pressuring his radio station into firing him. a judge dismissed swift as a defendant on friday. that's happening right now. now that's it for me. thank you for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news. protests growing at this hour as president trump finally condemns nazis, the kkk and white supremacists by name. not, though, before he insisted on talking about the stock market. why is this no-brainer such a head scratcher for trump? and breaking news, a new threat tonight from north korea. the defense secretary warning, game on. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we begin with breaking news. h his hand was forced, sur rendering to pressure sparking

protests outside trump tower at this hour. you're looking live there at fifth avenue. crowds have been growing. some of the protesters at this moment have made their way inside trump tower. the president will be there. back there for the first time since inauguration. he'll be arriving just after 9:00 p.m. eastern. the president finally saying what many are waiting to hear. listen to trump on the charlottesville unrest, take 2. >> racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. we are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. >> those remarks were very specific and very clear, calling out the hate groups by name and calling them repugnant. that, of course, is something

that the president did not do on saturday. at that time, he blamed, quote, many sides for what happened. even today's statement, though, wasn't a priority because trump actually began the remarks that you just heard this way. >> our economy is now strong. the stock market continues to hit record highs. unemployment is at a 16-year low, and businesses are more optimistic than ever before. >> now, a white house official tel tells cnn that trump decided on the order here, talking about the economy and stock market and then ending it with those comments about the kkk. this two-day process with his message with trump slamming the kkk in the middle of his speech is not the first time trump has struggled to condemn racism. he struggled to do this, actually, it seems in an interview "outfront" in january 2016.

at that time, i asked candidate trump about a robo call created by a white nationalist super pac. here's the exchange. >> we don't need muslims. we need smart, educated white people who will assimilate to our culture. vote trump. >> mr. trump, when you hear that, does that shock you? do you denounce that? >> nothing in this country shocks me. i would disavow it, but nothing in this country shocks me. people are angry. they are angry at what's going on, they're angry at the border, at the crime, they're angry at people coming in and shooting kate in the back in california and san francisco. they're angry when jamiel was shot in the face by an illegal immigrant and they are angry when a woman is raped and killed by an illegal i mmigrant. by the way, thousands of other cases like that. they're very angry about it. so i would disavow that but i will tell you, people are extremely angry.

>> people are extremely angry. but to be clear, when he says we need smart, well-educated white people, vote trump, you disavow that, you denounce that? >> you just heard me say it. how many times do you want me to say it? >> a third would be good. >> i said i disavow. >> the interview ended after that. trump was not happy. and then there was this. you may remember, february 2016, trump was asked multiple times about the former grand wizard of the ku klux klan, david duke, and his support of the trump candidacy. >> will you condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election? >> well, just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke, okay? i don't know anything about what you're talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. >> this is how the president answered a question that same month, february 2016, when given a chance to condemn it. >> it's not a fair question.

sit down. i understand the rest of your question. so here's the story, folks. number one, i am the least anti-semitic person you've seen in your entire life. number two, racism. the least racist person. in fact, we did very well relative to other people running as a republican. >> now, here's the thing. when trump wants to, as we all know, he speaks very directly and very quickly. for example, today, the merck ceo, ceo of merck resigned from trump's manufacturing council. he said he was doing so because of the president's failure over the weekend to condemn hatred. trump immediately responded to the african-american executive with this tweet just moments after he quit. "now the ken frazier of merck pharma has resigned and he will have more time to lower relationshipoff drug rip off

drug prices". >> that's right. president trump is heading to new york but before he left he fired off some angry tweets, including one at merck, saying merck is a leader of higher and higher drug prices while taking jobs out of the u.s., bring jobs back and lower prices. fun fact. the ceo of merck was at the white house a month ago to ta u tout initiative of jobs in the u.s. and another angry tweet from trump. he said, made additional remarks on charlottesville and realized once again the fake news media will never be satisfied. truly bad people. that gives you an indication of how they felt the pressure of this negative news cycle around his first set of comments. now, both of these tweets, clearly something president trump was upset about. he's made it very evident when he's upset at people by firing off in 140 characters and that's part of the reason that it's

been so fascinating to watch him continue to fumble with this question of denouncing racism over and over and over again. obviously we saw it when it came to this pair of statements over the last few days and with the david duke support that he offered president trump, then candidate trump during the campaign but we've also seen trump retweet white nationalist accounts and we've seen him rise to prominence, when asked whether barack obama was born in the united states. for some people questioning whether trump really meant the words he said today, they have some things to point to when they say it feels a little hollow, erin. >> thank you, sara. "outfront" right now, david gergen, april ryan and krcilliz. david, let me start with the question that sara posed as the questions that people are saying, look, when he came out today, it was incredibly forceful and incredibly clear. of course, it took two days to

do so and he put it in the middle of a speech. do you think his change of tune today was genuine? >> who knows. i think we should acknowledge that the president did the right thing today. we've been pounding on him for two days, the media, politics, everywhere, to condemn the neo-nazis and the kkk and the white supremacists and the like. and he did that. but having said that, he's grievously wounded over this. i think in the beginning of the day, just within an hour of ken frazier retiring from his board donald trump unleashes a terrible attack on an african-american ceo, one of the only ones in the country, and he did it again tonight. one has to sense that his

statement today about charlottesville was grudging and not very authentic and that the real donald trump, the authentic donald trump is the one we saw in the tweets at the beginning of the day and end of the day. i can just tell you this, erin. he said he wants to bring love, not hatred to the country. good. we need to deal with hatred. but he needs to deal with the hatred in his own heart if he wants to bring more love to the country. >> so april, why do you think he changed his tune today, called out the kkk, neo-nazis and white sum supremacists, calling them repug na repugnant, when he refused to do so over the weekend and now the media basically got what they wanted here and still he says he doesn't feel like he's being given credit. >> why? because the president just heard the outpouring from white, protestant, catholic. people are upset.

the president's actions spoke louder than words by inaction for those two days. people are very, very upset and, yes, there is division here and i'm watching twitter all day. people are very angry and they were saying, look, the president shows more anger about the fact that ken frazier left this manufacturing council versus the charlottesville situation. and in going to ken frazier, ken frazier is a man who, from what i'm understanding from my sources, he's a man who has worked with democratic and republican administrations. he is there to help and for this president to attack an african-american man at a time that there is an issue about this confederate statue in virginia, there's a big problem here it looks like it could be hypocrisy. my big question is, what was the conversation over the last two days with this president and david duke for the president to

be able to feel comfortable without david duke saying, look, your constituency, the people who voted for you are waiting for you, don't do. this i want to know what that conversation was, really. >> chris, what he said on saturday and what he said today were very different and i just want to play them side by side so everybody can hear the difference for themselves. here it is. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this greej jous display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. it's been going on for a long time in our country. not donald trump, not barack obama, it's been going on for a long, long time. as i said on saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. it has no place in america. and as i have said many times

before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. we all salute the same great flag and we are all made by the same almighty god. racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> chris, on saturday he said "on many sides" and today he condemned specific hate groups and twice said, as i said. but of course, he hadn't said. this is something new. and then he came out and said it and he was very clear and direct about it. why? why do you think when he was criticized by many members of his own party as well as people on the other side of the political party, but why do you

think he felt forced to do it? >> because i think he thought he wouldn't be able to get beyond it in that it would continue to come up and he would have to say something similar to it in order to check a box, which i think is really what he viewed it as. i think you're right, erin, to focus on "as i've said on saturday," as i've said many times before, that shows you how he came to the statement today, grudgingly. he clearly believed he had done enough, said those things on saturday and in the past that as you played he's the least racist person in the world and he believes that in his heart. that is who he fundamentally is. the statement he gave to check a box and i think the two things you mentioned, "as i've said," the one thing i'll add is the lead-in talking about the jobs and economy. as david gergen can tell you, you don't give a speech about remarks about someone who lost

their life and dozens of people injured and start it with, hey, things are going great. i'm not getting enough credit for it, but let me talk about this other thing. he did that on saturday and again today which is grudgingly and he's now turned back to blaming the media for, i guess, having him say that racism is evil. >> right. >> it seems like an obvious one. >> let me play, david, an exchange he had with jim acosta, a cnn reporter, today when he was being asked about this delay. here he is. >> mr. president, can you explain why you did not condemn those hate groups by name over the weekend? >> they've been condemned. they have been condemned. >> and it sort of sounds like he's saying, david, and that's it. >> yeah. he was saying that's it. he doesn't want to go back to it. he's told jim acosta, i'm not going to talk to you. you're fake news. it was very personal.

his hatred is very personal in nature. he seemed extremely grudging. and i think it's left us with moments in a presidency that are remembered well and they can either go well for a president or badly for a president. if you go back to bill clinton and his presidency was fumbling for a while and oklahoma city came along with a bombing out there and he was extremely impacted and jumped right on it and captured the mood of the nation and was a good leader and it turned his presidency around. similarly, george w. bush in a different way with katrina, flying over it and everybody watching that and realizing he hadn't paid much attention to it, seemed indifferent to it, that wounded him for the rest of his presidency.

this has the potential. we'll have to wait and see where it goes. charlottesville has the potential for being the wound for this president that won't go away easily or quickly. >> we're looking at live pictures of the president getting ready to head here to new york where he's expected around 9:00 eastern time. there are protesters around trump tower, some even inside. obviously we'll see how they handle all of that to get him in there. but this point that you raised about ken frazier, who is the african-american president of merck, when he came out in his statement today quitting the manufacturing board and, by the way, others have quit, right? but he said america's leaders clearly expresses hatred and group supremacy, american ideal that all people are created equal. it took less than an hour, as i indicated a moment ago, april, for him to slam the ceo of merck on twitter. he's done so again within the

past hour. turning the conversation completely to drug prices, obviously this is something where it seems like he did not catch on some level the link here to race at all or he did and he didn't care. >> yeah. >> this president catches a lot. this president understands that he is using a scapegoat now, changing it and throwing it over to ken frazier who left. he's an african-american who understands the history and understands what terror is for african-americans in this country. think of strange fruit hanging from a tree, speaking of lynching, that's terrorism that's happened in this country. slavery by itself. and then to have this issue with the confederacy, it was fought, the civil war was fought about the issue and the confederacy

wanted slavery. so this president understands intrinsically what is going on. he understands if he throws the attention to ken frazier, it gets the attention off of him but it's not going to work this time because of the overarching issue of tolerance versus intolerance and they've got to deal with it. >> thank you all very much. next, republicans were among the first to slam trump. what's their reaction tonight? my guest, congressman carlos cabello. and the man accused of mowing people down in charlottesville made his first court appearance today. his extreme views, we're learning more about that at this hour. and kim jong-un reviewing, he says, a final plan to fire missiles at guam. this bell rin. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world.

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congressman. you were very open about it and you were very direct. at the time, you tweeted, and i quote you, potus has always called out radical islamic terrorists. he must now call white supremacists as terrorists. >> good evening from miami. first thing i'll say is better late than never. i'm glad the president came out and called evil by name, singled out these groups that are dividing our country that don't accept the fact that we're a diverse nation, a nation of immigrants. i appreciate that. however, i am concerned with that glowing omission on saturday. i think the president needs to take steps, if he truly wants to unite this country, if he truly wants to help heal this country, he needs to take steps to make sure things like this never happen again. >> so, as you know, you pointed out how he's handled islamic

terrorism. he bragged to the associated press back in april that he was 10-0 when he predicted that attacks were terrorism. he was very quick as a candidate to suggest that islamic-related attacks were terror and that continued when he was president just after the london bridge attack in june, he tweeted a drudge report, fears of a new terror attack and it was confirmed that it was terrorism. then there were these instances when he spoke about attacks in paris and manila. >> it looks like another terrorist attack and what can you say, it just never ends. i would like to begin by addressing the terrorist attack in manila. it is very sad as to what was going on throughout the world with terror. >> manila didn't end up being a

terror attack. my question to you is, why do you think he will call islamic-related terror attack terror and will do so before the intelligence agencies do so but did not do so in this case? >> well, erin, first of all, every political leader is responsible for his or her statements and for any omissions in those statements but i'll also say that i think part of the problem, a big part of the problem is that there are members in the president's white house staff who believe in accommodating this alt-right movement in the united states and apparently don't want to offend anyone who associates with it. now, alt-right, just so that people understand, is not a group of people who have certain ideas about tax reform or about immigration reform or anything like that. alt-right is about white nationalism. it is about racism. it is about dividing this country and regrettably, there are members of the president's staff who at least believe that

this movement should be accommodated. and my point is that there's no place for this movement in american politics and i think that is why the president has lacked clarity in some of his statements. now, again, he's responsible but we all know that the modern american president doesn't sit down and draft his statements, doesn't draft his own speeches. these aides are very influential and i think the president needs to start listening to the highly competent and professionals instead of those who believe in accommodating people hell-bent on dividing this country on excluding american citizens from the american experience. >> and to your point, there's a lot of people who could have influence over a president but at a moment like this, you know,

one would think that what you actually say to the american people would be your own words and from your own heart. but you have said now in that answer, aides and members. you used the plural in both cases. so you think there's more than one person who supports the alt-right in the president's inner circle? >> i do believe so. and they have been named numerous times. >> who are they? steve bannon? >> steve bannon is the most prominent. i think a lot of these ideas that you see coming from stephen miller are also associated with these groups and that's unfortunate. look, i'm not saying these people are racists. i'm not saying that they want to advance a racist agenda, but it's pretty clear that they believe that these groups should be accommodated. and, look, i visited normandy recently, erin, where americans went to fight against these kinds of ideas and many of them died. i also recently visited berlin

where a lot of these hateful, nasty ideas were born decades ago. we have always fought against these ideas. those ideas are as unamerican as they come and for there to be people in the white house seeking to accommodate groups that advance these types of ideas is totally unacceptable. and i think that the president would go a long way towards improving his approval rating if he starts listening to others, not those that have taken him down this path. >> should he fire them, stephen miller and steven bannon, to make a point? is there something short of that that you would settle for? >> i think the president needs to make a strong statement regarding how he feels about this country showing that he really wants to bring us together. erin, i was disgusted by the last presidential campaign. i thought both sides really worked hard to divide the

country. now it's time to unite the country. you cannot unite the country when there are people on your team who want to accommodate groups that are doing everything they can to divide this country. i don't know if they need to be fired. maybe they need to be marginalized or maybe the president needs to start taking advice from the right people and there are a lot of good people in that white house. he ought to listen to them. >> congressman curbelo, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you and have a good night. next, we're learning more about the man accused of plowing into a charlottesville crowd with his car. long-held views about hitler and nazis, should that have set off alarm bells before? we lost three lives this weekend. i have -- i certainly have regrets. people confuse nice and kind

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and that crowd there tonight, not what he would have expected before what happened saturday in charlottesville. they are there because they're furious over his response to the deadly alt-right protest that happened in virginia over the weekend. we're learning at this hour, new and disturbing details about the suspect who drove his car into the crowd. brian todd is "outfront." >> reporter: boiling tensions outside the courthouse in charlottesville as the man suspected of driving his car into a crowd of protesters after a white supremacist rally was charged with second-degree murder. inside court, james fields, the 20-year-old suspect, appeared by video link, now held without bond on multiple charges. authorities say he rammed his dodge challenger into a crowd of people, killing a 32-year-old woman, injuring 19 others. cnn has learned fields recently moved to this apartment complex in ohio. he works at a security firm, makes $650 every two weeks and

couldn't afford a lawyer. a picture now emerging of a troubled young man with strong white supremacist views, according to those who knew him. >> he had some very radical views on race. he was very infatuated with the nazis, with adolph hitler. he had a huge military history, especially with german military history in world war ii, but he was pretty infatuated with that stuff. >> reporter: fields' mother knew her son was traveling to virginia but was unclear of the reason. >> i didn't know it was white supremacist. i thought it had something to do with trump. >> reporter: fields enlisted in the army in 2015 and reported for basic training but soon released for active duty due to a failure to meet training standards. as a result, he was never awarded a military occupational skill nor was he assigned to a unit outside of basic training.

a motive isn't yet clear but according to a justice department official close to the investigation, federal investigators may have gathered enough evidence to suspect the accused driver wanted to send a message. >> it doesn't meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute, and if it does you can be sure we will charge and advance the investigation toward the most serious charges that can be brought because this is an unequivocally, unacceptable and evil attack that cannot be accepted in america. >> reporter: and according to a justice department source, investigators are looking into whether fields may not have acted alone. >> the thing that they will look at is not just who was driving the car but who was helping that person, who was an accomplice to this. it will be a wide scope investigation, as it should be. >> reporter: even though he said he could not afford a lawyer, the judge said that james field could not be appointed a public defender because, according to the judge, someone in the public

defender's office had a relative who was affected somehow by saturday's violence. the judge did not go into specifics on that. we reached out to the attorney that was appointed for james fiel fields and that attorney has not gotten back from us. there's a firm from ohio that said they employed him as an employee and he's been terminated. "outfront" now, pastor james davis at the new spirit revival center and mark lamont hill, cnn political commentator. let me start with you, mark. the president was obviously frustrated today that he was asked, again, about why it took him two days to condemn white supremacists. he just tweeted, and i'll read the tweet. "made additional remarks on charlottesville and realize once again that the fake news media will never be satisfied. truly bad people." basically admitting, i guess, that he was forced to do it.

are you satisfied with what he said today, which was declarative. >> so he finally decides to tweet that some people are truly bad people and didn't choose the kkk or the nazis. no. he chose the media. this is emblematic of the broader problem. the president has refused to call people out when it comes to white nationalism and this is someone who couldn't hold his fingers back when it was time to talk about meryl streep or hillary clinton but somehow he could hold his powder when it came to this issue and the fact that he's irritated that people weren't satisfied where he blamed all sides, as if we are all on equal moral footing here, it says a lot about the president and what he's about. >> pastor? >> i would say this. that most of the immediate counterpunches that came via twitter, he had been hit and he was simply hitting back. he immediately came out and said we are watching things. the media deserves some of the blame here because a thousand

times things get wrong in the initial stage or they come out wrong and the record is never corrected and he's had plenty of missteps in jumping on things before he heard the entire matter and then there was a secondary -- >> we knew the entire matter well before this afternoon, right? >> well, they didn't know the entire matter when he -- he didn't know because he said we are carefully watching what's going on in charlottesville. and so in that, that's saying that he's not going to step all over it and then in an immediate -- a secondary message came out from the white house and now today another message has come out and everyone is still not satisfied. i think he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. >> no. he's just damned if he doesn't. again, you don't need a full news bulletin or a doj investigation to know that white nationalists carrying torches at night saying that they are anti-black, anti-jewish is a bad thing. all he had to say was, hey, this is bad. that would have been an amazing start.

he could still investigate and unfold further but he didn't do that. he refuses to name white nationalism on that first day as the fundamental problem. he said everybody needs to stop. everybody calm down. can you imagine, in the middle of an uprising somebody say, everybody be cool, everybody here is too violent. slavery is wrong. we assume that it is wrong. we don't have to say all sides be cool. that's what trump did with the white nationalists and the people fighting white nationalists. >> if i could retort, erin. the current klan enrollment, according to the southern poverty law center, is between 5 and 6,000 people. if we continue to give air to people like david duke, they don't even keep the numbers for the neo-nazis because it's much less. let's call it 10,000 at every college campus. this is a microcosm of evil people and -- >> if that's the case, it should

be so easy to denounce that. 10,000 votes don't matter. what's holding him back? >> the fact that the mainstream media continues to give air to someone like david duke that should be buried by now because -- >> that has nothing to do with a white supremacist driving a car isis-style into a car. >> he refused to come up with these names and refused to call it terrorism, specifically talking about al qaeda. suddenly now someone, as erin just said, drives a car into people, which is an al qaeda-style terrorist attack and refuses to call it terrorism. this is not complicated. would you agree that's an act of terrorism? >> i would agree it's an act of terrorism. >> and do you acknowledge -- >> i would agree, also, that he probably could have been more firm with acknowledging which groups were doing what and not saying all people.

but at the end of the day, he heard the entire matter and as such we should be giving air space to these small groups because he had a message of populism and then today he comes out and rebukes it. >> can i ask you a question, i don't know if you just heard the republican congressman but he pointed out the president's reliance on members of his inner circle, stephen miller and steve bannon, that they are either racist or accommodating racist points of view. do you think they have a positive role in this white house or would you also say that they should go? >> the jury is out on these two in some regard. do they need to go if that will appease everyone, then maybe that will make a difference in this but he had a message of populism into his presidency and

in fact it was american populism. >> no, it wasn't. when you say make america great again and you conjure of moments in history where black people and brown people and -- >> who conjured that? >> -- and jewish people are marginalized. >> who conjured that? you painted on that. that's low-thinking people. that's low-thinking people. >> let me finish my point. >> we hear white nationalism when white nationalists are resonating with your message. we hear white nationalism when david duke says we're going to fulfill the agenda of president trump. we hear white nationalism when you have a message who says muslims are bad and when you say judge curio cannot be objective because he's mexican. we hear white nationalism when you say you're going to build a wall across the border and you and president trump has never articulated an agenda. this is the reason why we hear

it. so to pretend somehow that donald trump is just populist when the only people resonating with these messages are a certain pocket of american life suggests -- >> pastor, let me give you the last words. >> that is ridiculous because it resorts back to the lousy 10,000 people that follow duke. when is somebody going to put a microphone in duke's face and say, what are you taking back? he says we're taking this nation back. we put president trump in the office. white folks control everything. and so -- >> be careful, now. >> we are in the dregs of secular humanism and until this nation comes back to god, we're going to continue to see this hatred on the front street. >> thank you both very much. up next, white supremacist richard spencer planning to hold another rally in charlottesville. and breaking news at this hour, north korea says kim jong-un has prepared plans to

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charlottesville, virginia. new questions tonight about whether public officials and law enforcement did enough to prevent the chaos and violence. tonight, the police chief is expressing regret. >> i certainly have regrets. we lost three lives this weekend. a local citizen and two fellow officers. we certainly have regrets. it was a tragic, tragic weekend. >> but tonight, richard spencer, the white supremacist who helped found the so-called alt-right movement says he's planning on holding another rally in charlottesville. outside right now, wes bellamy. thank you for being with me. i want to ask you about richard spencer's comment but first i want to give you a chance to respond to the president. you were very vocal this weekend in calling for him to condemn white supremacist groups. he did not do so over the weekend but did so today. do you accept what he said what he said this afternoon? >> before we get into the comments before myself and 45 or anything else, i think it's

important that we express our condolences to the families of heather and the two officers who lost their lives this weekend. that's first and foremost. my condolences to the family once again. we can't say it enough. we're going to do everything we can to make this right. i promise you that. heather was a freedom fighter from day one. so we are going to continue to push for all of the things that she wants in her honor. now to your question, in regards to 45, he gavis commee ihis com. i feel like it's too little too late. but i would be remiss if he did not acknowledge the fact -- i am appreciative he did call them white supremacists and that's a step in the right direction. i've made mistakes in my life. i hope the president can continue to disavow these clowns, these individuals who think that they can come in and scare us. richard spencer, you are a clown.

you are not welcome here. you have been told that by several individuals from the highest of the high to the lowest of the low. you are not welcome. take your minions with your tiki torches and leave. do not return back to charlottesville. >> so that's a firm no, he cannot come back with another rally? >> we don't want him back. he's not welcome here, point blank, period. >> the police response this weekend, as you know, vice mayor bellamy, is being criticized by some law enforcement officials. charles ramsey said, demonstrators and counter demonstrators need to be within sight and sound of each other, but somebody has to be in between. that's usually the police. he said he didn't think that happened on saturday. i know your police chief, al thomas, has defended the police response. here he is. >> we did make attempts to keep the two sides separate. however, we can't control which side someone enters the mark. we had agreements and worked out a security plan to bring the

groups in, and separate entrances. again, they decided to change the plan and enter the park in different directions. >> did law enforcement in charlottesville make a mistake? >> listen, i haven't had a chance to speak with chief thomas yet. we haven't been debriefed. so i don't think it's the right thing to do right now, to jump to conclusions from my personal beliefs in regarding to how the police responded at this moment. i've spoken to different individuals. again, i am waiting to talk to chief thomas. we'll have that conversation relatively soon. again, i think it's important for us to not necessarily look to shift blame. we can try to say the police should have done this or that. but at the end of the day, white supremacy did this. if the white supremacists did not come to charlottesville and these alt-right idiots come to our city, none of this would

have happened. so again, it's very easy to place blame except for where it should be, and that's with the alt-right. those individuals decided to come here. >> vice mayor, you referenced a moment ago that you've made mistakes and you've been open about this. but our viewers may not know. in the past, you have said some horrific things, insulting and inflammatory things on twitter about women -- >> yes. >> whites and gays, just a couple of examples that i can say on television, from 2009 you said "i don't like white people, so i hate white snow with five exclamation points. you said i hate black people who act white. i know you've apologized for these things, but do you think some of these white nationalists would deserve a second chance? that they could, like you, change? >> that's the hope. again, i apologized to the city of charlottesville. one of the reasons why this is

so personal to me, the city of charlottesville is the one that helped me grow from that immature and in some cases ignorant young man into the father i am today. and to the husband i am today. and to the community leader. it's through different experiences and being open with my heart and open to different people and them showing me a different way to grow and mature. that young man who i was at 22, 23 years old is not who i am today. i'm hoping through this tragedy, the white supremacists, the individuals who may have been on the side offen the fence, can g from this around learn. that's the god i believe in, he can change people. people can grow. but it takes accepting responsibility. it takes also all denouncing those things. again, the reason i love this community so much is people plainly told me years ago, while i was growing and maturing, that way of thinking is not right. and my experience has changed. so we're hoping for all of these

individuals who have such hate in their heart, how can you hate a community like charlottesville? grant it, we're a place of imperfect people working to create equity and make this place as best as we can for everyone. so don't bring your hate here. >> vice mayor bellamy, thank you for your time tonight. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. breaking news, game on if north korea fires a missile at the united states. those are the exact words used by defense secretary jim mattis moments ago. he added if a north korean missile is assessed to be hitting guam, we will take it out. this comes as cnn was told u.s. spy split slighatellites detecty at a missile launcher. senator, let me start with this. how concerned are you when you hear this, north korea could be

24 to 48 hours away from possibly launching a missile? >> i'm very concerned, erin, given the heated and belligerent let reck from kim jong-un, the dictator of north korea. i think it's appropriate we make preparations, that we defend our allies in south korea and japan, and we continue to bring online the missile defense system, the thaad system, and we make it clear that any attack on american territory, any attack on american troops or close allies will be met forcefully. >> just moments ago, we're hearing a response from korea. kim jong-un indicated he will hold off on making a decision to launch missiles towards guam. they say "he would watch a little more the foolish and stoo stupid conduct of the yankees." do you think this is a sign he's trying to tone things down? they're saying he's going to

watch a little bit nmore. is that significant? >> i'm hopeful we'll see a repeat of the historic pattern of north korea, where they are initially very belligerent and threaten attacks. and then when confronted, they stand down. this has gone off and on for many years. what makes the current situation with north korea much more dangerous than previous confrontations with the west is that they have both nuclear weapons and icbms and they are closing in on the capability to marry the two and threatening to use them against the continental united states. so this is a more dangerous situation than we've faced in the past. >> they continue to quote kim jong-un saying, if the sayankee persist in their reckless actions on the korean peninsula, he will make a decision. two questions for you on this.

the first is this -- they're talking about our actions on the korean peninsula. should the united states proceed with its annual military drills with south korea, which have precipitated tests for missiles from north korea before. >> yes. we should continue conduct aprils and exercises with our allies, south korea and japan. secretary tillerson and secretary mattis had a joint editorial in "the wall street journal" today where they laid out that we have no intention of trying toov overthrow the north korean regime, that we are open to negotiations, and in those negotiations we may be willing to make compromises but not in the face of threats and not in the face of ongoing missile tests, missile launches and nuclear detonations. so i felt like they took the right tone in that editorial. >> do you support a strike if

kim jong-un tests a missile off the coast of guam? ie, it's not a military strike, it's a test. do we take that out of the sky, do you strike back or say no? >> i think if a missile is launched at guam and we have the capability, which i believe we do, we should knock down the missile. >> what is "at guam?" i know i'm being annal here, but there's guam and they said they're going to go 19 to 25 miles off the coast of guam. is that "at guam?" >> while a missile is in the air launched by north korea and enroute to guam, if we mistake the trajectory by a small amount, it could hit guam rather than in the waters off of guam. it is completely appropriate for us to use a defensive missile system to disable an incoming, aggressive nuclear -- excuse me, north korean ballistic missile. because we won't know whether it's a dummy missile or armed

missile until it hits and we won't know exactly where it's targeted, the waters off of guam or hitting guam itself until it comes down. the trajectories that an icbm typically follows are very steep and we would only have minutes to make a judgment call. >> all right. thank you very much. i think that's very clear. i appreciate your time, senator. thanks. >> thank you, erin. >> anderson's next. good evening. the president arriving tonight in new york city to growing protests over his handling of saturday's deadly gathering in charlottesville, virginia that ended with three people dead, when a state police helicopter crashed and a car plowed into a crowd of counter demonstrators. that's the demonstration now outside of trump tower. the president lands at kennedy airport in 15 minutes, then travel by car to trump tower where as you see that sizable crowd is looking to greet him. it comes at the end of a day which we learned something about the president's