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cnn learned of an unannounced raid on paman afort apartment. >> stay tuned. >> this is a new day with chris cuomo. >> good morning, north korea appears to have crossed president trump's red line. they have a new threat.
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specific details they are giving outlining their plan to fire several ballistic missiles into the water near guam, dismissing his fire and fury warning. >> meanwhile, the trump administration is sending various messages, secretary tillerson trying to assure americans they can sleep well while defense secretary mattis warns of a scenario that could lead to the destruction of the north korean regime and its people. so we have it all covered for you with the global resources of cnn. let's begin with cnn's will riply. he is the western journalist who has spent the most time in north korea. what is the latest, will? >> reporter: well, this is really an extraordinary statement from the north koreans. there obviously is a key difference from putting down here this highly technical plan of launching these ballistic
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missiles toward guam and being able to execute that plan. if they do that, it would be the most provocative north korean missile test they have done. they are spelling out clearly, saying the missile would have a range of at least 2,300 miles. that would put guam within the missile's range, 2,100 miles from the peninsula. it could fly to guam in under 20 minutes and north korea is saying they want to put these missiles down in the waters less than 20 miles from this island of more than 160,000 american citizens, and also the staging area for 6,000 troops. an anderson air force base, key mlt assets and these missiles coming close. north koreans also mocking president trump, saying his fire and fury remarks made from his golf course are a load of nonsense. saying the president doesn't grasp the severity of the situation on the corian peninsula. these are personal insults against the president.
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even this quote from general kim yong saying, quote, sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy berest of reason and only absolute force can work on him. so clearly, north korea upping the ante here, stepping things up. and north korea staging this massive rally in their capital city of pyongyang. tens of thousands of people, it can fill up very quickly with citizens who are required to attend these events, chanting anti u.s. slogans, denouncing the round of sanctions. all of this designed to project force and threaten the united states and perhaps directly president trump for his words, the last lines of the statement, saying we will keep closely watching the speech and behavior of the united states. north korea saying they will not accept what they heard from the white house this week, but will respond and fight back. chris? >> very interesting, will. the spin there. they are obviously the p
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provocatives in this situation. north korea is saying they are planning to launch missiles into the waters near guam. guam is a u.s. territory. and they say they're going to do it within days. the pentagon is preparing a preemptive attack against pyongyang, involving launching b-1b bombers from the anderson air force base, which is in guam. cnn's ivan watson is live there with more. what is the mood in guam with all of this hot talk? >> reporter: there is absolute no panic here, chris. but there is concern. i spoke with one woman who said that she's had to tell her 6 and 8-year-old children how to react in the event that the sirens go off, either because of a drill or worst-case scenario, missiles on their way here.
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the governor of gouam insists te threat level has not been magnified at all as a result of these north korean threats against this island. he points out that there is a substantial defense umbrella that the u.s. military maintains in the western pacific between here and north korea. a missile would have to fly over south korea, japan. to get here, the u.s. has bases, missile defense systems in those countries and in the ocean. and guam also has the thaad missile defense system since 2013. the bay behind me was full of people snorkeling full of tourists from asian countries like japan and korea today, chris. people who have flown in, in the last 24 hours. people whose countries, whose territories, are much closer to north korean missiles and perhaps they are -- that's a reason why they're not afraid
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when north korea makes threats, the likes of which this part of the world has seen before. >> sounds like it, ivan. really interesting context from guam for us. thank you very much. so the white house offering seemingly mixed messages when it comes to the north korean crisis. president trump and defense secretary mattis with aggressive warnings to the kim jong un regime and tillerson says america can sleep well tonight. let's bring in barbara starr. what's the latest? >> good morning. when you talk about preemptive strikes against north korea, what the pentagon emphasizes, it's a little more knew anlsed th than that. it's not just an expression. they mean it. all military options are available at all times to any president. no indication, as we stand here this morning, that a preemptive strike is coming any time soon. but it's something all worth watching. and some of the confusion may be
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because of the words we're hearing out of the administration. they are emphasizing behind the scenes still very much on a diplomatic track. but when you listen to the president, you get a very different impression. so let's listen again to what president trump and the secretary of state have had to say. >> north korea best not make anymore threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >> i think americans should sleep well at night, have no concerns about this particular rhetoric of the last few days. >> maybe sleep well at night after you try and figure out what everybody is really saying here. the secretary of defense weighed in with his own statement, saying in part, the dprk must choose to stop isolating itself and stand down its pursuit of nuclear weapons. the dprk should cease any
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consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people. secretary mattis very well-known to be an advocate for a diplomatic solution. but making clear there, if there isn't a diplomatic solution, coming back full circle, all mlt military options are always on the table. chris? >> barbara, thank you very much. president trump isn't talking about this north korean crisis today. instead once again attacking the man he needs to get anything done in the senate. cnn's joe johns is live in bridgewater, new jersey, with the latest. and we have been feeling the fire and the fury this morning on twitter and gone after mitch mcconnell. >> that's right, chris. very unusual public feud between the president of the united states and the republican majority leader of the united states senate. and this is all about the so far
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unsuccessful attempts to repeal and replace obamacare. let's look at the president's tweet this morning. can you believe that mitch mcconnell, who has screamed repeal and replace for seven years, couldn't get it done, must repeal and replace obamacare with an exclamation mark there. first, it is no secret that the president has had zero ability to persuade the republican senators to vote for the bill the last time it came before the senate. that said, it's also true that over the last 24 hours, the president has tweeted twice now about mitch mcconnell. though you can say, in some ways, mitch mcconnell started all of this with some remarks he made in his home state of kentucky before the rotary club. listen. >> our new president -- of course, i've been in this line of work before. and i think had excessive
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expectations about how quickly things happen. in the democratic process. >> reporter: what's striking about this is that our sarah murray reports, the president and mitch mcconnell had a telephone call just yesterday. that conversation was described as animated over some of these very same issues. but what seems clear right now, at least, is that the president and the man the president needs to push his agenda through the senate haven't buried the hatchet yet. chris nelson, back to you. >> let's bring in the panel. john avlon, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics, and john kirby. and we need to have an operating assumption here. do we go after the president's words and try to figure out what he's saying on a regular basis? yes. and is this situation like every other one? no. and why? because, john, we're talking about an unstable mad man who is running north korea.
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and if you poke at that with the fire and the fury, it's different than what he is saying about mitch mcconnell or about us or about anybody else. because we don't have nuclear warheads. >> right. this is where the idea that words matter, presidential words matter, starts to get weaponized, if you will. because it's one thing to be throwing hand grenades around the calls of washington, rhetorically and angering people for no reason. but as you say, you're dealing with a country that effectively is a cult. and it's a nuclear power. and all of a sudden to be firing off phrases that sound really tough to you but have real world meaning in geo political strategy without any connection or coordination with the pentagon or national security team, he's been doing a pretty good job on this issue, but proactively is really just irresponsible and is an example of why you've got to watch your words and be responsible as president. if you're unwilling to do that, you're going to create a ton of problems for yourself and the world. >> john kirby, you've heard our
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guests this morning, as well as president trump and his supporters say this is all president obama's fault. this strategic patience that he preached. this is what got us into this mess and finally some strong words will get kim jong un's attention. as well as all this discussion about strategic patience. i think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of what strategic patience was all about. first of all, it was never a doctrine. number two, something the entire international community signed up to. not just the united states, this wasn't pushed by president obama. the u.n. adopted this idea of trying to work to galvanize
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pressure against pyongyang. >> i guess the point is, it didn't work. >> no, of course it didn't work. and there's no question. and i don't begrudge the president for bemoaning the situation that he has found himself in and what he has inherited. this is much more dangerous than any other president has had to deal with. and to john's excellent point, i think his national security team has done a commendable job trying to put together a multilateral international, interagency approach to solving this problem. it is all rendered harder when he goes off and pops the way he did at the golf course the other day about fire and fury. that undermines the very good effort that his team has t actually put forward. >> ab, this is simple logically in terms of why it's so different, why it deserves analysis. you're going feel the fire and fury. okay. so now they fire the missiles. let's say they do it. god forbid, let's say they basically get where they want them to go. well now what? what does fire and fury mean?
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now you have set yourself a situation. you want to call it a red line, you call it whatever you want. but now he's going to have to do something, and we heard, senator ron johnson, he is here to talk health care, but said, hey, look, they can't threaten us like that. of course. of course you don't want to be threatened. but what are you going to do, what do these words mean? how much meat has to be put on those bones for the american people? >> well, that's what everyone is waiting to find out. it was a red line. and the failure of strategic patience doesn't call for some off-the-cuff remarks that essentially is winging it without consulting with the team about the most measured and calibrated and deliberate way out rhetorically, as a next step. they don't seem to have an actual strategy, except to blame the past and try to talk tougher. but you can talk tough about consequences without doing what president trump did. the american people have no
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idea, it looks like the ball is in our court. what comes next. and i think that the administration right now, we know, chris, as we speak, is struggling to try to really contain the damage done by those remarks and the fact that the north koreans are now mocking the president of the united states. >> right. but north koreans sort of, you know, do propagandaistic bluster. but we don't expect it to be returned in kind from the leader of the free world. i think the point you're making, is it a red line? no, it's a threat off-the-cuff tough-guy talk. the problem is, there is no connection to strategy. and there shouldn't be, because nuclear threats are something that we don't generally indulg in. our tradition has been teddy roosevelt, speak softly and carry a big stick. or jfk reading the guns of august and realizing the unintended consequences of escalation and tough guy talk from great powers.
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the absence of a historical p . perspective, responsible restraint in presidential rhetoric could set off a cascading series of events, which is bad for the world, bad for the united states. but let's not treat this as a red line. it was an off-the-cuff tough guy comment that now the rest of the administration is trying to contain. >> john? >> that's right. and it was unclear whether -- when he said -- when they continue to threaten whether he meant a physical threat, since it's a natural launch or a verbal threat. so it was very unclear. and i'll throw another historical pkt out there. general omar bradley said the only way to win a nuclear war is to prevent it. that's what i think his team is trying to do. >> look, the proof that it was not as deliberate as we may think is -- look where his head is today. this is the beauty of social media with the president of the united states. he retweets something from the fox talk show in the morning about what mattis had said. and then he retweets a poll about who is a better president,
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him or obama. and then going after mitch mcconnell. so i guess the good news is, if you were worried, this is a suggestion of all-out warfare, he doesn't seem to be that preoccupied with the topic. so i guess people worried about that eventualliality, he's got other things on his mind. and let's talk about mitch mcconnell. this man is absolutely fundamental to everything the president wants to get done. going after him in public, while he may have a fair frustration -- look at that -- if it is a fair frustration -- what's the risk? >> let's start with the fact it's not president trump's fault the republicans can't come together and pass a fix for obamacare. and obviously the senate majority leader was expressing some frustration in prublic whih the president didn't appreciate.
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this public shaming of him twice now on twitter, not helping the president, leads to a few things. one, much more trouble on the horizon in september when they have to get through really excruciating deadlines on the debt ceiling and budget, et cetera. really doesn't pore tend well for a very tough challenge on tax reform. and finally, depressing republican votes. and if he wants to wake up after the midterm elections and find that nancy pelosi is speaker and she has subpoena power, he might just get that. >> it also shows how thin the president's skin is. this seems to be in response to a fairly inokay allows comment mitch mcconnell made, and he responds by going nuclear, if you will, on twitter. and shows john kelly, supposed to be monitoring the president's tweets and restraining him, the
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president has a feeling, you're not the boss of me. >> panel, thank you all very much. meanwhile, north korea responding to president trump's warning. but are they sending a clear message? we have a republican congressman, next.
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the tensions between the u.s. and north korea seem to be intensifying by the day. the reclusive regime's new plan now threatens to fire several
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ballistic missiles into the waters near guam. how will president trump respond? joining us now is republican congressman, tom cole of oklahoma, he is the deputy house whip. good morning, congressman. >> morning, allison. >> do you have a sense of what president trump would do if north korea makes good on its plan that it has now put out in paper to fire these intermediate ballistic missiles into the waters off of guam? >> no, i don't. but i think, frankly, the president made his point and made it very clearly, the north koreans should understand they engage in provocative actions, there will be consequences to that. i don't think it would do him any good or anybody else to speculate what that might be. he's got a wide range of options as the president of the united states, and he's got a great set of advisers around him. i think he'll choose wisely. >> do you think that the president's fire and fury comments are helpful, or are increasing tension? >> i don't think they're increasing tensions at all. frankly. i think he meant to be crystal
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clear to the north koreans. and i think that was probably a good thing. more importantly, i think, it also sent a message to china where it seems to be lost on everybody. he's had more success than anybody else in getting the chinese to take this seriously. so i think -- >> but what is that, crystal? sorry to interrupt. >> well, the clarity -- >> what does fire and fury men? >> well, heaven, if north korea was to attack, you know, american citizens on the island of guam, american military installations, or, frankly, was to attack our allies in south korea or japan, they ought to know, they ought to understand, there will be an immediate retaliatory response. we have treaty obligations to those two countries, and we obviously have an obligation to our own citizens in guam. so there shouldn't be any doubt in their mind. and i think that's exactly what the president meant to do. >> but if they just fire missiles into the water off of guam, should the u.s. take any
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action? >> i -- well, again, i'll leave that to the president and his advisers. but i think i would make clear in some way, fashion or form that that's not acceptable. you know, is the next step they'll fire missiles into the water off san francisco? of course not. that doesn't mean you have to do a direct attack, but does mean you need to have some form of consequences. and, again, i think the president is bringing other countries into this in a way with all due respect for what we've tried in the past and not succeeded. getting the russians and the chinese to vote with the united states on the sanctions resolution earlier this week at the u.n. was a major achievement. and -- but i think that was done in part because he's projected to those powers. the consequences here are pretty serious. nobody is threatening china in this way. nobody is threatening russia in this way. the united states shouldn't be forced to accept these kinds of threats, either. >> i want to move on to the seeming public -- feud is probably too strong. but the president is criticizing
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senate majority leader mitch mcconnell for comments that -- that mitch mcconnell said about the president not quite understanding or not having enough patience with the legislative process this morning. president trump tweeted, can you believe that mitch mcconnell, who has screamed repeal and replace for seven years couldn't get it done? must repeal and replace obamacare. why do you think that the president is going after mitch mcconnell, who he needs for any legislative victory? >> well, probably a pretty silly thing for a congressman to get in a dispute between the president and the majority leader in the united states senate. so i certainly wouldn't take sides for something like that. but i will say this. i really do believe this was a congressional failure. this was not a presidential failure. and republicans of all stripes need to look in the mirror and recognize that. we made this commitment for seven years. we got it through the house, and i'm proud that we did. it was a struggle. i'm really disappointed and i'm sorry that my friends in the senate weren't able to be more
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successful. but this belongs at the feet of the republicans in congress. it does not belong at the feet of the president of the united states. could he have done more? sure. are there things i would recommend he would do? of course. but at the end of the day, we should have been able to have a bill that could pass both houses and go to his desk. and we know he would have signed anything that we could have put there. >> i understand that you don't want to wade into this public spat between mitch mcconnell and the president. but don't they need each other? >> they absolutely do. frankly, all republicans need one another. it's not like we're going to get any help on the other side on something like this. and so you've got to have a high degree of cohesion within your conference. we were able to achieve that in the house. sadly, they weren't able to achieve that in the senate. and you need a president with all the influence a president has and the megaphone that's available to any president of the united states out there making the argument to the american people. so, you know, we've got to do a much better job in coordinating. and as one of your previous
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commentators said, september is a very big month for us. we've got to get a budget, we've got to finish the appropriations process in the house. we've got to navigate the debt ceiling situation and we've got to unveil and start the argument over tax reform. so this isn't a time we need to throw rocks at one another. but it is a time to recognize we did not get done what we needed to do, and we've got to up our game. and if we don't, we'll -- there will be consequences for that. and in november of 2018. >> rest up. september is coming. congressman tom cole, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thank you, allison. >> and, you know what, look, it's a little bit of a joke, but a little bit not. we keep dealing with the similar dynamic with the president. is he being unpredictable as strategy, or as part of our bottom line? we're going to discuss whether the erratic nature of what the president says is often a burden. we'll talk about it, next. it's time for a getaway. the lincoln summer invitation is on. now get our best offers of the season. on the agile mkc.
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all right. so the white house said that president trump's fire and fury comment, his warning to north korea, was not scripted. it was off-the-cuff. also this morning, the president is once again attacking senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. let's get the bottom line from david chalian. david, i'm interesting in that fire and fury comment. because it did seem as though it was very deliberate. the president delivered it twice. it was very deliberate. how -- why do we believe that it wasn't -- that he and bannon didn't work that out beforehand? >> we believe what our sources are telling us, which is that if -- while the idea of having a strong response was a planned strategy, his exact words were chosen off-the-cuff and the notes in front of him were about the opioid crisis, which is what the event was about, that he was doing. so the words themselves were we're being told, were indeed the president's own choosing and
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off-the-cuff. but you are right, there was a strategy for a very muscular, strong response. i think the specific words that he used is what caused tillerson and mattis to come in the day after and try to get it back into the box of not just rhetoric, but what does this mean towards policy. >> but what does it mean towards policy? what we're getting now is, well, it doesn't have to mean military. it doesn't have to mean force. it could mean that it's just tough talk, and that that's what this kind of mad man in north korea will respond to. is that the best reckoning at this point? >> i mean, really, that's a question not for me, but for the administration, chris. >> i'm asking you, david chalian. >> i know you are. but it is -- but i think it is the question we need to continue to be asking. i don't think they have been able to sort of lay out in these last 48 hours or so a little less than that, since the president made those comments, sort of what this does mean for
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a strategy, to fully define how they're going to approach this problem beyond the rhetoric. it seemed, actually -- seems like we're going backwards a little bit, right? there was the sanctions vote in the u.n. over the weekend, which seemed to be part of a strategic step here. but then the rhetoric came in, and now i feel the burden is on the administration to come out and put the pieces together of how this is going to fit into the broader vision, strategically, for what they want to accomplish. >> and how does it put more pressure on china than ever before? we heard that a couple of times -- >> and that he was actually telegraphing a message to china. >> how? >> they don't want a war. >> right. so is that the play? that by saying i'm going unleash fire and fury, the likes of which the world has never seen, china will be like, whoa, we better step up? is that likely? is that the calculus? >> that may be part of the thinking here. we all know that china is the critical player here with the influence they can wield, that china can wield. the one thing about the -- if the entire policy is geared towards china, to me, that is
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what the bush administration did, the obama administration did -- that's been u.s. policy, is to get china to fix this problem for the united states and its allies in japan and south korea and what have you. that hasn't seemed to be working. so it can't all be geared to getting china to act, or there is nothing new there. why would we think china will behave differently this time around? >> so the president was tweeting this morning various things. one of them, he was -- >> not about this. >> not about -- not about north korea, which might go to americans being able to sleep, say, comfortably tonight. but -- mitch mcconnell can't, because the senate majority leader is again being criticized by the president. can you believe that mitch mcconnell, who has screamed repeal and replace for seven years couldn't get it done? must repeal and replace obamacare. so he's annoyed, obviously, that, you know, look, the congress did have seven years to come up with a plan. mitch mcconnell couldn't get it done. but how does it help to have this public spat with mitch mcconnell? >> i'm not sure it does. first and foremost, imagine if
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you are secretary chow, elaine chao, and you wake up and your boss is saying this about your husband. that's an odd moment, as well. yes, i don't think this is that helpful for what the president wants to accomplish in the senate. i look back at how president trump and his team handled lisa murkowski at the end of the battle for the senate bill that went down. it was this kind of posture, this kind of tough take them on sort of try to use the power to shame the republican in some way of his twitter feed or in direct phone with her to be tough. and what emerged? a no vote from her. she was one of three that scuttled the bill. so i don't know that this is going to be the most effective way to get mitch mcconnell to bend to your will and get your agenda through congress. my guess, is, it is not the best way to do that. but one the president clearly feels is available to him to vent some frustration here. >> chalian is very well-sourced. are you hearing what i'm
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hearing, that mcconnell is not a man who takes to being roughed up in public well, and that he's not a man who forgets it quickly, either? >> well, those two characteristics are certainly true about mitch mcconnell. i also don't think he's a man, you know -- you talk to people around him. he's not one to take the bait here, either. so i don't imagine he's going to get in a very public back and forth with the president over this. but i do think he's going to file this away and remember it for a long time. >> okay, david chalian, thank you very much for the bottom line. great to talk to you. >> you too. listen to this story. texas lineman and cancer survivor david quessenberry, making an emotional comeback to the nfl. his triumphant return in the bleacher report, next. i'll clock in... sensing and automatically adjusting to your every move. there. i can also help with this. does your bed do that? i'm the new sleep number 360 smart bed. let's meet at a sleep number store. duncan just protected his family with a $500,000 life insurance policy.
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launch four ballistic missiles near the waters off guam. president trump once again attacking senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, over the defeat on health care. the president tweeting that mcconnell screamed repeal and replace for serven years, couldn't get it done. staffers at the u.s. embassy in havana attacked by a covert, acoustic device. this attack caused them to suffer hearing loss and concussion-like symptoms. the fbi investigating. hurricane franklin weakening to a tropical storm and making landfall over eastern mexico. the storm packing gusty winds and torrential rain, flash flooding does remain a concern. taylor swift's mother took the stand in her daughter's trial. she is accusing a former radio host of groping her in 2013. the deejay denies the account, saying he may have touched her ribs. the case resumes later today. for more on the five things to know, you can go to cnn.com/newday for the latest. fresh off winning the national championship at
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my abwill i have pain andating made daibloating today?ing game. my doctor recommended ibgard to manage my ibs. take control. ask your doctor about nonprescription ibgard. in a predawn raid, fbi agents seized materials from the home of former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, as part of the ongoing russia investigation. sources tell cnn, the raid, quote, rattled a few cages of trump's inner circle. let's discuss. we've got jeffrey toobin, cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, and ken cuccinel cuccinelli, president of the senate conservatives fund. gentlemen, thank you. jeffrey toobin, set the stage. the idea of getting a warrant to go and search a man's house is not just a whim of the special counsel. what did they need in order to gain that access? >> to be sure, chris. what the legal requirement was
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and is, is that the prosecutors went to a magistrate and said, we have probable cause to believe that there is evidence of a crime in the home of paul manafort. the magistrate agreed, signed the warrant and allowed them to conduct this search. you know, in practical terms, this is the first clear signal that mueller sees criminal activity in his investigation. he's investigating it, and i think notwithstanding what paul manafort's lawyers have said, the mueller people do not believe that he is cooperating, being honest with them, turning over all the documents he said he would. so they're going in there and taking them. the goal seems to be to get the goods on manafort and then get him to flip and disclose what he knows, if anything, about wrongdoing by others, perhaps higher up. >> ken, how do you mitigate that perception, that they had to go
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into his house because he's not going along with it, and this is bad for manafort? >> right. well, look, no law enforcement officer on earth ever believes someone involved in an investigation who says i'm fully cooperating. they can't. i mean, you would be a chump as a law enforcement official, wouldn't you? oh, gosh, he told me he gave me everything and he didn't. but one thing, chris, that a lot of your viewers don't know, the federal government can go look at your bank records, my bank records, they can go look at jeffrey's bank records now for no reason at all thanks to rulings from the supreme court in the '70s. they can do the same with your phone records. and manafort has a long and rather ugly trail with russian money from his work in ukraine. so he's a natural starting point for this. he failed to disclose foreign bank accounts that he had for a year, as we know. he recently disclosed those, way beyond the legal limit.
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and so he is an easy person to get the probable cause met with for that magistrate, in my view. so it's a logical starting point. no law enforcement official ever believes everyone is completely cooperating. and they have access to our bank and phone records and our businesses without the need of a warrant, which i don't think is the way the fourth amendment should be. but that's the law today. and so that's where they have started. and otherwise, i generally agree with jeffrey in terms of why they started here. >> well, what do we make of the tactic, jeffrey, in terms of this kind of public shaming of paul manafort? >> well, i don't know that it's public. remember, it was intended to be public. it was -- this raid took place july 26th and only came out in the "washington post" this week. >> we knew it would come out. >> they knew it would come out. i think the message was not so much to the public. the message was to manafort, which was, if you think we are satisfied with your cooperation, you are very wrong.
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plus, you know, once you go into someone's house and have a search warrant -- the warrant itself is not public yet. but almost certainly, it will require his devices, his phones, his computer. once they get access to that, that is a trove of information. a search warrant can get to a phone, and that could open up all sorts of avenues for new information. it's really, though, mostly a message to manafort that if you think we are leaving you alone, you are very mistaken. and we think we have evidence that there is criminal activity that you're involved in. that's how they got the warrant. >> ken, what are the main issues you want people to keep in mind about what matters in this probe, vis-a-vis manafort? >> well, vis-a-vis manafort, manafort can stand alone on his own, as his own potential criminal problem. remember, he had years of
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interaction in ukraine with the russians, with pro-russian y ukrainians and the russians directly. he made a lot of money. it was striking to me when i read the first article on the raid. it said raided "a home" of paul manafort. that's not the antecedent most of us have. for most of us, it's "the home" of paul manafort. he made a lot of money in ukraine working on behalf of pro russian forces. >> $17 million. >> right. >> last time i checked -- it's about how he made the money they're going to have to discover. >> that's right. the people who were over there have serious questions about that. but, chris, for purposes of that magistrate, he failed the disclosure requirements of american law for all that work, for the better part of a year. >> all right. ken cuccinelli, appreciate it very much. jeffrey toobin, thank you. appreciate it. fellas, what do you say here on friday adjacent? how about a little good stuff, next? how your clothes smell can say a lot abut you.
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