missile until it hits and we won't know exactly where it's targeted, the waters off of guam or hitting guam itself until it comes down. the trajectories that an icbm typically follows are very steep and we would only have minutes to make a judgment call. >> all right. thank you very much. i think that's very clear. i appreciate your time, senator. thanks. >> thank you, erin. >> anderson's next. good evening. the president arriving tonight in new york city to growing protests over his handling of saturday's deadly gathering in charlottesville, virginia that ended with three people dead, when a state police helicopter crashed and a car plowed into a crowd of counter demonstrators. that's the demonstration now outside of trump tower. the president lands at kennedy airport in 15 minutes, then travel by car to trump tower where as you see that sizable crowd is looking to greet him. it comes at the end of a day which we learned something about the president's priorities, how long it takes for president

trump to speak out against a deadly act of domestic terror and how many times he's willing to do it. two days is how long it takes and just the once. that's what we're left with at the end of a very long thee days for charlottesville, virginia and for the entire country. and that's where we begin tonight. earlier today after failing to do so on saturday, president trump recognized the killing of heather heyer, and named some of the hate groups behind the charlottesville event. >> to anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. justice will be delivered. racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans.

>> that is a change and welcome one to heather's mother who joins us shortly. however, it took 48 hours outcry over the president's initial statement, leaving racist groups giddy with delight. the fact that he did says plenty about democrats and republicans ahike who kept up the pressure. it says something about how strangely reluctant this president is to confront the alt-right to the point of not even being able to speak out against neo nazis. this is a president who has shown little restraint for slamming anyone, any time, for any reason, big or small. >> crooked hillary clinton. little marco. lying ted cruz, lying ted. oh, i don't know what i said. i don't remember. rosie o'donnell is disgusting. both inside and out. you take a look at her, she's a slob. >> he's a war hero. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't

captured. >> just today, the president lashed out at a ceo who happens to be african-american who had quit his advisory council in protest of his initial response to charlottesville. he had no problem naming the ceo, but neo nazis and klansmen, silence for day. in addition, having read those remarks off a teleprompter this afternoon, the president made a point to speak off the cuff of not repeating them. and late tonight, he went right back to complaining about the press, tweeting, made remarks on charlottesville and realized once again that the fake news media will never be satisfied. truly bad people. so there's that. we'll talk with heather's moment -- heather's mother in a moment. this is the first we are seeing of the crash. it does provide a fuller picture of what happened. it is difficult to watch. take a look. [ screams ]

>> oh, my god ! people are badly hurt. oh, my god, badly hurt! we need paramedics right now. oh, that car just drove into people, causing a multichain accident. somebody might be dead, folks. >> more reaction now from today, from the president's remarks, cnn's jim acosta joins us from the white house. do we know how the president's statement today evolved from what he said saturday? >> reporter: well, there was an evolution. i was in the room with the president for both of those statements he made today. they really felt more forced than heartfelt, just being in the room and observing that. but we heard from white house officials earlier in the day saying it was the president's decision to go ahead and call

out these hate groups by name. but that begs the question why he did not do that sooner. so really at the end of the day that kind of remark coming from an anonymous white house official feels like white house spin, anderson. >> what else did the president have to say today? >> at that second availability with the news media, i did try to ask the president why he did not call out these hate groups by name sooner. he got rather testy in his response and here's what he had to say. >> mr. president, can you explain why you did not condemn those hate groups by name over the weekend? >> they've been condemned. they have been condemned. >> reporter: of course, anderson, i went on to ask him why he did not hold a press conference. he said on friday he was going to hold what he called a big press conference here at the white house. that did not happen. he looked right into the camera and said that we did have a press conference today, anderson. that is just a flat out

falsehood. he accused us of being fake news. when you call a press conference something that is not a press conference, that is fake news. >> jim, thank you. in just a moment, we'll bring you up to speed on the criminal investigations now under way in the wake of the tragedy. but we want to focus on heather hey heyer. she worked as a parallel for a local law firm. the firm's president saying she was a hard worker and had a big heart. a close friend and co-worker said she was a sweet soul and said she'll never be forgotten. heather was just 32 years old. she was killed when a rally participant drove his car into a crowd of counter protesters. i spoke with her mother, susan, earlier tonight. susan, i'm so sorry for you loss. if you could tell us a little about your daughter heather, what kind of a woman was she? >> heather was a very passionate

woman. she was very fair minded. she was driven to make people clarify their situation, to make people accountable for their behavior, to make people look at themselves and stop what she believed to be unfair. >> injustice was something that she thought a lot about, worried a lot about. >> i don't think she worried a lot about it. but she had a real radar for that. something that would often pass other people by, because this is the way we've always done it. she would call you out on it. she didn't tolerate that. i have been so umbled and -- i don't know the word, amazed at

the stories i'm getting from people about people that heather defended and took care of and protected throughout her childhood that i never even knew happened. people are coming forward to me of stories of, she spoke for my child. she protected me on the school bus. she took care of me when others were giving me a hard time. i was unaware of that. she didn't come home and tell me about that. she just dealt with that as a matter of normal behavior for herself. and i'm so awed by that. >> did you know she was going to attend the rally on saturday? >> i didn't ask, but i figured she probably would. but honestly i had kind of put it out of my mind. >> when did you get word about what had happened to her? >> umm -- i was actually here

where we're filming right now with my best friend, and i got the word that they were looking for heather's next of kin at the hospital. and i kept calling the hospital, as my friend was driving me to the hospital. they kept telling me, we don't have a patient by that name. and we were frantically trying to find her. and her friends had actually asked the hospital people to find her and probably the worst day of my life. >> when the president spoke today and used the words "kkk" or used the words "white supremacists," was that important to you? >> yes, it was. i think we need to call out hate where we see hate. i think we need to call out criminal activity where we see criminal activity.

>> many times in situations, have you given any thought to the person who did this to your daughter or what you want to say to him or what you want to see happen? >> i have two feelings about this young man. one is, he was extremely young, in my opinion. he's not a child. he's an adult. he made his decisions, and i believe that he thought hate was going to be the answer, and that hate is going to fix things. but he was wrong, and he will some day come to see that, i hope. and i'm sorry for the pain he will go through. i'm sorry for the pain he's putting his mother through right now. i'm also extremely sorry that he chose to kill my child and to injure a bunch of other people.

he didn't have the right to do that. and if you watch the tapes, you can tell he had that exactly in mind. this wasn't a video game, buddy, this was real people, okay? there are real consequences to what you did. and i'm sorry you chose to do that. you have ruined your life, and you've disturbed mine, but you took my child from me, and i'm going to be the voice that she can no longer be. so you gave us a national forum, and maybe i should thank you for that. but i can't. i would rather have my child. >> you talked about the outpouring and memories from friends of heather. i'm wondering how you would like her to be remembered or how she would want to be remembered, do you think? >> she would want that spark of self-examination, of the honest

discourse of being able to explain yourself, to make yourself accountable, to continue on. if anything is ever to come of this "say her name," i want it to mean you hold yourself accountable. you check your actions before you do something. you explain yourself to god, to yourself, to another person, whatever you have to do, but you hold yourself accountable before you go after somebody. and there's no excuse for hatred. there's no excuse for bigotry. there's no excuse for discrimination. s is susan, thank you so much for your strength. i wish you peace in the days ahe ahead. >> thank you. some new details now on the chopper crash that took the lives of two state troopers. there was no distress call before the chopper went down. the helicopter's vertical flight path was about 45 degrees when it descended into trees. there was a post crash fire.

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crowd as it happened. [ screams ] >> oh, my god! oh, my god! holy -- people are badly hurt. oh, my god, badly hurt. we need paramedics right now. holy --. that car just grove into people. >> joining us is cornell west from harvard university, and also with us is paris denard, former director of black outreach for george w. bush. dr. west, i know you were in charlottesville over the weekend. can you talk about what you witnessed on friday night during the neo nazi torch march that surrounded the church you were in. i read that you said you never had seen that kind of hatred in your life. >> well, i've never seen that

kind of hatred up front on saturday when 20 of us stood there and watched us the various fascist units marched and cussed. you had the nazi torch march where we were held hostage in st. paul's memorial church, with seth and brother payton and sister elaine, who all of us were trying to bring together, black, white, red, yellow, we had christians, buddhists, trying to bear witness to love and justice in the face of this vicious white supremacy. it was a two-day moment, which i think i witnessed one of the lowest moments in the history of the american empire. we are already in deep decay. we have corruption among our elites and a culture that is collapsing in terms of a spiritual blackout. and we have a president that has made this a normal way of life,

so you can't trust him. he has no moral credibility, unfortunately. so somehow, we have to engage a fightback. we have to be not self-righteous but to bear witness to truth and to justice at a very, very bleak moment in the history of this nation. >> paris, yes, the president disavowed these groups today by name. why not denounce them full stop on saturday and why equivocate and say there are many sides as he did twice on saturday? >> anderson, i think if we're going to be factual, the president disavowed david duke and kkk in march of 2016. >> i have to stop you. yes, he ultimately disavowed hi, but i want to play what he said. >> i want to ask you about the anti-defamation league, which called on you to publicly condemn the racism of former kkk

grand wizard david duke who said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. will you condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote and that of other white supremacists in this election? >> i don't know anything about david duke. i don't know what you're talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. i don't know, did he endorse me or what's going on? because i know nothing about david duke. i know nothing about white supremacists. so you're asking me a question that i'm supposed to be talking about people that i know nothing about. >> i'm just talking about david duke and the klu klux klan here. >> honestly, i don't know david duke. i'm pretty sure i didn't meet him and i don't know anything about him. >> paris, that's the candidate for president of the united states claiming not only doesn't he know anything about david duke or anything about white supremacists. >> right. so if we're going to talk about

facts, we can play what he said in march of 2016, a few days later, when he disavowed david duke. >> why does it take however many days for somebody to just disavow a known racist who everybody knows who david duke is. >> well, i mean, look, not everybody knows who david duke is. president trump -- >> he doesn't know what white supremacists are? >> anderson, listen, i didn't come on this show to go back and talk about whether or not he knew someone or what -- >> you brought it up -- >> no, i brought up march, that you didn't show, when he did disavow david duke and the kkk. a couple of days ago, he gave a strong, in my opinion, a strong words saying that those hatred, bigotry and violence have no place in american society.

and then today, he doubled down what he said a few days ago and went further and talked about while supremacy, neo nazis, and things oh of that nature, which are horrific. that's what the president did. >> okay. dr. west, the president -- >> brother anderson, brother anderson -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> go ahead. >> let's be honest. brother paris, you got check mated by brother anderson. you know the president was lying. he knows about david duke, he knows about white supremacy. he's been in america for a good while. you got to defend him in order to keep your job, we understand that. >> no, no, no. brother west, brother west -- >> let's focus on what is the case here. i knew sister heather. she was with us. if it were not for her and the

afterno anarchists, they would have crushed us to death. this is no game. there are humans out here suffering and we have a neofascist movement escalating, and if we can't focus on the truth -- i'm not into that. i wasn't raised like that, man. i believe in the truth and justice, whether it goes against me or for me. are you going to be honest or not? the president is going to be honest or he's not going to be honest. anderson is trying to keep you accountable. we have to keep each other accountable. that's where i'm coming from. >> dr. west, please don't insinuate that i wasn't raised correctly. >> if you're going to lie, you're going to lie for the president. he's lying. >> dr. west, i am not employed by donald trump. i'm not employed by the white house. i have -- they do not -- >> why are you defending a liar in general? >> i'm not defending a liar. >> he's lying when he said he didn't know about david duke. >> i don't know that to be true. all i'm saying is, you want to

talk about facts, last -- >> ask him. you know him better than i do. >> that's true. and you knew president obama very well and after charleston -- >> and i told the truth about obama -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i tell the truth about negroes on the obama and trump plantation. the truth cuts a number of different ways. >> last thursday, i.c.e. talked about the fact that they prosecuted the largest number of white supremacy. these are positive steps. so words do matter, but actions matter even more. and i am proud to see this government and this administration is moving forward and doing these things. as it relates to -- >> see, but -- >> go ahead. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i believe the truth is bigger than all of us. but i believe this, from what i

can see, the person that you are defending, brother donald trump, he's got neo fascist sensibilities. he he's fanning and fueling the scapegoating of these precious gays and lesbians and trans and bisexuals and black and yellow people. he has been fueling this. the truth is bigger than both of us. let's be honest, much is at stake. this is not no corporate media game we're playing here to pursue our careers. that's not what i'm into and i pray god that's not what you're into either. >> paris, do you have any concerns -- "the new york times" wrote about steve bannon that he has been, in general, counselling the president not to speak out about far right groups because they are a small but a vocal enthusiastic i believe is

the word she used, supporters of the president. do you have any concerns that this president -- it does seem that there is a pattern of saying he doesn't know what white seem cy white supremacists are. he goes after by name anybody that he doesn't like. each today when he mentioned the kkk, he went after the ceo of merck, who happens to be african-american, for leaving the manufacturing council. he didn't have a problem immediately going after that guy, but he has a problem immediately naming the most abhorrent groups in america. >> look, all i know, anderson, is that the president disavowed back in march. he made a very bold statement two days ago, and he clarified the statement and went further today. i am -- i have no issue with what the president said, because i think what the president said was correct.

and when it comes to his associations with steve bannon and other people like that, there is no evidence, there are no facts and no proof that steve bannon is whispering in his ear, telling him not to disavow, not to say these things. because what we know is, the president has disavowed. the president has called these people out and said -- and called them by name, which is something that president obama did not do after charleston. >> after charleston -- >> bannon needs to be called out. bannon has been a fundamental figure of facilitating a lot of these xenophobia and scapegoating our fellow human beings, and he has bannon right next to him in the white house. >> dr. west, let me just ask you, paris said that the president's initial statement on saturday was correct, that -- and one of the things the president said is that there was violence on many sides.

>> that's not true. not on our side. it was not on our side at all. >> was there violence on many sides? >> not at all. not at all. that's pr strategy there, soundisound ing brass. we're standing there singing "this little light of mine." there was no space for love and justice, given that vicious hatred. and we had the left, we had the anarchists, the anti-fascists. they were trying to protect us and letting the snneo nashis fa know there -- we didn't see you in first baptist black church there in charlottesville, because of those -- in those church moments where reverend tracy blackman gave a powerful sermon and i said a few words,

and then when i spoke at the sun rise, it was about love and justice, not a kumbaya, but a focus on any people who are vulnerable no matter what color or nation or sexual orientation. we don't get that kind of prophetic witness, because it's so hard for that to be sellable in corporate media. so we just get the ugly, vicious conflict. and when the space of prophetic witness sh riffles up, we look back and see this. there's a lot of decent people in america, but they remain spectators insped of participants. >> that's an important point dr. west just made. when i turned on the television and watched, i saw fighting and people going back and forth. i didn't know who was fighting. i thought why would racists be fighting each other? so i assumed the racists were

fighting the peaceful protesters there. that's what i saw andassumption. dr. west is telling us a different thing, but this is what happens. you get wrong information, you see things that are on the media, on the television, and you make a snap judgment. i believe that's what the president did when he went off the cuff remarks saying violence on many sides, because what i saw when i turned on the television were people fighting back and forth. and i assumed dr. west is correct, but i assumed that. many things happen like that when you don't have hard intelligence and -- >> i guess my concern is that the president of the united states should have access to information from law enforcement and many sources -- >> so true, anderson. let's go back -- >> turning around and watching it on whatever tv shows he happens to be watching. i think the president, before speaking to the nation, might want to have the information from law enforcement and people

who he -- >> same thing happened to president george bush with katrina. they didn't let him go down because all of the violence. that's the reason he didn't go by. people make mistakes, we should give him the latitude and grace to get it right. >> i would just point out -- >> just for the record, 1800 people or more, brothers and sisters, fellow americans, lost their lives in katrina. so that's the facts oh of what happened in katrina. paris, i appreciate you being with us. dr. west, as well. coming up, the president's first statement after the racist rally in charlottesville, very much in keeping with his tactic during the campaign when asked about white supremacists who support him. it's about delaying more than denouncing. we'll take a look at that history, next. dj: hope i don't cause an eclipse. ♪

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more breaking news tonight. more fallout from the president's tardy reaction in the charlottesville incident. the opposition to confederate

statues goes beyond charlottesville, virginia. in durham, north carolina, protesters pulled down a statue representing a confederate soldier. the president's denouncement of the white supremacist rally in charlottesville came after a delay, and outcry of republicans and democrats. to those who closely watched the campaign, it didn't come as a big surprise. multiple times the president failed to do what seems like to be a no brainer, criticizing racist groups. brianna keilar has more. >> reporter: it takes a lot, too much even those in president trump's own party argue, for him to strongly criticize and disavow hate groups. take david duke. he rallied this weekend in charlottesville and supported trump's candidacy early on. >> did he endorse me or what's going on? i know nothing about david duke. i know nothing about white

supremacists. >> reporter: but trump did know about david duke. he had spoken about him as early as 1991, shortly after duke had an successful but surprisingly strong run for governor of louisiana. >> the david duke thing, did it bother you? 55% of the whites in louisiana voted for him. >> i guess it shows there's a lot of hostility in this country. >> reporter: in july of 2016, trump tweeted this picture of hillary clinton against a background of dollar bills which came from a white supremacist message board. he called it a creation of the dishonest media. >> it's a star! and it actually looks like a sheriff's star, but i don't know. >> reporter: not long after, he weathered scathing criticism from clinton, who said he was embracing the alt-right linked to white supremacy, anti-feminism and xenophobia.

>> of course, there's always been a paranoid fringe in our politics. a lot of it arising from racial resentment, but it's never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it, and giving it a national mega phone until now. >> reporter: and she took particular aim at trump for his years long obsession with president obama's birth certificate. >> barack obama should end this, and he should provide the public with a birth certificate. >> reporter: trump took the conspiracy theory that president obama wasn't actually american, main stream, and did not admit the truth until shortly before the election. a rare condemnation of trump of the alt-right came shortly after less election, when the national policy institute, convened in washington. >> heil trump. >> reporter: pledging support with a nazi salute and displaying racist imagery.

trump told "the new york times," "i don't want to energy the group and i disavow the group." brianna keilar, cnn, washington. >> joining us now is my panel. maggie, you have some new reporting about the status of steve bannon in the white house. >> right. so there have been questions about what was going to happen with him. john kelly has set in place a very clear chain of command and most people appear to be following it. bannon has become increasingly isolated and diminished in terms of his role. if you had said yesterday, i would have said he may be gone, but today it seems to be teetering in the other direction. this president likes nothing less than being pushed by the media, as we've seen repeatedly today. so that may help him in terms of staying. but it's a bumpy and

uncomfortable road. the president has grown very frustrated with him on a number of issues and appeared to be repeatedly unwillingly to pull the trigger on steve bannon. he had a dinner with rupert murdoch two weeks ago. that included jared kushner and john kelly. murdoch made the case bannon sne needs to go. >> so the head of fox news and the head of "the wall street journal" is giving advice to the president of the united states, about who he should fire? >> we had him on a list of 20 people who have the president's ear, and who advise him a couple of months ago. he speaks to him most days. >> also in the article today, you wrote, and i'm paraphrasing because i don't have it in front of me, you said something like in general, steve bannon is the person who has been or is a person who has been telling the president not to call out fringe right groups, who are small -- a

small group, small groups but enthusiastic supporters. >> or at least be mindful of your language and how you do it. steve bannon was not at bedminster with the president. bannon stayed behind and was not there. but they did speak by phone as charlottesville was unfolding. i believe they spoke yesterday, as well. and bannon has still had some input. remember, trump comes at this, for all the reporting on these conflicting idealologies within the west wing, the president has his own view on these things. he has his own impulses. they happen to be pretty similar to steve bannon's. >> and to be clear, in the white house, you say that the status of bannon has been eroding for some time? >> you remember the first explosion of headlines about his fight with jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, began back in april. i think they had been allies. and that quickly unraveled.

this fight has been going on for a while, but the president has been unable to pull the trigger. i think he likes bannon personally on some level. i think he does believe or has told people he believes bannon may be leaking. but he's also worried of the problems bannon could cause. >> we're going to take a quick break. we'll continue the conversation. this is the president landing at wall street. he's taking a helicopter, marine one, to wall street, and he's going to go up to trump tower now where there are protesters waiting outside trump tower. we'll have coverage of that and nor with our panel. we'll be right back. nnovative campuses. or bringing wifi to 65,000 fans. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink. my doctor recommended i switch laxatives. stimulant laxatives make your body go

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after a day at the white house, the president is here in new york. marine one carrying support staff. the chopper landing moments later. he'll travel shortly up to trump tower and a gathering of protesters. back now with the panel. van jones, why do you think it is that the president seems reluctant to call out these

groups? >> well, it's very unfortunate, because you have the father of a jewish daughter in the white house, and some of the worst anti-jewish and anti-black public statements i've ever heard were just pouring out of charlottesville from these white supremacist groups. he had a rare opportunity as the father of a jewish daughter to speak personally, personally about his feelings. and he didn't do it today or before. i'm glad he did come out, his own party needed him to come out, the country needed him to come out. in europe, they distinguish between the dirty and clean right. the clean right, low taxes, all that good kind of paul ryan stuff. but the dirty right traffics in violence and bigotry and thuggery, xenophobia. and they've done a better job trying to isolate that, and as long as he's willing to have the

dirty right mix up with the clean right, the country is in grave peril. >> mike, as a supporter of the president, does it concern you or much ado about nothingsome >> look, i think the president made a mistake this weekend. what he said today was right. as a life long republican, there is no place in my party for neo nazis, bigots, and as a christian, there's only god above us all and he made everybody in his image. so it's just nonsensical for a christian conservative republican to have to say those things. i wish the president said it sooner. what he said today was exactly right. he has to speak what that kind of north carolimoral clarity. i think the president unfortunately will have another opportunity. this sort of thing seems to keep happening and he'll have another chance to get it right and say what is sort of obvious for everybody to say, that we don't

conzodone this kind of behavior. he should have said it. i think he gets in his head i have nothing to do with this, so i'm not going to dignify it. he's going to learn as president he speaks for the whole country, and he certainly speaks for his party. so i think he did a great job today, said exactly what needed to be said and hopefully in the future he'll say it much sooner so we don't have this conversation going on. when you're going to be a populist, you have -- if you're going to be a populist, you have to even more clearly express to the american people why you're different from these people. so i think the president got it right today and i hope he does it sooner next time. >> first of all, there were a lot of republican senators, ted cruz, marco rubio and others who came out very forcefully on this on twitter on saturday -- >> the clean right. >> i'm not using terms. but it's -- i mean, does it make sense to you that the president

didn't come forward? >> it's horrible on so many levels. look, you could just give him the benefit of the doubt and say this is a communications, logistical problem. i think that maybe is part of it. i would love to believe the notion that he just doesn't understand this, and that it's a communications thing. but when you look and you have steve bannon in the white house and seth gorka in the white house and steven milner the white house, there's a pattern. i mean, there are people who -- steve bannon has quoted julius epila, this italian fascist, who mussolini wasn't bad enough for him, so he went to hitler. it doesn't mean steve bannon is a nazi. but there are people who have a world view in this white house that is very fringy, and not what you would think from a ronald reagan or a george w. bush. >> i was looking at ronald

reagan speaking forcefully about condemning white supremacists. >> yes. i think that ronald reagan understood a couple of things. understand several things. one, if conservatism is going to survive and thrive, it's incredibly important to distance it from what van jones called the dirty right, or that european things that we've been shielded from in america for most of our history. so i think reagan got that. he also understood the importance of being a moral authority. when the challenger exploded, reagan goes out that night and gives that great peggy noonan speech and comforts a nation. and says tear down this wall. he says these racists might support me. i don't support them. george h.w. bush, his successor, stood up and condemned david duke. that's the kind of moral authority that donald trump is not providing. >> maggie, for him to say during the election he doesn't know anything about white

supremacists, he doesn't snow what that is just ludicrous. >> right. >> someone is saying they like to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what happens. how many times are you going to give him the benefit of the doubt? this happened repeatedly through the campaign. he rose to prominence nationally in 2011, championing birtherism. he barely renounced it until the very end of the campaign. he would retweet white supremacist twitter accounts. there was the star of david controversy that he scoffed that anybody would be offended. we hear constantly from the white house and from aides to the president, try to understand how he sees things. try to understand how he feels. there are people who have relatives who were sent to gas ovens, you know, years ago in the holocaust. and he's not doing a whole lot to try to understand why these images are offensive to them. >> i want to thank everybody. up next, i'll talk to the photographer who captured probably one of the defining moments of the violent protests this weekend, the moment when a car barrelled into a crowd, killing heather heyer, injuring

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many others were injured critically. the car went into reverse, the bumper dragging. several protesters giving chase. the driver was eventually arrest and charged. the photographer who snapped all of these photos is ryan kelly. he joins us tonight. ryan, if you can take me through what happened. you saw the car backing uphill before driving into the crowd. >> yes. so i was walking the downtown mall, sway pedestrian mall. i got to a cross street where vehicle traffic is allowed. i saw the car backing up, and then i saw the crowd of counterprotesters at the bottom of the hill. thought nothing of the car. assumed it was turning around the block to get out of the way and get on wherever he was trying to go. so i started taking some pictures. i had a long lens. i was fairly far away from the crowd, looking down the hill. as i moved slowly across the road and over to the sidewalk, a couple seconds later, this same car flew past me. before i even knew what was happening, he had plowed into

the crowd at the bottom of the hill. >> were you able to get a look at the driver at all? >> no, absolutely not. the car was moving at speed. i could barely even react. it was all just instinct to put my camera up to my face in the first place and be able to take any pictures at all. and then he reversed right up the hill as soon as he made contact. so i had absolutely no sight of the driver. and when i look back at pictures, there were tinted windows, and there was just a blur. there was no way to tell. >> when you were taking pictures as the car slammed into the crowd, did you know what you were capturing? were you able to actually see it? because sometimes when you're taking photographs, it happens so fast, you don't see until later on when you look at the pictures. >> it did happen very fast. and no, i didn't have any sense of details of what was happening. i knew immediately something horrible had happened and i knew it had happened intentionally. but it all happened very, very quickly. and he was gone as soon as he came down. and i had no sense of what the

pictures looked like. i barely had a sense of what i even just saw. i didn't put any of it together until i was looking at the pictures on a laptop a few minutes later, you have no doubt that this happened intentionally, that the driver intentionally plowed into this crowd? >> oh, absolutely. he backed up the hill. i passed by in front of him. i was on the road for maybe 10, 15 seconds. i moved over to the sidewalk, and then he came barreling down at full speed into the crowd, immediately put into reverse, and reversed at speed back up the hill and took off down the side street. >> and this crowd, i mean, before this car happened, was it the crowd just hanging out on this street? what was the scene like before? >> so it was a couple of different crowds of counterprotesters who had converged a few blocks before. and they were marching through town. they were chanting. they were hoisting signs. but it was different from earlier in the day. earlier in the day before the raleigh was disspersd, people

were clashing. both sides were coming together. people were throwing things at each other. this was hours after that. it was hours after the rally had been declared an unlawful assembly by police. and these were all entirely counterprotesters who were marching through the streets. there was nobody attacking them and they weren't talking against anybody. they were simply marching through the streets. and it was as calm and as peaceful as i had felt all day until the moment that the car flew past me. >> from what i understand, you actually ran after the car, chasing it on foot, that right? >> yes. so the car, as it backed up the hill, the first thing, again, it was instinct, i didn't do anything particularly intentionally. i chased it up the hill because i figured there was no way he would get more than a block before he wrecked into something because the front was all mangled or the police would stop him. but by the time i got up to the cross street, he was long gone. i asked a couple of people what happened. they said he got further than i

could have made it. so i don't know what happened after that point, but i was amazed he got away. >> the images are just incredible, ryan. i'm glad you're safe tonight, and thanks for talking with us. >> thank you, anderson. up next, the president has just arrived in new york. protesters gather outside trump tower right now. we'll look deeper into the actions and words today of the president as he makes his first visit back home since moving into the white house.