good morning everyone. welcome to your "new day." it is thursday july 27th, 8:00 in the east and we begin with breaking news. a growing rift inside the white house over leaks exposed in a series of late-night tweets and a delete. moments ago we spoke with the white house communications director anthony scaramucci to explain his tweets that seem to implicate white house chief of staff reince priebus as a leaker. it said, quote, in light of the leak of my financial disclosure info, which is a felony, i will be contacting the fbi and the justice department, #swamp@reince45. >> a lot of back and forth. tweet was deleted. all this speculation about whether or not this was so and this was setting up to being a morning complete with spin and pundits coming onto give their take. and who needs any more of that? so "new day" decided to go to the source to get some clarity on what really matters. we reached out to scaramucci to answer for the situation and he took the opportunity and called in. the conversation went to the

heart of what is definitely an aspect of palace intrigue, but then the larger issues about when leaks are used as a distraction. a lot came out. here's a taste. >> i was speaking to you last night, ryan, i said it was unpatriotic that you were telling me who the leakers were. i was on a plane landing in new york, toif go visit my mom. so may have caught it the wrong way. i was teasing you and it was sarcastic. it was a one italian to another. it wasn't me trying to get you to say if you could give me some sense for where they are because i have a responsibility to the president of the united states -- >> anthony -- >> -- when you said you didn't, i totally respect your journalism and your integrity. >> anthony, i don't know -- hold on, anthony, i want to make sure. i don't know if ryan could hear you. >> okay. >> but just in case, it did go out over the air so he heard what you meant when you were talking about being unpatriotic. let's reset at zero here. >> i want to reset at zero, but

i want you to know i spent about 15 minutes on the phone talking with the president of the united states who has given me his full support and full blessing. and i'm going to read you something, chris, and you bear with me. and the president also told me, if you're nice to me in this segment, he'll let me come back on the show. is that cool? so why don't you let me talk for a little bit and then you can ask me questions. but this is super, super important to the country. now, whether you agree with the president or disagree with the president, you have to love the institution of the presidency. you have to love the office and love our country. what is going on right now, i've done a major amount of work over the last five days. i've interviewed most of the assistants to the president. i've interviewed most of the people in the communications team and the white house. and what the president and i would like to tell everybody we have a very, very good idea who the leakers are, who the senior leakers are in the white house. we'll get to that in a second. what i also want to say is that we are working together, the president and myself and other members of his team and law

enforcement to undercut and undercover -- or out, if you will, the leakers in the entire country. as the president would say in his own words, the white house leakers are small potatoes. i'll talk to you about a few leaks that happened last night that i find reprehensible, but the white house leaks are small potatoes relative to things that are going on with leaking things about syria or north korea or leaking things about iraq. those are the types of leaks that are so treason, 150 years ago people would be put to death. chris, you're from new york, i'm from new york, the president is from new york, we had dinner last night, i sat next to the first lady, i love the president. i've said that. i know the press wants to ridicule me for saying it six times on the podium, but we started out as friends. i am not a politician. i'm an american businessman and

entrepreneur that have built two businesses. and i try to play it straight with people. the president is trying to play it straight with people, which is why he has 140 or 125 social media followers because they want to hear it straight from the president. and i said to the president this morning, i can't afford to be a sycophantee, sir, i have to talk to you as a friend so i can help you with this problem. so what i want to say to you is i understand the law. i know there was a public disclosure mechanism in my financial forms. what i'm upset about is the process and the junk pool, the dirty pool, chris, in terms of the way this stuff is being done and the leaking won't stop. i can't have a couple of friends up from fox & friends and sean hannity, who's one of my closest friends, to dinner with the president and his first lady without it being leaked in seven minutes. it's absolutely, completely and

totally reprehensible. and as you know from the italian expression, the fish stinks from the head down. but i can tell you two fish that don't stink, and that's me and the president. i don't like the activity that's going on in the white house. i don't like what they're doing to my friend. i don't like what they're doing to the president of the united states or their fellow colleagues in the west wing. now, if you want to talk about the staff, we have had odds, we have had differences. when i said we are brothers from the podium that's because we're rough -- some brothers are like cane and abel, other brothers can fight with each other and get along. the president is the chief of staff. he's responsible for understanding and uncovering and helping me do that inside the white house chrks , which is wh that tweet out last night. when the journalist who is actually know who the leakers are, like ryan lizza, they know

the leakers, they know, i respect them for not telling me because i understand and respect journalistic integrity, however, when i put out a tweet and i put reince's name if the tweet, they're all making the assumption that it's him because journalists know who the leakers are. so if reince wants to explain that he's not a leaker, let him do that. but let me tell you something about myself, i am a straight shooter. i'll go right to the heart of the matter. so i'm done talking. you can ask me questions. but be nice on the segment, chris, because this is a very serious matter of interest to all of america. >> anthony, look, i know when you say be nice, you're in part joking, so you know the job is to be fair. so let's be fair in this situation -- >> i'm saying, again, the ryan lizza unpatriotic it's that nuance. >> absolutely. ryan heard it. he accepts it -- >> the truth i'm used to all different types of questions. i'm used to meanness.

it doesn't matter to me. i'm here to play it straight for the american people and to protect my friend who's the president of the united states. >> understood. and alisyn and i have felt the bite of personal comments from power as well. but we still do the job and we do it the right way because that's what matters more. so let's do that right now instead of talking about doing it. >> go ahead. >> these tweets seem to indicate a problem that didn't start today. i'm not talking about the leaking. it is well known, anthony scaramucci, that reince priebus was against you getting a job in the administration. you've talked about it privately with reporters, he has denied it, but there are tons of reports that that denial is hollow. and when you named him in the tweet, it seems to call that. where is your head on that situation? what do you believe the reality to be? because it seems much more like cane and able rather than two

brothers that can get along. >> here's what i know. when you're running a successful company or an organization, you can take this human equation to the bank. underconfidence plus insecurity always equals paranoia and back stabbing. so what you have to do as a manager is you have to go through the process and the system and figure out where the back stabbing is coming from. that will lead you to the people who are insecure or under confident. if you can't bolster them and make them better, then you have to remove them from the process because it backs addition by subtraction. that's what i know. >> understood. >> so i don't want to talk about anybody specifically because we're on a live television wire, but the people know, the journalists know. you know the young kids on the comms team are taking a lot of heat from me right now. they know, chris. the people know. you know who knows? the president of the united states. >> this continues to be the most

extraordinary reporting experience i have ever been a part of. >> that says a lot, because you've had some extraordinary reporting experiences in your career. >> i have never experienced anything like this. by the way, that's not a criticism. it's unusual on a number of levels. and the access that we've had this morning into what's going on i've never seen before in something that wasn't an investigation that didn't happen after the fact. this is happening right now. >> i think it's an extraordinary viewing experience as well for our viewers, so let's talk about all of it with our panel. we have cnn political director david challan, david drucker, julia pace. david, you watched it unfold along with us in realtime. what do you make of what anthony scaramucci is focused on and talking about? >> well, there were so many things there to unpack. i do think at its core when you heard anthony scaramucci tell you, chris, that he believes

there are people in senior positions in the west wing who see it as their duty to save america from trump, what that is -- he said what they should really be doing is injecting trump into america. what that's saying is he thinks there's a ramping disloyalty among the most senior people inside the west wing. and he believes that by coming in now and on day five saying he is going to carry the flag for the thing donald trump has been talking about for months and stamp out these leakers and get rid, purge anybody inside the operation who has questions about the way donald trump is conducting himself, this becomes a very dangerous thing. i don't know how you go to work in the west wing today with any kind of confidence. that's one. the other thing i think it is important to note, and this gets to the point i was making earlier, it seemed to me anthony scaramucci concedes that the trump agenda has not been

executed on. he said repeatedly when we can finally execute the agenda, when we can execute the agenda, i read that as the white house communications director saying that the last six months have been for not when it comes to executing the agenda, which i thought was a really astonishing concession. >> pause. you know, one of the reasons it's so extraordinary because alisyn and i have sat together next to all of this as it's unfolded since the beginning is that there's so many layers of what's going onto david's point. >> for sure. david doesn't know where to begin. >> palace intrigue, real, true, at this point my take is scaramucci is not the bad guy, he's a victim and brought in to clean it up and that's what he's going to do. >> but who's the bad guy? >> i think there's several bad guys in there because, next layer, the president in terms of the tortured reference that he put on the italians of the fish stinks from the head down, the president has engendered a culture where it is okay to

attack one another as long as you're not attacking him. i can't tell you, i grew up in this business, i didn't want to, i didn't like it, that's why i didn't go into it, but i'd never heard of that before. the way it usually works is why are you talking about anybody but me. which is something else says to me ironic, that's the way it usually works. that's another layer here. this whole political intrigue, julie pace, it's cruel, corrosive, toxic and often informative to us about what's going on. that part's real, but there are other layers. is this leak tactic being used as a distraction from the russia probe, from what happened with lgbt, what's going on with jeff session sns is it right to use the fbi and what's going on with your own political intrigue? these are concerns as well. >> i think there are two things for people to know about the focus on leaks, one, this really is something that bothers the president. this is something he wants to get to the bottom of. he feels if he can undermine the media, if he can undermine stories that are out there that are negative about him by

focusing on the leakers, by saying that the leaks are false, that that actually will be central to his agenda, but on the other hand, look, this is something they would much rather be focused on than the russia probe, than the fact they have a health care bill that may not go anywhere. i mean, we're not even talking about that this morning in a 30-minute conversation with the communications director. so this is certainly a distraction technique as well. but it is important to remember that for the president leaks are a real agenda item for him chrks is extraordinary in its own right. >> david drucker, your thoughts? >> i have many. but which one should i pick? >> good start by the way. >> i know. i understand, julie makes good points about where the president is on this and how frustrated he is on this. i think that part of the problem that the president has had is he has tried to bring his culture of doing business into a professional political setting where he needs to depend on more

people than justiner circle trump loyalists. there's just no way to run a white house and an administration without reaching beyond that base of support. so i think scaramucci, and we talk to him quite often, could be a good fit, could be a good bridge to get trump connected to people outside and make this thing work better. but i think the way they're going about this in a very public airing and public berating of the people they think are problems is counterproductive to making this work because all it does is make people more insecure. and when people are insecure politically, they look to stabilize themselves by helping to influence the story and make sure that they have alliances so that they can deal with the attacks that are coming from inside where they work. and i think although anthony scaramucci is clearly playing to an audience of one, to the president of the united states, and i think this is what the president wants from him, i

don't think that they can accomplish what they want by going about it this way. one last thing and david chalian brought up a great point about whether or not the agenda has been successful. look, i think they've had some victories, they've had some problems. but we have seen over the years that whenever a politician has trouble, whenever their approval ratings aren't where they want them to be, supporters always believe the problem is communications. that if we can just talk about this better and focus on this better, that somehow it's going to be better received and people will look at it differently. and that's usually never the case. it's usually the case that people are reading what's going on the way they would read it no matter what and this is the judgment they're rendering. i think this is what the white house really needs to grapple with. >> one little bit of more insider insight into this is scaramucci can be effective if he brings in his own people. i think we're going to start seeing more and more turnover of the people around the president

because this isn't -- >> but in the communications department or everywhere? >> both. i think initially it will probably be comms because that's his bailiwick right now. but i think as your effectiveness grows as we saw with kellyanne conway, your portfolio grows, your reach grows, the people you can have around you that your respect grows, you can't have reince priebus and scaramucci if things stay the way they are. but now then you get to the next layer, david chalian, which is what won't be talked about as long as leaks are that matters every bit as much, this lgbt move is not just patent hypocrisy for donald j. trump because he said the exact opposite, he swore to protect this community his doj just came out with a report saying they're not a protected class when coming to work discrimination issues. that's a huge blow. then does this point to the military that by all accounts the d.o.d. was not aware of, which means this wasn't hoisted upon him, he initiated this, and

wreaks, talk about a fish stinks from the head down, wreaks of placating the people who could be upsetting him about how he's treating jeff sessions who oh just by the way scaramucci told us is in el salvador right now. >> yeah, classic shiny object in that he was using no doubt in a way that he knew would get the applause of his most core supporters who you're right we're finding offensive what happened with sessions and making that known. the other thing that i think is really important to pay attention to about how this was rolled out, as you said, the pentagon didn't know, the hill didn't know and there was no answer about how this was going to get implemented. so it was made clear that this wasn't a seriously thought through policy proposal in any way because even in hours between the president first

tweeting it yesterday and sarah huckabee sanders giving a press briefing, there was zero answer and zero information because there is none about how it would actually be implemented. >> panel, thank you very much for going through all of this with us on this very interesting morning here. thank you. so we're going to have much more of our exclusive interview with anthony scaramucci, but we're also talking about that major change in the military that we just discussed, president trump's ban of transgender americans. so we have a republican lawmaker who supports the president's move next. ♪ backpack, check. that's the family taking care of business. awesome notebook! check. but who takes care of them? office depot / office max. this week, these composition books are just 25 cents each. ♪ taking care of business going somewhere? whoooo. here's some advice. tripadvisor now searches more than 200 booking sites to find the hotel you want and save you up to 30%. trust this bird's words. tripadvisor.

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breaking news. white house communications director anthony scaramucci tells "new day" exclusively this morning that he's putting white house aides on notice. >> the president and i would like to tell everybody we have a very, very good idea of who the leakers are, who the senior leakers are in the white house. >> okay. scaramucci also told us that his now-deleted tweet where he called out white house chief of staff reince priebus over the leaks was not a threat. talking about this and so much more joining us member of the armed services committee. great to have you with us this morning. >> alisyn, it's good to be with you. >> so i don't know if you caught anthony scaramucci's interview here with us this morning, but he's focused on leakers. okay. very focused. and he says the president is very concerned about the leaking in the white house. do you feel that that is a distraction from the other things that need to get done, health care, this new

transgender ban, whatever the president wants to do about attorney general jeff sessions? >> it's not a distraction to the people in the congress because we continue to get our work done. we were here over in the house last night until almost midnight voting on amendments on our appropriations package we're working on this week. so we're getting our work done. what's happening over at the white house seems to be stuff that's happening internally. i can tell you when i go home and talk to people in my district, they don't care about all that stuff, they want to know what we're doing about health care and other issues. >> sure. i hear that too, congressman. so why is the white house so focused on it? >> i don't know. i'm not a part of these conversations that are occurring at the white house. i don't like the leaks. i think the leaks are harmful to the country. some of the leaks may actually be criminal. i know the attorney general's looking at that. people need to quit leaking. let's get focused on our jobs and get it done because the american people want us to address these issues. i can tell you that. >> well, how do you feel about what the president has done for i think four days straight in a

row of publicly dressing down attorney general jeff sessions? >> i know jeff sessions for almost four decades. he is a professional prosecutor. he was a u.s. attorney in mobile, where i'm from, for 12 years, attorney general of the state of alabama, he knows what he's doing. and he's doing a very good job. he's doing the work that all of us expected he would do when he took this position. and he's doing it with integrity and professionalism. i hope that he will stay on the job and continue to do that work because american people need for him to do that. >> so do you want the president to stop publicly criticizing him? >> i want all of us to let jeff sessions do his job. i know him well enough to know he has the ability to tune out the noise and stay focused on what he's doing. so i know he's getting his job done. but it's not helpful for the rest of us to continue to go back and back and back to this. we need to make sure we're supporting him in what he's doing so he can get it done and get it done in the right way for the american people. >> when you say the rest of us go back and back and back to this, it's the president. have you somehow shared your feelings and your confidence in

jeff sessions with the president? >> well, i have not directly done it, but be news media like i'm doing now i've been very clear as many, many, many people in congress have that we have great respect for jeff sessions and the job that he's doing. look, there are so many issues that the american people want us to be focused on here in washington making sure that we have good law enforcement is one of them. dealing with health care is another. dealing with threats to the national security of the united states like what's happening in north korea, that's another one. let's stay focused on those issues. if we do that, the american people will support us. if we don't, american people are going to get angry with us and come election time they're going to let us know about that. >> the president seemed to surprise capitol hill and the pentagon yesterday when he tweeted out that he was reviving the ban on transgender soldiers. do you support that ban? >> the president's the commander in chief of the armed forces of the united states, he gets to make that decision. he doesn't have to confer with congress.

he doesn't have to confer with the pentagon before he does it. i have no idea what decision making process he went through before he came to that decision. i do know this, both in the armed services committee on which i serve and the rules committee on which i serve, we had some legitimate concerns raised about how you care for someone in a combat situation who has either just undergone gender reassignment surgery or who's getting ready to go through it. they've got hormone therapy they have to go through. there are some legitimate practical problems here. i know secretary mattis was trying to go through those. i don't know what he's done with that, what he's communicated with the president. so perhaps we'll hear about that in the next several weeks. >> well, shouldn't you have concluded that assessment or secretary mattis have before the president decided that transgender soldiers should be banned? >> well, i don't know that he didn't complete it. i don't know what's been done because that hasn't been shared with us. >> but just help me understand, and just so that everybody understands out there, what do you think -- what harm do you think transgender soldiers do to the military?

>> i don't think transgender people as transgender people do harm to the military. the question is how can we care for them if they have medical needs as a result of their surgery or surgery they're about to go through or hormone therapy when they're in a combat setting. that's a legitimate question, a legitimate series of issues. and i hope secretary mattis and the president are looking at that and making sure they're making the right decision for our men and women in uniform but also to protect america. >> what we've heard from transgender soldier ss this is no different than any other medical condition how you would care for anybody else that has any other medical condition. >> well, we have certain medical conditions that we don't allow people to come into the armed service ifs we have it. for example, certain types of diabetes, we cannot let you into the armed services because we can't adequately care for you in a combat situation. so i think there are some concerns here. i hope that they will be addressed. i hope they'll be addressed in a way we can all learn publicly

what the way we can deal with it is, but in the time being if the president wants to have this decision and buy the time to get it right, i don't see anything wrong with that. i think it's the appropriate thing to do. >> what happens in the meantime to transgender soldiers? >> that's a very good question. i don't know the answer to the question. we don't really have an order itself from the president. we only have what he tweeted. so i assume we'll be getting something in more formal order that will tell us exactly how they will handle that situation. we've got some very good people in the united states military who are serving honorably, want to make sure they can continue to serve honorably for the country. >> should he have bounced this off the pentagon and figured out the details of the plan before he made thousands of people concerned about their jobs? >> well, i don't know what he did. i can't tell you whether he got sat down with the pentagon, went through this, talked about these issues. >> the pentagon says they were surprised by this. >> well, i don't know what the communications have been between the pentagon and the president.

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the latest. we want to get back to our exclusive interview. we had white house communications director anthony scaramucci call in this morning because there was really an urgent situation. these tweets last night that he had sent about leaks and who it may be and he named reince priebus. it really needed to be clarified. so we called him in and a lot got unpacked. joining us now is republican senator john kennedy of louisiana, member of the senate judiciary and appropriations committees. we want to talk about health care with you and what's going on and how it will affect americans, but i do want to get your take on your level of concern about all of this palace intrigue. and in fact that phrase may cheapen it. these seem like real concerns that are going on. >> well, i don't know exactly what's going on in the white house. i've never worked there. but i've worked for two governors. and i can tell you what it looks like is going on.

you have all these aides that work for the president and they want daddy to love them best. and so they fight over turf. and they try to hurt each other. and they leak stuff. and it ends up hurting the person that you're working for. now, some of that, chris, is inevitable, it's human nature. but it looks to me like this is in this white house it's out of control. that's point one. point two, in terms of making all these announcements about who's doing what to whom, somebody ought to check the water in the white house because folks there seem to grow anxious when they have an unexpressed thought. you don't have to talk about all this publicly. if somebody's caught leaking and doing a disservice to the country and to the president, fire him. don't talk about it. just go ahead and fire him. >> it's an interesting observation, senator. you said you worked for a couple

governors and a leader yourself, you have your own staff. and it does raise the question about the tone from the top. and we know that the president is guilty of some of these actions himself, that he'll take to twitter. what he's doing with jeff sessions going after him publicly instead of privately. do you think that that has a role in engendering a little bit of this negative culture? >> well, let me put it this way, chris, part of wisdom particularly in politics is understanding you don't have to comment on everything. sometimes it's okay to say nothing. number two, in politics as in life what you do is what you believe, it's not what you say. and if you believe in something, then do it. judge somebody by their actions, not their words. and every white house is different. this white house likes to muse publicly about their thinking. and that's their choice. but i wouldn't do it. >> all right. so i appreciate the candor,

senator. let's keep it rolling. >> okay. >> what we're seeing happening with the health care debate now. >> uh-huh. >> here's the proposition. why don't republicans just own what you really want to do? there is a pronounced feeling for many years, john boehner used to muse about it all the time, that there's a division about how to deal with health care within your party, but there's a central interest which is let's take money out of this system and use it for other things. no matter what you call any of these versions of a plan, skinny repeal, fat repeal, straight repeal, mike the appeal, whatever you want to call it, they're all doing the same thing to various degrees. >> sure. >> taking money out of the system. why not just own that? yes, we want to make money out. we know that may mean less people get covered, that's the trade-off. let the american people decide at the polls the next set of elections. >> that's an interesting thought, chris. and i think that describes some of the people in the republican caucus, but not all of them.

we've got several groups of people. we've got some people in the republican caucus want to put more money back in. i mean they have decided that they like obamacare all of a sudden. and that's okay, but they ought to own it. they ought to stand up in front of god and the country and cnn and say i've changed my position and i support it. there are others who do believe what you believe, or suggested rather, but the problem right now is we don't have a consensus. and i know what's going on is ugly and it's messy, but in a way it's beautiful because this is how democracy's supposed to work. everybody now democrats, republicans, independents can offer amendments. they can say in a transparent way what they believe. and i think that's positive. i will say this, and i think this is true on both sides of the aisle, we do have some folks like the line in "the wizard of

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the president and i would like to tell everybody that i have a very, very good idea of who the leakers are, who the senior leakers are in the white house. >> white house communications director anthony scaramucci in an exclusive call-in interview on "new day" this morning saying he has a good idea who the leakers are but didn't want to

directly implicate chief of staff reince priebus or any others. how is all this talk of leaks, this intrigue, how is it going to affect us, what is it going to mean? let's discuss this and some other security matters with cnn national security analyst, former director of the cia and the nsa, general michael hayden. general, great to have you this morning. >> good morning. >> so the simple question is, have you ever? >> no. never. and i was watching all your coverage earlier in the green room, chris, and i harken back to a breakfast i had in great britain about a year ago. international table for breakfast, long and involved discussion. at the end one of our european friends turned to me and simply said, you do realize, don't you, how much we rely on you americans to do the right thing? and so now you've got the whole world watching what appears to be an incredibly dysfunctional

white house. and the whole world does depend on the world's strongest power to be a moral leader. and right now i don't think they've got a lot of confidence in us. >> well, let's talk about that for a second, general. you know, for all your titles, at bottom you are a leader. you have led men and women for many years in different capacities. what do you believe is happening and not happening in the white house to engender this kind of culture? >> chris, when i went to cia in may of 2006, we were in the news far too much as source and subject, and frankly, i think a lot of the sources were from within the agency or at least its alumni association. now, there are ways to handle leaks. one is to make war on your workforce. that's really successful. you get leaks -- and i'm not excusing leaks in any way, but you get leaks when people feel as if they have exhausted all means within the government so

make their voices heard. people leak when they've lost all alternative. so my policy at the agency was to simply open up communications with the workforce. i gave them my e-mail account. i'm not suggesting the president do that, but i gave them my e-mail account and i answered every one of them. and i got thousands for a couple of weeks. and then they began to taper off. and so did the leaks. and so i think we're getting these leaks because of the atmosphere within the administration itself. if you want to stop the leaks, change the atmosphere. >> another question for you. one of the things that came out, i don't want it to be lost in the scaramucci conversation, is he talked about a conversation he had with the president where the president talked about why he doesn't accept the russian intelligence about the interference necessarily. and, again, this could be just of benefit to the president's position, but he said, well, you know, they got the weapons of mass destruction wrong.

the intelligence community said it was a slam dunk. and the president remembers that. so unlike the rest of us in the media he is being a little skeptical. what do you make of that? because context, his hetd of the cia, his intel chiefs, they've all looked at the intel and they say there is no question. and basically the president's saying i don't believe you. >> yeah. that wmd thing, chris, was my generation. that took place 15 years ago. we've taken full responsibility for getting that wrong. we've got a new generation of officers there who were very careful when they attach high confidence to any kind of judgment. and they've attached high confidence to this. chris, i was in aspen last week. the current and former, the trump and obama heads of cia, director of national intelligence, homeland security and the homeland security advisor all said the russians did this without a doubt. now, look, this is important

because the government, the intelligence community responds to the president's priorities, and the president has indicated by his language by which you've just referred to here, the president has indicated this is not a high priority. so i fear we're not doing enough to learn what happened and to prevent it from happening again. >> what's your level of anxiety about what's going on in government? >> i'm very anxious. look, chris, you want an indicator? you just took a 39-year military veteran, the former head of cia and nsa, you had him on your show, and i understand the question, but you asked me to comment what's going on between the white house communications director and the white house chief of staff. that should answer your question. >> we just depend on you that much, general. your portfolio is that broad. thank you, sir, for being on with us today.

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ncht good morning everyone. i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm john berman. breaking news this morning, shocking battle inside the west wing of the white house, stunning, extraordinary, bizarre, all those words apply because of who this fight is between, the chief of staff and the new communications director. and stunning, extraordinary, bizarre, because of just how public this fight is playing out on cnn this morning right before our eyes. on the tv. as we watch communications director anthony scaramucci seemed to publicly knife