august 18. poppy harlow has been here all week and there's been a lot of news. >> sure. >> up first, the death toll rising to 14 lives lost. 13 of them taken when a van plowed into a crowd of people in the city's popular district known as la rambla. many police just arresting a fourth spect. the search continuing for the driver of the van. the latest victim die canned d second attack. the five terrorists were killed at that scene. the police say they're working under the assumption that the incident was linked to the one in barcelona. >> president trump responding by tweeting a debunked story about a general killing muslims over a century ago with bullets dipped in pig's blood. the republicans this morning calling out the president publicly questioning his fitness for office and his stability.

let's begin before that though with our coverage in barcelona with cnn's reporter. >>reporter: good morning, poppy and we're beginning to learn a bit more about who the victims were. the one was a father, and he had a 5-year-old son and a baby. they were here as a family on vacation. this is an attack that shocked spain but the population here to a certain degree was bracing itself for this type of violence. it is also reverberated across the globe. among those killed and wounded people from 24 different nations. here's a look at how the events unfolded. it was just hours after a white van plowed through crowds of pedestrians on one of the ba barcelo barcelona's most popular streets. 70 miles south, injuring six

kr civilians and one police officer. authorities fatally shot the five attackers in the car that drove into pedestrians. the late night incident is believed to be related to the terrifying earlier attack in barcelona that killed at least 13. and injured more than 100. >> saw people flying over the vehicle, and i was just a really, really horrific scene of immediate carnage. >> witnesses say the driver the van, who remains on the loose accelerated to 50 miles per hour. before zigzagging down the boulevard attempting to hit as many people as possible. >> he was plowing people down and swerving left and right and it was a -- my taxi driver stopped and we froze and he said oh, my god, oh, my god. you just can't even imagine that fear that just -- it comes over you. >>reporter: it was sheer panic and total chaos, frightened

survivors ran for cover. the famous promenade was covered in bloody bodies. one woman documented the carnage from her window. >> it was just crash, crash and screams and cries. >>reporter: investigators are now desperately searching for the driver who abandoned the van before fleeing on foot. spanish authorities are calling the assault an act of jihadi terrorism. police have arrested multiple suspects in separate scities on who is connected to this house explosion in catalonia that killed one woman the night before the attack in h barcelona. in h the square behind me, there was just a moment of violence, and then the crowd gathered here, started chanting we are not afraid. this has sadly become something of the norm across europe.

it's the sixth time in recent years that terrorists have used a vehicle as a deadly weapon. thank you very much. let's get right to one of the witnesses of this attack. omar popal. joining us now visiting barcelona from san diego, california. the you're okay thank god. how are they. >> i'm traveling with one of my cousins as well, and they're doing okay. just still trying to really understand everything that happened after the events yesterday. >> not going to be easy, going to take time to process. we appreciate your taking time to help us understand what you lived through. what did you see, my friend? >> so we were -- me and my cousin were both heading toward the las ram blas and wanted to go to the beach so we grabbed a few snacks and starting to head out. as we approached the exit getting closer, all we heard was

people-what i saw a small group of people starting to yell and scream and everyone followed suit and started heading back the way that we initially came from. the so i just looked at my cousin and told her to run and we both just tried as fast as we could to get out of there. in the process of running out of the market, all i could see was like families trying to find their children, and i saw in front of me a dad and his child fall as well. i mean i tripped right behind them. it was very slippery and wet and chaotic. no one was really thinking. everything was very instinct-driven and thankfully we were all able to get up and run out as quick as we could. in the process we heard a loud shattering bang, something a that sounded like a gunshot. we were terrified and get out as quickly as possible. >> what did you think was happening and when did you learn what it was that someone has using a vehicle to try to hurt as many people as possible?

>> i'm sorry could you repeat that. >> what do you think it was when you first started to scramble? what did you think was happening and when did you learn the reality of what it was? >> i didn't find out that it was a vehicle until about 10, 15 minutes later. i was constantly refreshing any news media outlets i had trying to see what happened because we didn't want to go back into the direction of where the chaos started from. we thought someone had a firearm and was unleashing it. that's the first then we heard and were able to make sense of. we were very terrified there was either one or multiple guns at the scene. so that was what was initially going through our head. it could be some sort of a terrorist act. >> what do you think about the idea of a man or multiple people using a van and going through a place that crowded trying to swerve and hurt as many people as possible?

what do you make of the situation? >> personally disgusts me that things like this are possible and that they happen and people don't realize how realistic it is. the for me it was very sur reel i never thought in a million years the one day i'm on vacation in the specific area. seeing all the terror on everybody's faces is really unexpected. i really couldn't make sense of it until after we got away. i saw someone injured and i was this is like actually happening. a real situation i was in the middle of. just very difficult to really make sense of and really disgusts me there are people like this that will go out of their way to harm others. >> the threat is all too real but so is the response. the what have you seen from people since this terrible event? even in the hours after and the scene behind you now. how are people responding? >> thankfully, light after the

incident took place, i saw a lot of police vehicles and ambulances coming there. the about 30 seconds to a minute later. so thankfully i felt there was a very quick response. today, walking down las ram brass in h the side of the street vigils being held. people they're related to or knew or just to be there in spirit. very kind of unifying feeling. and entire community coming together, not just us, the locals, but tourists like myself and my cousin. >> it's important for you to be part of that response. thank you for joining us. i'm happy you're okay and your cousin. we'll keep in our thoughts all those who were not. omar, be well and thank you for joining us. thank you so much. appreciate it. so let's bring in our panel. editor in chief of -- my life

inside al qaeda. peter, the author of united states jihad. k -- author of ashley's war. nice to have all of you here, experts on all of this. peter berg gin, this morning you have a new cnn -- not an opinion piece, a fact piece, laying out what has led us to this point in the increased use of these vehicles by so many to i a tack so many across europe. the what stands out to you about what happened in spain? >> well, unfortunately this is part of a pattern where we've seen 14 vehicle attacks in the last 12 by jihadist terrorists and two by sort of right wing extremesists. if p you thing become it from the terrorist point of view, the chaos was just as effective as

debt detonating a large bomb. if you look at what actually has unfolded, it really isn't that sophisticated. there was a failed bombing, it looks like. they had fake explosives, using vehicles as weapons. this was not what we saw in h paris or brus els where highly trained people with ep withens and bombs that worked killed 130 people in paris and 32 in brussels. so i think here, the fact that isis is described it as soldiers of the caliphate is the same terminology they used after the orlando attack when he disease key scribed as a sold soldier of the caliphate. >> how do you thread together what they're doing in an attack like this with what's being learned somewhere else, the size of the cell's coordination that people are worried about?

what does this situation speak to in this regard. >> i think this is exactly what people are trying to figure out. i was in syria last week reporting on the front lines of the isis fight. and there you saw a lot of people who are fighting isis insi insi inside and you see this thread and influence going. the you talk to senior military leaders in the u.s. and what they will say is it is much easier to till a terrorist than it is to slay an idea. battling the ideology is the longest term and hardest fight. >> since we have the beauty of your perspective of the horror, frankly, in syria, the fact that isis is being weakened and has been so weakened on the ground, how does that translate to what we're seeing? for example, spain had been rather immune for over a decade. they had many fewer spaniards

going over to syria being trained and coming back. but now they are part of the other countries that are victims of an attack like this. the what does it tell you? >> it's also personally, i lived in spain and spent a lot of time in tarragona and barcelona. the these are beautiful tourist towns that don't normally see this kind of activity. what you see on the ground shah they are increasingly cornered. increasingly returning to car bombs, vehicle-borne ieds, there is a sense they're being backed into a corner so the inspiration and ideology becomes more important. >> let taes take that idea. fight the man. also have to fight the ideology. that leads us to how the president responded when he said study what general per shing

did. he is referring to this mythology that surrounded the tactics. it seemed untrue about ditching the bullets in blood and shooting 49 terrorists and sending the 50th one away with the bullet. but the idea he is to say studrstudy a med not like this. >> it's deeply offensive to a billion people on the planet. it's inflammatory. people in u.s. counter terrorism are very concerned about this because it could paint the target on the back of americans tour i.s overseas. the military. use forward recruitment. even more willing to attack the united states. those words were not well spoken. >> peter, you're analysis of the president not only pushing a

myth but doing it mere hours after this tragedy of a nato ally? >> clearly, you know, promulgating things that are false is not helpful. the i will say this. at the groups that are attacking the jihad zist groups don't mention trump very much. there's been a lot of discussion about how this might be inflammatory et cetera. the but isis hasn't really mentioned trump at all in its propaganda. and that's maybe some what surprising, but if you think about the way they think about the world, for them, whether it's bill clinton or george w. bush or george h.w. bush or president obama or trump. essentially the view is american foreign policy is kind of the problem here. whoever is president is largely doing the same thing every other american president has done. i would be careful to jump to the conclusion that somehow trump's statement about pershing

is going to be inflammatory. >> regardless what it means to the enemy, it means something to the americans. there is a belief that war is held, you're fighting savages, which is what they'll call terrorists and that you should match methods and we've been too soft and weak and america has to be you tougher and fight the way they fight and that's how you win. what do you make of that? >> this is what senator mccain who is a survivor of the prisoner of war camp and who experienced torture. we cannot be an america that counters and tacts just like those we oppose. i do think you hear -- i would have been in a lot of places where people say yes, that is exactly what we should be doing. the but when you talk to folks in uniform they are the last people to say that, in part because for example, when you talk about how you talk about the muslim community, how you talk about people from across the world. you're talking about american shoeld soldiers in those

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ask your healthcare provider for the simple blood test. it's the only way to know for sure. the mother of the woman run down in the charlottesville attack is speaking out this morning. . she has a strong message for president trump. she says she hasn't talked to the president and "after what he said about my child -- i saw an actual clip of him at a press conference equating the protests with the kkk and white supremacists. >> let's discuss this. he was also the virginia chairman of trump's campaign. >> great to be on the show. >> the mother's upset because she doesn't like the implication that people like her daughter are being inny way equated to people who do nothing preach

hate. >> it's tragedy. what is even more tragic though is cnn tried to exploit that woman's death so say all this violent was caused by the far right when you know darn well that there was a violence by both sides and a radical left wing organization which you and other liberals have refused to d condemn. >> the first thing, you do not believe that the killer here should be seen as a terrorist. jeff sessions does. >> i believe he's a murder. >> that's fine -- >> insulate him. >> i don't want to argue at all. >> despicable human being. >> why would you defend him from the identity of being a trt. >> chris, did you ever hear me defend him i'm never going to doeft a murder. you defend violent lefties. the i've never heard any

republican defend this son of a gun who murdered this poor woman. >> why would you suggest that it is not an act of terror when someone drove a car, just like what we just saw in barcelona and so many other places, to try to terror rise people and killed one? why would you say no that's not what it is. >> that is not a defense. look, chris, there's a situation here when you got a have the prosecutors define this, whatever kind of crime it is, first-degree murder, cap pal murder. >> jeff sessions says it is. do you agree with him? >> look, i'm going to look at law enforcement personnel and prosecutors, if they say it's terrorism, it is. i'm not competent to answer that question. i believe it's a murder that needs to be furnished and what concerns me is the left and democrat the refusing to condemn condemn -- shooting steve skal leez by

the way which you never condemned. i'm emboldened and going to do it again as the blood is going to be on your hands. >> cory, i would caution you no the to be reckless with the truth on this particular show. >> you do it all the time. every morning. >> cory. okay. you can make your generalist versions. i get that it is a clever defense when you have nothing valuable to say. the idea cory, that we or anybody else didn't jump on the situation with what happened to steve school leaska lease, that turn out the person that did it and ideology -- want to zblsh -- want to hear the answer? >> do you call that terrorism. >> do you want to hear the answer? yeah. do you call that terrorism? did they call the shooting of him -- >> if the authorities had said

it was, i would not have disagreed with them just to motivate my own agenda. >> terrorism tact -- >> jeff sessions said it is. yes sessions said it is. >> well, if that is his conclusion, i haven't heard that -- >> you haven't heard it. >> that is his conclusion. he called it an act of domestic terror and looking. le so you change your opinion. >> if it's described as an act of terror by the attorney general, i will accept that. aim note a prosecutor. >> but i think it's a window in to what you want to be true. you don't know any knowledge. facts on the ground. >> neither do you. >> about who started violence. >> i know a heck of a lot more than you do i guarantee that i'll prove it right now. >> violence by the left? in chfarlottesville. >> listen. everybody condemns violence. the mistake you're making is you're saying what brought the people to that rally, their

motivations are equal. and that's what got the president in trouble. and that's what gets an apoll gist like you in trouble. the kkk did not go there to fight against hate. and some do it the right way. some do it the wrong way. heather heyer and many people like her went there to fight against hate. the kkk went there for one reason. to spread hate. they don't care about the stat stew. it was a ruse and you know it. >> everybody's condemned the kkk chris. >> when you ignore the motivation for attendance. >> every -- >> you em power the hate. that's why they're thanking you. >> every politician. >> your friend jason kessler and the far right is thanking you. >> including yourself have not condemned the far left. it is taking over your party. >> how's you're piece?

can you hear me? >> agregressive violent organization you have not condemned. >> can you hear what i'm saying to you? you're not responding to what i'm saying either. >> because it's -- because you only one want side. that's the definition of cnn. >> frankly i'm a little shocked by the lack of lodgic. in violence wrong in yes. are people -- from antifa wrong if they are violent? yes. you've got to be willing to listen. it's helpful. are people from antifa wrong when they're violent? absolutely. are people like heather lyre wrong for going there to fight hate? no they're not. they're right. so you try to make an analogous argument. >> you're trying to exploit this poor woman's death, exploit her family and play on everyone's emotions over this horrible murder. >> why is the mother -- >> to make your point.

that's an argument. >> why is the mother upset at the president? why are members of your own party stepping out against the president for his moral equivocation? why is david duke thanking the president for what he said. >> the president did the right thing by condemning violence on both sidesk something that cnn and the left have refused to do. >> because you cannot -- afraid to do it because they know. >> equal what the kkk does and what people who protest against them. you can't equate them. >> labelling any conservative as a fascist and a racist and that's -- >> the it's not true. i get that in your mind antifa and the kkk are the same thing. i get it. that's a problem. you just said it. you don't want to own it but that's what you just said. >> what i said is the violent organization which the left has refused to condemn. >> you want all conservatives to be painted as people that

support the confederacy and want the statues to stay up. i have to tell you -- did i say that? i did not say that. >> you said that a lot of conservatives -- that is the supporting the conservative side of this. that a lot of conservatives believe in the cultural identity of having these statues up. it's just not true. >> why don't we have a mog monologue. why do you bother to have a conservative guest on your show when you're not going to listen and respond. >> i am listening. this is what you do. you make buzz and energy by being contentious. that's fine but i think you have to own what you say. >> are you looking in the mirror again. >> i'm looking at you. as difficult as it might be in this current situation. i'm looking at you. good looking man but make an ugly point. >> i thanks for that i guess. >> the idea that good people were down there to protest against taking these statues down. it's a fact and dangerous a --

>> all right. is this a monologue or can i ask you a question. >> absolutely. >> are you stating every single person who doesn't want to remove these monuments that came down there to protest against that, that every single member one down there was a member of the kakk or a a neo-nazi? >> i am suggesting what we know from reports on the ground that your suggestion that a lot of got people were there marching alongside the kkk because they wanted to protest taking down a statue is demonstrably false. >> how do you know that. >> because we had people on the ground who saw no parallel march and nobody there chance chancing along. no familiar threat put out or speech given. it wasn't organized. >> it turned into a big fight when you have leftists and far right people who were fighting

each other. i can see what you're putting on the screen now. >> how do you feel about in a? where are your good people? >> what happened that day is you had a fight between two radical left wing and right wing extremists who came there for a fight. the and there is violent. we need to condemn both sides, not just the right. you've got to condemn the left. otherwise you're going to get more and more violence committed bied side that was never condemned. they are going to hoopen again. we should stand together and condemn all violence in america. >> by the motivation matters. when you came down there to spread hate and you've said it was wrong to go there. >> when you don't have an argument you drop the term hate or white supremacist. >> you don't think the kkk and neo-nazi went there to spretd hate? >> chris -- you just said that i

went down there to spread hate. i was not at that rally. >> if you want to join that rank, it's up to you. >> you just said that. the you just maid that accusation. >> i'm saying when the neo-nazi and white supremacists showed up it was just a ruse. the. >> chris how many times to conservatives have to say that. everybody condemns neo-nazi and the kkk. everything. the question is when is the left going to condemn the far left terrorists leftists like antifa, which organization -- the left has got a double standard. you won't condemn the violent. >> his son was arrested for protesting. i'm saying, cory, the basic premise of trying to say that anybody is like the kkk. >> nobody every said that.

>> that's why you're getting thanked by david duke. but poppy we're going to go to you. cory, remember this. they're getting thanked by david duke. >> i've never been thanked by david duke. i don't want his thanks. >> because of what -- we've always condemned those organizations. >> obviously not well enough because they're thanking you. appreciate you being on the show. there's a lot to unpack there. he tried to make it a lot about you and cnn which you didn't respond to because that's not what it's about. >> the tactics are fine and fair. he can do it. but the problem remains the same, which is you want to talk about the violence, which goes to the how. how did they protest, how did they counter protest. that's fine. but to say that the motivations are equal on both sides and must be called out is dangerous. it's just dangerous because you have one group where all of them are about hate and another group where some of them wind up being

about violence. the and you can't compare all with some. >> no, you can't. heather heyer's mother said -- and you'll hear it shortly this morning -- because the president did that, she does not want to talk to him. let's bring in peri bacon, he's with us. senior political writer for 538. also with us is josh green. and senior national correspondent for bloomberg business week. i hope you heard that interview. perry bacon, your first thoughts. >> my broad thought is two years ago we had a racially charged killing in charleston, south carolina. the american president gave a speech that unified people on both sides, brought people together. made people look differently about the country peeking about how we to bring he each other together. the two years later we had

something happen and donald trump's words, whatever you think of them, did not unify anyone, did not bring anyone together and president obama was invited by the family to speak in charleston. it appears heather's doesn't want to speak to donald trump at all. it goes to the point that the presidency usually has this kind of moral authority. president speaks for everyone and brings people together and as that roll, republican or democrat. and donald trump has abandoned that role. >> when we talk about the role, perry, it's an important point. one of the things you need to do, sometimes you have to be provocative because the reality is -- you know because of what you did in your book: the president has made a choice. that the people who believe in these kinds of things that white identity is being marginalized, that economically, white america is being reduced.

the nationalism that may form around that that steve bannon believes in very deeply. that's what the president has decided to invest in. the cory stuart. the what is his point. >> kkk is bad but they have an equal opposite in the left. it's defining an enemy that is largely a boogie man. of course they have done things wrong and people who have glommed on to blm is wrong. that's when a protest turns into a riot but to equate the right with an equal ugliness on the left is a ploy. >> i think that's right. and i think it also explains the problem, the overall problem donald trump has had as president. the during the campaign -- this is is what i wrote about in the book -- he and steve bannon understoonbannon -- all you had to do wz win 50% plus one of the vote to get in

there. tearing apart your enemy. essential an election is a zero sum game. governing is president -- you need to bring the country together to get beyond the tragedy like the one we saw in h charlottesville device is actually the worth kind of approach. it doesn't heal the country. you see trump's presidency almost collapsing in real-time. he's been abandoned by the business community. >> david duke thanking him. >> he's got white supremacists on tv saying -- >> back in the real world he's still going to need to govern. the debt ceiling needs to be raised. all kinds of things knead need to haen. they had -- ultimately hinder your ability to be president of the united states. >> let's take a moment and

listen to the mother of heather heyer. she just did an interview. >> so i hadn't really watched the nude untews until last nite. i'm not talking to the president now. i'm sorry. >> what -- after what he said about my child. it's not that i saw somebody else's tweets about him. i saw an actual clip of him at a press conference equating the protesters like ms. hooir heyer with the kkk. >> this is a woman who came out and thanked the president for his sort of second statement on this sunday. the then just said i heard his heart on tuesday and i don't want to talk to him. what does this mean for the presidency? >> think about this week. the presidency has so much power and the president has so much power, business leaders almost always want to meet with the president because he has a lot

of authority to change their trajectory. american citizens almost always want to take the call from the president of the united states, the leader of the free world. the i can't remember in a long time hearing a citizen saying i dote -- particularly when they their child died saying i do not want to hear from the sitting president of the united states. i think it makes it hard -- talking about policy and the republican party later on, but makes it hard for the president to govern and bring people together and to lead the country when people don't want to be associated with him. when people don't want to talk to him. when everyday citizens don't want to be around him. this is a really profound week. trump's had a lot of problems in his presidency. the this week when we look back i think will be the week where he lost a lot of authority, not just with congress but with everyday americans and businesses and companies and the people you need as president. >> well, look. we'll see. i feel like it's as clear now is when neo is looking at the

matrix. what's going on here is simple. is it difficult? is it alienating? yes, on certain levels but it's a facilitating on other levels. going cultural is easier than winning on economics and policy. that's w he was supposed to return manufacturing. that's why the people voted for him and forgave who he is as a person. but this is easier than making those realistic economic realities come true. >> i think of it as a political sugar rush. you can start these fights and get a lot of attention and fire up people on both sides an it's very friendly to cable news which is something he cares deeply about but ultimately inhibits his ability to govern. we've seen it drive away not only by democrats, but now republicans like senator bob corker, very moderate restrained

thoughtful well respect the republican has essentially come out and said publicly that the president has lots his grip on reality. it is going to be very, very difficult, more than it would have been two weeks ago for trump to move forward with any kind of ledge slaet tiv agenda while he is carrying on the world he and ban non have obviously chosen now to push as hard as they can and to exacerbate rather than trying to heal the nation and move forward in a more positive direction. >> it becomes a battle of seconds. the president is going to do what he's going to do. the cory stuarts win the republican party. that's the balancettle. >> will the adults in the republican party every publicly break with him? people in h his administration and say look, this has gone too far. we need to go in a different direction. >> gentlemen, appreciate it. city leaders across the u.s.

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meanwhile, cities across the u.s. are having to deal with these issues because it's often a local issue. joining us now is the mayor of dallas. he's called for creating a task force to weigh the issue. mr. mayor, thank you for joining us during a very important time. >> thank you, chris for being interested. the. >> so, mayor, what did you learn coming out of your situation, the tragedy that you had to deal with in dallas? >> you know, race has been a big issue in the history of dallas. i mean we were a bassian for the kkk decades aago and the mad man took the lives of officers because he wanted to kill white men. so as we look at how to bridge that divide, i think the president, any leaders, must be uniters first, as opposed to playing to a political base. that's the measure. can you unite people to find a

third idea, a better way forward in this. the you've got to be a clear communicator. you've got to make sure you speak the truth, and then you must listen to people. and really understand that the process of coming to a new place is going to be as important as the decision you make. that's the way you bring people together. they appreciate it. they may not always agree with you, but the real empathy towards their points of view is very important. >> what is the risk in what you see. we had a fire breather on who's sporti supporting the president and saying this is covering the alt-left. it's pretty clear what path the president is on. he is going to engender this movement. what's your concern about that? >> well, it's device ivisive. if bestart to play that this tit for tat thing the country

continues to be divided. we become less strong. i wish the president would unite our country, stop with the dog whistles, stop with the innuendos, let's say what it was. we had a terrible white supremacist group trying to take advantage of something to make a political statement. that's not going to help the country. it's not going to help dallas. >> what do you think about the statues? we kn we kn we kn we know -- >> i'm proud of mayors and cities that have taken action. we started this a couple of months ago and it's moved very, very. fas fast. the it's not just the question of statues. we've got if into a new conversation. that's why i've supported that for the removal of these. but how we do it is critical.

our citizens have a lot of points of view and i want to make sure we gain it. i want to be stronger coming out this. not just solving one issue, because this race issue is about listening to one another. it's about understanding one another. this is a gift that we are given to make sure we do this in the right way. and so i'm pleased at how we're approaching it and hopefully we'll get over this and be stronger as a country because of it. >> well, that is a procedure ideal. we'll see how it manifests itself. mayor rawlings thank you for joining us. >> the fact that he said i want us to be stronger after this. i think that's the message to leaf everyone with this friday it we can. be stronger. the stronger together after this, if there can be in h the unity. >> that's the goal. and when you see people working against that goal. that's our job. we call it out. >> nice to be with you this week. >> you were great all week.

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