president. he said to me his time in the white house should be over. also upset about comments he made about what happened in charlottesville, virginia. that it's it for me. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next, breaking news, two leading republican senators breaking publically with trump. one questioning his competence and stability. the other his, quote, moral authority. will more republicans follow? and more breaking news, a massive man hunt underway for a driver of a truck that plowed into a crowd, killing at least 13 and injuring more than 100. plus, the president's use of the world culture. is it a dog whistle to white see pr -- supremacists? two more republican senators calling out president trump.

this time calling into question the president's competence, stability and moral authority. this time the criticism is coming from two republicans who have been allies to donald trump, one of them senator from tennessee who was under serious consideration to be trump's secretary of state. here he is today. >> the president has not yet -- has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. he also recently has not demonstrated that he understands the character of this nation. >> senator scott of south caroli carolina, the loan african-american in the senate speaking out tonight. scott reacting to trump, blaming both sides for the violence in charlottesville. he said this. >> i am not going to defend the indefensible. what we want to see from our

president is clarity and moral authority, and that moral authority is compromised when tuesday happened. >> moral authority compromised.d joining republicans who have long been critical of trump, the president who was quick to slam gram and flake on twitter today has so far been silent. is his silence an acknowledgeability that their words wound him and does their condemnation open the door for others? so, jim, the president tonight becoming increasingly isolated. look at those two sound bites. even within his own party. >> reporter: absolutely, that's right. what's remarkable about senator corker's comments is that he is not typically a critic of the president. you do often here from jeff flake and lindsey graham they were targeted by the president today, but not so much the case with them. so i think that makes those

remarks coming from those two senators very, very important. but just to give you a sense of what the president has been doing today, he hasn't been out in front of the cameras for the second day since that wild news conference, but he has been active in seesocial media. he said -- and the prodecember t -- that's a false statement from the president. then he went on to ping or excuse me ding jeff flake. he said great to see dr. kelly ward, talking about an upcoming primary opponent is running against jeff flake who is weak on borders, crime and a nonfactor in the senate. mitch mcconnell who often tries to stay on the sidelines of some of these disputes between the president and senators he did weigh in today. he came to jeff flake's defense. jeff flake is an excellent

senator and a tireless advocate for arizona and our nation. he has our full support. so a lot of statements, a lot of tweets flying back and forth today, but interesting to note and very worth noting the president wrapping up his twitter activity this afternoon saying that -- pointing to what general pershing did to terrorists when caught and his treatment of terrorists when he was in the u.s. military. we should point out, kate, many fact checkers across the spectrum have said that is just a pants on fire comment. it is a comment the president made time and again during the campaign and goes to show you he likes to wait on the facts before he weighs in. that is a statement that he's made time and again that is simply not true. it is not a fact. >> definitely going to get to that conversation in one second. jim aacosta, set it upperfectly.

with us tonight, our panel. per. with us tonight, our panel. so gloria, you have questioning the president's stability and competen competence. these aren't statements even. those are an camera, km many of them have been avoiding. how big of a deal is this? >> i think it is a big deal given who it is coming from. you have covered capitol hill. you know these kinds of statements are rare, particularly from people in a president's own party. and i think that corker in particular, who was on the list to be vice president, who was on the list to be secretary of state, who was not known to be a bomb thrower in any way, shape or form, who is very considered and deliberate, when he comes

out and says that there need to be radical changes and that the president hasn't demonstrated stability and competence, i think that people would listen, particularly his colleagues, because this is not something you would normally hear from the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. and i think that he probably considered a long time before he said those things. >> he's a very sober con tell playtive careful senator. david, gloria is talking about that moment and what corker said. let me play that key moment one more time. listen to this. >> the president has not yet -- has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to

be successful. >> he's not just saying he disagreed with the president. he's saying he's not sure the president can do the job. does that concern you? >> i'm not sure he's saying that exactly. and i'll wait to see. >> what? >> we'll see what he says further to clarify his remarks. i don't think he's abandoning the president. he says he hasn't demonstrated it yet. you have a new chief of staff who is going through with a fine tooth comb, job descriptions and organizing things. there has been a removal of the communications director. the president recognizes changes need to be made and they're making changes. he's entitled to his own opinion. but i don't think this is a wholesale abandonment of the president by the republican party like everyone is painting it to be. >> i'm not painting it that way. please don't understand me to be that way at all. >> but you -- we're kind of

saying this is -- listen, i agree with gloria and kate you know senator corker is a very thoughtful individual, bright guy, supported the plts and i don't think what he was doing was throwing the president overboard. he's saying, look, things need to change and they are changing. >> what do you think? competency, tbd? >> competency, stability, moral authority, that is the essence of the presidency. this is his own treatment. david is doing a good job of trying to spin it. but that's what this is. we have never seen this. when a president's own party, yeah, at the final day of his presidency, richard nixon had barry goldwater and others come. that was the last day. that was during watergate. we have never seen this. >> no one is calling for anyone to resign. >> right. >> this is not a dispute about taxes or trade or issues.

this is about his very capacity to hold the office, his stability, his competence and moral authority from as you guys pointed out two senators who represent states that donald trump won evoverwhelmingly and t hot heads. these are very serious deliberate people. >> but, paul, with all of that, you say, take a look at these numbers that imka out from cbs. a majority of americans did not like the president's response to charlottesville, but republicans, they did ov overwhelmingly approve of the president's response. >> which means what we've seen from senators, the rarest thing in washington, political courage. tim scott is not up for re-election. an african-american republican from south carolina, that guy has talent. >> i'm sure your endorsement helps him a lot.

>> he's golden, right? senator corker is up for re-election. he does have a primary opponent. he's in a state where his state loves donald trump. it may be finally we're seeing somebody putting their country ahead of their party. i would also say the president's down to 67 among republicans. that's pretty terrible. he's got to be in the 90s among republicans. >> paul, listen, when we get back in the fall in a scant few weeks, these members will have to all get back to work. their agenda is the same as the president's agenda. they will want to cut taxes, get an infrastructure bill done. everybody is going in the same direction. >> he has teed that up. that press conference was great. that was supposed to be infrastructure. come on. if you and i had any hair left, we'd be tearing it out. >> i agree the president should seize that opportunity to talk about infrastructure and not

only build physical bridges but bridges amongst all americans. i think you can maximize that press conference. i really do. >> to the point that david is making, you know, one good bit of legislation can say good-bye to everybody in the republican party. how does this look? >> perhaps it can do that. we haven't seen a ton of talent when it comes to this white house and getting legislation they want passed. remember, the last eight years of campaigning on getting rid of obamacare or repealing the affordable care act and two attempts that were massive failures for the republicans both on the hill and the white house and infighting that spilled out publically between the senate and congress mall leadership and the white house over how they were going to do this and what they were going to do, i do think this type of -- these type of statements from people like senator scott and corker do not bode well for what might happen when people come

back because these are the types of soldiers you need to be loyal. if he is questioning the competency of his president, i think that is a remarkable statement. we have to keep underscoring that. >> i think and gloria, to the point, the president went after lindsey graham and jeff flake today, almost endorsing flake's challenger. >> he called him flake. >> mitch mcconnell comes out to back up jeff. is this setting up to be a war? >> and, look, mitch mcconnell, the president has tweeted about mitch mcconnell's competency as a leader in the senate and so what you have set up here is this war between the senate and the president of the same party when the president needs these people to get things done. and they need to know that he has their back. and it sure seems like he doesn't.

now, the besign interpretation of what occurred today is that perhaps these senators, and i don't sub prescribe to this, but i'm going to say it, perhaps these senators were trying to send a message to donald trump. >> an intervention. >> maybe it was. he watches television and here is what these allies of his have said, that you haven't grabbed the -- you don't understand the character of the nation and that you need to grab this mantle of leadership. i believe they were being critical, but, you know, you could also say, look, maybe he's going to listen if we actually say it directly to the camera. i think it's kind of like a, you know, a hail mary in a way like we have to get out there and say this because it's what we believe and he needs to hear it from us. >> gloria -- >> david, hang on. we'll have more to discuss. but the president can disband as many presidential advisor panels

as he wants, but he can't disup and down congress. he's got to work with these guys. >> he's tried. >> david, stop it. outfront next, president trump's tweets, he tweets something false about history and terror after today's attack in barcelona. plus, that attack in spain killing at least 13 people, k l kurting more than 100. isis says its souldiers are responsible. trump doubling down. is he setting a trap for democrats? we'll be right back. people confuse nice and kind

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tonight president trump responding to the deadly terror attack in spain with a tweet, a tweet about a story that's been thoroughly debunked. study what general pershing did to terrorists when caught. it's a torry about general pershing following the philippine american war is one the president has told repeatedly and a story that is completely untrue. the panel is back with me to discuss. david, i promised and i always follow through on a promise. the president tweets out a tale the historians say is not true. why? >> so first let me get back to the point that gloria was talking about. talking about how the president

needs, you know, needs the congress. i think, look, i think the congress needs the president as well. the republican party and the president need to get together and work as one to pass some legislation so that they can all go home in two years and run on some accomplishments. so i don't think that the dependency goes one day. the house and the senate need to work with the president. you will see they come back with a robust budget. >> i love robust work. now answer my question. >> as the president's tweet, i know what you say about the snoeps at politifact. we attended the same undergraduate institution, so i know a little about the general. i will say that it is -- the story was conflated. in his mémoires he did right about another commanding officer did something similar in the

philippines. the president was talking tough about terrorism and trying to be tough on terror in that tweet. >> the president, one would assume now knows the story isn't true or as david said is not how he portrays it. his campaign manager actually said this and when it was debunked that that doesn't matter he didn't get it right. it is an analogy he said. is it an analogy this time after this terror attack? >> look, i don't think it is an analogy. i think beyond that the president now -- this is no longer candidate trump. this is the president of the united states of america. when he says things, he is speaking on behalf of our nation as the leader of the free world. so for him to elude to an inaccurate made-up war crime committed against muslims in a time in which we are engaged in multiple fronts in an international effort to combat terrorism, at the same time working with muslim allies to do so, seems questionable at best. it speaks again to the level of

competence and tact required to be the leader of this nation. but beyond that, this is a long -- the next in a long line of incidents with the president more or less using his platform to pass along right wing mails. donald trump is the president of the united states. he is not your grandfather in a basement or that guy you went to high school with posting on facebook. he's the president. when he says something i think it is important what he says is at least in some semblance true. >> let's go back to the campaign trail, though. here's just one rendition. >> general pershing is having -- was sent there to solve a really serious terror problem. they caught 50 radical islamic terrorists. they caught them. they took the 50. they lined them up. they took a pig and then they took a second pig and they cut

the pig open, and they took the bullets from the rifles and dumped the bullets into the pigs and they swashed it around. and then they took the bullets and they shot 49 of the 50 people. and the 50th person they said, take this bullet and bring it back to all of the people causing the problem and tell them what happened tonight. he took the bullet. he brought it back, that 50th person, and for 42 years they didn't have a problem with radical islamic terrorism. >> just to put a point on it, that's not true. it didn't happen. paul, he's still the man occupying the office, though. >> david is too modern to name his university.

it's the united states military academy. david is a graduate of west point and we thank you for your service. i didn't finish the boy scouts, but i have had the honor of lecturing at west point. on that beautiful campus there is a stone, and even graved on that stone is the honor code and it says i will not lie, cheat or steal or tolerate one who will. our president lied. he lied today. we don't tolerate that in america. we ought to at least not have a commander in chief who lies. >> and, so, paul, i'd respond to that and one of our colleagues here at cnn and a friend of mine who is on this network frequently had probably one of the most famous quotes of this campaign where he says the trump detractors take him literally and not seriously. i think that is the case of that right here.

>> i hear you, david. but i will make the case that when you become president, you should be taken both literally and seriously. at some point, it matters. let me move on to this. the president called the attack in spain today terror pretty quickly. it was known in spain as terror pretty quickly also. yet, he still has not called the charts lotville attack terror. here is actually what he said. >> you can call it terrorism. you can call it murder. you can call it whatever you want. i would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. that's what i would call it because there is a question, is it murder, is it terrorism, and then you get into legal semantics. the driver of the car is a murderer, and what he did was a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing. >> but the attorney general says it's domestic terror. what gives here, gloria? >> look, the point the president

was making is whatever gets this person convicted faster, let's call it that. but it is domestic terror and it should be obvious it's domestic terror and i think that, you know, there is a reluctance to use that term because, you know, the president said, well, there are very fine people on both sides and that both sides were to blame to a certain degree and when you talk about radical islamic terrorism as we saw in spain today, there is no two sides. and i think that's the -- you know, that's the question here. there are no two sides in what happened in charlottesville. there is the evil side. there were the nazis. and there were the people who were protesting the nazis. and a man drove his car deliberately through the people who were there trying to protest the nazis. it's domestic terrorism and there aren't two sides. >> and gloria, listen, i don't

think you're going to get a disagreement by that from the president if you spoke to him personally. i think that's exactly what he said on the clip. >> he says i'm going to call it murder. >> what he said, you call it what you want, whatever gets you to the quickest verdict. >> do you think the president would have said that when barack obama didn't call the attack on benghazi terror quick enough? you know what i'm saying? >> i'm saying you have the death penalty here for murder in the state of virginia. i'm not quite sure the statute for hate crimes, but if it's domestic terrorism, i'm sure that's what the president would be for and i think that's what he's talking about. i don't think there is really much there to parse. >> i got you. but when the president runs on you need to call it what it is, you need to call terror what it is and criticize everybody for not calling out terrorism quickly enough. >> it is criminal is what he

said. it's murder. what he said is whatever gets you the quickest verdict, quickest death penalty verdict, i think it should be handed down swiftly and to send a big message. it's abhorrent. i think that's what the president is saying. >> all right. remember that next time something pops up. great to see you guys. thanks so much. next, president trump once called for the confederate flag to come down, but he's not passionate defending confederate monuments and using the word culture. why white supremacists have a darker meaning for that word. whatever kind of weekender you are, there's a hilton for you. book your weekend break direct with hilton.com and join the summer weekenders. steve chooses to walk over the26.2 miles,9 days... that's a marathon. and he does it with dr. scholl's. only dr. scholl's has massaging gel insoles that provide all-day comfort to keep him feeling more energized.

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tonight the president trying

to divert attention from his remarks of charlottesville tweeting this: you can't change history, but you can learn from it. who's next? washington? jefferson? so foolish. outfront now, professor of history and former clinton white house aid. great to see both of you. nicholas, you have been writing about this. the debate began about a statue of robert e. lee, obviously ended up in a very, very, very different and dark place. but on robert e. lee, do you agree with the president -- you agree with the president, it seems, that the statue should stand. why? >> absolutely. i have to say i don't always appreciate all of his tweets, but his tweet this morning was

spot-on. the simple fact of the matter is if you apply the moral standard to the present, the people in the past, you're going to be disappointed 100% of the time. that's a guarantee. none of our national heroes were perfect men. none of them were perfect women. you have to be willing to engage in a suspension of disbelief to have heroes in the first place i would say. so the fact of the matter is robert e. lee is such a figure of honor, of integrity, of gentility. he did a tremendous amount to try to heal the nation after the civil war was over and to tear down his statue at this point, the rewards are simply massively outweighed by the costs and the damage it does to the national

fabric. so i totally agree with the president on this one. >> keith, what do you say? >> i don't even know where to begin. i think donald trump's remarks today, his tweets, were completely inappropriate, beneath the dignity of the office that he holds. no president of the united states should be celebrating men who took up arms against the united states of america. what differentiates robert e. lee and other leaders like stonewall jackson and jefferson davis from george washington and from thomas jefferson, who were also slave holders, is that robert e. lee and jefferson davis and the confederates took up armed, an armed rebellion against the united states of america. that makes them traitors. that makes them traitors and treasonous for a racist cause. that's unacceptable to endorse.

we are not erasing history when we say that. we are embracing a history far more inclusive. if you want to celebrate the history of the south, why are there no monuments in the south to the slaves who suffered during the south? why do we celebrate this one dimensional part of history, which is designed to essentially rebrand the confederacy and at some point was designed to terrorize african-americans. >> to your point, though, on erasing history, ted cruz wei weighed in on the dedabate toda >> i don't think we should try to erase from history. prior chapters, even if they were wrong. >> does he have a point? >> to me? >> yeah, keith. >> i agree with ted cruz.

i don't think he would erase history. i'm suggesting we should remove the confederates monuments and not celebrate this part of history. there is a difference between -- i urge people to go and listen or watch his speech again as the mayor of new orleans. there is a difference between remembrance and reverent. we should remember the civil war generals who fought, but we should not revere them. they may have been good men in other e spects, but they were bad men as far as the united states is concerned because they took up arms against our country. that is a wrong thing. and an american president should never endorse or embrace people who did so. >> could i please address that point? >> go ahead. >> i'd like to point out that president ygrant invited robert e. lee to the white house. he didn't have to do that. and of course i'm sure it was controversial at the time.

but he did that as a gesture to heal the nation. sometimes you have to acknowledge that on both sides of the conflicts, there is honor and there is dekrcency and figus to be admires. casting him aside, it doesn't help the country. it wouldn't have helped the country then and i don't think it helps the country now. >> but there is a difference, don't you admit, between inviting someone to the white house for a dinner to bring the peace as opposed to celebrating that person by creating a monument on his behalf. 600, 000 americans died in the several war. 50,000 people died at gettysburg. we're supposed to think that because robert e. lee did some good after the war that we can forget about the fact that his actions caused the death of more

people than any war in american history. that's unacceptable and time that we as americans stop embracing the confederacy, the false narrative of the confederacy and start to tell the truth of what happened. it was a war to perpetuate slavery and that should not be celebrated in 2017 in america. >> one important part of this is you are talking about history, in recent history back in 2015 after the church massacre, he said it should go. he said i think they should put it in the museum and let it go. is there a difference between the confederate flag and confederate generals? >> there is a difference. you can debate all these things separately, but they are tied together. i personally think he was wrong during the campaign to say that. i understand that the confederate flag is a symbol that offends a lot of people. but symbols mean different

things to different people and in different contexts. and, you know, just like every city, every state makes its own decisions about what memorials to retain and which to get rid of, i think the same is true for the confederate flag. in the state of mississippi, you had more than 80% of the people of mississippi, and that means a whole lot of black citizens vote yes to the flag that contains the confederate flag. and that's because to them it doesn't mean the same thing as it means to other people. so i think the elite is usually very ready to discard these symbols, to appease, you know, some very passionate people on both sides. but that's a mistake because as president trump said in his tweet, it's a slippery slope. and when you start discarding heroes you may not have any left. >> go ahead.

>> i just don't buy the argument there is a slippery slope. yes, i understand that other slave holding presidents were not perfect men and i don't celebrate their imperfections. but i do understand there is a huge difference. a difference between people who did bad things or did things that even were considered not good under today's circumstances that may have been acceptable to some people in those circumstances. there is a huge difference between that and taking up arms against the united states of america. i don't celebrate anybody who was a slave holders, but i do think that american presidents, regardless of their party or political affiliations have a responsibility not to accept or embrace those who stood up against this country, who took arms against this country, who fought against the united states. >> i still wonder, though, what is the change between trump 2015 and trump 2017? that's one thing we'll just have to keep wondering for now. outfront next, the word culture.

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tonight questions about a single word the president is using to talk about the debate

over confederate statues. today he tweeted about the quote history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. it echoes this press conference this week. >> what do you think of thomas jefferson? do you like him? okay, good. are we going to take down the statue? because he was a major slave owner. it's fine. you are changing history. you are changing culture. >> but do racist groups hear a darker message in the word "culture." a former fbi agent who is also a fellow at the brennan center for justice and national security and editor in chief of the daily beast is here. so this is a conversation we started last night, michael. it is interesting it's moved on through today. what is it about the word

"culture" that resonates with white nationalists? >> they consider white sul chcu. they believe white people created every cultural innovation that we enjoy today and are interested in whitewashing history in a way that only celebrates white heroes and white important people. so their concept of where we're living today is that their culture is under attack, that they are -- that civilization is being threatened by these illegitimate forces, whatever they are and different groups have different ideas of who an enemy is, whether it's jews or globalists or muslims. they have different iedeologies but the idea is we're victims and we have a right to defend ourselves. >> you don't have to look very

far. it's not very hard to find white nationalists using that word. just listen to this. >> they would be reduced to minority in which their culture is a slide show. >> barry is not a person who will defend the rights and heritage of the europeans. our constitution, our declaration of indepen ds, our values, traditions and culture and i think we're losing those things. >> the arrow is pointed against white identity, pointed against white people defining america culturally and socially. >> is there any doubt in your mind what they're talking about? >> no. it is barely a dog whistle. i mean, what they're talking about is the sense of vict victimhood. kind of the way that people talked about segregation in terms of constitutional defenses, right? you've got to elevate it, dress

it up in order to seem like you are fighting for something dignifies. there is nothing wrong with the idea of celebrating western civilization or defending our civilization. but this is a dog whistle designed to appeal to folks who feel that the white national identity is under attack and that has been a really ugly strain throughout recent american history and going back. >> but in the end it is a word, michael. could it just be a coincidence? >> no. it is one of many words. as i said last night, it's how these ideas permeate into our society and affect our policy. it was interesting with the horrible attack in barcelona the comparison there is no hesitation for even people in media to use the phrase radical islamic extremism where we would never use that phrase to talk about the cue cluck klan who

consider them christians. they know it would offend millions of christians who don't identify with that horrendous belief system. yet, we don't have that concern with how many millions of muslims we're offending by using that phrase. >> that's the key point. it's the moral imaginatioimagin. the idea of inclusion, it's about that our civilization actually stands for ideas that are inclusive. one of the things that makes being an american unique, it is not your race. it is never your race. it's all about do you subscribe to an idea, an ideal that's open to anybody? and that's the fundamental division. whether the president's intentionally doing this or not, i think it is part of a troubling pattern. you mentioned the phrase globalist as code. we see that term as an insult emanating from some folks in the white house.

so it is an indication of some of these ideas that went mainstream. you have to keep your ear clear to it because some folks are hearing what they want to hear and that's ugly and empowering if they hear it from the president of united states. >> next breaking news from barcelona where at least 13 people were killed. a man hunt is now underway. allergies with nasal congestion? find fast relief behind the counter with claritin-d. strut past that aisle for the steroid free allergy relief that starts working in as little as 30 minutes.

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breaking news. a manhunt under way. i want to warn you the video we're about to show you is graphic. it all started under 5:00 p.m. local time when a van drove into a crowded pedestrian plaza that's very popular with tourists. isis says they're soldiers of the islamic state. two men have been arrested. police are still looking for the man who was driving the van. and moments ago police towed that van away from the scene. melissa is out front in barcelona. melissa, do the police have any idea where that man is? >> reporter: no. tee tails are being emerged. authorities believe they know what the man is dressed like. he's not armed. the witnesses saw him flee the scene. it remains extremely fluid.

we now know there's a police operation 12010 kilometers south of barcelona. we don't know yet whether that is linked to what happened here. just over nine hours ago two streets away from me this horrendous attack when that truck plowed through those crowds of people. we know two people have been arrested. we believe that is to do with the events of the night here. we know that one man was arrested afterward. the other, we're not clear whether he was arrested before, but he's linked to a house that was blown apart yesterday evening. we believe one spanish national was killed in that explosion and it might have been linked with tonight's terror attack. you can see an extremely fluid situation with that incident still ongoing 120 kilometers away from here, police have warned locals to stay away, but clearly as that manhunt continues, so many questions about precisely how he was connected to those individuals

under arrest, whether it's connected to the one. very little yet on the 13 people who were killed, their nationali nationalities, identities. so many questions for people in barcelona that we'll continue to keep an eye on. >> so many people in hospital. 100 people injured. thank you so much, melissa. i really appreciate it. liam witnessed the attack. he's joining me by phone. liam, can you hear me? >> caller: yes. >> can you police explain what you saw? >> i was -- i was coming down the rambla as if you're going from the port. i was skateboarding down the road and i had my music on. i was skating down and then i

hear vaguely like something -- some noises from my left. at first i think it's my music, and then you see hundreds of people getting up and running and then i put it together pretty quickly what was going on and i did the same. i grabbed my skateboard and ran. the van came to a halt next to me. i was directly right alongside it and it stopped. i was still moving. i jump off, picked up, and turned around and started running. >> did you know right away? did you think right away this was terror? >> i really didn't know what to

think. like after -- after five minutes i thought about it. i guess yes and no. you kind of don't want to think it is, you know. you want to think it was maybe just a small accident or something. but to this point i still didn't know it had driven down -- it had dlirch down half of the rambler. that's pretty far. at this point i thought it mounted the curve nearly and just kind of hit some of the kiosks and stuff. i didn't no-know what was happening. and then you look at the ones that happened with respect to london and you think the same thing. you immediately think it's linked to that. >> we're so glad you're safe tonight. liam searle. thank you for being on the

phone. i want to bring in lisa. lisa, it's great to see you, unfortunately under these circumstances again. the department of homeland security say they've reached out to their counterparts in spain? what are they talking about? what are the conversations like right now? >> the first thing they're going to be doing, kate, is reaching out to the individuals that they work with sometimes on a daily basis in law enforcement, in the intelligence community over in spain. this is why it's so important that we build those relationships so at times like this we can rapidly share information, and that's what they're going to be doing now. the fbi, the cia, the other elements of our intelligence community here in the united states are going to be going back through their intelligence collection, back to their understanding of what they've been seeing in the recent past. we've seen isis affiliated media channels now claim credit for this attack. they're going to be looking at all of that traffic and make sure they pass everything they

can to their counterparts in spain. >> part of the president's job, of course, now in the aftermath is to reassure the country in times like this, we're going to be okay, we we're going to do whatever we can to stop an attack like that from happening here? how do you assure people when you see a car running into a group of people? >> well, kate, this is the new phase in our fight against terrorism. unfortunately as you've mentioned at the top, we've seen this tactic all too frequently, the use of everyday items, everyday tools to commit these heinous attacks, and the message should be that we show our resolve and strength and solidarity with our partners. and here we have a nato ally who has been -- had this tear very inflicted upon them, and we reassure people that they need to go about their daily lives, but they need to be vigilant. we cannot show that we're

changing our way of life. that's what the terrorists want. >> lisa, it's always great to have your perspective. thank you so much for coming in. i really appreciate it. 13 people killed, more than 100 injured. we'll keep our eye on that. thank you for joining us. "ac360" starts right now. good evening. we're continuing to get information tonight about the terror attack in barcelona, spain, as well as a police investigation going on. four fatalities 75 miles south of barcelona. this is different than what we heard about from earlier today. we want to begin tonight with president trump who toshlgt has members of his own parties questioning his own moral compass and stability. those are not our words. those are the words of fw op laur lawmakers. last night we heard something pretty shocking about what his