illegal immigration in half over the next decade and shift the country to a so-called merit-based system. >> this process will favor applicants who can speak english, financially support themselves and their families and demonstrate skills that will contribute to our economy. >> the rollout of the bill arc companied by a combative press briefing. senior policy adviser stephen miller facing off with cnn's jim acosta about whether the policy is in line with american values. >> the statue of liberty says give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. it doesn't say anything about speaking english. >> the statue is a symbol of american liberty en lighting the world. the poem you're reciting is actually not part of the original line of questioning. >> reporter: quickly turning personal. >> the whole notion that they have to learn english from the

united states. are we going to bring in people from just great britain. >> you're showing your metropolitan biased. that is one of the most ignorant and foolish things you've ever said. for you, that's still a really -- the notion you think this is a racist bill is so wrong -- >> reporter: the controversial plan also sparking fierce debate in congress. >> to take all the green cards and put them in one in the economy is just ill advised and i can't support that. >> reporter: the growing riff between president trump and his own party on display when the president reluctantly signed the russia sanctions bill before slamming the veto-proof bill as seriously flawed and unconstitutional, claiming he can make far better deals with foreign countries than congress. senator john mccain striking back noting, i hope the president will be as vocal about russia's aggressive behavior as

he was about his concerns with this legislation. it comes as the president's approval numbers hit a new low and mounting credibility issues are straining his political capital. the white house conceding that two phone calls the president recently touted with the president of mexico and the boy scouts actually never happened. >> specifically said he received a phone call from the president of mexico -- >> they were direct conversations, not actual phone calls. >> he lied -- >> i wouldn't say it was a lie. that's a pretty bold accusation. the conversations took place, they just simply didn't take place over a phone call. he had them in person. >> reporter: as for the president's claim that the boy scouts called to tell him last week's appearance was the greatest speech ever made to them, the press secretary said this. >> multiple members of the boy scout leadership following his speech there that day congratulated him, praised him and offered quite -- i'm looking

for the word -- quite powerful compliments following his speech. that's what those references were about. >> reporter: of course, the boy scouts denied there was any phone call congratulating president trump. in fact, their leadership apologized after the event trump spoke at for inserting political rhetoric into what was supposed to be an apolitical event. two things we'll be watching at the white house today, one, president trump's 11:00 a.m. meeting with h.r. mcmaster, his national security adviser, this as president trump weighs what to do on afghanistan policy and later tonight, back to west virginia for yet another political rally, playing to the base yet again there. >> sarah, appreciate it. let's bring in the panel. cnn political analyst, car reason demirjian, david drucker and john avlon. who makes the cut under the new merit-based criteria? camerota and i would be crushing grapes somewhere if we even existed. the avalons make it?

the demirjians? truck ke drucker? >> no, i'm out. >> what does that tell us about the merit-based system? last night this became an argument about the fundamental premise of the promise of this country. listen to how it played out. >> what you're proposing, what the president is proposesing here doesn't sound like it's in keeping with american tradition when it comes to immigration. the statue of liberty says give me your tired, your poor, your huddled massless. doesn't say anything about speaking english or being able to be a computer programmer. aren't you trying to change what it means to be an immigrant coming into this country if you're telling them you have to speak english? can't people learn how to speak english when they get here? >> well, first of all, right now it's a requirement it be naturalized yet to speak english. the notion that speaking english

wouldn't be part of immigration systems would be very ahistorical. secondly, i don't want wah to get into a whole thing about history, the statue of liberty is a symbol of american liberty lighting the world. the poem you're referring to was added later, not actually part of the original statue of liberty. >> john avlon, first of all, speaking english is not a sole criterion forgetting in here. >> not even a requirement. there are exceptions. >> there are exceptions. >> there are exceptions. that's not the real issue. how do you see this? >> first of all, this is a where the argument has always been, we're going to get really tough on illegal immigration, but expand legal immigration. we should be able to have a debate without people calling each other racist and talk about the role of simulation. what this does is truly

ahistorical. if an unskilled immigrant who didn't speak english was blocked, apparently everyone here on the panel today wouldn't be here. that speaks to genius of amer a america. >> but president trump would be happy if all of us weren't here. that is a goal actually. the problem with this policy is that it's not data driven, not fact-based. the facts are that immigrants have an impressive track record when it comes to entrepreneurial spirit, when it comes to employing people. they actually do better than their then native born -- meaning immigrants are something like 13% of the country, but they are 20% of all the entrepreneurs in the country. here's a few statistics. it flies in the face of the facts of what they contribute, karoun. >> assuming all the people contributing are the ones coming

in with very, very deep trust funds and bank accounts that can immediately start spending money on hiring american citizens for jobs, is a flaw to how things work in this country. it sits in a strange moral place for people because so many people in this country have living relatives, ancestors that came, not being able to speak english, learned it potentially before they got naturalized. that gives you a five-year gap to be able to do that in the first place. it's kind of interesting how, we paint this as something to please the base. it very well may please trump's base, but it has not sat well with the republican party. this would be an economic shock to the system of many, many states. you saw a lot of republicans who are pretty conservative say no, we can't do this. again, remember this, we're talking about legal immigration when we're talking about changing these standards which a lot of republicans, certain categories of legal immigration

should be increased, not decreased. this is not the illegal immigration that we hear more con heegs around. it hits a nerve in a political and economic sense for a lot of people. >> "the washington post" survey of 18 economists in july found 89% said it's a bad idea for trump to curb immigration to the yagts. the jobs that many of the low skilled immigrants fill are ones americans will not. it's just supply and demand. david drucker, there is something else. stephen miller used the word ahis tofr cal, referring to ahis tore sichl. that's what stephen miller was doing. his brush yeah side of the poem saying that was added later. one, of course it was added later. the pedestal they're on was added later, a fund-raising effort to add a pet stall. he wanted to waive away the

signature promise of this country. who is america if it's not inviting the desperate to its shores. >> what stephen miller reflected, there are a lot of people in the country that don't feel like the immigration rules are working for them. they look at it as unfair, so the administration is trying to fulfill one of its campaign promises to do something about. one, i do not think they have to flout longstanding u.s. tradition and our embrace of i'm grants, not always as smooth as we would like to think, if we go back to the early 20th century all the way through world war ii, it was a very rock difficult embrace at times of immigrants, even though going back to the 19th century all the way through the 20th century, it's been a part of america's character. the second thing to understand here, there are not the votes for this thing to pass in congress. this is not a 60-votes issue

where eight democrats can stand in the way of getting anything done. there are a lot of republicans, even though this bill was introduced from two, ron johnson took issues with it, lindsey graham from south carolina. there are a whole host of republicans in the house and senate that look at immigration differently, even though they're sympathetic to some of the goals of what this legislation wants to do. >> what is the point then for the white house to push this? yes, it's a hobby horse. the headlines are terrible for an administration who says we've always been interpreted as being anti immigrant. that's not what we're saying. also on the week they billed american dream week, there's a cruel irony which one can assume is intentional. the only people paying attention to the theme weeks are people who work in the white house. that's worth considering. how does it live up to our best traditions and connect to economic concerns rather than

identity politics concerns? >> karoun, a new poll, quinnipiac finds a new low for president trump, a 33% approval rating at the moment. that's down from june of 40%, his approval rate has gone up to 61%. your thoughts? >> those numbers are across the country and i'm sure they split differently when you break it up party to party which matters more for his political prognosis. reflection of the fact that he's had an extremely difficult six months. there were a whole bunch of campaign promises that we were supposed to see come to fruit n fruition. health care did not work, still lo waiting to see what's going to happen with tax reform, the cloud over the russia investigation hanging over the administration, the two victories they can point to right now are a supreme court justice, okay.

pointing to this russia sanctions bill, administration was lobbying against. so it's not a great track record right now. i think that is reflected in those numbers. >> david drucker, what do you think their take is on why their numbers are low zm. >> i think they recognize the white house has been running very chaotically without any direction, without any cohesion, and it makes the president look like he doesn't know what he's doing and can't do the job. i think that's why they brought in general kelly to right the ship. initially for the time being the president has empowered kelly to bring order to the white house, to serve as the gatekeeper to the oval office and why we've seen him reassure jeff sessions that he's not going anywhere because that did not sit well. so i think they're trying to make changes. this is what donald trump always does. he gets himself into trouble, gets himself into more trouble. he's on the verge of falling off a cliff that he'll never be able to recover from. then he rights the ship, brings

in somebody new and the pattern starts all over again. i think the key part of that quinnipiac poll, his approval with republicans in that poll is down to 76%. one of the things that's been saving this president is he's been really low with his numbers nationally, but with republicans he's been pretty solid. if he continues along the route he was on last week, he's going to end up in trouble with his own party, and then he's in real trouble. >> the real headline from the poll is trump's support among non-college educated whites is down to 43%. >> got two of three of those vetters during the election, about 67% of that vote. >> that's a huge problem for the white house. it's not about optics, it's about something bigger than that. that's the number the white house will be looking at. >> panel, stick around. we have many more issues to cover. so anthony scaramucci is going to be back in the news in a big way. how? tomorrow he's holding an online event on facebook live, pair scope and other media, he's

going to take questions about why he left, why he was there and how he believes he's being maligned in terms of describing his character. >> that will be having interesting. mario cantone who had a brief moment impersonating anthony scaramucci tweeted, i thought it was over. oh, my god, two weeks ago i was very relaxed. >> he also has to be very excited. he's going to get another at-bat here. there's no question that tonight, comedy central's "the president's show" is going to be back on it. can scaramucci doing this online event, who knows what that breeds. stretch it out as long as possible, mario. meanwhile, the president, it turns out, of mexico, did not call president trump to praise him. neither did the boy scouts, they say. president trump insists they did give him these messages. so what does this say about his credibility? we discuss next.

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with the president of mexico about border policy. >> even the president of mexico called me. they said their southern border, very few people are coming because they know they're not going to get through our border which is the ultimate compliment. >> now the white house admits neither of those calls ever happened. >> specifically said he received a phone call from the president of mexico -- >> they were actually direct conversations, not actual phone calls. >> so he lied, he didn't receive phone calls. >> i wouldn't say it was a lie. that's a pretty bold accusation. the conversations took place, they just simply didn't take place over a phone call. he had them in person. >> the part that's missing is where you then say, yeah, that's the ticket, it was a direct conversation. he came to me face-to-face. it was me and all the boy scouts. >> morgan fairchild. >> if you people covered more of my rallies, you'd see these things. >> i have to bring in the panel now. let's bring back john avlon,

karo karoun demirjian and cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd. >> got phil smiling. you know it's a good line if you get that sour puss smiling. >> as funny as the john lovitz retake is, phone call in person, who cares? what's the distinction? >> i think the distinction is the white house got to admit things out of the president's mouth are not true. if he's lying about something small, that's an indication of where we are with this presidency. it's the canary in the coal mine. these comments line up with a pattern the president has which is saying people have been coming up to me and saying at very high levels that it was the gl greatest speech ever given. of course, that strains cred utility. people are coming and talking about personal angers. everyone talking about john

podesta's e-mails. the greatest speech ever given. you've got lying about small things and a fluff rate that doesn't rise to the level of reality. >> what the president used to refer to, karoun, a truth. hyperbole. in "the art of the deal" he wrote or somebody wrote with him, people want to believe something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular, i call it truthful hyperbole, an innocent form of exaggeration, except it isn't. hence the latin phrase, if somebody lies to you about something, you must now be suspicious of everything they say. and that becomes contagious when you're evaliuating what comes ot of the white house. >> once you start lying about small things, you can forget where the line is between the small thing and the big thing. one of the issues with this one in particular is the fact that the boy scouts came out and said, we're really sorry about that speech, i went into a

political arena it shouldn't have gone into. but the idea that pray ear telling trump in private it was the great etch speech then ever heard. this is not an isolated example of the president. he has stretched the truth or made facts up, we've heard the line alternative facts come out of people who are close. it fits a pattern that is making him seem like he's less credible than more credible. >> phil, you can feel free to weigh in on the president's credibility or we can move on to the policy that the president signed, and that was that congress did send him the bill about sanctions against russia for their meddling in the u.s. the president seened it, but he did so reluctantly. he said here, the bill remains seriously flawed, particularly because it encroaches on the executive branch's authority to negotiate. congress could not even negotiate a health care bill. after seven years of talking, by

limiting the executive's flexibility, this bill makes it harder for the united states to strike good deals and drive, china, russia and north korea much closer -- >> some people might laugh about the alleged conversations with the boy scouts and president over the phone, this is not a laughing matter. the iran nuclear deal, the president has had serious questions about the iran nuclear deal. in a different place and secretary of state rex tillerson. if we go down the path and the white house under president trump starts talking about iranian compliance with the nuclear deal and the president says i don't think he's in compliance, what do we say about that? do we say it's true, he's faking intelligence. one thing, i think this increases the significance of the cabinet.

the secretary of state, sec taf of defense, we've already seen this on russian meddling when the intel guys have been out saying basically the president is wrong. we've seen this from jim comey when he came out to say nobody bugged trump tower. this will increase pressure on cabinet members to come out in public over the time when the president talks about things like the iran nuclear deal and says, hey, the boss man, he made that stuff up, it ain't true. >> you have a couple of different problems that emerge here. one is, it was a direct conversation, prove it. you're so tightly scheduled with the president, so much is recorded. >> we haven't heard from people saying it's not. we haven't heard from the boy scouts or pena knee it toe saying no, that didn't happen. >> why wouldn't they have drawn the distinction and be, i don't know about the phone call, but yes our president said this or our boy scout leader said this. there's something else that will certainly happen. you'll get an immediate divide on the basis of this reporting because president trump, his

white house is not the first. politicians are often loose with the truth. that doesn't make what they're doing, john avlon, okay. the fact that president obama or some other president may have also stretched the truth doesn't mean his stretching of it is, therefore, okay. >> engaging the what about as a cya in a political sense isn't sufficient. what the problem is the pattern, the willingness to lie about small things and big, and are recognition that whatever trump scales, a hype man. when you're president of the united states, words matter. phil's example is great because all of a sudden words you're using casually, are they official words from the united states, diminishes american presidential leadership. the point about the cabinet standing up is key, not only because cabinet members have been playing a game of contain the president. increasingly when you see the president makes a statement that seems like policy, members of the government say we're in the

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stein, and political director of "our revolution" erika andiola. dan, make the case for why the administration should cut legal immigration by half over the next decade. >> thanks, carol. it's a great opportunity for the republican party to consolidate its political gains in the blue states that enabled trump to win. on this issue, major campaign promise of president trump, great he's embraced the bill. the bill does four things, makes immigration manageable, by decreasing unskilled immigration and enables us to as the american people select how many come every year. makes it affordable. by decreasing unskilled immigration it decreases the welfare burdens and the tremendous cost of low-skilled immigration. it helps the american worker by stopping the unfair labor competition. chuck schumer talks about it in the context of the trade, but the democrats have abandoned concern about how immigration is affecting american wages and

working conditions. it puts the american worker first which is a big part of the trump promise and also makes immigration serve the american people and our priorities to make immigration once again great for america, not special interests on wall street and not as the life support system for the american political left. >> before i get to you, erica, dan, i just don't know the facts support what you're saying. you heard lindsey graham say cutting this amount of legal immigrants would devastate his state because of the service industry, the tourism industry and the agriculture industry. that's who takes these jobs in his state of south carolina and his state and many other states need those people to take those jobs. >> remember, the american middle class has been disseminated. two reasons wages are stagnant, one is pro ductivity, the second is the massive artificial increase in labor supply through uncontrolled immigration for the last 30, 40 years. remember, this bill represents the best thinking of

recommendations from commission after commission after commission, barbara jordan, theodore hess berg for the last 40 years. it's good public policy. erica, your response? >> i think it's time to stop scapegoating immigrants when it comes to this entire immigration. trump started his campaign saying the reason why the american people cannot find jobs is because of immigrants. that's not the reality. the reality is there's so many other things we can do in this country. i did work in the bernie campaign. we talked about creating a $15 minimum wage, actually having protection for workers and stop talking about immigrants as if we are the ones -- >> erica, to address what dan is sayinging specifically, he said the economy and wages have been depressed because there's been this flood of immigrants. >> absolutely not, absolutely not. the fact is we do need immigrants to come and pick the food we eat every single day. we need to give people the opportunity to come here and

escape violence, need refugees to have somewhere to go. this bill does exactly the opposite. it goes against what this country is about, actually opening its arms to people seeking refuge. my mother actually came from mexico. i came mexico. my mother is a victim of domestic violence. the fact is we applied for a visa and we couldn't find a way to come to this country, and that's the only way we could come here. this is what this country is about. this bill does exactly the opposite of it. >> in fact, our white house correspondent jim acosta had this very exchange about this philosophy of what the country was founded on with stephen miller, one of the white house advisers. let me play a little portion of it for you. >> the statue of liberty -- >> jim, let me ask you a question -- >> hope for the world for people to send people to this country and they're not always going to speak english, jim, not always going to be highly skilled. >> jim, jim, jim. i appreciate your speech.

so let's talk about this. >> there's this philosophy, right, dan, and then there are the numbers, the hard data. let me pull up a full screen for you and our viewers about what immigrants contribute to the economy. about 3 million foreign-born entrepreneurs -- there's all sorts of data that immigrants create small businesses. they generated $65.5 billion in 2014. that would obviously be decreased. immigrants represent 13% of the u.s. population, but make up 21% of all entrepreneurs in the country. so obviously doing more than their share. nearly 6 million workers employed at immigrant-owned businesses, and 40% of firms on fortune 500 lists were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. that's a good track record, dan. >> alisyn, look, immigration is a broad and complex issue that certainly serves many different

interests, and right now -- we don't agree with a lot of those data. right now we have an immigration system that doesn't work for the american people. obviously if you're going to admit a haystack, you'll get a few entrepreneurs. but in the end we need to modernize our immigration system by restoring traditional levels of immigration, bringing it back down to the proper level so we can absorb and assimilate so wages go up, american workers can live the american dream again, immigration is spurred because of the labor tightening effects of less immigration. all these great things would happen if we would reduce immigration. it's hard to get past the special interest pressure. the democratic party now relies on immigration for its future electoral support. it's hard for the american people to get their voices heard. >> congress is not filled with just democrats, as you know. lots of republicans don't support this. erica, i want to give you the last word in the remaining seconds. >> absolutely.

we do need to fix our immigration system, but this is not the way to do it. we want people to come here in a way that they're not going to risk their lives crossing the desert like my family did. we need to find a way to open our arms to people who are coming here to work, the pick our food and also to work in companies. we cannot close the door to immigrants because this is what this country has been about for so many years. even your ancestors were probably perhaps people who came here without speaking english and who found a way. >> for sure mine, and i'm sure dan's as well. this country was found -- >> mine followed the law, mine respected the law. >> this is about legal immigration. this is about legal issues. >> we all follow the law. this is what we're talking about, legal immigration being reduced by 50%. we have to leave it there. erica, dan, tluch for the debate. given the daily drama, it's hard to imagine the white house could be getting anything done quietly, but that happens to be

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neil gorsuch, on the supreme court. he could have the opportunity to nominate more justices. trump is also quietly filling up lower courts with lifetime appointees, and that can impact the judiciary for decades. environmental policy, trump famously pulled out of the paris accord, but also moving to roll back the clean power plants, the united states rule that protects smaller bodies of water and the arctic drilling ban. trz has slashed or delayed hundreds of business regulations, also moving to pull back the dodd-frank bill, effectively making it easier for those on wall street to once again gamble recklessly. he's also hobbling the consumer protection agency. despite trump's displeasure with his attorney general, he is getting it done for trump, mr. sessions, getti allowing policeo seize cash and goods from people only suspected of crimes, supporting texas's controversial

voter id law and pursuing the harshest of senses for the lowest drug offenses. that will put people in jail long after president trump is no longer in office. joining us, david graham, staff writer at "the atlantic," just wrote a piece called "trump has quietly accomplished more than it appears." first, mr. graham, thank you for joining us, david. what do you make of the quietly part, what is sometimes called the shadow government, the faces behind the big names and the brash talk? >> i think there's a couple things going on. one is trump is creating so much news and chaos at the white house level and a lot of the big name, big topic airs yas that it's hard to see these things going on. the other thing is, these are not necessarily -- the priorities trump talked about during the campaign. these are in many cases conservative republican

priorities, rolling back regulation, making things easier for business, cutting on environmental protection. they're not necessarily the red meat for trump's base so much. >> so do they have a point, the white house, when they say you guys are ignoring all we're getting done? >> well, i think it's interesting. the things i think are maybe their greatest accomplishments are often not the ones they talk about. they talk about gorsuch, and i think rightly so. you don't hear them talking much about the regulations and things. i also think when you're creating the kind of chaos they are, it's disingenuous that the media are not covering what they're doing since they're making a lot of fuss. the other thing is, they talk about the stock marked and the way the stock market is working and job increases. those are things the president has limited control over, especially so early in his term. they're focusing on accomplishments that maybe they don't deserve as much credit for and not talking about the ones that they do. >> you have the undo obama desire. we see that a lot in terms of

what's being rolled back with the regs and epa. what about the big ticket promises during the campaign? obviously there's going to be a temptation to measure the effectiveness by the big tickets. >> that's right. i think there's an irony here. we had steve bannon talking at the beginning of this administration about dismantling the administrative state. what we're seeing is where trump is getting things done is almost exclusively through what the administration state can do, undoing regulations here and there. on the big ticket items, you still don't see a lot of motion. obviously health care has been a bit of a fiasco and congress has blocked other legislative priorities, the wall is not built, the immigration ban has struggled in court. on big ticket things, the stuff trump talked about most during the campaign, we're not seeing a who lot of motion. >> the way you see it in the piece, the by product of the bluster is giving cabinet secretary and agencies able to get things done with lighter

scrutiny. how so? >> when there's so much news coming out of the white house, we are inclined to focus our attention on that. i often hear people complaining that the white house is distracting from what's going on. i'm not sure that's intentional. in any case, these are not stories we should be ignoring. on the other hand, there's a imt willed amount of time and attention that can be given. ben carson in an interview recently with "the washington examiner" said he was glad to see trump taking the hit so he could get things done at his level. i think that's uniform across the cabinet. when the house is the big story, the press can't focus as much on what the justice department or health and human services or the epa are doing. >> we are blessed with an audience that likes to do its research and find things out. what would you direct people to look at in terms of being able to assess the impact of this administration? >> i think keep reading those stories about things -- and watching the segments about things not going on at the white house. pay attention to regulation.

look at the ways that regulation affect things way out into the future, and that's really where the motion is. that's often more important in the long run than the daily circus around trump. >> david graham, got to love the counterintuitive reporting. thank you for directing us to what the impact has been thus far. appreciate having you on the show. >> thank you. >> alisyn. >> president trump's approval rating this morning is at a new low. how can he turn it around? we'll hear from one of the president's gop critics, arizona senator jeff flake and what he suggests next.

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. statue of liberty says give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masstion. >> the poem you're referring to added later, not part of the original statue of liberty. >> i don't think our problem is an excess of new americans. >> there is no way this proposal will see the light of day in the u.s. senate. >> the president signing the russia sanctions bill before calling it unconstitutional. >> it makes one wonder why the trump administration is so different than everybody else on russia. >> the conversations took place,

they simply didn't take place over a phone call. >> the president has said a lot of strange things, at times that were not accurate. this begs to the larger issue of trust. >> it's a pattern, we're going to have to save a breaking news banner for when the guy tells the truth. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and amend sin camerota. >> good morning, welcome to your "new day." president trump facing backlash over slashing legal immigration in half over the next decade. the proposed system would favor english speakers and sharply reduce bringing relatives of immigrants to the u.s. critics of the plan say it would actually slow economic growth and keep out badly needed low wage workers. >> meantime, the president's credibility has taken another hit. the white house admitting the two phone calls the president claims he got never happened. all this as a new national poll has president trump's approval rating hitting a new low. 33%. so he's getting set to rally his base heading to west virginia

for another campaign event. we have it all covered. let's begin with cnn's sara murray live at the white house. this new poll suggests the base ain't enough, sara. >> reporter: that's right. what trump is doing is continuing to make this play for this core group of supporters who landed him here at the white house. as you pointed out, he's headed to west virginia tonight. his new chief of staff, john kelly, made a call to jeff sessions, a favorite of conservatives to say, look, your job is safe, all this on top of this new immigration plan the president threw his support behind yesterday. >> reporter: president trump endorsing proposed legislation to slash legal immigration in half over the next decade and shift the country to a so-called merit-based system. >> this competitive application process will favor applicants who can speak english, financially support themselves and their families and demonstrate skills that will contri