neo-nazi site over a potential story about the charlottesville victim. the crackdowns show how far they're now willinging to to police hate speech. technology have also been working to remove violent propaganda from terrorist groups on its sites. so fascinating because there's been a lot of criticism that the oxygen for terrorists, the oxygen for neo-nazis is the internet. >> no question. thanks for joining us. i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. new fallout between president trump and his own party, his military world leaders and business leaders, as well, after his defense of nazi sympathizers. "new day" starts right now. we'll see you tomorrow. president trump defiant in the face of >> it wasn't business as usual today with the ceos. their support for him completely collapsed. >> his moral authority is gone. >> what are they going to do when the next rally happens. >> white supremacists are emboldened and republicans are'

mass lated. >> if you can't reprimand the united states forgiving aid and comfort to nazis, you should exit stage right. ♪ we all need somebody to lean on ♪ >> hundreds of people taking part in the vigil against hate and violence. >> heather heyer was the best we had. >> i'd rather have my child. by golly, if we're going to give her up, we're going to make it count. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." it is thursday, august 17, 6:00 in new york. alisyn is off. poppy harlow by my side. out of something terrible comes a beautiful show of love and unity. ♪ we all need somebody to lean on ♪ >> hundreds gathering last night at the university of virginia in shar lots ville for an impromptu

candlelight vigil at the very scene of saturday's senseless attack, delivering a message of hope and peace. this comes as the fallout only grows from president trump's response or lack thereof. two former republican presidents, four of the party's past nominees and the president's top military generals all united in forcefully denouncing hatred and bigotry while president trump dissolves two advisory councils. >> this is leaving republicans to pick up the pieces and decide if they have the guts to call out the president by name. few of them want to be in the position of defending him, but why aren't most republicans names the president? cnn has learned president trump remains defiant and without regret, increasingly isolated. all this as americans weigh in on the president's response to that racially motivated

violence. let's begin with our jeff zeleny in bridgewater, new jersey, where the president is today. it's your reporting he is defiant, isolated and without regret. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. those are the words from people who visited the president yesterday at trump tower. they said he is without regret and defined. he is back here now in bedminster, spending more time at his resort. he was unusually silent and out of sight yesterday. today there are no events on his public schedule as this businessman president is increasingly isolated from business executives and fellow republicans. >> president trump defiant in the wake of a growing backlash over his combative response to deadly violence at a white supremacy rally in charlottesville. >> news will not replace us. >> i think there's blame on both sides, and i have no doubt about it. >> reporter: two sources tell cnn the president is moving forward without regret, believing firm li that the media

and east coast elites are unfairly upset about his remarks. >> what about the alt left that came charging at, as you say, the alt right. do they have any semblance of guilt? >> reporter: the president's words have caused a major break between him and some of the nation's top business leaders. three executives tell cnn that after the president's off-the-rails press conference on thursday, ceo on the policy forum decided the leave the group. before they could make the announcement, the president tweeted first, tweeting he is dismantling the panels despite boasting about having many business leaders to replace the ceos distancing themselves from the white house. the revolt doesn't stop there. five armed services chiefs also countering their commander-in-chief with public condemnations of white preem see on twitter, although none mentioned president trump by name. >> i don't believe you can be a

fine person and a white supremacist. they're mutually exclusive. >> reporter: many republicans also denouncing the president's remarks, although the majority of the party and its leadership have not condemned president trump by name. >> the president speak for himself. >> reporter: within the white house, many aides have expressed frustration. there have been no resignations. sources say it's a safe assumption no one is stepping down. chief execic adviser gary cohn is said to be disappointed and embarrassed while the president's daughter and son-in-law have yet to promise. >> i stand with the president and i stand by those words. >> reporter: vice president pence who is abruptly cutting his international trip short to return to the u.s. defending the president but declining to answer direct questions about his remarks. the fallout comes as hundreds gathered for a peaceful march and candlelight vigil at the university of virginia campus,

the very site where white supremacists carried torches and nazi flags. the shcharlottesville community coming together to pay tribute to heather heyer whose mother had this who hate. >> they tried to kill my child to shut her up. guess what? you just magnified her. >> reporter: president trump announced last night he'd be holding a campaign style rally next week in phoenix. that prompted the mayor of phoenix, a democrat, to ask the president to not come to phoenix in the wake of charlottesville, asking him to delay that event. no word from the white house that they will do that. it's on the president's schedule next week. as for today, an empty public schedule for this president. >> let's bring in cnn political analyst john avlon and karoun demirjian and cnn political

commentator errol louis. let's put up the graphic. here are the republicans who have called out the president by name, and by name matters, and calling this what it is matters. you see them there. john mccain started it going with marco rubio. senator graham came out yesterday about this. but the bigger number are those who are remaining silent. we contacted all 52 republican gop people, invited them on the show -- >> senators all of them. >> nothing. they didn't want to do it, even though the ceos have come out -- the irony that ceo have come out as the first line of moral rectitude. karoun demirjian, the president seems content to say i stand by my words and it's just the media that's coming after me. that's demonstrab strabbly falst we have seen a shyness to come

out and exert leadership. >> those who have come out and call the president by name haven't been shy about it at all and they say there's a moral compulsion for everybody to do the same. you have not seen the rest of the party in droves do it. many made statements about where they stand generally about racism, bigotry, about the groups, shied away from using the president's name and those who haven't weighed in at all. i don't think it's that ironic that ceos would be the first line of people to come out about this. we're talking about the heads of major companies, many of which are public companies. they have shareholders to worry about. they can be kicked out by boards. there are brands there that matter. and for politicians, you could argue, well, they have to answer to voters and that's a much more important audience. the republicans that are in office have already aligned

themselves to a large extent with president trump and not because of issues like racism, but because of issues that have to do with the republican agenda and wary of splitting themselves too far apart from the president because they're concerned about the rest of those issues and those matters that have yet to come up, like tax reform and health care that didn't get finished. we can argue whether that's morally upstanding or not, but that's a calculation that's going through their heads as they're deciding how much of a stand to take and how directly to call out the president by name when taking it. >> there is someone within the president's inner circle who is not only calling out the president by name, his actions, he's doing it on camera and doing it on the president's property at his golf course. listen to the va secretary. >> i'm speaking out and giving my personal opinions as an american and as a jewish american. for me in particular, i think in

learning history that we know that staying silent on these issues is simply not acceptable. >> john avlon, he's telling the president and the american people, what you've done is not acceptable. >> yeah, and good for him. look, he is a unique figure in the cabinet because he's an obama administration holdover. that kind of thing is very unusual in this environment. i think it's also significant the va secretary and the joint chiefs have come out with their own statements that at least implicitly are taking their own stand. i say implicitly because they're not calling out the president, but they say proactively that racism -- >> they never get involved. >> condemning neo-nazis should not be a chapter in profile and courage. this should be baseline, normal, civic conversation. in this context, these folks are standing up. the fact they're doing it from a military and va perspective is

significant. the fact you had both president bushs coming out and issues that statement is significant. what donald trump is doing is so outside the american experience for presidents that he needs to be called out by people who have a deeper sense of record and civic service. >> errol, if nothing else, it's clear what the president's political plan is, the idea that he would become expansive and become a president for all, that's been abandoned. he is going to pander to this base no matter what it takes, no matter what the compromise, no matter how ugly. >> he decided to be the president of his base as opposed to the president of the united states. the president traditionally is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. we saw the leadership of the armed forces wants to go in a different direction. he's traditionally sort of a business leader, claimed that as his background. business leadership has walked away from him. the political leadership seems to be unable to figure out what they stand for and where they want to go. they, too, decided wherever

that's going to be, it's not necessarily going to be side by side, shoulder to shoulder with this president. he's made a decision. i think it's a fateful one. i think it's the wrong one. what we've seen is a vacuum. all the leaders are stepping up because they feel like the president has fallen back. even as leader of the free world, that other sort of ambiguous but very definite title that the president has, that's been abdicated. you have theresa may and the german leadership stepping up and saying what everyone thinks the president should have said. donald trump folds his arms, stamps his feet, decides he's right and he doesn't care and invites all of us to say that's the new normal, i guess the president doesn't command the armed forces and serve his party and serve as leader of the free world. >> does the opposite of what he ran on and said he wanted, which was to be the strongest, to make america great again. >> supposed to deal with the carnage instead of causing it.

>> karoun, former presidents are calling this out. former presidents bush, both of them, in this joint statement. america must always reject racial bigotry, anti-semitism and hate red in all forms. they went on to say they pray for charlottesville and are reminded of the fundamental truth truths by that city's most prominent citizen. your thoughts on that and then if we'll hear more from president obama. >> i think it's very significant that both former presidents bush did put out that statement. it goes to show you again there is a repudiation even if it's not calling out president trump by name of senior officials passed and present that we don't usually hear weighing in out of deference and respect for the office of the presidency.

obama weighed in a couple days ag quo quoting nelson mandela. he has held back at this point. you can kind of say, okay, that makes sense, because this is a mess that he does not even need to contribute to to make it more messy. this right now is trump's own -- he's getting plenty of criticisms from his own party. you haven't seen democrats pile on as much as republicans have. they're letting it happen. >> he's the one who said, when he was leaving in his final days, i will speak up when needed. remember that? >> exactly. the question is, is this a question where he'll speak up now or wait a few days? obama could weigh in right now, but he would almost in a way shift the limelight away from trump to obama again. mash they don't want to do that again. as long as the lights stay focused on trump, it's not good for him.

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enbrel. fda approved for over 18 years. so there's a new national poll this morning that shows how you americans feel about president trump's response to the deadly violence in charlottesville. 52% say the president's response was not strong enough. this is a new maris poll. the president's approval ranking sinking to a new low, 35%. important to note this poll was taken monday and part of tuesday. some people weighed in before the president held that stunning press conference and doubled down on the "both sides" comment. let's bring back in our panel. karoun, to you, i don't know what the numbers would be had this been taken tuesday afternoon and wednesday. what do you think? >> i actually was looking at those numbers and i was surprised, as much as there is definitely a split that think he was not strong enough and the

people who think he was giving a strong enough response, the not strong enough response isn't higher, given all the various people we were talking about in the last segment coming out and criticizing the president in his stance. those numbers reflect the fact that the president did give a more scripted teleprompter comment adding to what he said on saturday on monday. it's interesting as you dig down into the poll numbers, there's a real -- a comfort level with some of the statues that was the trigger point and the country is divided and not sure what it thinks about leaving them up or taking them down. that's the touchstone for what this actually was which was a show of these racist and bigoted sentments on the streets of charlottesville. it's interesting to see the numbers because they're definitely a majority, but not a conclusive majority. >> karoun, that is the window into why we're seeing what we're seeing right now.

there is a part of this country that is comfortable with the protection of these white extremists in light of this imbalance of what's right and wrong here is the thing you have to project onto these numbers. why is the president doing what he's doing? assuming sanity, why is he doing it? because that gap we see in the poll, john avlon, there are people -- not that they're white supremacists, but they believe the left gives undue protection to their own equivalent of the kkk. there's a reason the group supporting the president at least on social media has one voice which is what about antifa, however you say it, what about the alt left? there is this illusion of parity that he is playing to with people that want to believe there's an equally opposite

norm. that's his base. the idea that both sides are equally wrong is very seductive for people who want to be fair minded -- >> not fair minded. >> people who want to be fair minded in their self perception. there is no american leftist parallel to the kkk in the american experience. i'm sorry. we can talk about europe in the early 20th century, but that's not relevant to our experience. you do have folks who live in the south who grow up sincerely believe that bumper sticker of heritage not hate. what we've got to do is have perspective on our history and have a deeper conversation. a lot of this is rallying around these symbols and not dealing with the fact that it's not simply american history. it's about trying to memorialize the lost cause, the myth of the

lost cause and whitewash the fact that these con federal generals, we're not engaging in -- they load a tradest rebellion designed to perpetuate slavery. >> people don't know the history they claim to be championing. you can go back and find frederick douglass bitterly complaining about the monuments of robert lee as they were going up. there was a vigorous national debate even at that time. >> as poppy pointed out yesterday, when these went up, the turn of the century. >> and the '50s and '60s. the context matters, what was being pushed and what happened in this country. jim crow, civil rights, when they were erected. there was a reason they were erected. >> the president tweeting this morning. >> oh, good. >> publicity seeking lindsey graham falsely stated i said there is moral equivalency between the kkk, neo-nazis and

white supremacists. there's a dot, dot, dot because he's going to say something more. let's cut him off at the pass. he did say it. when you say there is wrong on both sides, i know what they're trying to sell now. we're all trying getting phone his supporters. we're saying the people -- they're saying that's moral equivocation. that's wrong. that's what lindsey graham was talking about. >> just because trump did not use the phrase there is a moral equivalency doesn't mean that wasn't the message of what he was saying when he kept saying there was wrong on both sides or not reporting the other side is bad in all these different ways. i actually think marco rubios, the republicans countered that the best yesterday. he said if you're espousing a platform of haet and bigotry, you justify the violence used against you to shut you down.

that's basically saying there is a line in the sand here. you can't say just because there were aggressive things done by one side that they weren't prompted by something uglier and much, much worse. >> you're talking about folks giving straight arm salutes on the campus of uva friday night. let's not forget the senator he the president is going after is from the great state of south carolina. the president trying to call this out in this way, he's doubling down. he doesn't want to deal with the substance of what he said and the very clear dog whistle. you can't spin your weigh out of this one, folks. this is not subtle. this is deeply troubling. >> the rest of the tweet is, b publicity speaking lindsey graham falsely stated i said there is moral equivalency between the kkk and people like ms. higher. such a lie.

he can't forget his election trouncing. the people of south carolina will remember. you know what this is a call to? all you other gop electives in leadership, are you going to let lipid say graham hang out there and get beaten up by the president or are you going to stand up and echo what lindsey graham said and speak truth to power? >> don't forget this. in south carolina, tim scott was on the ballot with trump, not lindsey graham. there's more support for the republican senators in north korea than there is for the conservative populous president of the united states. >> let's leave this for now. let's be clear there was moral equivocation between these people who do nothing but breed hate and those who are opposing them. heather heyer, the president mentioned this morning, she has become a symbol of what this was really about for the opponents down there. you're looking at her mother, speaking out so powerfully

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president trump's supporters sounding off on his latest remarks following the deadly violence at a white supremacist rally in charlottesville. nearly everyone we spoke with says the president is right to blame both sides. cnn's brynn gingras has more from kentucky. >> to every action, there is a reaction. >> reporter: this trump supporter agrees with the president, both sides are to blame. >> there is no clear thing on who was the first provocation. >> reporter: his view is not unique in paris, kentucky, 14 miles outside lexington.

>> where i come from, two wrongs don't make a right. >> there was fault on both sides, but -- >> reporter: one side he called the alt left. those people are fighting for equality. the alt right fighting for white supremacy to take over the country as a white-only america. >> i think they have a right to protest the white supremacists. >> reporter: even carrying torches and shields? >> whatever they carry, they have a right to protest. >> reporter: how can you hold one person responsible for all the nighting? it's what people -- it's what believe believe in and that's what they're taught. >> reporter: here is bourbon county voters overwhelmingly supported trump in last year's election. they're concerned about racism but they don't think the president is at fault for any of the divisiveness. >> some of the best friends i've got are black people. >> reporter: you say some of

your closest friends are black people, right? there are people in virginia marching saying black people can't replace them, jewish people can't replace them. >> the white people that put a swastika on their arm, they're making the white man look bad. >> this can turn into a war between the blacks and the whites. >> reporter: you think a war can happen? >> honestly, i've thought that. >> reporter: do you think the president has given the white supremacists more of a voice? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i think the president is in a tough position. >> if they put people back to work -- poverty breeds a lot of trouble. >> he needs to stand up and call these people out by what they are. he needs to say this is not going to be tolerated in the united states. >> reporter: is there anything the president could do where you draw the line?

>> again, if he would come in and say, hey, i'm not letting you protest. you white supremacists, this is it not going to happen anymore, or i'm not going to let you people that are protesting nor equality, i'm not letting that happen anymore. what would that do for our rights as the united states in this country? this is the melting pot, this is the united states of america. we need to come together. >> reporter: these people say they love their country and that's why they support the presidency. seven months into this administration, they say they need some problems, but not enough to sway the support. brynn gingras, cnn, paris, kentucky. >> brynn, eye opening. hundreds coming together last night in charlottesville to unite against hate. ♪ this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine ♪

>> they gathered with candlelight at university of virginia making it clear that love always overcoming evil. earlier in the day an emotional memorial for 32-year-old heather heyer, her parents describing what their daughter stood for and what her legacy would be. >> she loved people. she wanted equality, and in this issue of the day of her passing, she wanted to put down hate, and for my part, we just need to stop all this stuff and forgive each other. >> i think the reason that what happened to heather has struck a cord is because we know that what she did is achievable. we don't all have to die. we don't all have to sacrifice our lives. they tried to kill my child to shut her up.

guess what? you just magnified her. remember in your hearted, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. i want you to pay attention. find what's wrong, don't ignore it, don't look the other way. you make a point to look at it and say to yourself what can i do to make a difference, and that's how you're going to make my child's death worthwhile. i'd rather have my child. by golly, if i've got to give her up, we're going to make it count. >> look, it's a horrible price that that mom and dad and all her friends had to pay, but they are trying to make the most of this opportunity, and in that line, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention, you get to the crux of the matter. the president of the united states is doubling down. he says there is no regret. he's saying the media and those who are criticizing him are misrepresenting what he said. you just heard it in the words of that mother. either you see those who breed

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president trump waking up and taking to twitter, slamming senator lindsey graham and falsely saying he didn't equivocate between hate groups and those protesting against them in charlottesville. he went on to tweet this, the public is learning even more so how dishonest the fake news is. they totally misrepresent what i say about hate, bigotry, et cetera. shame. some gop officials coming out saying exactly what we report. let's bring in cnn political commentators ben ferguson and nina turner. good to have you both there. nina, is everybody getting it wrong in terms of what the president said about mistakes

and wrongdoing on both sides? >> the president, chris, has gotten it wrong. he's trying to get the american people not to believe their lying eyes or their lying ears. he had a great opportunity to try to bring people together in this country using the moral authority and the political authority of the office of the presidency, and he absolutely failed. none of us should be surprised. when i think back during the campaign, i believe he was asked the question about whether or not he's ever had to ask for forgiveness for something, or he made a statement that he's never done anything in his life, and i'm paraphrasing, that required him to ask god for forgiveness. that's a heavy statement. this moment that we're feeling right now with a president that refuses to call out hate -- there is no both sides on this. you can't compare people fighting for freedom and justice with nazis. you can't compare people who believe in equality for all with white supremacists. you just cannot.

the fact that he is not mature enough to understand that, to get that, it is something wrong with him. >> ben, i get the argument that the president did say it, he did say he rejects bigotry. it's about how, ben. you know if you were in that position, not as president, but you have your own following, people come to you, they listen to your show, you're a moral agent for a lot of your listeners. you would have said, the kkk, they're despicable, that's went down that there provoke. this is who they are and what they're about. at the same time, anybody who took criminal action down there, they're going to have to be policed. we have to respect the law. you would not equate those who do nothing but sell hate with those who go to oppose them in charlottesville or anywhere else. >> there's two different conversations people have. there's the water cooler conversation people have when they saw the videos of the fighting between two groups of people. it was very clear when you're watching the tv.

that's the conversation a lot of people make saying the next morning, did you see how awful the violence was last night, i can't believe that happened, it's terrible. there's also a leadership conversation, and this is where the president has to make it very clear every time something like this happens, that you come out, condemn a group and there's not that water cooler conversation with it. i think many americans saw there are real issues with a race war that people want to have and they want to divide and they want to fight and they want to cause violence, and there are extremes on both ends. but when you're the president of the united states of america, and something happens, you have to always get it right with a clear and concise message that you condemn these racists. then you can have the other conversation later down the road -- >> i don't even see the extremes on both ends. even if you take the antifa people at their worst, do you have mall factors, criminals in their ranks, do you have people that do violent things?

yes, yes, yes. that is not a moral equivalency to the kkk, ben. that's all they're about is hate. two out of three people on this panel, they don't want them to exist. that's different than having a group, weather it's black lives matter or any other symbol that the right wants to throw up, this new alt left which i think is a manufactured term, not a equivalent to what we see on the rights. the number one domestic terror threat in the united states is the extreme right. there is not even a close second. putting the facts to the side, when you say extremes on both sides, ben, it sounds like you, too, are saying the kkk has a functional equivalent on the other side. >> no, no. what i'm saying is there are individuals in this country, human beings in this country that want a race war and want to cause violence and pain and death. >> they're called kkk, white

supremacists and neo-nazis. >> let mefinishthe oint. i think people are hyper focused on one issue only, that they're completely missing the point that many americans understand. there is no doubt that the kkk, white supremacists, neo-nazis are disgusting and vial, despicable human beings. that should be able to be a statement that is stand alone on its own. now, can we have a second conversation? let's say that one is very clear, and i think that's what the president has to be very clear on. now, is it reality that can have a second conversation. it's not about comparing the two. it's another conversation that there are violent people out there that when they see an opportunity to become violent, see an opportunity to become a race war, they do show up everywhere and travel around the country to try to have a race war? there are people that want to do that. >> when the first group just killed somebody in a terrorist

act, it's going to make people upset, is it not? >> that's why i say it goes back to timing. >> i think it's more than timing. nina, go ahead. >> there is no other conversation to have at this moment in time, none. there is no other side when it comes to a group of neo-nazis, white supremacists, who decided to go down to charlottesville, virginia, at night, like cowards which with tiki lamps or holding those things they were holding in their hands, there is no equivalency to that, shouting -- >> i'm not disagreeing with you. >> our jewish brothers and sisters, our african-american brothers and sisters, putting that overt hate out there, there is no other side to this. they were wrong. they are white supremacists, they want only white people to exist. they're wrong.

>> i agree with you. that's why i said earlier -- look at my original statement. >> there is no other conversation to have. >> when you're the president of the united states of america, when you're the president of the united states of america, i said this a moment ago, there is a leadership conversation you have to have when you come out. literally the conversation you have at that moment is to condemn the people that just killed somebody. that is something i agree with. messaging is vitally important. now, this is something else that people don't want to deal with the reality. there has been a bigger conversation about the extremism on both sides of this, and people say, you cannot ever talk about that. we have to be able to talk about that. >> it's a false equivalency, ben. >> there's only one side that's trying to start a race war and it is the neo-nazis, fascist, racist, kkk-inspired folks. one side. >> let's leave it there.

for those at home following this, this winds up being the synthesis. there's a difference between a group that's about nothing but hate and the group where you'll have mall factors within it. it's a sum versus an all proposition. that's what has people worried about false equivalency. ben, nina, appreciate it. if you're up late and a fan of late night, not much to laugh about. the jokes replaced by outrage after the president's response to charlottesville. let's see, there are the wildcats 'til we die weekenders. the watch me let if fly. this i gotta try weekenders. then we've got the bendy... ... spendy weekenders. the tranquility awaits.

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after president trump's response to the deadly violence in charlottesville, the tone of late night has shifted dramatically to outrage and condemnation. watch. >> we all need to stand against what is wrong, acknowledge that racism exists and stand up for what is right and civil and kind. >> president trump this afternoon gave a press conference that can only be described as clinically insane. >> it started -- supposed to be a press conference about infrastructure, and it ended with our president making an angry and passionate defense of white supremacists. >> i feel like i can say this is reasonable certainty, the president is completely unhinged. >> i'm still recovering personally, still recovering from president trump's kamikaze press conference yesterday where

donald let donald be donald. the consequences and our country be damned. it's truly one for our ages, specifically 1931 to 1945. >> joining us cnn media analyst bill carter. bill, some laughs there, but what they're saying rings so true and it's unbelievable what's happening. you have a new column on it this morning. you talk about what is the new normal, comedy outrage. >> not just for laughs. they're putting a point of view out there, and it's angry. truly angry and outraged that the president could possibly be taking these positions. late night people, they want people to have fun when they go to bed, and they're being challenged now, coming right in their face and saying this is something we've never seen before. >> what do you make of the president's response which is

this dual prong, one is i said it, i own it, i won't back off. but yet he is backing off, he said lindsey graham got it wrong, he didn't state a moral equivalency between the kkk and ms. heyer. yes, he did. then he says it's fake news misrepresenting. it's his own words. just go look at the transcript. >> we're seeing it all over everywhere on tv. it's him saying it. the media isn't twisting it or presenting it in a different way. they're just covering what he says. >> how big of an impact does late night have. you interviewed seth meyers and he had an interesting take on the change he thinks he can or cannot effect. >> he knows he's preaching to the choir. they're not going to support the show if he slams president trump. there's a cumulative effect going on. it's all over the place now. people are playing these clips. a lot of these comments are funny but also really pointed

and effective. i think this is a sense that this is not like anything we've seen in late night before. they took on george bush after katrina, especially jon stewart. but it wasn't personal. two late night guys, jimmy kimmel and seth meyers said, we've got to get this guy out, calling for him to be out of office. >> they have seen you don't have to exaggerate reality to create parody. they've never been in this situation. we've never heard of anyone, let alone the president, saying the kkk, the nazis, they're terrible, but they're not the only terrible ones. we've never heard that before. >> some of the lines write themselves. there's only one side and that side has nazis on them. it's very easy to pick that out. the joke comes easily. i think the late night hosts are saying can we do something else, they're overwhelmed by trump.

he overwhelms efr thing about comedy. >> jimmy fallon got a lot of attention. he faced so much criticism during the campaign, going light on then candidate trump,s toaling his hair, et cetera. this was a 180 credibility. >> i think jimmy realized and the show realized they're out of tone here. most of the comedy community has one particular point of view on this. jimmy is not a political comic. to his credit, he has his thing and he should stick to it. i think even looked at this and said i have to address this. this is over the top. he did it in an interesting way talking about his own kids. he said what the president did was shameful, used the word shameful. that was a pretty strong statement for him. >> bill carter, and so it goes. >> we'll see it more every night i'm sure. >> great kcolumn. go to cnnmoney.com to see it. the president decided to fight back, kind of.

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>> this is a president who lives in the world of no regret because he never admits he make a mistake. >> the bigots in charlottesville want to tear us apart. >> time for my colleagues to put country before party. >> there's a sense developing in the military that donald trump is unfit to be the president. >>. ♪ we all need somebody to lean on ♪ >> out of something terrible comes a beautiful show of love and unity. >> she put her body on the line in front of white supremacists and gave her life. >> they tried to kill my child to shut her up. guess what? you just magnified her. >> this is "new day"h