>> who can? the group of leaders who swerve the most praise this week are the military brass. in a re-marcable act of

leadership for people who work under the president, all five of the heads of the armed forces independently issued statements unequivocally denouncing racism and bigotry. maps because the military has been the institution that has most successfully integrated the most diverse population. perhaps it remains an old-fashioned place where a sense of honor standards and value still holds. the military chiefs have shown why they still command so much respect in the country. america's other elites should perhaps take note. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read me washington post column this week. let's get started. in the wake of the charlottesville rally and attack last weekend, the new yorker published a fascinating frightening article entitled is

america headed for a new kind of civil war. the reporter talked to experts and tame to startling conclusions. what is going on in america? how did we come to this. joining me now the reporter of that new york article. she's a contributing writer for the new yorker.com. angela is a cnn political commentator. mark lilla is a professor of the humanities at columbia. roy blunt jr. is an author, humorist and former reporter. he spent his form a tiv years in the american south and that region continues to be somewhat of a muse for him. he's written book after book about it. >> mark let me start with you. steve bannon is out of the white house but his intellectual

influence steeem the to still dominate. in a sense he says i agree with the thesis of your book which is as long as the left plays identity politics-desh he said bring it on. it does appear donald trump whether he has him in the white house or not is still listening to steve bannon because that is the strategy they're pursuing. >> if steve bannon says it works for him i'm inclined to agree with him. he's someone who knows his business. identical politics in this country really means two things. on the one hand, it means a focus on understanding our social problems. and understanding any problem in america you need to understand identity. but when it comes to addressing those problems, identity politics as a strategy has been disast disasterous. because rather than establishing

a connection between those affected by the problems and those who may be unaware of them or unaffected, you into ed to build a bridge between people. >> you're saying when blacks say these are black issues, whites don't feel like they connect to them. >> well it's even worse than that i think in some of the more radical identity group the. they say you must understand me and my problems and you canned understand me because you're not me because you don't belong to my group. that's a trif inerrific turnoff people and a missed opportunity to build a bridge and to see that there are certain principles and certain experiences that we share in this country. it's an opportunity to gain allies, and identity liberals keep shooting themselves in the foot. >> the problem is identity politics has been played by non liberals as well. in a sense, the right has always played with some form of identity politics just white. that's what all the dog whistles

about race have been, reagan starting his campaign in philadelphia, mississippi. >> you think about the war on drugs, when the tea party rose for the first time and they started talking about let's take our country back. you think about donald trump saying make america great again. what makes america not grate. he announced that mexicans were drug dealers and rapists so it's very clear anything other is wrong or bad. it's damaging the country. i was initially nervous about what you would say about identity politics and i couldn't agree with you more about building bridges. i think the challenges is when i'm forced to say the issue in a way that digestible to you that means i'm uncomfortable. where is the bridge where we can have a dialogue where we are

fostering dialogue. i think for me as a african-american person i find myself on the defense. i'm so often in the minority. it's a minority view from a minority person you assume is angry. there's so many hurdles to overcome. >> your point is find those issues that unite, economic ish y eus. >> it's even more than that. the for example i'm not a black male moat arists. i will never fully understand what it's like to be in a situation where you look in the rearview mirror and see the lights going. however, i am a citizen and i understand what it means not to be equally protected under the law. and if you put the experience under a principle we all share, then people can identify. but if you say that you cannot understand my experience because of your background, you're inviting people to close the

door. >> so robbin, this gets to the, seems to me the fundamental issue in your article, which is we seem to be so far apart. we seem to be so far apart as a country. of what i've been struck by in h the last few days is the stunning degree of support for donald trump's position after charlottesville, the very high support for maintaining every confederate monument. these are 70% range for republicans, 80% depending on how you ask the question. and that gets to your article. is this gulf so wide you think and the basis of that reporting we really are in for a new kind of civil strife, if not civil war? >> well, i think no one's talking about the kind of pitch battles along neat geographic

lines. what people are talking about is lointensity contact with sporadic violence which results in call out the national guard and challenges political authority. i think you've seen a number of conditions in this country that get far beyond identity politics but a emerge from it. no middle ground, no meeting place to resolve it. it's the weakened institutions such as the courts, and it's the & abandonment of the higher moral ground by leadership. it's the legit mization of violence as a means of engaging in discourse or resolving disputes, that there are a lot of things that are very worrisome. i am a child. i went to college in the late 60s, and early 70s per during the period of the civil rights movement and anti-war movement. united states has in the past had a process of self-correction through the courts or through legislation, we got back on

track. what's worrisome now is that you find that the leadership in the country is not taking that higher moral ground and is fanning the flames are polarization. the firing of steve bannon is not going to get us beyond this moment in history beyond the with dwooiftneivisiveness. the problem is the -- because of the kind of support we see by so many behind donald trump this is something that's going to be with us for quite a while. >> roy, how much of this is the south? how much of this is the fact that we have never completely come to terms with -- that i think about it because when people say there are some similarity what the germans dealt with their past. partly because it's clear modern interpretation that hitler and all the nazi were bad terrible evil people the. you will never find a statue to

them. there is am bilens about robert e. lee. >> yeah. well robert e. lee was a symbol. the south -- not just the south but the whole country seemed to need somebody after of the civil war. the civil war was a horrible sordid carnage. it was just a horrible thing. the more you read about it, it's just disgusting, that war. so they put up statues. the statue in augusta, georgia that says carved on it no nation rose so white and fair, none fell so pure of crime. this is like standing out in the corner saying we never did anything wrong. it's embarrassing. the it's ludicrous. the so me i'd love to take them down. robert e. lee was a living statue or recently deceased statue that was supposedly pure.

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and we are back with robbin wright, angela and roy blunt jr. mark i want to come back to you to ask about again going forward. it does seem as though the trump strategy right now is go to your base, and play this game of white identity politics. will it reinforce a kind of die hard opposition on the left? what should the left do?

your book is written as you put it as a once and future liberal. you don't want them to play identity politics but what do you do if the other side is? >> the first thing you have to recognize is that it works for them and doesn't work for us. but beyond that, i think what's important here and it showed up in robbin wright's article is there's some glu missing in this country. something that keeps us together. it's not so much we're at loggerheads but drifting apart. there once used to be a democratic vision, democratic party vision, a liberal vision of what we stood for as a nation, what made us citizens, how we could work together in a political way on the basis of solidarity and equal protection. then there was a reagan view, the res government, the better. by ourselves in families and churches. good luck to you. that vision was destroyed by

donald trump. he destroyed reagan's party, now neither party and neither ideology. >> in a sense you're saying liberals never had a response to reagan's. >> that's right. reagan's was antiliberal. the legitimacy of helping each other out. and by retraining, they made a tactical mistake, i think. i don't think many people have a sense and i don't think democrats have a sense of what their vision of the future was -- is. i mean if you listen to the rhetoric of jfk or fdr or reagan, you very quickly get a sense of what kind of world they wanted to create. we don't have that. without a national narrative, without ideologies that even bring parties together, we

become like elementary particles flying apart. that's when trouble starts. >> how do you bring the democrats or the country together? >> well i think first obviously, as a democrat, at least someone who votes democrat, i disagree a little bit. the i think recently they introduced a plan that leads more into economics which is a more unified principle. i think there is a struggle when you're known to be a big tent. there are a lot of different interests you have to cater to. i think historically democrats have struggled to figure out what is that sweet spot. we're different and i like we can appreciate differences. the only path forward, i think, it to begin to tell the truth about our history. it's one that is troubled. it's one that is challenging, full of conflict and full of hypocrisy. until we can embrace what that narrative is, as uncomfortable as it might be for some.

>> that seems to be a recipe for more conflict, because as we tell that history, there are a lot of people who will say that's not my history and as roy blunt was saying, you're politicizing it, or i just feel like you're going to get a backlash. >> well, we haven't -- we haven't resolved many of the issues that surfaced during the civil war including how do you ensure people of color not only voting rights but equal rights so there are a number of haunting questions that still have to be addressed. the 14th amendment is still deeply divisive in this country. one of the things striking about parties is if you look at the period run up to the civil war, you saw the de vicinity grags and the democrats dividing into northern and southern. there are some kind of uncanny parallels and haunting questions

that this nation has not moved together to try to resolve and it plays out in this issue of statues, how ironic, pieces of steel. >> you covered this in 1960s. it seems robbin wrights articles suggest what we might end up with is another period like the late 50s and 60s where you had deep political divisions, some violence, kind of conflict that didn't seem like it could be mediated. what seems similar and what seems different? >> well i was living in the south then, and you had the majority white people were on the wrong side, and so were the majority of the governors and the police. but, you had the national level.

in the white house, we had kennedy and johnson and they were pretty good. but now we have all the way to the top, it's on the wrong side. i mean we've got a president who can't tell the difference between nazis and anti-nazis. that's very unsettling. very confusing and encouraging to the nazis. in some ways, it's more indefinite and scarier now, i think. people -- i don't want to get into shooting, but there was lots of that in civil rights movement and lots of guns out there now. >> we have to leave. thank you all. next on gps from charlottesville to spain. cars and trucks used as weapons. how we shall think of this new tactic of terror.

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to other vehicles, cars and vans, we've seen it in france, united kingdom. now in spain. these are less deadly for sure but still able to meet the aims of these criminals and t terrorists. joining me now cnn national security analyst peter bergen. what is the big picture, what was your reaction to watching once again a vehicle used? >> fareed, since 2014 we've seen 14 of these vehicle attacks in the west. they've killed 129 people and just a school shooters learn from other school shootings and try and copycat them they try to copycat them and obviously, as you referenced, the 9/11 attacks required a great deal of training, money and time. the kind of attack we saw in barcelona doesn't require in a. >> when you look at these attacks does it appear to you it's fair to say these guys

can't do something more spectacular, that's why they're doing these? is this sort of the weapon of the week, most convenient way to do something? >> i agree. the because as you look at what unfolded in barcelona, they blew up a bomb that didn't succeed in doing what they wanted. they had fake explosives. they used vehicles to ram. this is not the isis directed trained finance attack we saw in paris where everybody was armed and well trained. bombs. the killed 130 people. so this, from what we know right now looks like an isis inspired attack. isis has claimed the attack was soldiers of the caliphate. that is a formulation when they're not actually directly involved other than an inspirational way. that's what this looks like. >> the obama administration warned as isis was losing ground, territory and money in

syria and iraq, it would start -- there would be a wave of terror attacks particularly returning isis warriors going back to europe. has that played it several out and is this one of them? >> yes and no. the yes, the french said earlier this month they've had 271 militants return from iraq and syria. t so there is a concern about foreign fighters coming back over the last several years but that concern is re-seeding now because so many are now dying in place on the battlefields of ir 0 rock and syria. >> what does one do about this kind of attack? is it the new normal? and i guess relatedly who are those people? >> i think it is the new normal. it's not just jihadi terrorists. we saw of course in charlottesville and right wing extremists killing somebody.

protecting against the attacks is impossible because there's so many potential targets. you can protect obviously very high profile events, very symbolic target you but then run into the problem you protect those and there are a lot of others to go after. the really, the key is peers and family members. again and again when law enforcement looked at this the people who know the most about radicalization and plot planning are peers and family members. getting them to come forward which is not that easy is the way to stop this. >> always a font of wisdom. thank you very much. next, global lessons on how to memorialize a troubled shameful past without lion nicing the perpetrators. what the american can learn from all places, germany. i switched to t-mobile, kept my phone-everything on it- -oh, they even paid it off!

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i hope investigately, a huge german word. try saying that twice. in typical german fashion, it is a word that means something very specific. reckoning with the past. it's entirely appropriate that it should be a distinctly german word because the concept is one that has been taken more seriously by modern germany than any country in the world. certainly including the united states. over the years since world war ii, germany has gone through the difficult national process of reckoning with its history and the country has gradually come to accept a sense of collective guilt. it has not been immune to pushback and backlash. today there's one part called the alternative for germany but by and large the country has rejected its nazi past. some of this because of laws anyone who uses the swastika faces potential prison time.

hitler es book was not published in germany for 70 years until the copy rite expired. now it is you can barely walk the streets of berlin without being reminded of the dead. around the country there are tens of thousands are brass plaques in the ground which bears witness to a nick very many who lived at that location. around the same time the german government commissioned an official monument with a design that followed essentially the opposite approach. rather than memorializing each victim throughout the country, the memorial to the murdered jews of europe is a symbolic cemetery in the heart of berlin to commemorate the victims. these memorials haven't been without controversy. the so called summabling blocks have oh fended some people who said they are being trampled

daily. this kind of debate is healthy, wrestling with a country ees histo history isn't easy and should not be. america is wrestling as well. museums and monuments soy two different purposes. the south is still littered with monuments with people celebrating their only claim to fain they marched and fought in mute tannous opposition to the government of the united states because they wanted defend slavery. a study found there were still more than 700 confederate monuments, that's on top of all the public schools military bases named for confederates. by contrast there are relatively few to the millions of slaves violently oppressed in these same lands, ironically one of the reasons germany was able to confront its past was america.

when it occupied germany it prohibited the display of monument, poster, street or highway name marker or insignia which stands to revise mill tarrism or the nazi party. demonstrating it could bury its naziism and welcomed a new germany with honor into europe and the world. the circumstances are very different of course, but some of the lessons from germany might well apply in america today. next on gps, president trump has never hidden his disdain for the nuclear deal with iran. >> the superintendetupidist dea time. >> now it appears he's ready to kill it. what will that mean? you ever feel like... cliché foil characters scheming against a top insurer for no reason? nah. so, why don't we like flo? she has the name your price tool, and we want it.

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red hot in recent weeks and might be about to get even hotter. there have been warning shots fired by u.s. ships against iranian ones and very close calls when iranian drones have buzzed the military. president trump will be called upon to certify iran is in compliance with the nuclear deal. remember he once termed it the worse deal now. but twice now as required under law his administration has declared iran in compliance. however, he personally has said he expects to declare iran non compliant when the next review is due and a report in foreign policy has the president has put together a team of aides to pull together the intelligence so he can do just that. earlier this week presumably responding to these reports iran's president said his nation's nuclear program could be restarted within hours if u.s. sanctions are im posed. the my next guest was key in

putting those sanctions into place. david cohen joins me now. >> glad to be here. >> donald trump says that he is sure that iran is not in compliance, but he wants to do a review. i don understand this. is this standard? is this completely unprecedented for the president to kind of arrive at a conclusion first and then have a process? >> well, it's very disconcerting. and it stands the intelligence process on its head. the question that the president is asked to certify every 90 days under legislation that congress enacted in -- as part of the iran nuclear deal is whether iran is complying with its obligations under the deal or whether it's in material breach of any of those obligations. the that is obviously a political judgment but undergirding that is an intelligence assessment.

our intelligence analysts who have access to all of your clandestine the collection, access to what our allies around the world are collecting and access to report the and other open source information are in the best position to make that assessment of whether iran is complying with the nuclear deal. what the president has said is that in his judgment, iran's not complying and then he has asked a group in the white house to provide him with justification, with intelligence to support his preconceived notion that iran is not complying with the nuclear deal. if our intelligence is degraded because it is politicized in the way it looks like the president wants to do here, that undermines the utility of that intelligence all across the board, whether we're talking about north korea, counter terrorism, venezuela, you name the international problem, we

need others around the world to work with us. and one way we get others to work with us is by being able to use our intelligence and for people to believe that it's credible and reliable. if it's politicized, that credibility and reliability is undermined. >> what would it mean for the u.s. to say iran is not complying in the context that the agency tasked with figuring it this out internationally has said it is compliant? the problem is if the united states determines that iran is not compliant, the president refuses to certify compliance, it can go to the united nations and seek to have the sanctions that were suspended snapped back into place. but as a practical matter, you're not going to have the rest of the international community. le you're not going to have the

allies in europe. certainly not going to have the russians and chinese coming along with us to re-impose real pressure on the iranians. you'll have this fissure between the united states and the rest of the world. >> how do you think those and the iaea tells us they're in compliance, you think they're not. put back whatever sanctions and another else will compete with us? >> fundamentally it won't work. if you don't have the other countries agreeing to adhere's to these sanctions, they will have their own domestic laws allowing this businesses to do work with the iranians and no

pressure on iran. the other side of the coin, ironian iron iiron -- iranians with the u.s. pulling out of the deal will feel they're absolved from adhering to their -- maybe begin to build up more enriched uranium. everything that the deal is designed to prevent iran from doing. >> it's important to point out they do some things that the u.s. objects to and protests, and that are, in fact, antithetical to u.s. interests. >> absolutely. >> like testing missile, but never part of the deal. they're not -- they were not disallowed under the deal from testing missiles. >> that's right. that was not part of the nuclear deal, but it's -- it's terribly significant. the iranians continue to engage in behavior that is destabilizing the region, continue to support terrorist activity. we continue to have sanctions in place addressing those activities.

the nuclear deal was designed to address iran's nuclear frahm. it wasn't designed to address everything about the iranian regime that is troublesome, and we need to continue to address those other issues but there's no reason to throw out the nuclear deal because we are dissatisfied with the iranian behavior in other areas. >> david cohen, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next on "gps," you don't hear much about guam usually. thanks to north korea, atop the news recently. now that threat seems to have subsided but another problem. rather slippery that the island has to contend with. i'll explain. i switched to t-mobile, kept my phone-everything on it- -oh, they even paid it off! wow! yeah. it's nice that every bad decision doesn't have to be permenant!

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you heard about this earlier in the show. a terrific short book about the decline of american liberalism explaining how the democrats went from the successes of fdr's coalition to the pitfalls of today's identity politics. an accessible book essential reading for anyone who wants to understand how we arrived in the trump era and where the democrats go from here. now for "the last look." this week residents of guam breathed a sigh of relief after north korea announced that kim jong-un would watch a little more the foolish and stupid conduct of the yankees before deciding to launch missiles near the island. but there is another problem pestering this paradise. although there are only 163 people on the island, as many as 2 million ground tree snakes. that's right. for every one human, there are 12 of this invasive species slivering through the trees and they cost millions by regularly

shorting the island's electrical systems. killed most of their bird species and 12 snakes for every human. the solution, drug mice. they love to eat mice and are easily killed by acetaminophen. tylenol. put that in dead mice and parachute them around the island and you dliv the last meals for many snakes. the usda has done this before and now set for another round in october given the beleaguered romanians a slightly less terrified reason to look towards the sky. the answer to my "gps" challenge question is d. only 6%, a total of 32 ceos of fortune 500 companies are female. why this might seem startlingly small, there are more female ceos in the fortune 500 lichte than ever before, meaning this tiny figure signifies progress.

women fair better in the tech world and large using jobs like prommers, developers and i.t. support, only 26% female and even with things looking up, there is a long way to go. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello. thanks joining me. jim sciutto if nor fredricka whitfield. president trump looking, hoping, to turn the page after a turbulent week of backlash over his response to the charlottesville violence. much of that criticism coming this morning from inside his own party. >> as we look to the future, it's going to be very difficult for this president to lead, if, in fact, that more the authority remains compromised. >> blaming one side or another when talking about the kkk or white supreme sifts, there is no comparison between these hate groups and everybody