to interview arnold schwarzenegger and off the record chat with spicer. i didn't want to overstay my welcome because spicer told me he was meeting with the president at 10:00 a.m. by the time i returned to my hotel and turned on television, word was breaking he just quit as white house press secretary. no, i didn't know his departure was imminent. the timing took me by surprise as well but not necessarily the outcome. the "new york times" fair editorial called him the poor pinocchio press secretary, i think he had the hardest job in washington, given this administration. i have no desire to violate the confidentiality from yesterday, in retrospect he did take a strong interest in how i managed to juggle my many platforms radio, television and print and public speaking. when i first arrived in his office at 9:00 a.m. after clearing white house security i made a joke about finally getting to see the space that i

helped him obtain and he laughed, knowing i was referring to his many appearances here with me during the campaign when he was the rnc chief spokesman and strategy. we seem to have a good rap pore, even when the exchanges were animated and the challenged the partisan response to the russian hack got a little heated. >> but the new york times wrote the rnc had been hacked -- >> how do you know it's false? >> because i work -- we work with intelligence agencies, don't make excuses for them. they did when they came -- >> i'm not making excuses for anybody. >> michael -- >> i need ask an additional question. >> hold on. michael -- >> i'm also concerned. >> i'm outraged. i don't think any foreign entity or individual or entity -- >> why don't you say that? why didn't trump say it. >> i'm saying it michael, i just said it. >> that was december 10 and i knew that spicer was happy with the outcome because the rnc soon

tweeted a transcript. and he texted me afterwards to make sure there were no hard feelings, there were not. later that same day he attended army/navy classic with the president-elect with former chief of staff for arlen specter, the man who engineered the upset in pennsylvania. he told me later he watched as the president-elect congratulated spicer for kicking my ass on tv that morning. yesterday i reminded spicer of this as well and shared a laugh in the white house office during what i now realize was his final appointment as press secretary. i don't want to give the wrong idea. my dealings were sean weren't always confrontational. usually i have to pester sean spicer, the rnc communications director to come on the program. this week he reached out for me. >> hey, michael, never pestered you. >> you clearly have the credentials to be the white house press secretary. do you think you have the

temperament? i ask that because i don't think i would. >> i'll tell mr. trump you're not interested -- >> that's an answer that a press secretary would give. that's a good answer. you're qualified. you're in. >> i of course not the only one who enjoyed sean spicer -- >> i'm not here to be your buddy. i'm here to swallow gum and take names. >> with each passing melissa mccarthy impersonation, many who despise trump also came to dislike spicer as the face associated with the administration. daily briefing became daily sport for some as evidenced by the huge ratings. we'll have to wait for his mem wa to know what it felt like to go out on day one and make a futile argument about inaugural crowd sizes. he was always a gentleman and never did come back to my

program as press secretary. a casualty i'm sure of the state of affairs between our respective employers but did tell me yesterday this program was being watched every saturday in the spicer family kitchen, which i appreciate. i knew it was time to leave when sarah huckabee sanders popped her head in the door. my final comment referenced the next eight years and he laughed. he had to have known. now, as spicer exits a new lawyer has arrived, trump is shaking up his legal team, with john dowd taking a lead and kasowitz taking a diminished role. how will they strategize against the expanding russia investigation? joining me now, craig who led the impeachment against president bill clinton and served on white house counsel for barack obama and nationalal

constitution center, professioner of law at the george washington university. greg, the "washington post" broke this news that jeff sessions discussed campaign related matters with the russia ambassador but the president has said it is a witch hunt. is he boxed in from getting rid of sessions because if he were to do so, that would be an admission that this is not a hoax? >> i don't know whether he's boxed in or not, michael. i do know it puts the attorney general smack dab in the middle of the investigation and i have no doubt that the director robert mueller will be wanting to interview him about his conversations with kislyak. i have no doubt mr. moore has access to the transcripts of the telephone communications between kislyak and sessions and also probably has access to the information that kislyak sent to moscow. so he will probably be

interviewing and want to talk to the attorney general and it was well advised for the attorney general to recuse himself. >> and greg craig, i should point out maybe this is bogus, maybe it's just -- by kislyak, maybe he invented it? >> you're absolutely right. there's no basis for having any reason to give that great of credibility than what the attorney general says. putting that aside as a measure of credibility, it puts the attorney general in the middle of the investigation as a relevant witness as to whether or not there were communications and collusion or cooperation between the campaign and the russians during the presidential election. >> jeffrey rosen, what happens if sessions leaves? either he resigns or he's fired, a new ag comes in, one who has not recused himself from the mueller probe and seeks to fire mueller. could he do so? >> yes, he has the constitutional legal authority to do so.

the special prosecutor statute says the prosecutor has to be fired by the attorney general but the question is would he do it or be like elliott richardson, nixon's attorney general who resigned rather than firing the special prosecutor and then it was turtles all the way down until robert bourque carried out the act. if the new attorney general did fire mueller, would that be an impeachable offense, basically would the congress conclude that the president had ordered the attorney general to fire the special prosecutor with the corrupt motive of obstructing justice which is an impeachable offense and that would be up to congress to decide. >> greg craig, there was talk according to published reports of pardon powers within the white house. that seems to have been reported with a negative con notation, is that not good lawyering. wouldn't they be derelict in their duty if at least not exploring the subject matter. >> i'm about to say something that is very unlawyerly, but let

me say any conversation about pardons is not good for a white house to have. it's a good thing for people in the white house or president or anybody else associated with the president's legal team to be talking about the exercise, the power of the pardon. it is an unlimited exercise -- it is pretty much an unlimited power that the president has. it's open as to whether or not he can pardon himself. but the question that professor rosen rightly refers to when he talks about impeachment is not whether there's a technical violation of a law or an abuse of power it's whether the president is seen as abusing powers that he has. and certainly if he exercised the pardon power in an abusive way or for a corrupt motive for improper reasons, that is a basis for impeachable offense. >> the president has already been very active via twitter today. one of the tweets was related to the pardon discussion.

there it is. while all agree the u.s. president has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is leaks against us, fake news. jeffrey rosen, let's go back to where greg craig was. does the president have the power to pardon himself? >> this is an open constitutional question of the highest moment and people disagree. some say that the president does not have the power to pardon himself. that is what the office of legal counsel advised when president nixon was contemplating it. on the other hand during the clinton impeachment, representative bob goodlatte assumed he could pardon himself. the argument he doesn't have the power is that no person should be a judge in their own case and no u.s. president has ever attempted to pashd himself. if the president tried it for the first time, it could not extend to cases of impeachment. so the president couldn't stop congress from impeaching him for

pardoning himself. basically it would be tested after the president left office, that's when he could be criminally prosecuted and said don't prosecute me, a future prosecutor would prosecute him and go up to the supreme court to resolve the question of whether a sitting president can pardon himself for perspective crimes. >> an unfair question that demands a quick answer for time constraints, are we headed for a constitutional crisis? greg craig, you then jeffrey rosen. >> the clouds of a perfect storm are gathering. you've got civil cases. you've got a criminal investigation. you've got congressional investigations and so the clouds of a perfect storm that could lead to an impeachment are there on the horizon. >> jeffrey? >> a constitutional crisis is when ordinary legal authorities don't provide the answer and there's violence in the streets or protest but supreme court can't decide it. if he were to pardon himself, it could lead to a constitutional

crisis. >> thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate your time and attention. what are your thoughts? tweet me at smerconish. you can visit me on the facebook page. what do you got? put something up there for me. the day after scare scar much chi is appointed, twrump is ful tweet storm mode. >> i think the change of command within the communications operation, he's saying it's the sales that's gone wrong here and not the product. i know many of you will disagree with that assessment. yours truly included. give me another one, if you can. smerconish, why do you defend spicer he's an adult and accountable like all of us. steve, i recognize that. i just think he had the toughest job in washington and i'm including the commander in chief and on a personal level, i think he's always been a very decent

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i mean, look all of the social media stuff he's doing, we get it. we understand it. it's time for colin to step up in a different way. >> so here's the haircut he's referring to. there's the pic. kaepernick fired back with a reference to stock holme syndrome saying michael vick had taken on views of his employers. is this all a discussion about race in sports? joining me now, one of the deenz of american sports broadcasting, 12 olympics, 7 world series, 10 nba finals and 28 emmys. thanks so much bob costas. >> i'm worn out, hope i can make it through the next few minutes. >> is he being black balled? i'm laughing but it's a serious subject. >> i don't think there's any question. do i think there's been an from the home office? no. do i think they decided collectively this would be their approach? no. it's obvious that there are at

least 64 and in some cases might carry three quarterbacks and talk about training camp, more than 100 quarterbacks in training camp as teams practice and play exhibition games. the idea that colin kaepernick while he's not tom brady and not aaron rodgers or cam newton, the fact he can't play for some team but among the 50 or 60 best quarterbacks could play in the nfl is ridiculous. >> are you saying they are more concerned about putting fannies in seats than they are winning? >> they are more concerned i would think with the pr blow back and fan reaction. there is some cover for some of these owners and in some cases it's legitimate in that colin capper n ekaepernick running th offense that depends upon the versatility of a quarterback,

the ability to run or throw. there's some thought that nfl defenses have quickly adjusteded to that and kaepernick's team went 2-14 a year ab which may obscure the fact while he wasn't great, he wasn't terrible individually. only four interceptions, had a dee decent quarterback rating. we don't run a system that aligns with the abilities of colin kaepernick, that's legitimate. but 32 teams, backups, come on. >> bob, is this a coach or owner call and you know i'm a political animal. talk to me about the politics that run through the offices of each in the nfl? >> i think this is primarily an owner call. there may be some teams that say colin kaepernick has a lot of ability doesn't fit in our system. that doesn't act for all 32 teams. mike florio who is connected to

the lead, i spoke with him a couple of days ago and he said that the usual sort of gathering of intel you find about almost anybody can play in the nfl, sixth round draft choice, teams are always looking for intel and making inquires to personnel directors, almost no buzz around the league about colin kaepernick which indicates to me coaches and front office people are under the impression it's useless to pursue it because the owners won't sign him. >> if we were having this conversation in the context of the nba, would it have the same outcome? >> i don't think it would. although it's interesting that the nba had in place a longstanding rule whereas the nfl had none about national anthem policy. you recall about 20 years ago mahmoud ra ouf refused to stand for the national anthem and reached a compromise where he would stand in a prayerful

position and held his hands up like this. the other alternative was to remain in the locker room. the nfl did not anticipate this and have no policy and all they have said is that while we encourage players to stand respectfully for the national anthem, they are free to do whatever they choose to do. >> has he earned kaepernick, has he earned standing among the likes of ali, tommy smith and john carlos? >> i don't think so. but before answering that, let me say this, others who followed his lead, brandon marshall, the linebacker with the broncos on malcolm jenkins with your philadelphia eagles no repercussions, it's ckaepernick who owns this. he was on the cover of time magazine. the whole controversy seems to center around. he was not the only one. when you consider the fact that domestic abusers and people guilty of various forms of

misbehavior find a place on nfl rosters, pack man jones was suspended for some run-in with the police several months ago. this guy has a rap sheet a mile long and collects millions of dollars for the cincinnati bengals who at various times seem to run a halfway house. you have to believe colin kaepernick, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him politically, deserves a chance to ply his trade. >> you make a convincing argument. can i say i thought michael vick -- he got criticized for things he said. he withdrew some of that -- >> he walked it back. >> bob, i thought he was giving him agent like advice, he was not telling him what's right, he was simply saying you want to get back in, this is the way you have to play it. >> i think it was well intended but michael since walked it back. there are a variety of hair styles in sports worn by people of all different backgrounds. i think that's probably a minor issue when it comes to kol inl

kaepernick. >> bob costas, you're kind enough to stick around so we may later discuss that other famous crime for which o.j. simpson was acquitted because we all remember, you were anchoring an nba final that was famously interrupted by oj's bronco chase. i'm looking forward to that. >> okay. >> what are you thinking? keep tweeting me and hitting my facebook page which i'm told by katherine is blowing up over my sean spicer comments. vick's comments were ignorant. sports players have a long history of rocking afros. elizabeth, i think it was michael vick saying not so much stockholm syndrome, like he cares what his haircut looks like, if you want to get back to the nfl, you have to be smart about this. give me another one. kap hair has nothing to do with it. it's what he stood for and nfl owners don't want to be in the spot line.

unknown x. i think bob costas just laid it out. he has the credentials, gave me a no bs answer. is he being black balled? he said i think that he is. one more. smerconish, kaepernick is a mediocre quarterback wanting 20 mill a year. that's keeping him from getting a job not his hair or protests. angry moderate, i love your name. you might be right. it might be systemic, meaning as bob just laid out, it could be the new style of offense doesn't suit with his attributes. still ahead, i sat down on capitol hill yesterday with arnold schwarzenegger to find out why he was in town to lobby against jergerrymandering. >> we cannot continue this way. it doesn't matter if it's a democratic president or republican president, this is not just trump. obama at a very difficult time getting anything done. it has to stop. as easy as savi0

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♪ arnold schwarzenegger distinguished himself as governor of california for his initiatives in addressing ger gerrymanderi gerrymandering. he is passionate about polarization, a plight he now addresses at his usc institute for state and global policy. we sat down on capitol hill where california's efforts were being recognized. >> governor, a lot of trends begin in california, whether it's decriminalization of marijuana, the hula hoop, van hallen, is combatting gerrymandering going to be one of those trends that leaps from california to the rest of the country. >> that's the idea. i hope so.

i think it's very well in california. we've seen tremendous changes already. i think that the legislators are much more in a spirit now to work together and get things done. and we don't want to have democrats not be democrats. they should have the ideology and all of stuff but we want them to work together and in so many cases that did work together and so many cases they couldn't work together because we always hear this thing, if i vote for this, i'm going to do go back to my district and get voted out and beaten up and never going to raise any money for my campaigns, can't do it. even though it's a great idea. what bothered me was i think when someone said it's a great idea but i can't vote for it, because the way the district lines are drawn. that had to stop. >> how do you make it seemy and this appealing, sort of thing that people want to talk about? you've been effective on your facebook page with some videos. >> the thing is all about

communication. certain subjects that are very difficult to communicate to the mass. because people don't have much time to listen to a 30 minute video or to read a lot about something because there's so many issues out there. you've got to be able to find a way of communicating very quickly. just say, what we did in california, told voters, the politicians are picking the voters. but this is supposed to be the other way around, the voters pick the politicians and so they've turned the whole thing upside down, let's stop it. then they started paying attention more and more. like i said, remember, lost four times, this initiative and the fifth time it won. and so i think that the rest of the country will be an yap hill battle but it is totally doable. i think we can go state by state to 37 states that have initiative process where we can go directly to the people with a

proposition. and just in california and i think we can use that means to get to the people if the legislators don't want to cooperate or want to create reforms. and the rest to do through the courts. i mean, there's a case now that goes all the way to the supreme court that deals exactly with the wisconsin case that -- deals with redistricting reform. >> in the wisconsin case, i'm glad you brought it up, governor, the issue is whether partisan gerrymandering should be regarded the same as racial or ethnic gar gerrymandering. >> i think first of all we should pay attention to that. is everyone dealt with fairly and represented fairly? it's also a matter of making it competitive for you know, the politicians. because the way it is right now is as i said earlier, out there in my speech, you have congress that has a low approval rating but 90% of them get re-elected.

because it's fixed -- the system is fixed, that no one can challenge them in the district. they don't even have to pay money for the re-election, nothing. so when there's no competition, it takes away performance. so competition creates performance and that's what we need in politics because the private sector in america is doing so well. so if we have a public sector that matches the private sector, i mean, this country could go through the roof again. >> you are not an ideologue and i think that's one of the reasons why you're able to get so many things done in california. president trump is not an ideologue either but having difficulty getting things done. what management advice would you give him? >> i'm not going to give him any advice other than just bring people together and democrats and republicans and let's not leave out half of the people, half of the intellectual power, the smartness, the experience

just because they are democrats. we got to have democrats and republicans come together and soflt problems of this nation. and i think he has enough votes on some of the issues that the republicans can do it for themselves but i just think that if everyone is in the game and everyone is participating, you get much more creativity and much more action and something that will stick for a long time. remember, all of this executive orders, that obama did, they are gone. all of the executive orders that trump did, they are going to be gone when the next president comes in. you need to pass legislation and need to have senate and house come together and pass those things so he can sign it. >> the people i meet in my day to day existence, they don't see the word through left wing or right wing glasses, they are independent thinkers conservative on some things, usually fiscal and liberal on social things mostly.

you don't see representatives who seem to reflect those kind of views? >> there is a legislators, a lot of lawmakers that are willing to work together. i think that there's just an enormous amount of others that have stuck in the ideologalogic corners and with politicians have to do with democrats and republicans, they have to go and say to themselves, i'm a public servant. i'm not a party servant. stop serving the party. it can be staying with the ideology but you have to be able to go and cross the aisle and work together with other people in order to get things done for this country. because the wait has been for the last eight years where everyone is stuck and nothing is getting done. i mean, we cannot continue this way. it doesn't matter if there's a democratic president or republican president, this is not just trump, i mean, obama had a very difficult time getting anything done. i mean, it has to stop. that's why redistricting reform

is so important. >> you want to join arnold's army, the website is make washington work for us.com. make washington work for us.com. let's see what you're tweeting me and putting on my facebook page. smerconi smerconish, gerrymandering is the republicans last stance to scandalously get the votes otherwise they would lose. sheila the republicans were very effective, democrats were asleep at the switch in the aftermath of the 2000 election. but it's a tale as old as time and both parties have done it. it's gotten much more sophisticated because of big data. coming up in, 1994, bob costas was covering the nba finals when suddenly he was cutting away for a different kind of sports story, the bronco chase of o.j. simpson granted parole this week for his armed robbery conviction. >> and rockets have reached halftime but before we talk about basketball, let's return to tom brokaw for a report on

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o jx.j. simpson won his fig for parole this week. i asked bob costas to stick around because he had a unique role in that other simpson case, the day the famous bronco chase. costas was broadcasting game five between the new york knicks and houston rockets as detailed in the documentary june 17, 1994. it was just one of five major sporting events the same day as the ex-nfl star's riveting ride, including arnold palmer playing his final round ever at the u.s. open. bob costas joins me to discuss

the latest twist in the simpson saga and what it was like to cut into a nba final for the kind of news he didn't follow. tell me what you most remember? >> marv albert was calling the game and i had a perch in the mezzanine level. and a lot of people once they got wind whaf going on, including some members of the press, going on the concourses where television sets might be available to follow the bronco chase and others were crowding around me and looking over my shoulder at the monday ter which sometimes had the game and others times the bronco chase and strangely had a split screen of the two. i would take it back from marv and throw it to tom. he'd complete his report and observations then i'd have to hand it off. this wasn't the usual transition from figure skating to skiing that you do in sports casting, this was a rather unusual

situation to say the least. >> we have a clip from the documentary, let's roll it. >> kelly -- kelly, you're not going to do like an effect or anything, right? okay, so when we come up we'll be in double boxes, right? >> okay, it's cool. >> come to a single to start? all right. this is bob costas back at madison square garden, the knicks and rockets have -- >> as always, you're cool under fire. what was running through your mind as you're juggling those responsibilities on that night? >> well, i knew that the oj story would transcend the basketball game but on the other hand it was the nba finals and for fans of those teams that was something in the moment was paramount importance. you had to balance the two. i knew going forward the o.j. story would be the bigger story. i worked with o.j. for four or

five years on nfl coverage we played golf several times, had dinner a number of times. i knew he was something of a rogue. i was not aware of all it became -- apart from the murders themselves all that became known about his background prior to that. he may have led some sort of double life in that respect. but most of us generally liked him. he was good company, the kind of person that would remember the name of the kid that brings you coffee and newspapers in the morning on the set. but by the time the bronco chase took place on friday, you were already beginning to think if you have any common sense at all, an innocent man doesn't run. an innocent man doesn't do what he did. then as the trial played out, regardless of the verdict, anyone who lives on this planet has a good idea of what actually happened. >> am i right that you didn't know it that night but came to know he was trying to reach you from the white ford bronco? >> yeah, apparently, he called first my home in st. louis and no one answered and then he

called the studio line because he had that number because the same studio from which we did the nba games was the studio we covered the pre-game and halftime for nfl. he calls and a tech picks up the phone, is bob costas here? i have to speak to him right away. he's not here. >> who's calling? >> o.j simpson, yeah, right, click and guy hangs up the phone. now that was on friday. a few days later i'm in houston awaiting game seven, in between six and seven and woman from time magazine calls and asks me, did you hear from o.j. simpson during the bronco chase, we hear he called you? i say truflly at the time, that didn't happen and i think nothing more of it until the first and only time from the murders that i've seen o.j., asked me to come by the l.a. county jail and i did. robert kardashian took me to the

jail and as we talked with o.j., almost casually he said, we tried to call you from the back of the bronco. had he reached me, anyone's first impulse would have been to ask whether he wanted to go on air. if he had gone on air from the back of the bronco, then that would be i would guess a memorable television moment but it never came together. >> quick answer because i have time constraint, what is he he wanted to say to you? what is it he wanted you to do? >> his notion was apart from the murders themselves that he as a person was being misrepresented, that the media was not being fair to him. where have we heard that before? the media was not being fair to him and he thought that someone knew him and liked him might be able to present another side to act as some kind of character witness. in that moment with him heading down the 405 in the bronco, i don't know that anyone would have taken that stance.

that wasn't -- the fact he was a nice guy to play golf or go to dinner with, i don't think was relevant at that point but obviously his thought process was not that of a normal person in that moment. >> can you come back next saturday and the saturday after that and the saturday after that? >> i don't know if i can come back every saturday, but i'd be happy to come back again. we didn't really address the political part of the colin kaepernick think and i wasn't dodging it. we didn't have time in the segment. maybe we can talk about that the next time. >> i'd love it. bob costas, what a privilege, thank you so much. >> thank you, michael. >> still to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments. hit me, katherine. >> do you think trump will have a cabinet post for o.j.? what am i going to say to that, other than no. back in a moment with more. mail and packages. and it's also a story about people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget...

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directly affecting russia. now that contradicts sessions' description of their conversation. let's get straight to the panel with us. cnn investigative reporter of foreign international affairs, michael white. and kara. and said he didn't talk about the trump campaign with russia. how do you expect republican lawmakers to respond? could he hear calls for his rezlatire resignati resignation? >> i think you have people who are defensive of jeff sessions and known him serving in congress and of course, because of the story broke last night, probably hear trickles on sunday shows into next week as we talk to them more slowly. i think what you'll hear a lot of is defensive sessions and how do we know that russians tell the truth? we did something we address in the article also that sometimes russian