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though they hate jews and are racist and have an authoritarian ideology, but they're also responsible for killing a woman. there was violence at that raltly. they want that. they want the attention. i don't think vice, i don't think anyone should give them more attention. there's not much more to learn about the terrorism inflicted by them over generations. the president here has decided to elevate the arguments of the white supremacists in ways that completely con found americans of all political stripes. there is no more equivalencies here. it's their right to do what they're doing. it should be condemned, and there should be no other discussion about it. the president has been all over the place on this. a tepid response on saturday, clearly a forced tougher statement a couple of days later. and now reverting to form. and the president, unlike his predecessors has decided to whip

up social disruption as opposed to trying to tamp it down. >> after the disastrous press conference -- this was a new low by donald trump standards or any historic standards. the only people who came out to support him, there were a couple of paid shilts doing happy talk on twitter, but were david duke and white nationalist leaders, white supremacist leaders. if that doesn't cause a gut check, a reality check on the part of people working in the white house, what will? this president seems to have completely abdicated the moral authority that should go with the office of the president and the responsibility to at least try to unite the nation. >> people standing next to him,

gary cohn, steve mnuchin. this is what was in his heart, what is in his heart. he made that clear in the press conference. is this what he meant by make america great again? >> i believe so. while he was candidate trump, many people said there were codes worscode words he was using. at what point in our history is he talking about america being great. yesterday shows us. it's very interesting, in listening to the conversation all morning and last night, i'm heartsick, but i have several questions this morning. what does benjamin netanyahu have to say about this? i remember just a few months ago benjamin netanyahu came to the united states and says israel has no greater friend than

donald trump. this is bigger than just everyone talking about the heart and moral authority. and then you know i also think about at the beginning of this president's entrance into the oval office, the big story -- i remember zeek miller made a mistake talking about the king bust wasn't there. the reason why it was such a big deal is because so many people were concerned about the president's heart and his mind when it came to issues of inclusion and race. that statue is still in the oval office, at least the last we checked. those are two things that make me question this morning. >> david, look, here is the going concern now. we know what the president said, we know what his defense for it is. frankly it was weighed and measured and found lacking. so where is the response from leadership. i see the tweets.

paul ryan, rubio. they should live by their own words, tweets don't matter. it does matter about right now. i know you're on vacation. bad situations don't wait for you to be in session. where are they, calling out this president, marshaling moral agency, telling this country what matters and appealing to our better angels. they're not doing it, david. and the silence is deafening. >> it is. it's a failure of leadership, a failure of moral leadership because the obligation for leaders in congress and national leadership inside and outside of politics is to try to soothe the divisions, to try to bring down the roar a little bit here. it is a mistake if we're going to allow, whether it's president trump or his defenders, to say this is an argument about political correctness or caving in to the far left. that's completely bogus. this is just morally wrong.

the fact we're allowing white supremacists to be in the forefront in a conversation about history, this is wrong. this is without a doubt wrong what happened in charlottesvi e charlottesville. this is an act of domestic terr terror. there's an obligation to speak out against the president who is only deepening the division in the country. this is not donald trump who started all this. these problems between african-americans and so many communities here and the police or questions about national memory, these are not new questions, but they need to be shepherded in a way that's responsible. >> john avlon, the question becomes what do they do, what will fellow republicans do? it's easy to say bigotry is wrong. it's easy to say hatred is wrong. everyone should be able to say that in their sleep. it is john mccain pretty much alone who is actually naming the president, calling out the president in a tweet.

but where are all the other republicans calling out the president by name, laying this in his lap and then acting? >> that's what we needy think to watch for today. who will call out the president by name because increasingly republicans have realized that they feel the freedom to speak their mind when it comes to donald trump, that there may not be the political price to pay that they feared. instead, i'd flip the question -- and this goes for people serving in the administration as well. there are good people serving for patriotic reasons, in part because they're trying to contain the president's worst instincts. the look you saw on general kelly's face yesterday was someone who realized, you know what? you're not going to be able to change this man, and there's a question about not only the political cost but the personal cost of going down with this particular ship. donald trump has almost single handedly erasing the legacy for the party of lincoln and the people who like to claim that memory. while that problem has been growing for a while, it now is undeniable. it's amounting to basically a political suicide note for a

party that wishes to reach out to the millennial generation and beyond. >> he made his stand. whether or not it's because the media backed him in a corner and he doesn't like to be blamed, fred trump and all the other stuff they spin, or it's just this is what is in his heart. if it's isis doing this and not the kkk he'd go crazy about it. when it's these white supremacist types, it doesn't get him as angry. we know where he is on this? where is ryan, where is mcconnell, where is ted cruz, where are these people who wanted to be president? i think they have to be measured by this as well. if they're doing it in furtherance of an agenda, we want to get that infrastructure bill passed, moral agency matters, too, does it not, april ryan? >> yes, it does chris cuomo. here is the bottom line. people in washington are very

afraid of the president's thumbs, his 140 characters, particularly those in his party. but now it's time to say am i going to be afraid or am i going to stand up. people are also concerned. there's still a sizable amount of the american population who supported this president, who believe this stuff, and i love david gregory so much, but i'm going to say this, i do believe we need to show this. i do believe we need to hear what's said so people understand fully where this president's mind is. but we need to also understand and find out where the mind and the power is behind the republican party. there are african-american republicans now very upset about this. they're meeting with the rnc this morning about this. i'm in the baltimore area right now, just got off the phone before we went on the air with the mayor of baltimore,

katheri katherine pugh who called me with conviction, we took all the con federal statues down, four of them. people have to -- don't tell me, show me. you have to show that you're really standing where you stand and not speaking is complacency. >> there's a political dimension to this. i take april's point. i would argue there's limits to how much ag grandizing you want to do. we might apply that to propaganda videos from isis, we might want to curtail how much we show of those. you have ceos dropping off his advisory council. this is getting beyond his core base. republicans have got to start to worry about whether he's ever going to get to the agenda items they are counting on. you see risk averse ceos, part of the business constituency for donald trump for years and now president trump getting more and more uncomfortable with him. these are the things he's got to be thinking about in the broader

term of his presidential leadership. and it is -- john made this point. general kelly brought in as chief of staff to right the ship. how is that going so far? it just shows you he's not being listened to. >> everyone should be asking themselves this morning, what will i tell my child when they ask me, mom, dad, what did you do? what did you say when the president said this? it's a gut check for everyone, all of us this morning. the city of charlottesville will gather in just hours on a day to honor remarkable young woman, heather heyer, 32 years old, murdered in the car attack in an act of domestic terror on saturday. cnn's katie hartung is live at the site of the memorial. what will we see today? >> reporter: here just two blocks from the site where heather heyer lost her life,

reverend alvin andrews will deliver the yulg, he'll emphasize making each day you live count. you do that not by counting the days you live but living each day to the fullest, living your beliefs and values and practicing them. that's how heather lived her life. heyer's family received an outpouring of support, but not yet spoken directly to president trump. among his remarks last night, he mentioned he will be reaching out to them. time will also be taken in the coming days to remember the lives of the two state police who died in the helicopter crash on saturday. a funeral for trooper pilot berke bates on friday, and yates on saturday. >> heather heyer's favorite color is purple.

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>> yes, i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think there's blame on both sides, and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> the president is certainly wrong about the last part. we have a lot of doubt about what he just said, invoking this both sides narrative which is being praised pretty much only by white supremacists and pretty much condemned by just about everyone else. joining us now is a very rare animal in the political kingdom, a republican willing to come on television to discuss what's going on in the country right now. congressman scott taylor of virginia, former navy s.e.a.l.,

served this country, an iraq war veteran. good to have you on the show. >> good morning, chris. >> frankly, the silence is deafening. there have been tweets. we saw senator cory gourder in at a town hall talk about this in strong terms, by and large, your colleagues in your party silent about that. it's not time for that type of leadership or lack thereof. what do you think needs to be said to the american people about what they heard from their president yesterday? >> let me first give my sympathies out to health are and trooper cullen and trooper bates and their family and friends. we're thinking about this. yesterday's conference was a failure of leadership. i do think that was the case yesterd yesterday. i think the conference before that was fine and strong. yesterday was not the best day. there's no question about it. there is no moral equivalency. they should absolutely be condemned, the nazis and kkk.

ironically i was in israel when i first heard about the violence on friday night and put a statement out. i had to put a second one out after saturday. there's no question about it, that they're 100% to blame. that doesn't excuse premeditated lawlessness. the vast majority of the counterprotesters were there to stand up to hate for sure. no question about the responsibility lies with that hate group that organized the protest. >> why is he saying that, congressman? why do you think the president is insisting on drawing a moral equivalence that very few others see? why is he doing this? >> i can't speak for him. of course, i don't know what's in his mind or heart. i will say i think he tried to sort of put things together and articulate it in a way that wasn't very good in terms of trying to say there was problems on both sides when it was very clear it was one-sided that started this, as well as the

confederate monuments and other statues which i think is a separate issues. there are probably millions of virginians who aren't anymore racist than you and i but they don't agree with taking them down. that's a separate issue from what that protest was. >> that is one discussion about the history of these monuments and what you want to remember and what you don't. that's fine. if we know the president is not right on the facts, and he certainly has access to the facts. he keep saying one side had a permit. you know, i'm sure, coming from virginia what the origins of the permit was, who put in for it, the legal battle that ensued, the neo nazis and white supremacists wanted it to be held where it made it more likely there would be an aggressive interchange. the police wanted it in another location. they still wound up getting cited for unlawful assembly.

on the facts, the president is wrong how it went down. there wasn't equal responsibility. the police reports reflect the same. this comes down to moral agency, congressman. >> i think it's clear that it's unequal. you had david grepgry here just a minute ago talking about the law does defend their right to speak. as the judge came down on their side, because we may not like it and we shouldn't like it and we should shame them and we should be -- no one should be happy -- there's no home for hate in virginia or america, but there is protection, of course, for speech. that being said, yes, it was not equal. there's no question about it. the vast majority of the counterprotests were there to stand up for hate. there were a few that came there we premeditated lawlessness and they should be held accountable on both parts. i don't agree with his facts, the stated facts, i don't agree with them. i also don't agree there were folks on this program earlier

that were using their opinions as facts. they're not facts either. i think facts are important for the news. they should come out, of course. >> what do you think is being used as an opinion as fact? >> i've heard, again, 100% i want to say this unequivocally, 100% of the responsibility goes with the nazis, kkk, white supremacists who started the protests. again, that doesn't excuse premeditated lawlessness on the other side. that's been glazed over in some respect. i do believe the president was wrong, not equal by any means whatsoever. but folks should be held accountable if they break the law. no question about that. >> what are you saying to people who are coming up to you and they want some kind of conso consolati consolation, that it seems the president of the united states just empowered white supremacists in this country, and what's the proof? the white supremacists are all too damn happy about what he's been saying, congressman, and

you know this. they're coming out and thanking the president. this is a man who has got jews in his blood line, his grandkids, his daughter is a convert. his son-in-law is an orthodox jewish person. what are you saying to people who says this scares me? i'm frightened by what our president is saying. what are you telling them? >> well, i've been clear on my statement, both here, earlier on this program and in my statement back home that we put out. i think there was a failure there in the press conference. no question about that. but i've got to be honest, with all due respect, chris, they're getting a hell of a lot of platform on this network and other networks as well, too. i'm sure they have to be very happy about that. >> i hear you about that. i've dealt with this struggle throughout. i've been in this business for a long time. don't let the makeup fool you, there's a balance about how much

oxygen you give to hate, how much of a plate form you give it. but you know what? i don't have a choice because the president of the united states just breathed life into that movement, just said they're on equal moral footing with those who opposed him. i have no choice. i tell you what, you're the only man we could get today to come on this show and trauk about it as a republican elected. i respect it and appreciate it. thank you for your clear message. thank you for representing your constituents in virginia and beyond here on the show this morning. thank you, congressman scott taylor. >> hopefully more in his party will join him and come out and speak. ahead, why is president trump showing sympathy for white nationalists and other hate groups? what editorial board of a big paper this morning calling the president america's bigot-in-chief. a debate you don't want to miss next. our lexus dealer.

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president trump's astonishing equivalency is leading to many scathing headlines in newspapers across the country. an editorial in the "chicago sun-times" on the front page

calls the president unequivocally america's bigot-in-chief. joining us, former trump campaign communications adviser jason miller is here and michael eric dyson, author of "tears we cannot stop." thank you for being here on such an important morning. jason, you're a father, a parent. if your children come to you and say what did you say when the president said what he said yesterday, what will you say? >> well, i think we have to be very careful with our words here. i'm an america who is very concerned about what i saw on television, what was transpiring weekend. i think there were two groups that we saw. there was a group that was clearly practicing hate and there was a group clearly standing up and expressing their free speech and their ability to go and push back on such hateful rhetoric. i think it's very important to point out the fact that we have to stand up to the racists, the

terrorists that killed heather heyer. we have to make it clear this is not okay. this is why i was glad to hear president trump stand up and say these groups -- there absolutely is no place for these groups to be there and to be practicing such hateful rhetoric. i think where the president got off track a bit in some of his comments yesterday is in pointing out some of the images and the violence that we saw on television, that there were people from all different groups and sides that were fighting, but again, there is no moral equivalency -- >> off track of it? off track of it? he said both sides were to blame? will you tell your kids that? >> again, what i'm saying is that people who are practicing violence, when we see these images on tv, see people punching each other, people fighting, that's not okay. it doesn't matter who was in that mosh pit going back and forth. but poppy -- >> it completely matters who. it completely matters if there

are neo nazis and kkk and white supremacists, michael. another question this morning becomes to you, michael, there are many republicans taking to twitter calling this out, but very few with the exception of john mccain calling out the president by name and laying it in his lap. very hard to get republicans to come on the show. >> they need to take a page from beyonce, say my name. the reality is they're not willing to name the reality we're confronting here, the bigotry we're confronting here. with all due respect to mr. miller, even though he's ability to come on this morning, can't even say this is unequivocally wrong, not the hate, but that the president is wrong. this is no something you would tell your children. even if they're in that mosh pit and you see people engaging in conflagration, that is nowhere equivalent to the neo nazi,

white supremacist, white nationalism we see ar dick lated in this country. we have to gird up our loins and say this is wrong. we do have a bigot-in-chief. howard hur mond says a bigot is a person who makes an idol of his or her commitments. the fetish of one's own ideology in the face of such horrendous activity reminds us this president has amplified the worst bigotry imaginable. we look to the bully pulpit of america from the president to tamp down the things, to say let's calm down, let's gather up our own moral bear rings. we can't embrace the anti racism, anti black fervor we see expressed here. the inability of the president to say so is one thing. the inability of the republican party to name him and to say this is something we don't represent and is reprehensible is itself a form of bigotry as well. >> jason, when you are being

thanked by the former grand wizard of the kkk, david duke, who did just that right after the president's remarks yesterday, thanking him, is that not the ultimate gut check that what you have said is wrong? >> we saw a lot of this back during the campaign trail this past year where you would have these fringe extreme elements again who the president has denounced and who the president says he wants nothing to do with -- >> yet he laid them on the same moral ground -- >> poppy, let me finish here. the president has rejected those ideologies last year. he's done it during this week. what we've seen in some of these fringe elements trying to take advantage of the situation and get in there and try to get their name into a news cycle which is absolutely despicable. i want to go back to something where i started at the beginning of this segment here, i made it very clear where i feel as an american that there were people practicing hate, that we absolutely have to condemn.

and there were people practicing free speech. it is absolutely terrible that heather heyer was kald the way that she was. i think it's absolutely terrible we're only seeing second degree murder charges being discussed. >> why hasn't the president called her family, jason? >> well, the president said in ris remarks yesterday that he was going to. >> it's been five days since she was murdered. >> again, going back to -- i want to be very careful here, going back to the comments that the gentleman that i'm here speaking with, i've made it very clear. >> michael eric dyson, sir. >> michael. i'm sorry. i've made it clear there's no moral equivalency between these groups. also, what is important to point out, there is no place for the violence that we were seeing on television this weekend regardless of who was in there fighting. there is no place for any of that at all. >> michael, the president said that we are -- about the monuments, about the confederate

monuments yesterday, that we are trying to erase, we being american people, it is trying to erase history, change culture, by taking them down. that sort of completely ignores the fact that they are representing a sanitized, fictionalized history. if you look back at these beautiful remarks from mitch landrieu earlier this year who quoted the vice president of the confederacy, alexander stephens. he said when the great truth is that the n word is not equal to the white man, slavery and sub bored nation to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. what did you make of how the president addressed these monuments yesterday? >> this man is lethally ignorant, incapable of having a kindergartner's comprehension of race. for those who say it's about

history and heritage, it is. the history and heritage of racism, of bigotry. building their sense of biological and in many cases theological and national identity upon a lie, a mythology of white supremacy. the belief that some people are inherently superior and some people are inherently inferior. for the president then to defend the actions again taking down robert e. lee, stonewall jackson -- remember, these people hated america enough to want the secede from it. the people that we claim, black lives matter, the antifa movement and so on, are interested in preserving the fabric of america. mr. miller said the violence is there, to equate that violence with the bigotry itself is to misunderstand the fact that when you go to cancer treatment, the radiation is tough treatment, but it is meant to remove the cancer. so what he fails to understand and what the president especially fails to understand is that you are complicit with

the worst currents of bigotry in this country when you try to draw a false equivalence between cessationi cessationists, racists and confederate defenders and bigots and neo nazis and african-american and white people and others who have defended the rights of this nation to seek a path of healing beyond the consternation we see now. that's the problem with this president, he ain't got the right moral vision, doesn't have the right words to express that moral vision and lax an understanding of american history. this is the most illiterate, incompetent president in the history of this nation and it tells on him in the midst of this racial crisis where he is incapable of showing basic decent compassion for those who are vulnerable and who are victims of white supremacy in this country. >> michael, jason, thank you both for being here on a very important morning. we appreciate it. if the president feels like he's been grossly misunderstood and didn't want to put out a

word about moral equivalence, you know what he would do? he'd tweet about it. he tweets about everything else he doesn't like. he tweets this morning to change the subject, to something else that also matters, kim jong un standing down on missile attacks. he's not dealing with what the country is right now. that's something for you to think about. over the course of the campaign and the presidency, these issues kept coming up for the president. he says i was waiting for the facts this time. we're going to test that proposition and show you a pattern of behavior that led us to this moment.

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the president empowering hate is a moral failure, but there's also a matter of fact here. trump says his second statement on charlottesville took so long because he was just waiting for the facts. >> it was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly. i couldn't have made it sooner because i didn't know all of the facts. it takes a little while to get the facts. i had to see the facts. i want to know the facts. i want the facts. >> this is new. in an interview with "time" he defended his most controversial claims by saying i predict a lot of things. i'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right. so he doesn't always wait.

the examples of false instincts start in recent memory with the racist birther law he sponsored about president obama. >> i wanted to show his birth certificate. there's something on that that he doesn't like. >> he may have one, there's something -- maybe religion, maybe it says he's a muslim. >> one of the greatest scams in the history of politics. you're not allowed to be a president if he was born in this country. >> millions celebrated after 9/11. remember that? >> when the world trade center came 2u78abling down and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> millions of undocumented immigrants voted illegally, the claim that president obama tapped trump's phones. it's clear president trump does not wait for the facts. when he's pressed on them, he

often backs off. in charlottesville, the facts were clear. there were people there to advocate hate, that blacks and jews and catholics are inferior. one killed in furtherance of these beliefs. there were those who stood against hate. there were two sides. by failing to clearly denounce hate, the president chose one. his job is to fight injustice and reenforce morality, to stand firm. he did not. poppy, that is the fact. >> it is, chris, thank you for that. it's critically important this morning. ahead for us, a family's disgust, their white nationalist relative marched in charlottesville, now his fact ea uncle wants him to change his name. we'll discuss next. om parts.

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how do they get these ugly views of the world. one of them is peter teft. he flew too charlottesville. >> say a source. >> say a source? >> on the internet. >> where on the internet? >> all right. so that's peter teft. teft's family denounces his involvement. his father went a step further explaining his son's views in no way reflect the family. here's a portion. on friday night, my son traveled to charlottesville, virginia and was interviewed with white nationalists. i along with all the family wish to loudly repudiate my son's vial actions. we do not know where he learned these beliefs. he did not learn them at home. i've taught all my children we are created equal that we must

love each other all the same. evidently he has chosen to unlearn. peter, my son is not welcome at our family gatherings any longer. i pray he will denounce these feelings and return home. only then will i lay out the feast. joining us his nephew. i know in is not a comfortable situation for you or the family. i want to play for you some of what your uncle had to say about the reaction to his involvement. >> fascism is just loving your family and doing what's best for your nation. i don't hold anything against them for what they had to say about me, because it's the safest thing to do in this political climate. nazi is a racial slur towards white people. i'd say there's no objective way to measure any race above any other race or any other person

above another person. >> jacob, how are we do understand what your uncle is talking about and what he's about as a person? >> well, he says that he doesn't believe that there's any objective way to measure one race against another but what he told me in private is that black people have inherently lower iq than white people. if he says he doesn't believe white people are superior, he's lying. >> where do you think this came from? we read the letter saying he didn't learn it in your house. >> i wanted to talk about that. i wanted to talk about how we think he was radicalized on line. back in 2008, 2009 he was pretty much like anybody else in the family, fem nits, progressive,

reg teari vegetarian. the around the time of ron paul's time he started spending time on fringe internet spaces. over time, he just started to move further and further right. this happened completely behind our backs. the first we had any indication was maybe two years ago. the we knew he was like a men's rights activist. but around two years ago he showed up to a family gathering and he started ranting about the jews. and i went aside with me and said do you identify as a white nationalist? and he's like yeah, i'm a fascist. before i could say anything else, he said the good kind, by which he mean an efficient one. i feel that as a society we need to be talking about this phenomenon of like white -- young white asocial men who are going into these internet spaces and becoming radicalized, ovfte

without the family's knowledge. we see the explosion of these groups among these young white men and it's tearing families apart. it bears frankly a scary resemblance to the recruiting tactics of terrorists groups like isil. >> a lot of experts see similarities that you take people who are outcasts, downtrodden or disaffected and looking for a rationale for their own lives and hate could take rouot there. when the family realized he was going this way, were there any attempts to talk sense to him? >> yeah. i have had a few conversations with him since this kind of arose as an issue. i had a conversation with him just recently when he was talking about the supposed inherent iq of the races. you know, i -- people say on line you can't reason with nazis, and i went into my

discussion with peter, thinking maybe i can at least get him to question his own beliefs, maybe i can get him to consider the idea he might be wrong about some of these things and i really tried to pose these sort of alternative explanations for all of the social ills he observes in the world. and ultimately, at the end of it, it seemed like we were going in circles a lot. he's got like a million reasons for believing every facility thing he believes, and he gets it all from all these different sources as the guy in the video said. it's like a rabbit hole they go down. >> what do you make of what happened with the president yesterday? and him saying there's problems on both sides of what he saw happening in charlottesville? >> you know, i think it's disingenuous. i think it's frankly very upsetting, because only one side is advocating for racial

separation and supremacy. i consider myself pretty far left. i consider myself a democratic socialist. peter has talked to me about you guys and us we should team up. we have the same goals. and i say to him, peter, you advocate for racial separation. i advocate for racial reparation. there is no similarity. you can't compare the nazis and people who fight against the nazis and say there's some kind of moral equivalency there. >> what do you think the president is doing with his statements? what do you think his motivation is? >> i think his motivation is frankly, to try not to drive off the people who have given him their most ardent and support over the years. when my uncle peter showed up to that family gathering ranting about the jews, he showed up

wearing a make america great hat. there's definitely a connection there. >> did he support trump or do you think he saw this as an opportunity to advance his own agenda? >> i think initially he definitely supported trump. more recently, he's fallen back on sort of this idea that trump was compromiedsed by the deep state and to longer works for them. he still regards trump as this lesson that nationalism can win. he changed the conversation and things of bad nature. but he's always -- since the start of trump's campaign, he's definitely been an admirer of trump, i would say. >> do you know if your uncle has any regrets about how heather heyer was killed and all the violent that took place down there? >> no. from what he's said, it sounds like he blames the charlottesville police. i'm not sure what his rationale is for that,