>> i could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody, and i wouldn't lose voters. >> reporter: new york. >> and thanks for joining us. you can watch "outfront" any time, anywhere. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. 200 days since the trump administration naugization. so far, we've seen one solo press conference from the president, and one pick to the supreme court confirmed, but otherwise zero signature legislative accomplishments. all of that is reflected in new polling just out just now. the top line number from cnn ssrs just 38% now approve of the job the president is doing. that is a new low in our survey, and cause for concern in a time when his predecessors were still by and large enjoying a honeymoon with voters. one other newly elected president held hn approval rating below 50% at this point in his presidency.

that was bill clinton at 44% in 1993. all the rest have ranged from 55% to jfk's job approval number of 75%. in addition, some of the underlying numbers would raise concerns would any new administration, especially on questions about trust, judgment, and support from his base. we begin tonight with david chalian. so 38% approval. not good news for this white house tonight. >> there's the big report card, 38%, not a good number at all. we dig in, we look at are people -- where is the strength of this response? in approval or disapproval? take a look here. 24% say they strongly approve. but 47% say they strongly disapprove. so the fervent feeling in this response is on the disapproval side from 2-1 there. then, of course, we take a look at republicans, how is the

president doing amongst his fellow partisans? strongly approve. these are republican onlies, who say they strongly approve. in february, it was 73%. in march, it was 69%. and now in this poll tonight, 59% of republicans strongly approve of the president's job performance. anderson, this is a chink in the armor. >> people -- the poll also asks whether people trust what they hear from the white house. what did it find? >> this is the most astonishing number in the poll. 73% of americans only believe some or nothing at all in terms of what's coming out of the white house in official statements and communications. only a quarter of americans believe most or everything, trust most or everything coming out of the white house. this here is the credibility gap that we talk about so often. this here is the trump trust deficit with americans. he's got to fix this. >> questions also were asked about the president's twitter use.

>> yeah. you might find this really interesting, especially after today. 52%, a majority of americans say his tweets are not effective for sharing his views. a healthy minority here, 45%, say that they actually are effective. but we asked is it a risky way to communicate? 7 in 10 americans say that it is a risky way to communicate. we also ask about what he's responding to. 70% of americans tell us that president trump is too often tweeting in response to what he's watching on television, watching us or others and what he's consuming in the news. >> when it comes to the president's base, he was tweeting about it today that his base is growing. how is he doing with his base? >> that's a good question, anderson. we're not seeing growth or getting stronger as he discussed at all. here we're just looking at white voters without college degrees. this was a key part of the trump base. you remember in november this

helped fuel him to the white house. he won this group by 37 points last november. how is he doing? bringing about needed change, in april, 64% of these voters said yes, he's bringing about needed change. now that's down to 58%. what about managing the government? 62% of white non-college voters said in april that he indeed could manage the government effectively. now that's down to 50%. 50% of his core supporters are now saying he can't manage the government effectively. again, you're seeing a little bit of slippage. >> david, stay right there. i just want to underscore that trust number that david showed. just 24% saying they trust all or most of what they hear in official communications from the white house. one reason could be that this president, just 200 days in office, has said so many things that simply are not true, . this afternoon at 4:15, he

tweeted, the fake news media will not talk about the importance of the united nations's security council vote 15-0. this morning, as we mentioned, he tweeted the trump base is far bigger and stronger than ever, despite fake news polling. the president is free to argue. he can take issue with the latest quinnipiac polling. our numbers also show the president's base is eroding. and it's worth pointing out the president never called the polls fake when he was riding high on them. joining david and me is my panel. alice, when you see these numbers, what jumps out? >> what always comes to mind is when you're on the campaign or in an administration, you see a poll that's not good, you see this is a snapshot in time. unfortunately, you look at the

real clear politics trend, you have the approval line going down and the disapproval line going up. that's not the trajectory you want. and we had kellyanne conway acknowledging this weekend, things need to go up. i think this will be a wakeup call for the administration. they need legislative accomplishments, whether it's repealing obamacare or tax reform. it's not going in the direction they need it to go. >> some of his supporters say if he gets two or three accomplishments, that's fine, that's all he needs. he already has gorsuch. you look at that polling for president clinton was 44%, that's the lowest next to president trump. he got re-elected. >> a couple things about that. we don't see a path or indication that the president's going to do really well in getting anything done in congress. and a lot of his recent tweets have been attacking members of his own party. so if i was the white house, i think you're right, that can help save some of these numbers. but i don't see a lot of that

potential. also for me if i was a republican, the most troubling number is the trust number that you mentioned. as a hillary clinton supporter, we always had a low trust number for her, and in the end, that was part of what eroded all of the other potential in her numbers. it's very hard to overcome that. people seeing you as untrustworthy, particularly this early in your administration. it's really hard to overcome. >> i feel like even during the election, people thought he doesn't tell the truth all the time or exaggerates. but that was baked in. they looked at other issues as more important. >> but i think he was running against hillary clinton, and he was a celebrity, and he also didn't have the baggage of having been president and the expectations of that. there's no way to look at these numbers to spin it and say this is good news. even kellyanne conway isn't doing that. but i do think that it's maybe not as bad as people think. so i agree, i think donald trump

might get something done. might get tax reform done. the economy right now is riding high. if that continues, and it's a big, big if, that's how a lot of people vote is on their pocketbook. and i also think the midterms could end up being good for republicans, not because of donald trump, maybe in spite of donald trump. but the wind is at their back, democrats are defending their seats. this is the big key. you mentioned bill clinton who managed to win without 50% of the vote because there were third party candidates. if i were donald trump's team, my number one priority would be making sure there was a ross perot somehow runs for president. that's what he needs, and he's got some time to make that happen. but a third party candidate might be a nice -- >> it's hard to know in this day and age if a third party candidate, if a business candidate could cut into -- >> it's the only scenario -- you do have the electoral college. he could potentially once again

win the presidency without the popular vote. but otherwise, it's really hard to imagine a scenario whereby you could win re-election at whatever percentage he's at. >> think about it, who's going to do a solid for him and throw themselves out there as a third party candidate when he is famous for throwing people under the bus, and wanting all kinds of loyalty and disregarding it. so i think the likelihood of some hand picked candidate to help him is never going to come to fruition. >> the more likely thing is you'll see an actual challenger, a republican challenger who shows up on the scene. i think this is a very real thing that the white house is also somewhat insecure about, given the statements and the tweets over the last couple of days. and that's partly because i think that's a real risk here that even the people kind of in the middle, those romney voters who were always waffling throughout the entire election, who sided with trump toward the very end, one of the big

frustrations right now are the self-inflicted wounds. they gave trump an opportunity to go out there as a kind of, you know, an outsider or businessman. he was going to approach things very differently. what they see is just chaos. it's hard at this point to up do that perception, because it's been so baked in for six months. the white house and everything around donald trump has been incredibly chaotic. i think both trump's voters will be re-evaluating that. also the republican party is looking at their 2018 and 2020 prospects, saying should we just cut our losses? at some point they'll have to evaluate do we cut our losses, put someone else on the table and see if they can unseat a president who is at low 30s, 33, 35, 38%. like christine and matt said, it's hard to see a president being re-elected at those numbers. >> the poll also asked about turn yo turnover among topped a misers in the white house.

>> 58% of americans say that changing all the turnover among top advisers hurts the administration's effectiveness. only 37% see it as necessary to be effective. so that chaos doesn't seem to be working for him. one other note i wanted to show you on the trust issue you were talking about, look how it's slid by party. republicans slid evenly on this. even among republicans, only 48% of republicans are not believing what they are hearing out of the white house. >> so much of what the president has done has been to try to keep the base loyal. with these numbers, does he need to try to expand that out or does he need to just double down on the base? >> he needs to really do both, because as we saw with the numbers, he's losing some of the gop. i think looking at the big picture, chaos is fine as long as you're accomplishing your legislative agenda. i think as we move down the road

and we have his base and a lot of republicans are satisfied with what he's doing with national security, the sanctions with north korea and venezuela, as well as iran, that's going to move those numbers in my view. also, if he continues with reducing the federal regulations, that will help the stock market. and the people really are concerned about jobs. we're so far out from any election. but if the jobs come in and the economy is more stable, we'll see those numbers go up. >> while he's tweeting, jeff sessions is working at the department of justice undoing a lot of the stuff that obama put in. >> and john kelly was transforming the landscape on immigration. so there are things happening in this administration. but what do people feel? to some extent they're concerned about national security and their feeling of safety in their homes. but less so this regulation thing is kind of -- it's kind of

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criticizing the president and the trump administration for going after leaks. they have been really going on a hunt for leaks inside this administration, and senator blumenthal has been saying we don't want to put a chilling effect on the russia investigation. because of that, the president says, working hard from new jersey. this is the president insisting he's not on vacation. working hard from new jersey, while the white house goes on with planned renovations. then he goes after the senator, saying interesting to watch senator plumblumenthal talk abo the russia investigation. he acknowledged he misled voters about his service in vietnam. but the president received five draft deferments during vietnam, one for bone spurs in his feet. and so one other point we should

add, you mentioned the president's tweets about fake news, he was going after fake news all day long today. later on in the afternoon, he accused the news media of new sa -- of ignoring new sanctions being placed on north korea. >> we have been reporting on that. general john kelly, he was at bedminster with the president this weekend and this morning, correct? >> reporter: he was. and he's expected to come in and out of new jersey over the next couple of weeks. he's going to be with the president throughout this time and essentially this raises the question, of course, wasn't john kelly brought in to maintain discipline and bring order to the west wing? all of these tweets that we've seen so far today, anderson, are an illustration of the fact that the chief of staff can only do so much. he's not the chief of staff overseeing the president of the

united states. so we'll have to see how this plays out. we should point out when the chief of staff was with the president earlier this year in may, when he was the department of homeland security secretary, he joked to the president that he should use a ceremonial sword that he was given at a coast guard commencement to go after the news media. so it's possible that yes, even as the president is tweeting going after fake news and the national news media, he may have the support of his new chief of staff who obviously apparently feels the same way in some respect when it comes to the news media. >> jim acosta, appreciate it. back now with my panel. he's going to continue to do this. >> of course. >> we all know this. >> general kelly, the chief of staff, president trump is the chief of twitter. that's the way it will always be. if you look at it from his perspective.

he has 35 million twitter followers. this is his way to get his message to them. 13 tweets today, the majority had to do with the fake russia story, fake news, and how huge his base is, and how solid his base is. these are messages he doesn't think is getting out through the media, and he's using his twitter following to get his message directly to them. >> and he doesn't want to be stopped from going after people who he thinks are doing harm to him or to his agenda. richard blumenthal has been in his cross hairs from basically the beginning. there's no stopping trump once he decides that you need to be cut down to size from him doing that on his own. those are the kinds of tweets that when you talk to trump aides, they're like, we could probably live without those. but those are the ones that trump thinks are the closest to his personality. >> it is pretty emwhether mable

the president that goes after somebody who was in the military. >> what doesn't help is blatant hypocrisy. so he's on vacation for 17 days. twice as long as president obama vacationed in his first year in office. he spent 24% of his first 200 days at a trump golf property or resort. he claims that all this golfing is to cut deals. but we've seen no deals effectively implemented in congress. so you have that hypocrisy, and senator blumenthal should never have misled people, but he took responsibility for that, which the president does not when he misleads people. so you have a draft dodger attacking someone who did serve in the military during vietnam, although not in vietnam. i think this piling on hypocrisy is going to further erode his trust numbers. and that's very dangerous for him and very good for the democrats. >> i think for me the big thing

is, the big question is, what does this say about general kelly. my take is, he is a general, not a magician. i do not think that this tells us much, i don't think that this says that the chief of staff isn't improving things. there are a lot of things -- first of all, donald trump is a 71-year-old billionaire who is clearly difficult to manage, even if he were his boss, and the chief of staff is not his boss. but there are a lot of things you might want to get under control and reign in if you're the chief of staff. get the president to quit attacking the republican attorney general. maybe get your staff -- >> which he has done. >> which he has done. so there's a lot of low-hanging fruit, and it may just be that this is -- you're not going to get donald trump to stop attacking democrats. >> kelly's larger focus, seems

like it was about unifying the west wing, so it's not like curbing the president's twitter habits was his number one priority? >> right. john kelly being in on meetings, on the phone, listening when the president is talking to his staff to make sure he's taking notes, that all the staff reports to him. that kind of discipline can still work to get a more effective operation in the west wing. but yes, the tweets probably aren't going anywhere. i would note, his tweets today may have been within the guidelines given to him. he wasn't taking on his fellow republicans. he wasn't exposing himself to further legal complications by going after mueller or threatening to fire him. he was going after democrats, going after the news media. those are things that people in his world don't think are so terrible. >> does it hurt for him to go after any senator, even a democrat senator, does that hurt him on capitol hill?

>> i think it does hurt him. one of the things he's attacked all of congress and he desperately needs to get either health care or tax policy passed. he's not going to do that without some democratic support. so look, senator schumer has done a very good job keeping the democrats in line, which is not easy. and things like this are only going to put the democrats more in lock step, which is going to make it very hard for him to do anything. and that's critical to the re-election and -- >> this is a level two on the trumpometer. by trump standards, pretty good. >> it's not yet, though. it's monday. and we haven't even gotten to tuesday, wednesday, thursday. so we don't know what he's going to do tomorrow. and i don't think we know based on what his tweets were today that he's holding back in any way. just the subject matter today happened to be something slightly different. one thing about the democrats, one thing that you talk to trump

voters about his tweets, they say it's just not befitting of the office. they don't necessarily like him going after really anybody in these kinds of personal terms. it was final in the campaign because it was a candidate. now that he's president, even his own supporters want him to do a different thing. so that's the real problem here in addition to the other issues whether he can get democrats on his side. coming up, the president says his base and bigger and better before. no doubt he has plenty of fans. i'm going to speak with dana lash about what she's hearing from her listeners and trump supporters, next.

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as we reported in the beginning of the report, the president's approval rating has hit a new low. our new polling puts it at 38%, down from 44% in april. just among republicans, 26% say their confidence has decreased. the president tweeted today his base is getting stronger and far bigger and stronger than ever before, despite what he calls the fake news russia story.

joining me now is dana lohse. this approval rating, the real clear politics showing an average, even among some of hisser if vent supporters, is that in line with what you're hearing from people calling into your radio show from trump supporters? >> anderson, thanks for having me. yes and no. some of his most ardent supporters i think are going to support him no matter what. but we have to remember that the base that we're so often referring to, this is a new base for the republican party. case in point, i just use as a quick example west virginia. so in west virginia last election, democrats outnumbered republicans by a good amount, but yet -- i think it was 2-1. but 41-point margin between trump and clinton and trump took that state. these are blue collar voters. republicans haven't had a lot of these blue collar union voters for some time. so they'll have to work at

keeping this coalition that they've managed to very carefully build with this new administration. however, as far as the low approval ratings, one of the things i kind of hear a little bit, it's not so much frustration at the president's decisions so much as it's the frustration between the relationship between the president and congress. there is a lot of anger at members of congress right now. a lot. because so many individuals feel that here you have the president and congress not working together, be it on health care, be it on budget, on tax reform. a lot of people who call in, they wonder where is everything that we're hearing about immigration? i notice from looking at the poll that immigration, of course, this is one concern of a lot of the people that were included in this sample. really, the more that congress kind of doddles, the more it will reflect poorly upon the president, because a lot of people are really putting faith in the president and his ability to work with congress. >> which is interesting. first of all, on immigration, you can make the argument that

he's had a lot of effect on the numbers of people trying to cross into this country illegally. whether -- you can argue about the funding for the wall, but just on sheer numbers of people coming across, he's had an impact on that is fair to say. which is a success. >> you're right. >> they probably don't make the most of. but the president's tweets this morning that his base is bigger, stronger than ever before, is that just an attempt to say basically nothing to see here, because even kellyanne conway yesterday admitted the president's approval rating among supporters needs to go up. do you think it needs to go to shore up those who voted for him or to expand to more traditional republicans who voted for him originally to make sure they don't change their minds? >> right. i think a little bit of both. to shore up with that base but also to expand with other republicans. look, we know when you have somebody that gets into the white house, it becomes a

package deal. there's a lot of stuff that we saw a democrat congress do attributed to reagan, also with george w. bush. it also becomes a package deal. whatever is going on in congress, the president is ultimately going to have to wear that yolk. so this is what is happening right now with this president. on immigration, i've spoken to a number of border chiefs. illegal entries are decreasing, but a lot of stuff, and sometimes the media, and we talked about in terms of focus on russia and the other stuff, people want to hear about the other issues. a lack of getting into what the president is doing on immigration or maybe even perhaps with regulations and how he's cutting a lot of -- really kind of getting into a lot of what makes government bloated and big government, cutting those regulations, trying to reduce the size of federal government, there hasn't been a lot of coverage on that. at the same time, all the stuff that congress messes up on, that's going to get hung on the president, as well. i feel like the president and

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escalating tensions tonight on the korean me nijs lpeninsul. north korea is vowing to retaliate against the u.s. the security council voted unanimously to impose new penalties. this is the seventh u.n. security council since 2006 aimed at curbing its nuclear militarization. but these are the toughest so far. brian todd has more. >> reporter: from kim jong-un, biting insults. his regime referring to the u.s. as gangsters and a threat from one of his news anchors. >> translator: there's no bigger mistake than the united states believing that its land is safe across the ocean. >> reporter: kim's regime is lashing out at the u.s. for pushing through a tough new round of economic sanctions from the united nations against pyongyang. choking off north korea's coal, iron and other exports. after leading that charge, ambassador nikki haley talked even tougher on cnn. >> we're prepared to do whatever

it takes to defend ourselves and our allies. we have tried to say multiple times that all options are on the table. >> reporter: among those options, so-called preventative war, according to h.r. mcmaster. but at the same time, the president's chief diplomat signals a potential opening. >> the best signal that north korea can give us that they're prepared to talk is to stop these missile launches. >> reporter: that appears to inch back from america's long-held stance that the u.s. would only negotiate if pyongyang abandons its nuclear program. >> it makes sense to allow for those conditions. the challenge, though, from what we've seen is north korea has not given any indication they're interested in talking. >> reporter: analysts say the hard line of one side of trump's administration with a softer approach from the other is a carrot and stick tactic to get north korea's dictator to stop

acting so aggressively. >> you can see defense and hard line core save pressure on one hand, and diplomacy on the other hand, trying to bring north korea back to the negotiating table. >> reporter: but experts say that could be risky, depending on how kim jong-un reads it. >> for our adversaries, they may think the united states is not coordinated and not committed to this issue. for the allies, they may see the u.s. is not necessarily committed to this and may act in ways they would not be comfortable with. >> reporter: the concern tonight is that all this diplomatic jockeying in such a critical moment might lead kim jong-un or president trump or one of america's allies in the region to miscalculate, take a certain signal the wrong way and launch a military action that might make things spiral out of control. anderson? >> brian, thank you very much. i want to bring in cnn's fareed

zakaria. this seems like a big win for the trump administration. >> it is a big win for the trump administration. they were willing to make some compromises. it was not as touch as the trump administration originally wanted. they had to water it down to get the chinese on board. but the fundamental game here is not about getting u.n. security council resolutions passed. there have been many, many passed. >> enforcing them. >> it's enforcing them, and in particular, getting the chinese to enforce them. that's the only thing that matters. north korea is a totally isolated economy. it has one patron. china provides 50% of its food and 90% of its fuel. they're the only ones that can shut off the supply. so far they haven't. because they have real strategic concerns. they worry about an imploding north korea. they worry about millions of refugees. they worry about a unified korea, which would have american troops, and a treaty alliance with america.

>> if north korea fell, it's total instability for china, or unified with the south, and that's not good for china either. >> this is not the chinese being rogue. this is the chinese having a different interests. unless we have dialogue with them at the highest levels, it's not about them being kind of recalcitrant but what is this new world going to look like if north korea implodes? >> north korea is saying some tough rhetoric, we heard it from them before. but it does seem like they are on the move towards nuclear capability. >> it seems as if north korea has always viewed its nuclear policy to ensure the survival of the regime. this is a regime that's lasted 75 years. it's outlasted the soviet union and every arab dictatorship that

was swept aside in the arab spring. that's what they focus on. so i don't think they're going to commit suicide. but there are dangers of miscalculation. >> you have a special report coming up at 9:00 called "why trump won." you're kind of breaking it down? >> so what we really tried to ask is, everybody -- we're trying to inform people here. everybody thinks they already know. everybody has their own feeling. no, the real question, what did trump tap into in forget hillary and comey and the russians. a candidate like trump shouldn't have even gotten close. he beat 16 qualified republicans. he then beat hillary clinton who five years earlier was the most admired woman in america. how did that happen? what were the forces in america that he tapped into that allowed him to become their tribune? as one of the guys who we

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vice president mike pence is strongly denying with the "new york times" that he will not run for president in 2020 if the president runs for a second term. he put out a report that said laughable and absurd. certainly a big reaction to a single story in a big newspaper. >> it probably had more attention than it otherwise would have gotten, but i'm sure the president thought -- vice p thought it painted him as disloyal. the story was about the shadow campaigns that several republicans are running to build

their profiles with gop activates and donors just in case donald trump isn't on the ballot for 2020. you mentioned the adjectives in the vice president's statement which, by the way, he released on a sunday. i want our viewers to hear the whole thing. today's article in the "new york times" is "disgraceful and offensive to me, my family and our entire team. the allegations in this article are categorically false and represent just the latest attempt by the media to divide this administration. it didn't end there. the vice president's secretary fanned out on cable news today, on conservative radio to continue that pushback all day long. >> it wouldn't be abnormal for a vice president to be in touch with his or her political network while serving in the white house, right? >> not at all. that's precisely what the vice president's team is arguing, that the vice president's

efforts hosting donors at the naval observatory where he lives, raising money for his pac, traveling to the first caucus state of iowa for a high-profile event with joni ernst, the senator there, it's all for helping the president, joni ernst, and he wanted the vice president to return the favor. pence has experience interfacing with these people which trump doesn't. the thing that really got the vice president and his team was the graph the "the times" telling donors and other keo fish -- key officials was really doing was preparing for himself and not trump. they have sources saying it's not true, insisting that it's solid. i ist. >> it's not the most effective way to make a story go away.

or is this for the audience of one, the president of the united states, to see that vice president pence is fighting against this? >> there is that, and there is no doubt that kind of over the top statement probably would have been sunday morning chatter and moved on from there. they knew that when they made that calculation. it also, by the way, if you believe the times reporting, keeping this story out there is part of making donors and activists aware that mike pence has a political future for himself irrespective of anything having to do with donald trump. >> other senators, ben sass, john kasich, also making moves to a 2020 bid. >> yes. look, and all those republican politicians have definitely done some of the things that the vice president has done, going to iowa, getting ready with a book,

a political action committee. in the case of john kasich, more than one. and so, yes, there is no question that it's sort of the bench, the republican bench gearing up, being ready, understanding that in politics it is all about timing, and the time may come when you least expect it and you got to be ready at any time. certainly barack obama is a key lesson for any politician in that story there. so that is going on, and again, it is not so much that they think that maybe they'll challenge president trump in a primary for 2'22. they see the tumult in the administration, and they just don't know what's going to happen because things are so unusual.

>> it lays bare that there is no fear of donald trump among their fellow partisans. the timing of this, yes, dana is totally right. these are the kinds of moves that you would expect people with visions of their future to make, but the fact that it's six and a half months into a young administration says they fear no retribution at all and that gives in to his weakened political state at the moment. >> thanks very much. we'll be right back. talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients

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you're not necessarily cut out to be that kind of a person. >> how did that donald trump become this donald trump? >> i'd like to punch him in the face, i tell you. >> fascinating evolution. a remarkable story. time now for "why trump won." >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. [ chanting ] >> excuse me. i can hear all of you over there, thank you.