zblrvelg good evening, we are getting late information on the barcelona terrorist attack and police operations going on with four fatalities 75 miles south of barcelona. this is different than what happened earlier today. we'll bring that throughout the next two hours as we learn new information, but we begin with president trump who, tonight, has members of his party questioning moral authority, his competence and stability. those are not our words. as you see, they are the words of gop lawmakers. last night on the program, be

bernstein said something shocking. >> there's considerable evidence there's a consensus developing in the military at the highest levels, in the intelligence community, among republicans in congress including the leaders and business community that the president of the united states, donald trump, is unfit to be the pit of the united states. that's the undercurrent. i've talked to you about it for weeks that i've been hearing in washington. there's increasing talk about his emotional and mental stability as david referred to earlier. this is extraordinary. it's a dangerous moment in our history. >> extraordinary and dangerous, he said. well, this afternoon, senator bob corker, a republican from tennessee, who at one point was said to be consideration for president trump's secretary of state, said this about president trump's fitness for office. >> the president has not yet been able to demonstrate the

stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. we need for him to be successful. our nation needs for him to be successful. it doesn't matter whether you're republican or democrat. >> senator corker's remarks hours after the president rage tweeted about senator graham saying, "publicly falsely stated that i said that there was moral equivalency, and people like heather heyer. such a disgusting lie. he can't forget his election denouncing. it's true, he did say she was not on the same level, but keep in mind, the next day, tuesday, president revealed clearly true feelings about the demonstrations in charlottesville saying, clearly,

there was similarities between nazis, racist protesters, and those protesting against them. >> there was a group on this side, you can calm them the left, you call them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. so you can say what you want, but that's the way it is. >> you said hatred and violence -- >> i think there's blame, yes, i think there's blame on both sides. you look at -- you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. i'm only -- and if you report it accurately, you'd say that. >> you had bad people in the group, but you also had people that were very fine people, bon both sides. >> fine people on both sides.

blame on both sides. violence on both sides. if only we could talk to someone who was there. it's a shame we never talked to a reporter who was on the scene. oh, actually, wait, we did. and when the president says that there were good people at this march, quietly there to protest removal of the robert e. lee statue, that not all were neonazis, what do you think? was that true? >> no. everyone who was there knew what nay were doing. they were shouting jews will not replace us. it's very well-coordinated. there was an order to the chants, like, there was no mistaking. there's no innocent person wandering up and accidently getting involved in this. >> so there's that. still, the president says he was not establishing a moral equivalency between the nazis and heyer, but pointing the finger at other counter protesters who the president

incorrectly says they did not have a permit to protest, unlike the nazis who had a permit. he ignores the fact they violated the terms of the permit. another senator weighed in today with this criticism of the president. >> what we want to see from our president is clarity and moral authority that moral authorities compromised when tuesday happens. there's no question about that. >> senator scott and corker were not alone today. senator richard bird of north carolina said the president is misguided in remarks about charlottesville. the president pushed it further today, clearly seeing the advantage and refocusing attention on confederate monuments, sad to see the history of culture of the great country ripped apart with removal of the beautiful statues and monuments. you can't change history, but can learn from it. who's next? washington? jefferson? so foolish. he said the beauty taken from the towns and parks will be greatly missed and never replaced. that was this morning.

the president seems to try to change the subject from his inaccurate portrayal of the tragedy into a culture war between those who spooupport th monuments and those who want it removed. the marches were not about a robert e. lee statue, but they seized on it for clearly political reasons. by this afternoon in the wake of barcelona, he was back on the twitter machine, advocating to what my moderate observer is a war crime. quote, what they did to terrorists when caught, there was no more islamic terror for 35 years. this is the not the first time the president talked about this alleged moment in history. he spoke about a several times in the campaign, listen. >> they were having terrorists like we do, and he caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage and killed many people, and he took the 50 terrorists and he took 50 men and dipped 50 bullets in pig's blood.

you heard that, right? he took 50 bullets and he dipped them in pig's blood, and he had his men load his rifles and he lined up the 50 people, and they shot 49 of those people. the 50th person, he said, you go back to your people, and you tell them what happened. and for 25 years, there was not a problem, okay? 25 years, there was not a problem. >> so back then, he was saying it was a 25-year solution, and now it's a 35-year solution. anyway, keeping him honest, historics say what he's referring to, the handling of a moment in the philippines in the 1900s, did not happen, did not happen. that's one thing. for another, if the president somehow offers this made up story for example of what he'd like to do today, today, that would be called a war crime.

where does this growing criticism from republican lawmakers leave the president and agenda in new polling shows 55% of american disapprove how he handled the tragedy, he enjoys strong support. 67% among republicans. joining us, our panel. david, i mean, those words from senator corker, questioning the president's stability, his competence, how significant is that coming from someone who is not only republican, but someone who is, you know, been a white house ally and avoided criticism of the president? >> it is significant, and, yet, we are going to have to separate out the kind of significance. you just showed the poll numbers. republicans overall are still with the president. that doesn't make corker's break with him less significant. it is incredibly significant. this is a man who doesn't really delve into the daily political to and fro, very much a workhorse in the senate, and he is using language that we've not heard, never mind from the democrats, but any party. we just have not heard some of

the government use this before. the key thing that i think is so significant here is that we are two days after, anderson, that press conference, and two days later that senator corker and senator scott made comments. to me, if i'm president trump, i look at that and say, i have a problem to fix here. >> although, david, you know, a lot of folks on capitol hill, republica republicans who tweeted, you know, about how bad nazis are, racism is, never mentioned the president's names. i mean, you have these two questioning the president's fitness to serve by members of his own party, but there's a lot of other folks on capitol hill that distance themselves from what the president said did not make app attack on the president. >> that's absolutely true, anderson, and many, many republicans have not spoken up against the president, but they have also dodged sticking up on his behalf. i do think that especially senator corker, his statements

today represent one of the most significant breaks from allegiance to the president that we've seen in this entire saga. bob corker is now a chair of the house foreign relations committee, but one of the most respected senators in the country, and he carries enormous weight, was considered for vice president, considered secretary of state, and i think carl bernstein and i argue here and carl is forceful on this, that the issue of stability, the president's emotional and mental helts is going to become increasingly important focus of this story, and should be because there is something about the president, the way he responds, you look across the board, this was so much anger and impulsivity and distrust and narcissism that those are questions, ultimately, about the

stability that senator corker's now put forcefully into play. i think that is really important along with the competence question. >> yeah, i mean, to hear the senator talk about it, use that word "stability," you don't hear people question the stability of the president of the united states every day. >> right. certainly not publicly, certainly not from a republican, a and, remember, corker is up for re-election in 2018. the president essentially encouraged a primary challenge for jeff flake out in arizona, so i do think this is a significant and notable break. you know, maybe it's saying something about the way some republicans are going to charge 2018, as an average at some point, but i don't think we know yet what this actually means for legislation and how they'll vote. corker, for instance, was in some ways critical of health care reform and repeal and replace efforts, but went with what the president wanted to see and what mitch mcconnell wanted to see. back from recess, there's debt ceiling, budgeting matters, tax reform as well.

does what corker said and what some of the other senators have said like scott mean anything for how they they behave in terms of backing trump's agenda in the way that mitch mcconnell lays it out come fall. >> you said the president talked about tweeting out today, you know, studying what general persing of the united states did to terrorists were caught, no more terrorism for 25 years. he was talking about dipping bullets in pig's blood. besides the fact it's false, i'm not clear what exactly he's advocating here. i mean, he's the president of the united states. obviously, in this day and age, what the allegation is would be considered a war crime. >> i --i'm not quite sure what point he was making either, anderson, other than that you have to be -- he believes that one ought to be brutal, that it makes no difference whether they are war crimes, frankly.

what's really important is you put them down. the point was that persing did this horrific thing, dipped bullets in the blood, if you got infest the with pig's blood, that's fatal. you go to hell, not heaven. i think what he was endorsing was a very strong response to terrorism is the only way we'll put this down, and by extension, by extension, some of the people who were -- and charlottesville on the right, you know, they had to use -- his argument would be they were facing, you know, thugs and they had to respond in a thuggish way, and we all know that's not true, but i think he's -- i think that's just his world view. >> david, do you agree with that, that there is a linkage there? >> i don't -- >> i think the feat was about terrorism and it was after barcelona, it was in the news,

and i do think david's right, though. what donald trump is doing here is less take his words literally and more just be brutal and tough at all costs and damn be political correctness. that is the place that he's in right now, and that's the argument he went to go make in the trump tower lobby on tuesday in his mind. it was just enough with this pc nonsense. this is a way for him to go and try to fortify his base, his most core base of support. >> go ahead. >> go ahead. >> well, i was going to say, he's all lionizing the past, right, lionizing a general in this case, in this sort of brute mass cue lipty and force, and he does this a lot, i think, particularly on the matter of terrorism, right? he talks, for instance, about taking families out of terrorists. he's suggested that. he talked about torture and saying that actually worked, even though people don't believe that worked in terms of forcing confessions, so i think this is classic trump.

i mean, there he was in front of the audience, cheering on with this visual, you know, notion about pig's blood and generals. that's what he's up to. he has nostalgia for the way things used to be, and this idea that in some ways, generals and people and americans have gotten weaker, and part of that weakness, as david said, has to do with political correctness and liberals and at left, and he's the one that is going to restore the old order. i think that's what he's getting at in many ways with the fables. >> yeah. thank you. just ahead, man who wrote "art of the deal" predicts how much longer the president will be flying on air force 1. tony schwartz just ahead. there's a man hunt now underway in barcelona.

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unclear so far whether it's in any way connected to today's terrorist attack in barcelona itself. that left 13 people and 100 people hurt, two suspects in custody from that. however, the driver of the van, the mass murderer, remains at large. first, how the van attack unfolded earlier. >> reporter: around 5:00 p.m. local time, a white van accelerates into the crowd on one of barcelona's most popular boulevard. driving at about 50 miles per hour according to eyewitnesss, zigzagging in effort to hit as many people as possible.

spanish authorities confirm it was an act of terrorism with isis already claiming attackers as soldiers of the islamic state. >> i saw the merchants, pedestrians, people flying over the vehicle, you know, just flying, you know, all around the vehicle, and it was just a really, really horrific scene of, you know, immediate carnage. >> reporter: panicked survivors fled the horrific scene. the 13 dead and more than 100 injuries strewn all over the boulevard. this woman points out the number of bodies she can see from her window. two armed men jumped out of the van after it crashed. police believe they were trying

to reach a get-away vehicle. two suspects allegedly involved in the attack, later arrested, though the driver of the van is still on the run. spain now joins the growing list of european countries with britain, france, and germany to see vehicles used as weapons of terror against unsuspecting crowds of civilians. >> sickening. a lot to talk about including new operation reportedly happening south of barcelona. becky anderson is in barcelona, and, becky, first of all, start with the new incident we're hearing about. where exactly is it? what do we know about it? >> reporter: this is the town of southwest of barcelona, and what we are being told at present is there is an ongoing police operation. it is not clear whether it is

associated with the terrorist attack that happened just two blocks away from where i am tonight in barcelona earlier on today, but police authorities telling us that three suspects, three suspects have been as they described taken down in what is a possible terror attack. again, i'll be very clear about this. it is unclear at present. we are trying to ensure that we are translating spanish media appropriately, but it's unclear at present whether what is happening 120 kilometers southwest of here is associated with what happened in the center of barcelona today. what we do know is that residents of that town are being told to stay indoors. as you rightly pointed out, the incident today involving a van plowing into pedestrians on what was an extremely busy pedestrian street in the center of

barcelona killed 13, and we have some 100 others injured. some 18 nationalities involved as victims of the attack. you appointmepointed out the va abandon the vehicle, fled the scene, and is on the run. reportedly, authorities told us there's no evidence that he is armed. it appears, according to authorities, that he and possibly another may have been trying to get towards a get away vehicle. it is not clear whether they made it. so that is the situation from hours ago. we have an ongoing situation now. >> all right. just to clarify a couple things. first of all, the afternoon attack, two armed people seen, apparently seen by witnesses, running from the van. do we assume one was the driver and the other was another person, and we assume that driver's not been caught. the two people have been caught. we know is one of them the person who left the vehicle, or do we not know?

>> reporter: that is not clear either. there have been tourists, one a man of moraccan dissent, another a man of spanish identity from a spanish enclave. it's unclear whether they are connected with what happened here. you can see the developments are very, very quick here. >> and just -- okay, i got it. >> reporter: the -- >> go on. >> so this other incident that's happening, this other operation, we don't know if that's -- if there was a separate terrorist attack 75 miles out of barcelona, more recently, and now there's a police operation for that, or if the police operation that's going on 75 miles outside of barcelona has to do with the early terror attack. we don't know if there's a second terrorist attack police are responding to or if it's another operation in relation. >> reporter: correct. >> okay. i wanted to clarify that.

isis claimed responsibility for this. is it clear -- or known for sure it is isis? >> they claimed responsibility and proof. >> normally offer proof? >> sometimes they offer proof, a video, attack might have reported or jihad name they have. they are opportunistic, and they frau fraudulently claimed attacks before. >> we are going to put up pictures we just received from tape of the operation. again. we don't know if it's a separate terrorist attack police responded to, and they say say neutralized some people or if it's a police operation based on the van terrorist attack in barcelona earlier today. continue, sorry. >> right. to we don't know whether isis was involved. they claimed attacks before where they had no role whatsoever.

even terrorist attacks, remember the manilla casino attack. that was nothing to do with them, but said it was them. we have to wait and see, but, certainly, this treated with a great amount of seriousness, horrible loss of life, and, also, very troubling details. the knight before, there was a huge house explosion about a couple hundred kilometers away, and one possibility is that that was explosives involved. might have been trying to build a bomb, several bombs, might have been some kind of malfunction that did not work out, so they went to plan b and improvised this attack today. >> what are the capabilities like of the spanish intelligence, spanish police, all in terms of coordination with others, and in terms of history with terror in spain, i was trying to think, there was a train attack years ago? >> that's right. madrid bombings in march 2004,

worst attack in the west since 9/11. 491 people killed in the attack. after that, spain hashass stre n strengthenstrengthe strengthened. they have been going after these rad cams, terrorists inside the country, a couple hundred arrests. as a cause of the arrests, investigations, they are in barcelona, a center for radicalization, inside the country, in fact, just in prapr, nine arrests of a cell believed to be linked to the brussels isis cell, and barcelona has seen plotting activity before. >> we're continuing to follow this closely. we're going to talk to an american who witnessed the van attack earlier today. we'll talk to him later on tonight, and, paul, thank you, becky anderson as well. be careful. returning to the president next, advisory counsel scrapped

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they are part of the board, joining me now with dr. cornell west. i think of people of strong faith leading moral issues, and yesterday, what's interesting, this is a situation where ceos of companies, generally not thought of as necessarily in the vanguard of, you know, making moral decisions, they are the ones who have been withdrawn from counsels and faith leaders who have been backing the president are still backing him. what's that say to you? >> well, i mean, you know it is a long history of religious traditions of various -- koomding the status quo -- >> seen with dr. king. >> it is critical. >> right, but many others -- >> many others. >> absolutely. absolutely. so when you think about the clarity there in charlottesville, and the others,

they were bearing witness, and tracy was bearing witness, all trying to bear witness. just a prophetic slice. with ceos, it takes them awhile because of profit calculation and moral witness, but thank god they are willing to step guard, but most pornd importantly ther awakening and intensifying of bearing witness around the country. >> interesting, i thought that earlier, talking to a rabbi, talking with him later on, but he was saying there were brother and sisters who were catholic, other denominations, coming, standing outside with him outside the synagogue saying we want to stands here to help protect you, even though we are not members of your congregation. that's what i think you talk about with people standing up. >> absolutely. it was in the legacy of both

rabbi and the professor herself, but i want to say this, though, it's a crucial moment in the history of american civilization. we reached a low point. this is not a nadir. i come from a great people who after being hated for 400 years still talk to the world so much about how to love, and because justice is what love looks like in public, it means you are willing to keep track of not just the best, but pay a cost, put your body on the line, to keep the best of the position, but the specie, and most in history is a cycle of hatred, violence, terror, trauma, domination, oppression. what breaks it is bearing witness to justice, radical democratic control so that the victims of empire and male and white supremacy, the history -- the victim of antijewish hatred,

when those victims have a power such that they render those who are treating it wrong accountable, and that's what democracy's all about. without the love and without the dialogue and without the bearing witness, we lose it. >> mr. jackson, i want to bring you in here, a supporter of criminal justice reform. days ago, the president told a crowd of police he wishes they would rough up suspects more, let them hit their heads, and now says there were good people in the mob of white supremacies, and outside the church that dr. kor a cornell west was in. does any of that give you pause on this president? >> not really. at this point, i'm advocating reentry programs, people recapturing their lives, part of reform has to do with over

criminalization of the african-american community. i believe he's open, his administration is open to working through some of these systemic problems that we have. >> let me ask you -- >> on the counsel -- >> where do you see that? >> voice about the issues. >> where -- >> where i see it is in my discussions -- >> the president doesn't seem to talk about that. >> not at the point yet to talk about those things publicly, but i can tell you that they've come up privately, and if you are a profit to the culture, you have to be in the room with the person you're prophesying to. i believe our president needs biblical direction. i believe that we need to do all the things that dr. west talked about who is an iconic figure in the african-american community, but i think we're going to have these voices operating on both sides of the aisle, republican and democrat, and i believe that

we're going to have to deal with the education gap in america and have to bring jobs to the hood. so what i hope is that this president will engage in proactive problem solving at a very, very grassroots level. that's why many of the folks on the counsel are still there. >> let me bring dr. west in. >> no, no, i would say to my dear brother is certainly we want a variety of voices and different contexts, but when you get in that room, you got to tell the truth. you got to bear witness. you got to keep in mind frederick douglass, what's going on. love is not a plague thing. love requires unbelievable vulnerability willing to take a risk, open yourself, emptying yourself to be of service to the most vulnerable. the underdogs, those who have been trashed, margin alized from imgrants, elderlies, transfolks,

and so forth. but i, when you think of amos, and -- >> don't critique me. >> i don't know enough about you, but if i did, i would have something to say. all of us need to be criticized, brother. >> be a voice for the voice. we need to be a voice for the voiceless. yes. >> absolutely. >> we all -- >> we are fallible, though, brother, that's all i'm saying. >> but only voices we're hearing for justice are progressive voices, not conservative voices as well, we won't get the message. what i hope my congregation will do is be radical missionaries who enter both parties and then engage in this democratic process. largely, we are having african-american and hispanics ignored because they don't vote. we don't vote. we don't engage. we don't -- we are not active

when in the proactive beginnings of the stages. so i hope we, you and i, covenant together to work together towards god's goals. >> i understand the argument of being in the room where it happens to, you know, quote from hamilton, there is a concern, though, i think some people not in the room have that -- folks in the room may be being used because, you know, you're in the room, but are you really being listened to, the voice being heard? i'm wondering, is it possible there would come a time when the president does not move on criminal justice reform and if the justice department moves down the road, they are under jeff sessions, which seems to be exactly the direct opposite direction from where you want it to go in criminal justice reform, that you would rethink your involvement, that you'd step down if you felt your voice was not heard? >> well, i think that's a matter of personal integrity. we got to believe that our

presence counts, so, yes, if i feel like i'm never going to be heard, there's no need to waste my valuable time. i'm a cancer survivor. i feel like i'm on a mission to make a difference with touching millennials and criminal justice reform. >> agree. >> those are my life issues. i'm not going to compromise or sell out on those. >> i appreciate that. let me just to finish with you, you know, there's a lot of folks stopped in the street the last couple days. people are scare. nay are worry. people are black, white, gay, straight, whoever they are, a lot of people from a lot of vantage points. what do you say to the people tonight sitting in their homes worried this is not the country they recognize, that this is not moving the direction that seems inclusive of all people. what do you say to people? >> i would say that it's clear that the nation has the blues. we can learn something from a blews people.

a blues people are on intimate terms with catastrophe. you wake up every day with a heart ache and heart break. for me, it's not new. for a whole lot of folk, indigenous people, working people, it's not new at all, but we are fortified. we're not just staying in the work, but we are staying fortified because we can make a difference, but we make a difference by doing what? telling the truth, truth allows suffering to speak, being sensitive to those who suffer, no matter what color m one of my critiques of my dear brother is you can't just talk about black people. be morally consistent. stay in contact with the humanity of everybody. that's indigenous people, la tee knows, gay brothers, lesbian sisters, bisexual trans, people around the road in africa, tel-aviv, gaza and so forth. you can't be tribal and narrow. you need the over arching vision, that's the tradition of israel. you listen to that love.

>> can i add a last word? >> sure. >> yeah. >> i think this is so very important. the church is at fault in many ways at what's happening in our culture today. >> that's true, my brother, that's true, my brother. >> right. martin luther king jr.'s letter from the birmingham jail still applies to today, so i accept your critique, and i would just open it up. we need to call our nation to pray. we need to have a focus agenda, and some guys like you and me, doctor, who i deeply respect, we need to learn how to work together across these great aisles so that there will be a unified sound of conscious and return to morality that this nation needs. thank you. >> mr. jackson, appreciate you being with us, and dr. west, you bring frederick douglass and marvin gaye in the room every time. >> i salute your truth telling, but you got it wrong in that context. >> appreciate it.

i like when you call me brother. >> oh, you are my brother. >> we're getting new information about the police operation south of barcelona. more on that, live report on that next. the guy who wrote "art of the deal" donald trump said he wrote it, but there is a guy who wrote it, what he thinks likely happens to the president. he thinks the president is going to resign. i'll speak to the author, tony schwartz, ahead. are you done yet?

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as we reported, spanish authorities have been carrying out another operation, a separate one, south of barcelona. spanish media reports four terrorists are dead in the wake of that. we are joined now, so this operation, becky, 75 miles outside of barcelona, and what do we know? >> reporter: let's be clear about what we know and don't know at this point. this spanish state broadcast,

tve, reporting that four terrorists, as they described them, have been killed in what they describe as a terror incident in the town of cambrils, 75 miles southwest 6 barcelona. what we know is this is a separate incident, not, it seems, related to what happened here in barcelona late this afternoon. about two blocks away from me, the main pedestrian thoroughfare here in barcelona, where 13 were killed and more than 100 who were injured when a van plowed into pedestrian tourists, throwing them across the road. this is men, women, and children. the van driver fled the scene here, abandon the vehicle, and he, as we are understanding, is still on the run. we were told little earlier that there is no evidence that he's

armed. it does appear he may have been trying to get towards a get away vehicle. it's not clear whether he made it. so it appears two separate incidents, one, around 5:00 p.m. this afternoon, a deadly attack when they plowed into pedestrians, 13 dead, more than 100 injured, and in the past couple hours, and only reported in the past few minutes, four terrorists, as described, now dead, 75 miles kilometers, so 75 miles southwest of here. that is what is clear at this point. anderson? >> becky, appreciate that. we'll continue to follow this throughout the course of the next hour. more now, though, here on home, president trump's difficulties, and tony schwartz knows the president in a way nobody else does and thinks the president resigns, ultimately. he spent a year with schwartz.

he tweeted this, quote, the circle is closing at blinding speed. trump will resign and declare victory before congress leaves him no choice. it's effectively over, amazed if he survives, likely to resign by fall if not sooner. tony, i wonder what, we talked about this before. you thought this for a long time. what makes you feel this so strongly now? >> the snowball is gathering momentum coming down the mountain and reminds me of water gate and last days of nixon. when the tide turns, it really turns, and that's what happened here. you look at the range of things that have happened, most notably his response to events in virginia this last week, and what he has gone back and forth saying to kim jung un about

north korea, and you got kind of -- he's put himself in an isolated no-win position. the level of destructiveness is staggering. what he has done is pushed away all the potential allies. and they were beginning to diminish in number anyway. but he has now pure pushed away business people, ceos. he has now pushed away bannon. you see bannon playing politics with his own boss. he has pushed away a good percentage of the congress, even in his own party. so where is the potential to survive? and sitting in the background is mueller's continuing investigation into russia. he's been lying -- it's not he started lying when he became president or when he started running for president. this is a man who's been

deceitful and manipulative for 50 years plus. so what's going to get uncovered by an investigation that really looks into every corner is almost incalculable. and my belief about why he'll resign -- go ahead. >> for a president who hates losers, talks about losers as if losing something is the worst thing imaginable, if he left the presidency before his term, wouldn't he be considered a loser and wouldn't that be intolerable or do you think he is going to try to come up with some way as sarah palin attempted to do quitting seemed like working harder or being a victory? >> yeah. there's no question he's going to do that because he paints even the most disastrous of things he does, including what he said about the events in virginia over the past week, as evidence of his own brilliance.

so what he's going to do is he's going to blame it on the democrats. he's going to actually blame it on the republicans. he's going to blame it on anybody he can and he's going to say that he did everything he could to save america and, by the way, i don't want to write his talk for him, his resignation speech. but he is going to try his very best to paint this as his own victory and he's the ultimate victim. but he did everything he could. >> all the time you spent with him -- >> he's going to do it, of course, to stay out of prison. that's why he's going to do it. >> all the time you spent with him, did he ever express any sort of moral equivalence between racist and those who counter them? were you surprised by the remarks he made unscripted, without a teleprompter on tuesday? >> look, it's hard not to be surprised by any human being who says the kind of unbelievably

crazy things he said. it's not even moral equivalence. believe me, the word moral never came up during the 18 months that i spent with donald trump. that was not part of his vocabulary. it was, how do i do whatever is best for me or what i perceive is best for me and how do i get over on everybody else. the idea of moral equivalence, i guarantee you that that phrase is no more than a few days old in donald trump's brain. >> tony schwartz, thank you very much. i appreciate it. coming up, we're going to hear from the rabbi in charlottesville who was inside the synagogue as nazis marched by chanting sieg heil outside. we'll talk to him ahead.

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the president of the congregation beth israel in charlottesville tells a harrowing story. of what the rabbi and dozens of people went through inside their synagogue this past friday. a man dressed in fatigues with a long rifle standing across the street from the temple shouting there's the synagogue and sieg heil. having to remove the torahs and a holocaust scroll to keep them safe, because they were afraid the synagogue was going to be burned down. earlier today i spoke with rabbi tom goodhertz. i'm wondering if you can describe what this past weekend was like for you and other members of your congregation, particularly on saturday when you had neo-nazi, white supremacists, people with automatic weapons outside your synagogue. >> yeah. well, i tell you, it was obviously very shocking to see. also in some ways a wake-up call. you know, it's one thing to read

the hate on the internet or on a website and you imagine a person sitting in the basement typing it out in anger but to actually see the hate, to see it really walking in front of you, to see people walking around the streets, it was really quite an experience. we had people all over town armed, walking around with arms, all kinds of uniforms. nobody quite knew who was who. eventually you did, you know, when they started chanting or when they unfurled their flags. that's part of the experience here of being on the streets of charlottesville and seeing just people marching past with a lot of anger in their eyes and carrying guns. people were trying to find the right way to react and to keep the tempers down and to be able to express ourselves peacefully without encountering violence. all over there were scenes -- one day the story will be told of all the incredible things that happen and of the solidarity that happened between people here in charlottesville

of all faiths and all different kinds. >> the president has a religious advisory council. to our knowledge, no one on that council has resigned in protest over what the president has said. i'm wondering if you're surprised by that, if you feel that as a person of faith, that somebody at least on that council might have stepped down. >> yeah. i mean, if i had a teaching to share with the president, you know, it would be this. i mean, there is a teaching that says this. it's not just for the president. i think it's for everybody. every person. but certainly for leaders. you know, he says if you believe that you can destroy, then you must believe that you can repair. and i think that means that once in a while everybody who is a leader, whether it's of a small organization, a big country or just a person, sometimes has to look in the mirror and say, have i been part of this, what have i done? and if you recognize your part in it, it's to do whatever you can, the same energy, the same passion, the same skill that created a problem, you can apply

to repairing the problem. and that's what i think leadership is about, helping to repair and helping to move forward. and i would hope that the president and everyone else who is involved in would take that to heart. >> you know, one of the things that the president said was that on friday night, on the uva campus, those people who had marched upon the robert e. lee statue, that there were good people among them, that they weren't all neo-nazis and white supremacists. this was a group of several hundred, mostly young men, or men of different ages, carrying torches chanting "blood and soil," chanting "jews will not replace us." just as a rabbi, as a person of faith, when you heard the president say that there were good people there in that crowd, is it possible for good people to march with torches chanting those things? >> yeah. i was -- i was actually inside the church while that march was taking place. we were part of a very, very broad interfaith service b