from ceos and the president's own military general. that's rare and notable. the american people also weighing in this morning as they have been. bring you some new polling in a minute. he remains defy iant and without regret. let's begin the coverage with jeff as we our reporter. >> reporter: good morning, po y poppy. this morning firing back at the republicans who directly confronted the president. not surprising there isn't nic on the president's public schedule today. we're not expected to be able to ask him about this. he is making his views known on twitter this morning. starting by going after senator lindsey graham, a familiar foe of this president, a republican of south carolina who called out the president rather forcefully yesterday. this is what president trump

tweeted this morning. he said publicity seeking lindsey graham falsely stated i said there's a moral equivalency between these groups. he goes on to say and people like ms. heyer. stuff a disgusting lie. the people of south carolina will remember. and then not long after that, the president also going after senator jeff lake of arizona, also a republican who took issue with the president's comments earlier this week. at the president tweeted this. great to see that dr. kelley ward is running against flake. he's weak on borders crime. he's toxic. >> well that toxic republican senator actually voted for president trump's health care bill. he is one who is needed to enact the president's agenda. going forward, the reason that this matters, the reason that so many white house aids are

shocked and displayed about this it's not because the president picked another fight. it's tax reform, raising the debt ceiling. when they come back to washington in september, all this fight will suddenly become very real. and the legislative agenda is imperilled because of this fight. so far, at least, the president limiting his outrage to those senators. what i'm watching for today is to see if he goes after any of those ceos who also took great public effort at distancing themselves from this businessman president. >> ceo's, jeff, at least they stepped up. yes, they come back in september, down if h d.c., but can they wait that long? don't these gop elected have to stand up and say whether they support the president or oppose. it is time could be kountdsed. let's bring in our panel.

josh green, j.d. vance and political writer of 538. josh. is it a fair assumption that the president is now making it clear that he is all in with the base and the idea that steve bannon could be on his way out is nonsensical because that is his conduit to the same base. he's going to -- he's going to go against his own, clearly he's got one strategy, and that's to go hard at the right. >> trump is always thinking about his base. also not thinking ahead to his legislative agenda, clearly or he wouldn't be doing what he did the other day. i think we saw his true feelings the first time he gave a statement about many sides were to blame. he had a kind of forced march to walk that back. as always happens with trump. it didn't last. his true feelings came out. he was angry. even though he had advice not to

do this, he had steve bannon saying you have to connect with the base. this isn't fair. if there's one thing we know motivates trump is the idea he's being attacked unfairly by the media. >> there is just a stunning cover. i hope you can see return, because this is the economist. okay. this is not some liberal publication that always attacks the president. i mean this is the economist, if you turn it the other way, a kkk symbol, a hood that everyone knows this morning. you're take. >> well, it's a pretty striking cover. especially coming from a right magazine like the "economist." one thing i will say. the this is purely me observing talking to friends and family on the ground is that this is an issue where there's a really

mi misalignment and really the elites of both parties. i think what the president realizes is that the people who are really solidly behind him don't quite get what call tit's all about. i even, myself, am a little perplexed by the real misalignment between how the president's base and how the media feels about this story. it's pretty striking. >> it's interesting coming from kat katie vance, who said i don't get what this is all about. >> there is no question, there is a part of white america that believes they've been underserved. the political correctness has defined them out. affected their job base, cult e cultural identity. there's no question the president is playing that. the problem with the political strategy is you have a lot more people in this country who will

see the kkk that they absolutely reject and never want to hear any kind of relative argument. >> the kkk neo-nazis that has almost no support from anybody is my impression. i think if you look at the polling. if you ask people should confederate monuments be taken down you find majority of republicans say no in a lot of surveys. when you ask people do whites face a lot of discrimination you find republicans say yes, they do. almost as much as blacks and muslims. trump is speaking to something in terms of the idea the monuments should be able to stay up. they're arguments that are certainly shared by people in h his base who think this issue maybe is overdone a little bit in terms of taking down the monumenting.

i think he's saying what he already things, and b, he still has an 80% approval rating among republicans. i'm not surprising mitch mcconnell is not criticizing. he's speaking to values a lot of republicans have. >> amazing though, given the door the president opened for mitch mcconnell to go hard on him last week so there's a brand new cbs poll out this morning. this is how americans feel about the president's response. 34% approve. 54% -- 55% disapprove, and then when asked is the president's description of who's to blame accurate, 35% say it's accurate and 55% say it is inaccurate. josh, green those are interesting numbers, it's right to his base, the mid 30% and i guess i'm surprised by the numbers from what we're reading

on social media. it's only about 55% that disapprove. >> not only that it's by more than a 3 to 1 margin. that is in staggering contrast to the reaction we've seen on the media, among democrats and frankly among politicians in the republican party. as is so often the case, i think trump has a better feel for where his base is than other people do. that doesn't mean it's right. what he said i think was morally deficient in all sorts of ways, but clearly this is not something that's causing a problem for him with republican voters. >> leer's t here's the problem. morality aside. real morality should lead in this. but let's just be terribly pragmatic. what he's doing right now is compromising his ability to deliver for the same base that he's delivering with, with his

words right now. let's say there's this broad disconnect between the working class people i know who went for trump and the rich people and the ones you know down there in the south. fine. but what any all want is business to be freed up. better wages. not just more jobs, health care they can afford. and by going after graham and flake and picking fights, we see what it's done. the he's built no consensus, nothing done that isn't a signature away from the next president of getting rid of. >> two things to keep m mind. when he calls out these senators what he's saying is get if line. because he has such high approval ratings, i think that's going to be effective politically. over the long time, you're right. if you want to really sustain and accomplish lasting reforms, you can't just do it with about 80% of the republican party. you've got to get to 50, 55% of

the entire country. that's where we're seeing the president fall short. we should be talking about tax reform or infrastructure but still, four or five days later talking about the charlottesville protest, the terrorist attack and the president's response to it. we may be getting something done as republicans on the policy front and we're just not doing that. i think to connect the morality to the politics of this is that eventually, if you don't accomplish something, you're going to pay the price these culture war battles may not affect his approval among the base in the short term, but four years from now we didn't reform health care or jobs, that's the thing that's going to matter. >> so, to you, perry. he also has to -- you're a numbers guy at 538.

he's got to do the math and he's got to realize that he lost health care by a vote. right? that he is so close on some of these things, you can't afford to fully alienate a lindsey graham or jeff flake or john mccain, can you? >> one thing i would say about that is i think it's generally true that it's a problem for trump to irritate fellow republicans. that said, the agenda we're talking about on capitol hill, repealing obamacare, changing tax policy, for example, building the wall. the a lot of things we're talking about on capitol hill are really -- donald trump's agenda is often like calling the media fake news is more his agenda than policy. i don't see jeff flake not voting for obamacare repeal which he just voted for, jeff flake is a conservative.

most members in the congress are conservative people. a lot of bills they are writing are basically bills they are for and they want donald trump to sign. i think what is going on here is he's distracted from the republican congress's agenda and if he would stop tweeting and stop behaving the way he is they'd get more done. it's not really donald trump's agenda. the i would argue the congress and republicans are driving the agenda and he is stopping. >> the confirmation is the silence. the reason you're not seeing more gop people come out is because they prefer to get their agenda through and they need the president to do it. so the president, we're told, has no regrets about his controversial comments and now he's attacking his own party. will the growing turmoil hurt his agenda. that's the question we just teed up in this panel. we'll answer it next. before it ends.

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president trump this morning denying that he gave any moral equivalency to white supremacists in charlottesville with those protesting them and all that stand for. here's the problem with that argument. those were your own words. it comes as the president steps up attacks on senators from his own party. joining us now, professor and author, and the former vice chair of diversity outreach.

the it is very nice to have you both here on a very important morning. the professor, let me begin with you. he remains unapologetic. the word is from our reporting no resignations are expected from those close to him. you have republicans in congress largely in hiding, so, is this president -- and a lot of by the way, pretty high approval still among republicans over 80%. is he getting a pass? >> i think so. i mean the reality is that people are complicit with this president who has refused to acknowledge that he has done an extraordinarily awful thing here. so in typical fashion, he is defensive, attacking his own people, his own party, perhaps even his own staff members, as opposed to acknowledging like any mature adult would do, i ma ed a mistake. >> except that's how he ran and won. >> absolutely right. it doesn't make it right. it makes it effective but now

it's being challenged because he is now amplifying some of the most heinous bigotry we've seen in this country. >> can we pull up the cover of the "economist." this is the new cover which is hardly, leftist rag. i mean this is a center right publication with the president holding a bullhorn that is a hood, a kkk hood. brun nel, chris just did this interview with a reporter here's what she said about how they're reacting to how the president has responded to all of this. >> they love him. they love him. i mean this is one of the only groups in america where trump is routinely exceeding expectations. when he said that -- when he essentially defended him -- one texted me saying god bless this man.

the he truly does have our backs. >> now you said on this program this week you hate everything that they stand for. but how do you square the two when these guys are saying this. >> i'll square it like this. these people are a miniscule mall petty part of your population. they do not reflect the entirety of our nation. i'll say that our president is -- there are a lot of people who are happy with what our president is doing as far as our economy, immigration, jobs. >> not what tame he talking about though. let's stick on this issue that is about the morality of this country. >> sure. >> all right? about that issue. your response is? >> stw well i'll tell you this. that what's going on in the country it's been a morality problem in the country for a long tile. this didn't just come with the president donald j. trump. these people who are now being magnified in the media as if

they are a core support of donald trump is not true. donald trump was put in office by people across the spectrum, different religions, people who were sick and tired of the politicians. >> but inisn't -- >> promises. >> i take your point that this has been a consistent problem in america. that's not the question. the question is is the president unifying the country? has he said one word that did not further divide the country after charlottesville? >> yes. i believe that he has said plenty words that of no division. basically what he said is what matter ss the red, white and blue. >> that's not what he said. professor -- >> he said that in mshis speech >> matter -- facts matter. his words matter. the so much. >> they do. >> and his words, professor, were both sides, on many sides on many sides. >> yes. >> both sides were to blame. >> of course, and this

equivalency between white supremacists, bigots, neo-nazis and people who are protesting is what the man said himself. despite what sister brun el is trying to argue here, his words condemn him. he goes forward to deny what he did and then, when people like mis-brunell speak about it. they're plis sit in the ve inability to tell the truth and the man's words himself condemn him and you're trying to talk about red, white and blue when he was talking about. >> yeah. the colors that matter in this nation. i'm tired- -- >> let here answ answer. >> we are tired of the division. this nation wants to heal. all the races want to heal. majority of us are tired of the bickering back and forth. the president said there was problems on all sides. imagine, your fellow journalist

had urine and feces thrown on top of them and nobody's condemned that. that wasn't the white supremacists. >> hold on. the all right. b know one is depending throwing urine et cetera. but there is a strong difference between people fighting for equality and people fights for wiping out people off of this earth. >> they all had weapons down there. you know that. >> brun echld ll. who hilled heather heyer. >> yeah. somebody died. a. >> no. the who killed her? a white supremacist. >> where is the equivalency in that. >> i didn't say it was right. >> you're saying they both had weapons. >> they were armed. they didn't come to just protest. they came armed, as well so counter protest. >> if this -- that's. >> you've been talking.

if you can be just as outraged at the kind of white supremacist. >> i am outraged. outraged. >> trying to exaggerate what happened down there with a few people. what about the routine -- this president is incapable of restraint. >> we're talking about actual f feces and urine on people. >> talking about that unleashed on the american people. the inability to ac non what he is doing. the inability to tell the truth about what's happening here and your stunning inability to tell the truth fundamentally. >> the race baiting has to stop. our children need jobs. they don't need you to race bait, sir. >> guys, i want everyone to hear your argument. one at a time. >> help the nation. le you're not helping. you're race baiting. >> hold on. >> they're dying. >> brunelle.

how is the president helping in this right now? >> what -- he's got a million new jobs in the economy. he's busy working these nafta deals that our poor and middle class with have jobs. >> as long as he brings jobs he can be a bigot, a racist? >> he's not a -- >> morally help henceable. >> one at a time. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. she's been talking. i've been kind. >> let me finish. i'd like to completely statement. when donald trump, before he ran for office, he was given money to all these politicians, blacks, whites, all of them. he wasn't a racist then. he didn't become one until they knew he was going to win in a election when the american people stood up. >> may i respond? >> al -- he gave them money when nobody would. >> your voices are very important for everyone to hear. so i want them to hear them

professor, your response. >> he was a race baiter when he was going after barack obama as an illegitimate citizen of the united states of america. the he was a race baiter when he talked about mexicans- >> he was a race baiter when he was from the very beginning so the amplification of his bigotry is no surprise, if you would wake up and smell the coffee with no cream-- >> you just questioned. >> i hear the shatred in your choice. >> passion. passion. >> hatred is dividing the nation. >> i'm not going to continue this if you don't let me ask a he kw. brunell. you just questioned a fact the professor made which is this president trump as civilian

trump, time and time again with no basis in fact questioned where president obama was born and what religion he ascribed to. that is on president trump and president trump alone. the you said hillary clinton. back that up. >> yes. yes. of course. we know the news came out that hillary clinton's camp started that and can did -- >> that's not true. >> that is true. >> what was one e-mail question circulated years and years ago. i can play for youback toback toback toback, the times the president went on the national media before he was running, and he said over and over again, something's up with that birth certificates, where was he born? what religion is he? that's on president trump, is it not. >> absolutely. you can be a black person. >> the hypocrisy is on both sides i sir. if i may respond?

the bigotry and hatred is on both sides the gop as well as the democratic party. there's so many anger and hatred and jealousy because this president actually stood up for the nation and won against elites who are used to living off the backs of the people. at the hatred is this way because the democratic party didn't win. and so what i'm going to say is this. we have got to take our nation back. get rid of this hate. >> are you blaming -- >> you said -- >> hold on -- hate like you -- >> brun el, you just said the hatred is this way because of the democrat the. are you saying that the kkk and the white supremacists went and carried out this horror that is a national tragedy? charlottesville because the democrats? >> what i'm telling you is that

the hatred and vitreal of the white supremacists has been decades. it didn't just i come about because donald trump became president. >> that's not what we're saying. >> they were doing this in the former president. >> i'm asking about the way he responded. when you come out and you say that it is both sides just like the president did. >> yes. >> that is putting them on the same ground. that is saying that people that want -- want individuals like you and the professor off this planet, are on the same ground as those who are fighting against everything that stands for. help our viewers understand that. >> okay. >> she can't. she has no words. >> excuse me, sir. i've been talking. >> you've been talking all along i haven't been able to get a word in edgewise. >> hey, she asked me a question. you need to talk to the moderator. >> you -- spoken loudly

amplified. >> you are a race baiter, sir. our young people need jobs. they need you to go to the table. talk to the president. and help get jobs. >> ma'am, all i'm telling you -- >> they're on the corner, in the prison, in the morgue. >> you will both be -- manifest -- >> you will both be back together. we're going to leave it there. the thank you very much. >> bless you. >> god bless you and god bless america. >> oh, lord. look, we certainly need the bletsing right now. this is a difficult moment for the country. white supremacy groups pouring into the charlottesville. the people who came out against them were largely from that village. what insight can we get from a former skinhead. not a former one that's going to come on and espouse empty hate but a man who used toe work to

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the deadly violence in charlottesville is putting the issue of racism front and center. some will say that's a mistake. we shouldn't be giving any attention to this group but they're on the rise and responsible for the majority of domestic terrorism. let ees discuss this. the we have timothy, a former skinhead and daryl davis. 's he been confronting kkk members and asking them to give up their robes. we appreciate both of you coming from different experiences on this. but coming to the same place of

wanting to fight against it. tim, let me ask you something. it is being set up as a false premise what the president suggested, which is that the hate groups that were down there and those that were opposing them share blame for the violence. in your estimation, what makes hate groups like the kkk, like neo-nazis and white supremacists that came down there different from those who oppose them? >> what makes them different from those who oppose them? i don't see much of a difference in the violent, but the main difference i see is there's people who are standing up for the rights of others. whereas, with the other groups they're against everybody. they're victims, they're going to use that sort of language to defend themselves and blame everyone else and come up with conspiracy theories. this has been happening for decades. >> daryl, what's your take on that? the president looking at a

situation like charlottesville and saying, well, you know, the violent was brought by both of them so there's an equivalent there. >> there's not an equivalent in the least. as tim was saying, one side wants to bring everybody together and the other side simply wants to stand for their own and the violence on both sides is wrong. any kind is wrong. and as far as the president goes, we spend a lot of time blaming people. and really, we have festered this culture long before trump got in office. i'm not defending what he said. by any means but what i'm saying is we've got to start blaming ourselves for allowing this culture to exist. we should have been talking about this kind of thing for a long time and bringing some kind of understanding about the racial divide long ago. i've been doing it for 30 years. successfully. and so of course, it's right for somebody who comes in and fans the flames, but we have to blame

ourselves and stop blaming anybody else. >> it's a tough problem. and even just having the discussion doesn't mien you necessarily you're going to progress, and the point of that, tim, is that even though this isn't a new issue, it's on the ride. whether you look at domestic terrorism or the openness, the brazen nature of the demonstrations that we're seeing from the right wing extremists. what do you think is feeding the growth? >> what i think is feeding the growth is there's a lot of people that feel victim identifiized and it seems strange, but there's a some sort of -- the des sim nation of the white race, and this is nothing new. i think the best way to combat hate -- and i agree with daryl on a lot of issues is that the way to combat this is to love

them. it sounds difficult for people to do. everybody wants to politicize everything. i think it's highly politicized situation right now and the best way to move forward for this particular country and situation is we need to understand that these are human beings as well. and hurt people hurt people. >> what changed your mind and your heart and got you to leave that belief? >> for me, i got burned out. i was completely obsessed with the destruction of the white race in my mind. i lived in a war zone. between my ears, mostly, and was in a very lil lugs nal state of mind. in my late 20s, early 30s which is very common for formers to disengage from it.

fatherhood is a major attribute as well. it usually takes people three to five years to disengage. these days, back when i was trying to get out of the white racialist movement the, i didn't have any resources. at least today there's people such as myself and other organizations around the country who unfortunately have lots their funding due to the current administration, who are there to help navigate others out of radical liesed sort of mindset. >> it seem the, daryl there's been a boost given to the far right in the form of this new label of alt-right that has given some kind of protective cover for what many just see as another brand for racism. how is that complicated the job that you have of trying to get people to move away from that ideal system? >> it hasn't complicated it at

all. le 4rlet me jauts add to somethg tim was saying. what's happening is this. the reason why we're seeing this rise is because when i was a kid, the population of black people in this country was 12%. the native american the were 1.9%. his tan nicks and asians 2% or 3%, whites 84%. today black people still remain at 12%. hispanics have surpassed us according to the u.s. bureau of census. if we just take blacks and hispanics, 12 and 13, that makes 25% not white. and the alt-right et cetera, they are predicting -- and rather accurately -- that by 2042, p will be like this. the it will be 50% white and 50% non-white and shortly thereafter whites will become the minority in this country, and that is

very troubling to them. with all people i deal with, what they keep telling me is i don't want my grand kids to be browning. they call it the browning of america. when you sat on the seat of power of supremacy for so long, you don't want to get up off that throne. that's why we're seeing this rise. now, as far as alt-right goes, the original term from way back was white supremacy. but a lot of violence came behind the name white supremacist, lynching, church bombings, burning, dragging people behind cars, et cetera. and there were white people who did not want to associate with blacks and jews and things like that but did not want to participate in the violence so they began to distance themselv themselves. so it changed to white separatism. now it's alt-right.

but a rose by any other name is still a rose. >> it's important to understand what's going on in the heads and hearts of these people and it is good to have -- tim, you could be right but that's a hard prescription for change when you have to love what it is you're against. >> love drives out hate every time. >> it's true, it's easy to say and hard to do. thank you for helping forward this conversation. >> thank you for having us. america's top general giving the press a pretty sobering assessment of the military solution to north korea's nuclear threat. what he said is next. just go t. they add thousands of new deals every day up to 60% off. that's how kaley and i got to share this trip together at this amazing hotel. go to priceline and get the hotel deals you won't find anywhere else. tand the alzheimer'sf association is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you.

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heard some emotion words from the parents of he the hooir. >> they tried to kill my child to shut her up. well guess what? you just magnified her. she loved people. she wanted equality, and in this issue, of the day of her passing, she wanted to put down hate, and for my part, we just need to stop all this stuff and just drifor give each other. >> people gathered to remember the 32-year-old who was murdered. the joining us now is he the's coworker. of the thank you for joining us. i'm sorry for your loss. >> thanks, chris. >> so this has become about what the living legacy will be of

heather heyer, not just a reflectsh reflection of what took her life. what do you want people to know about that? >> well, heather was such a great person that the family and us have been in discussion about so many things that we can do moving forward from this spot. one of the major things is scholarship in heather's name, and there's a lot of things in the works, and we just don't want heather's name to diminish, don't want to to leiave its publicity. she was here. she was strong. we want to continue that legacy, and there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes right now and we're just trying to get over what recently happened this week. and you will definitely hear and see more about it. >> look, we're here to cover it. we see you have purple on.

it was explained to us that it wasn't just heather's favorite color but it was dwr it was that signified openness and willingness to be with others and to cooperate and that's why i have it on my tie today. we'll try to cherish that memory. it matters. and then you have the context of of the situation surrounding heather's death, the dialogue in the country as engineered and accelerated by the president. is now about equivalencies and while the kkk is bad, that you had bad actors on the other side as well. the president calling alt-left versus alt-right. what would heather's take be on that? >> oh. i don't think there's much time in your segment so cover what she would say. passionate. she was there at that rally for that particular reason. and i don't want to get so much into the political part of it,

because i'll leave that up to what heather's legacy will show, but she was a soldier that day and that was a war she was fighting, and we all have to remember that she was not the only shoulder there that morning. that everyone there that participated were soldiers and unfortunately, heather's life was taken but there are still soldiers fighting in the hospital for recovery and those soldiers that were there and saw such a horrific incident happen, although their wounds are not visible, their wounds are just as real, just as deep, and i pray and hope those people will one day find recovery. also i just want to share my prayers and thoughts to the two virginia state troopers who lost their lives also that day, and their families, when they were covering this rally and the heyer family and miller law

group. the i want to give my condole e condolences to them. >> it is clear the people and those who loved heather want it to be an inclues i. experience. other people lost their lives and are hurt. i know this is a hard conversation for you to have. thank you for joining us on "new day and please let us know what happens next. >> thank you. i want to just say that let the world love and not hate. >> a strong message needed now more than ever. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. all right. so cnn news room with john berman is going to pick up after that break. there's a lot of news, stay with cnn.

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