kirby there. it's really going to help the sailors on board. it will be interesting what the president has to say. >> he has ten tweets in the last hour. thanks for being with us this morning. >> don't go anywhere, "smerconish" starts right now. ♪ i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. we welcome in our viewers in the united states and around the world. what can i say it was a chaotic day for the white house, yes, words i could have used so often in the first six months of the trump administration. yesterday, i paid a visit to sean spicer in his white house digs for the off-the-record chat. it turned out to be his exit interview. my thoughts on spicer's departure are next. plus, mr. schwarzenegger went to washington.

the governator was talking gerrymandering and climate change. and we had a sitdown. also, no nfl team has yet signed colin kaepernick. ex qb michael vick gave him hair cut advice. first, i scored sean spicer's exit interview and didn't realize it at the time. i was in washington friday to interview schwarzenegger, and for an offer the record chat with spicer at 9:00 a.m. i left at:45. i didn't want to overstay my welcome because spicer told me he was meeting with the president at 10:00 a.m. by the time i was getting back to my hotel, word was breaking that he just quit as white house press secretary. no, i didn't know that the timing was imminent. "the new york times" called him the four pinocchio fres

secretar press secretary. i have no desire to violate our confidentiality from yesterday. the only thing i'll offer in retrospect, he did seem to take a strong interest in how i managed to juggle my many platforms, radio, print and public speaking. when i first arrived at 9:00 a.m. after clearing white house security, i made a joke of finally getting to see the space that i helped him obtain. and he laughed. knowing i was referring to his many appearances here in the campaign when he was the rnc's chief strategist. we seemed to have a rapport. even when the responses seemed animated and one when i challenged him about the russian hack got a little heated. >> "the new york times" wrote that the rnc had been hacked. that's false? >> how do you know it's false? >> because i went -- please don't make excuses for them.

they did -- >> i'm not making excuses for anybody. >> hold on, michael, i need to ask you an additional question. >> no -- >> speak to this. i want you to address this. i'm also concerned. >> come on, i am outraged i don't think any foreign entity, any entity -- >> well, why didn't you say that, why didn't trump say that. >> i'm saying it, michael! i just said it. >> that was december 10. and i knew that spicer was happy with the outcome because the rnc soon tweeted a transcript. and he texted me afterwards to make sure there were no hard feelings. there were not. later that same day, spicer attended the army-navy classic in baltimore with the president elect in the box. with arlen specter and he told me later that he watched as the he congratulated him for kicking my ass on tv that morning. and yesterday with spicer we

shared a laugh in his office during what i now realize was his final appointment as press secretary. my dealings with sean weren't always confrontational. >> you know, usually, i have to pester sean spicer, the rnc chief strategist and communications director to come on the program. this week, he reached out to me. >> hey, michael, i never pestered you. >> you clearly have the credentials to be the white house press secretary. do you think you have the temperament? because i don't think i would. >> i'll tell mr. trump you're not interested. >> that's an answer that a press secretary would give. that's a good answer. that's good, you're qualified, you're in. i'm not the only one who enjoyed sean spicer. >> i'm not here to beat nobody. i'm here to swallow gum and i'm here to take names. >> with each passing of melissa

mccarthy's portrayal of spicer. his daily briefings became daily sport for some as evidenced by the huge ratings. i get all of that. and we'll have to wait for his memoir to know what if felt like to be told by his boss to go out on day one and make a futile argument about inaugural crowd sizes. but in my dealings with him he was always a gentleman. he never did come back to my program as press saecretary, a casualty, i'm sure as our respective employers. and i knew it was time to leave when sarah huckabee sanders popped her head in the door. my final comment to him on the way out referenced the next eight years. and he laughed. he had to have known. now, as spicer exits, a new lawyer has arrived. president trump is shaking up his legal team with attorney john dowd taking the lead on the

investigation. personal lawyer marc kasowitz taking a diminished role. and when the dust settles how will they strategize against the expanding russian investigation? joining me now two a-listers greg craig who served as white house counsel to barack obama. and jeffrey rosen, a professor of law at the george washington university. greg, i'll begin with you, "the washington post" broke this news that jeff sessions discussed campaign-related matters with the russian ambassador. but the president has said that the russian investigation is a witch hunt. is he boxed in from getting rid of sessions, because if he were to do so, that would be an admission that this is not a hoax? >> i don't know whether he's boxed in or not, michael. i do know that it puts the

attorney general smack dab in the middle of the investigation. and i have no doubt that the director robert mueller will be willing to interview him about his conversations with kislyak. i have no doubt that mr. mueller has access to the transcripts of the telephone communications between kislyak and sessions. and also probably has access to the information that kislyak sent to moscow. so he will probably be interviewing and want to talk to the attorney general. and well advised through the attorney general to recuse himself. >> and greg craig, i should point out maybe this is bogus, maybe this is compromise by kislyak, maybe he invented it? >> you're absolutely right. there's no basis for having any reason to give that greater credibility than what the attorney general says. but putting that aside for a second as a measure of credibility, it puts the attorney general right in the middle of investigation as a

relevant witness as to whether or not there was collusion or cooperation during the between with the russians during the election. >> jeffrey rosen, what happens if sessions leaves? either he resigns or he's fired. a new a.g. comes in and seeks to fire mueller, could he do so? >> yes, he has the constitutional legal authority to do so. the special prosecutor statute says that the prosecutor has to be fired by the attorney general. but the question is would he do it? or would he be like elliott richardson, nixon's attorney general, who retined rather than firing the special prosecutor. and then it was totals all the way down until robert bork finally carried out the act. and another news, would that be an impeachable offense basically

that the president ordered the attorney general to fire the special council. >> that seems to be reported with a negative connotation, is that not good lawyering wouldn't they be derelict in their duty, if not at least exploring that subject matter? >> i'm about to say something that's very unlawyerly because it doesn't rely on any legal experience or knowledge. but let me just say, any conversation about pardons is not good for a white house to have. it's not a good thing for people in the white house or the president or anybody else associated with the president's legal team to be talking about the exercise of the power of the pardon. it is an unlimited -- it is pretty much an unlimited power that the president has. it's open as to whether or not he can pardon himself. but the question that professor rosen rightly refers to when he talks about impeachment is not

whether there's a technical violation of the law or abuse of power. it's whether the president is seen as abusing the powers that he has. and certainly, if he exercised the pardon power in an abusive way or for a corrupt motive for improper reasons that is the basis for impeachable offense. >> the president has already been very active via twitter today. one of the tweets was related to the pardon discussion. there it is. while all agree the u.s. president has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is leaks against us. fake news. jeffrey rosen, let's go back to where greg craig was a moment ago. does the president have the power to pardon himself? >> this is an open constitutional question of the highest moment. and people disagree. some say that the president does not have the power to pardon himself. that was what the office of legal counsel advised when president nixon was

contemplating it. on the other hand, during the clinton impeachment representative bob goodlatte assumed that the president could pardon himself. the idea no person should be the judge of his own case. and neither the kingdom or a anyone tried that. the pardon power stands except for cases of impeachment. basically it would be tested after the president left office. that when he would be criminally prosecuted. he would have issued a prospective that said don't prosecute me and then it would go up to the sitting court as to whether a sitting president could pardon himself. >> a very quick answer for time constraints, are we headed for a constitutional crisis? greg craig, you and then jeffrey rosen.

>> all the clouds of a perfect storm are gathering. you've got a civil case. congressional investigations and criminal investigations. the clouds to the storm are certainly there on the horizon. >> jeffrey. >> a constitutional crisis is when ordinary and legal authorities don't provide the answers and there's violence on the streets of protest. and the supreme court can't decide it. and if the president were to pardon himself that could possibly lead to a constitutional crisis. >> gentlemen, thank you for being here. what are your thoughts? tweet me. i'll read some of during the course of this program. you can also visit me on my facebook page. kathryn what do you got? put something up there for me. the day after scaramucci is appointed and spicer resigns trump is full tweet storm mode. is this going to be the new normal? @smerconish. >> christine, what i'm thinking,

he's saying it's the sales that's gone wrong here. and not the product. i know many of you will disagree with that assessment. yours truly including. give me another one. smerconish why do you defend spicer? he's an adult. he made choices, he's accountable like all of us. steve, i recognize that and i think he had the toughest job in washington and i'm including that with the commander in chief. i have felt for him on many occasions during these first six months. one more if we have time for it. have you considered that he may have been tired because he was doing an interview with you? nick nasti, that is a nasty thought. up ahead, i talk to the governator, arnold schwarzenegger, with efforts to combat partisan gerrymandering.

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image and cut his hair. >> first thing we've got to do is get colin to cut his hair. i mean, i'm not up here to be politically correct, even if he puts cornrows in, i don't think he should represent himself, just hair style, go cleancut. why not? you're dealing with controversy over this issue. >>fascinating thing to hear you say, mike. >> he just needs to be presentable. look, all of the social media stuff that he's doing, we get it, we understand it. it's time for colin to step up in a different way. >> so, hearings the haircut that he's referring to. there's the pic. kaepernick fired back with the reference to stockholm syndrome to imply that michael view had taken on the views of his employers but is this all a code of discussion of race in sports. joining me one of the deans of broadcasting. how about 12 olympics.

seven super bowls, seven world series, ten nba finals and 28 emmys. thank you, bob costas for being here. >> i'm worn out, i hope i can make it through the next few minutes. >> so is he being blackballed? i'm laughing, but it's a serious question. >> i don't think there's any question he's being blackballed. do i think there's an edict? no. do i think all of the league owners got together? no. we talk about training camp, there's more than 100 quarterbacks in training camp as teams practice and play exhibition games. the idea that colin kaepernick while he's not tom brady or aaron rodgers or cam newton or russell wilson at this point in his career. but the idea that colin kaepernick can't play for some team and that he isn't among the 50 or 60 quarterbacks who could

play in the nfl is ridiculous. >> are you saying they're more concerned, the nfl owners about winning? >> i think they are concerned about the blowback. but there is some cover for this in that kaepernick championship came into prominence, i don't want to get too inside football but running the pistol offense or zone offense that depends upon the versatility of a quarterback to run and throw. and there are some that thought that nfl defenses have quickly adjusted to that. and kaepernick's team went 28-14 a years ago. he threw for four interceptions, had a decent quarterback rating. some say, look, we dent run a system that aligns with the capabilities of colin kaepernick. that's legitimate. but again, 32 teams -- backups -- come on. >> hey, bob is this a coach or

owner call? and you know i'm a political animal. talk to me about the politics that run through the offices of each in the nfl. >> i think this is primarily an owner call. now, as i said without being repetitive, there may be some teams that very legitimately say colin kaepernick has a lot of ability. he doesn't fit in our system. but that doesn't account for all 32 teams. mike florio on pro football talk on nbc sports, connected to the league, knows everything that's going on. i spoke to him a couple days ago. he said that the usual sort of gathering of intel that you would gather of anybody playing in the nfl. a sixth-round draft choice or linebacker, teams are looking for inquiries, a former coach, personnel director. there's almost no buzz around the league about colin kaepernick which indicates to me that coaches and front office people are under the impression that it's useless to pursue it because the owners won't sign him. >> if we were having this conversation in the context of

the nba, would it have the same outcome? >> i don't think it would, although it's interesting that the nba had in place, a longstanding rule, whereas the national football league had none about national anthem policy. you remember 20 years ago, mahmoud abdul raulof refused to stand in the anthem. they reached a compromise that he would stand in a prayerful position. he held his hands like this. the nfl had no policy, all they had said, while we encourage players to stand respectively for the national abonthem, theye free to do whatever they want to do. >> has kaepernick earned the standing of the likes of ali, tommy smith and giancarlo?

>> i will say this, others who followed his lead, brandon marshall, the linebacker with the broncos or the safety with the philadelphia eagles, virtually noll repercussions. it's kaepernick who owns this, he was on the coverage of "time" magazine. it's kaepernick that the whole controversy seems to center around. he was not the only one. and when you consider the fact that domestic abusers, people guilty of various forms of misbehaviors find a place on inform envelope rosters. pacman jones was just suspended again for a single game for a run-in with the police several months ago. this guy's got a rap sheet say mile long and collects millions of dollars. you got to believe that colin kaepernick, regarding of whether you agree or disagree with him politically deserves a chance to ply his trade. >> i think you make a convincing article. i thought michael vick got

criticized for things he said. by the way, he with drew some of that thought process. >> yeah, he did, he walked it back. >> i thought he was giving agent-type advice, he was saying if you want to get back in, this is how you deputy play it? >> yeah, i think it was well intended but michael has since walked back. there are a variety of hair styles in sports worn by people of all different backgrounds. so i think that's a minor issue when it comes to colin kaepernick. >> hey, bob costas, you're kind enough to stick around for which we will discuss that other crime that o.j. simpson that was finally acquitted. because remember, you were there on the nba final. and smerconish, vick's

comments were ignorant. sports players have a long history of rockin' avenue froze. elizabeth, as i just said to bob costas, i think it was michael vick not so much saying stockholm syndrome, like michael vick care what is kaepernick's haircut looks like. i think he was simply saying if you want to get back in the nfl. you got to be smart about this. give me another one. kap hair has nothing to do with it. it's what he stood for. unknown x, i think costas laid it out. he gave me an answer, i said, bob, is he being blackballed? he said, i think he is. one more. smerconish, kaepernick is a mediocre backup qb wanting $20 million a year. that's keeping him from getting a job. not his hair or protests. angry moderate, i love that.

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polarization, a ply he now addresses at the global state and institute policy. yesterday, we sat down on capitol hill where california's efforts were being recognized. governor, a lot of trends begin in california, whether it's decriminalization of marijuana, the hoola hoop, van halen. is combatting gerrymandering going to be one of those trends that leaps from california to the rest of the runcountry? >> well, that's the idea. i hope so. i think the legislators are much more in a spirit now to work together and get things done. and we want democrats -- want democrats and republicans, ideology and all of this stuff, but be able to work together. in so many cases they did work together and so many cases they didn't work together because we always hear, if i vote for this, i'm going to go back to my

district and i'm going to get voted out. and i'm going to get beaten up. i'm never going to be able to raise any money. it's a disaster. couldn't do it. even though it's a great idea. what bothers me, someone says it's a great idea but i can't vote for it because of the way the district lines are drawn. that has to stop. >> how do you make it sexy, how do you make it appealing? you've been very effective on your facebook page with some videos. >> well, you know, the thing is all about communication. there's certain subjects that are very, very difficult to communicate to the mass. because people don't have much time to listen to a 30-minute video or to read about something because there's just so much issues out there. so you got to be able to find a way about communicating very quickly. and just say, look, what we did in california is basically told them, is look, the politicians are picking the voters. it's supposed to be the other way around, the voters pick the politicians.

so they turned the whole thing upside down -- let's stop it. people got it. paying attention more and more. remember, i said, we lost four times this initiative. and the fifth five, itime, it w. so, i think the rest of the country will be an uphill battle. but it's totally doable. i think we can go state to state. there's 37 states that have initiative process that can go directly to the people with a proposition. just in california. and i think we can use that means to get to the people, the legislature or someone to cooperate that want to create the reforms. and the rest can do it through the courts. i mean, there's a case now that will go all the way to the supreme court that deals exactly with that wisconsin case, that this deals with redistricting reform. >> you know in that wisconsin case, i'm glad you brought it up, governor. the issue is whether partisan gerrymandering should be regarded the same as racial or ethnic gerrymandering.

do you see them all in similar light? >> absolutely. i think we should, first ever all, pay attention to that. you know, is anyone fair. but it's also a matter of making it competitive for, you know, the politicians. because the way it is right now, as i said earlier out there in my speech, you have congress that has a low approval rating. but 90% of them get reelected. >> right. >> because it's fixed -- the system is fixed, that no one can challenge them in their district. they don't even have to pay any money for their re-election. nothing. so, when there's no competition, it takes away performance. so, competition creates performance and that's what we need in politics. because the private sector in america is doing so well. so, if we have a public sector that matches the private sector, i mean, this country can go through the roof again. >> you are not an ideologue.

and i think that's one of the reasons why you're able to get so many things done in california. president trump, he's not an ideologue either, and yet he's having difficulty getting things done. what management advice would you give him? >> i'm not going to give him any advice other than bring people together. democrats and republicans. let's not leave out half of the people, half of the intellectual power, the smartness, the experience, just because they are democrats. we got to have democrats and republicans come together and solve the problems of this nation. and i think he has enough votes on some of the issues that the republicans can do for themselves. but i just think that if everyone in is the game and everyone is participating you get much more creativity, much more action and something that will stick for a long time. because, remember, all of the executive orders that obama did, they're gone. all of the executive orders that trump did, they're going to be

gone when the next president comes in. so, we need to pass legislation. we need to have senate and house come together and pass those things so he can sign it. >> people that i meeting just in my day-to-day existence, they don't see the world through left wing or right wing glasses. they're independent thinkers. they're conservative on some things, usually fiscal. and liberal on a whole host of other things, social, mostly. but you don't see representative, except their governor schwarzenegger who seem to reflect those kinds of views? >> well, there's a lot of legislators, a lot of lawmakers that are willing to work together. i think that it's just an enormous amounts of others that have stuck in their ideological corners. and i think in the end, politicians have to do -- democrats and republican, they have to go and say to themselves, i'm a public servant. i'm not a party servant. and stop serving the party. and it can be staying with the

ideology, but you have to be able to go and cross the aisle and work together with other people in order to get some things done for this country. because the way it has been, for the last eight year, everyone is stuck. and nothing is getting done. i mean, we cannot continue this way. it doesn't matter if it's a democratic president or republic president. this is not just trump. i mean, obama had a very difficult time getting anything done. so, i mean, it has to stop. that's why redistricting reform is so important. >> you want to join arnold's army, the website is make washington work for us.com. make washington work for us.com. relates see what you're tweeting me @smerconish and putting on my facebook page. smerconish gerrymandering is the republicans last stance to scandalously get the votes.

sheila, both parties have done it. it's just gotten much more sophisticated because of big data. coming up in 1994, bob costas was on the air doing the nba finals. when suddenly, he was taken away for a different sports story. the o.j. simpson case. >> rockets have reached halftime, but talking basketball, let's return to tom brokaw, and here's tom in our manhattan studios. tom. >> bob, we are witnessing a modern tragedy and drama of shakespearean proportion being drawn out on live television. ♪ expedia gives you the world in your hand,

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in my lifetime, i will make sure. o.j. simpson won his fight for parole this week after serving nine years in prison for armed robbery charges. i ask bob costas to stick around because he had an unique role in that other simpson case. the day of the famous bronco case on the l.a. freeways, costas was broadcasting game five of the nba finals between the new york knicks and the houston rockets. as detailed in the espn documentary "june 17th, 1994." it was just one of five major sport events the same day as the ex-nfl's riveting ride pip including arnold palmer playing his final round ever at the u.s. open. bob costas rejoins me to discuss the latest twist in the simpson

saga. and what it was like to cut into an nba final for news that he doesn't normally cover. bob, take me in the booth of the nba game and tell what you remember. >> marv albert was calling the game for the nba courtside. and i had a perch at the me mezzanine level. and this is was before any cell phones or whatever. and members. press were going on concourses to where televisions may have been available to follow the chase. others were looking over my shoulder at the monitor which at time has the game. and at times a split of the chase, and others a split screen. i would go back from marv, to tom, and then i'd have to hand it off. but this wasn't the usual transition of figure skating to skiing. this was an unusual situation to

say the least. >> we have a clip from the documentary. let's roll it. >> um, kelly, kelly, you're not going to do like an effect or anything, right? >> yeah, okay. >> so, when we come up, we'll be in double boxes, right? >> that's, cool, thank you. are you going to come to a single to start? all right. this is bob costas back at madison square garden the knicks and rockets have reached halftime -- >> hey, bob as always you are cool understand fire. what was running your your mind as you're juggling those responsibilities on that night? >> well, i knew that the o.j. story would transcend the basketball game. on the other hand, it was the nba finals and for those fans of both of those teams that was of paramount. and i knew going forward the o.j. story would be the bigger

story. i had worked with o.j. on nfl coverage. he and i had dinner at times. i knew he was somewhat of a rogue. i was not aware of all that became -- apart from the letters themselves, all that became known about his background prior to that. he may have led some double life. most of us generally liked him. he was good company. he was an affable person. the kind of person who would remember the name of the kid who would bring you the newspapers and coffee on the set. but by the bronco chase took place on friday you're already beginning to think if you have common sense at all, an innocent man doesn't run. an innocent man doesn't do what he did. some the trial played out, anyone that lives on this planet has a pretty good idea of what actually happened. >> am i right you didn't know it that night, but came to know, he was trying to reach you from the white ford bronco? >> yeah, apparently, he called my home in st. louis and no one

answered and then he called the studio line because he had that number because the same studio which we did the nba and halftime for the nfl, so, he had the number. he called. and a tech picks up the phone. he said is bob costas here. i have to speak to him right away. i have to speak to him right away. who's calling? o.j. simpson. yeah, right. and the guy hangs up the phone. that was on friday. a few days later i'm in houston awaiting games six and seven. and a woman from "time" magazine called did you hear from o.j. simpson during the bronco chase. we hear that he called you. i say truthfully, no that never happened. and the first time since the murders, o.j. asked me to come by the county jail. a.j. cowlings who was driving

the bronco that night, as we talked with o.j., almost casually said, you know, we tried to call you from the back of the bronco. had he reached me, anyone's first impulse was to ask whether he wanted to go on the air. if he'd gone on the air from the back of the bronco, that would be a i guess a memorable television moment but it never came together. >> what is it he wanted to say to you? what is it that he wanted you to do, do you know? >> yeah, his notion was apart from the murders himself he as a person was being misrepresented. that the media was not being fair to him. where have we heard that before? in any case, the media was not being fair to him. and that someone that knew him might be able to project another side as a character witness. in that moment, heading down the 405 in that bronco, i don't know

anyone would have taken that stance. the fact that he was a nice guy to go to dinner will i don't think was relevant at that point. but his thought process was not that of a normal person in that moment. >> can you come back next saturday and the saturday after that and the saturday after that? >> i don't know that i'll be able to come back every saturday. we didn't address the colin kaepernick thing. maybe we can talk about that the next time. >> i love it, bob costas, what a privilege. thank you so much. >> thank you, michael. still to come -- your best and worst tweets and facebook comments hit me, kathryn. smerconish, michael, do you think trump will have a cabinet post for o.j.? what am i going to say to that other than no. back in a moment with more. our customers love us. (nail gun firing) (glass egg shattering) when the unexpected strikes... don't worry we've got you covered.

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