he been allowed to behave the way he did for so long and not be held accountable? >> because the command staff

that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. so it was kind of shunted off to the side. boys will be boys and we needed to tell the organization if you even claim to be engaged in this kind of behavior, we'll investigate it and let chips fall where they may and secondly, if it was within statute, then we would take it to the district attorney and file on it it. >> in 1997 the task force released this report, keeping secret portions of the tapes. kpernt kperpts not played in court. this is the confidential version of that report. it contains more of the disturbing recordings. quote grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head. held her like this. threw the -- down the stairs.

and quote i'd pick up three or four gang members, bring them to the station. take one in the basement and just beat the dog shut out of him." >> hundreds of inert views were conducted and nearly a quarter of a million documents were reviewed. >> in the end the task force confirmed 12 of 29 events confirmed by fuhrman. but just about everything he told mckinney was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the actual events. with one exception. m.a.w. men against women. >> did you ever at any point feel i need to report what he's saying? this is dangerous? >> no. no, i didn't. i really believe that if i could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that i could help

inform people. >> fuhrman's words would inspire mckinney's writing for decades. >> hoe told you he personally felt trapped. >> he was trying to articulate the depth of his soul. there is something with his own identity that was connected to being a police officer and so much of it was being besmufrped by having to work with women that if he'd been in a different time in history, he would have been more appreciated, more openly respected by people. >> next fuhrman worries more about the movie than the murder. >> and whatever happened to mckinney's screen play?

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so a month and a half after the murders, fuhrman tells you this. >> mark fuhrman was still getting together with you and recording these tapes after the murders had happened. did you find that odd at all that he was okay being recorded talking about this? >> no. no, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. >> stunning to hear now, but not really surprising when looking back on a man known to be cocky. >> do you use the word nigger? >> who lied on the stand. >> no, sir. >> the court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no

contest. >> and pled no contest to perjury. but in his 1997 book, murder in brentwood, fuhrman apologized, writing, in my matter, i knew it was wrong, even if i said them only to create a fictional story. my first failure was the lure of greed, and the second was my lack of compassion. >> i'm not a racist. >> fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting diane sawyer, oprah, and larry king. >> i thought i knew better being a policeman how to make the most controversial, outrageous, violent controversially crammed police show that we could make. and i was wrong. i didn't know what i was doing. >> one thing fuhrman has said is, at times maybe i got a little carried away talking to laura. i don't know if you've heard that before, but what's your reaction to that? >> he said those things, so he believed them. but i don't think he got carried away. i really don't.

i think he was being truthful. >> today, no longer a screenplay consulta consultant, or a cop, fuhrman, who declined to be interviewed for this program, is an author. >> it's not profiling to look for a suspect -- >> and tv crime analyst. as for laura hart mckinney. >> it's been an emotional journey. we have to be willing to be vulnerable. >> she teaches screen writing at the university of north carolina school of the arts. and that screenplay she developed with mark fuhrman's help? it never became a movie. >> missouri scum who should not be allowed in our venerable policeman against policewoman -- >> it became a book. >> he violated all of our principles, and he glances at the note pad, kissing one female officer on duty in uniform and embarrassing us all. >> it's fiction, and the title,

the same as fuhrman's real-life secret society. men against women. >> was completing this book therapeutic for you after all these decades? >> yes. >> publishing the book was therapeutic, but disclosing the ta tapes, still painful. for more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. what has that been like for you? >> it hasn't been good, i will say. that -- that part hasn't been good. i felt that ashamed would be wrong, but i have felt bad that the revelation of the tapes could have actually had something to do with the verdict. >> orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of verdict

in violation of penal code -- >> could have actually helped to make a guilty man go free. >> is this your verdict, so say you one, so say you all? >> yes. >> but those tapes have also done exactly what mckinney started out to do. chief willy williams proposed sweeping changes in how his department handles sexual harassment. >> it doesn't happen under my watch, period. >> are you glad that laura recorded mark fuhrman? >> absolutely. it was horrible for us because it had a huge impact on the o.j. simpson trial, and it made us look absolutely horrible within our minority community. they said, look, we've been saying all along that you use the n-word, that you lie, and it took years after this to deal with it. >> we will be doing a

reorganization of the department, and it will serve the best interest of the duties of this department and the citizens of los angeles. >> are you glad laura recorded mark fuhrman? >> i'm very pleased. most things, hard lessons, are things that are thrust upon you when you don't ask for them and you have to react to them. and i think everybody's better for it. >> i think those tape spoke volumes. the revelation was priceless. >> decades later, are you glad you didn't destroy those tapes? >> yes. >> why? >> i have three sons. i would have a very hard time today sitting here thinking of my sons and telling them that i destroyed something that i was proud that i had done.

>> why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? did he ever say why? >> he wanted to be infamous, he said. >> that's what he said? >> he said that. >> but infamous is very different from famous. >> that's what he said. no, i want to be infamous. >> well, he became infamous. >> he did. good evening. tonight a new story just out in "the washington post" as russian ambassador sergey kislyak told his kremlin bosses that he did in fact talk about campaign matters with then senator jeff sessions. current and former u.s. officials telling "the washington post" they know from american intelligence intercepts. if true, it's also possible that the russian ambassador was boasting to his bosses. but if it wasn't a boast and the information bears out, it casts serious doubt on the credibility of jeff sessions, the highest law enforcement official