to throw me off. >> reporter: in a debate, what goes on behind your back doesn't stay behind your back. jeanne moos -- >> back up, you creep. >> reporter: cnn, new york. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. i'm jim sciutto. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. what a difference a day makes. well, a day, a speechwriter, and teleprompter. president trump today speaking to veterans in reno, reading from prepared remarks on a teleprompter calling for national unity. >> it is time to heal the wounds that divide us, and to seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. >> heal the wounds, seek a new unity, common values that unite us. normally strong words that few would take issue with, except when these words are coming from president trump, many americans are wondering what do they mean? last night, the president stood

before a crowd of supporters in phoenix and revealed just how far he'll go, how much he'll bend the truth, whose memory he'll sully, who he will attack, even within his own party. sometimes he does this to cover up the fact that he made a mistake. sometimes he does it because he cheerily thinks of himself as a victim. a victim of republicans, reporters, leaking staffers, democrats, and just about everyone else. donald trump, the world's biggest victim, trapped inside the body of the world's most powerful man. perhaps he does it because this is what he's done the entire life. maybe it was entertaining in new york when he was exaggerating his wealth, calling up tabloid reporters, but now he's president oh of the united states. while many in that auditorium may have enjoyed his rifts, if you believe the latest polls, many others believe that act is wearing thin. we want to take a few minutes to go through some of the things the president claimed last night which were misstatements of fact. or let's be real, outright lice. last night, the president was

supposed to talk about his accomplishments and agenda. but it became an airing of grievances which the president went out of his way to make himself the victim in the tragedy of charlottesville. a tragedy that had many real victims, including 32-year-old heather heyer, struck and killed. last night the president mentioned her first game, but spent most of the time on charlottesville trying to repeat what he said and didn't say immediately after the fact. >> i'm really doing this to show you you damn dishonest these people are. so here is my first statement when i heard about charlottesville, and i have a home in charlottesville. a lot of people don't know. here is the first -- i can't believe they haven't figured that one out yet. now they know. now they finally know. but i just -- i don't want to

bore you with this, but it shows you how dishonest they are. and most of you know this any way. here's what i said, really fast. here's what i said on saturday. we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. this is me speaking. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. that's me speaking on saturday. [ applause ] right after the event. >> so let's just focus on that for a moment, because the president is right there, attempting -- right there he's attempting to rewrite history, attempting to recraft what he said. yeah, he did speak those words on saturday after the tragedy, that's true. but he left out the end of that last sentence, and the next sentence. this is the sentence the president actually spoke on saturday, the day heather heyer was killed. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and

violence on many sides. on many sides. >> on many sides. that is the controversial part that's the part by the way he ad libbed on saturday. that's the way question he equated neo-nazis and klansmen with the people who turned out to protest them. the president lied by omission. also last night, he made no mention on tuesday, after the tragedy, he praised, and i quote, very fine people on both sides. he didn't mention that last night. he said there were people quietly protesting the idea of removing a statue of robert e. lee in a torch it will mar-- to lit march night friday night. but it was a march by neo-nazis and white nationalists, chanting nazi slogans and anti-jewish slogans, and it's on tape. >> jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us!

jews will not replace us! >> do you think those were muslims chanting that? we spoke to the vice correspondent who was with those marchers about the people she saw friday night. when the president says there were good people at this march, that they were there to protest the removal of the robert e. lee statue, that not all of them were white supremacists, is that true? >> no. everyone who was there knew what they were doing. they were shouting "jews will not replace us." it was well coordinated. they had an order to the chants. this was no mistaking, there is no innocent person wandering up and accidently getting involved in this. >> last night, the president did not mention his belief that some of those men were very fine people. another lie by omission. last night the president did

lash out at the press coverage and no surprise he wasn't honest about that either. listen. >> then i said, racism is evil. did they report that i said that racism is evil? you know why? because they are very dishonest people. so i said, racism is evil. now, they only choose like half a sentence here or there and then they go on this long rampage or put on these lightweights around the table that nobody heard of and all say what a bad guy i am. >> he's talking about his prepared statement on monday of last week. again, he's not being honest. let's look at how we and just about every other news outlet covered it live. >> racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are

repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> again, the president claimed it didn't get covered and the crowd appeared to believe him. the president lied about the coverage last night. >> look back there. the live red lights, they're turning those suckers off fast. [ laughter ] they're turning those lights off fast. [ crowd booing ] like cnn. cnn does not want its falling viewership to watch what i'm saying tonight. oh, boy, those cameras are going off. oh, wow. why don't you just fold them up and take them home? oh, those cameras are going off. wow. that's the one thing, they're

very nervous to have me on live television, because this can't happen. >> is he talking about his staffers there? you know what that is? that is the sound of the president lying again. in fact, we and others kept the cameras going for each and every one of those 77 minutes that he spoke, including every last attack of the people broadcasting it. [ crowd chanting "cnn sucks" ] >> and yet the president watches us. he lied too about his own record or exaggerated his accomplishments about things both big and small. >> we've also obtained historic increase in defense spending to prevent and deter conflict we believe in peace through strength. we're building up our military like never before. >> like never before? the president has asked for a $54 billion boost in military spending for the next fiscal year. it's big, but it's smaller than

ten other defense budgets. congress has yet to either raise spending caps or appropriate the money. asking is one thing, getting it is another. he also turned down a chance to take any responsibility for the gop health care bill not passing in the senate. without naming names, he repeatedly referenced the senator whose vote sealed its fate, john mccain, who happens to be undergoing radiation for brain cancer. and the president also slammed arizona's junior republican senator jeff flake. >> one vote away. one. one vote away. we were one vote away. think of it. seven years the republicans, and again, you have some great senators. but we were one vote away from repealing.

but you know, they also said, mr. president, your speech was so good last night, please, please, mr. president, don't mention any names. so i won't. i won't. no, i won't vote. one vote away, i will not mention any names. very presidential, isn't it? and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who is

weak onboa borders, weak on cri. >> just a few hours later, the president tweeted about him. he was asked not to announce the pardon of sheriff joe arpaio. sarah huckabee sanders, the president's spokesperson, said there would be no person announced in phoenix. the president was warned that given the controversy surrounding arpaio, announcing a pardon would be like lighting a match on a powder keg. >> i'm just curious, do the people in this roomlike sheriff joe? [ cheers and applause ] so was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job?

you know what? i'll make a prediction. i think he's going to be just fine, okay? [ cheers and applause ] but, but i won't do it tonight, because i don't want to cause any controversy. is that okay? but sheriff joe can feel good. >> today, the pardon paperwork is ready to go whenever the president wants. the president said this last night, which ringing hollow tonight and in light of what we saw during the campaign. >> you always understood what

washington, d.c. did not. our movement is a movement built on love, its love for fellow citizens. >> movement built on love. you can just roll that one around in the old brain pan in a moment. serious people of all political stripes, some have begun to worry out loud about the president's fitness for office. listen to retired james clapper. this is what he said after the president's speech when asked if president trump is a threat to national security. >> well, he certainly could be. again, having some understanding of the levers that a president can exercise, i worry about frankly, you know, the access to the nuclear codes. in a fit of peak, and he decides to do something about kim jong-un, there is actually very

little to stop him. the whole system is built to ensure a rapid response, if necessary. so there's very little in the way of controls over, you know, exercising a nuclear option, which is pretty damn scary. >> this is what republican senator bob corker said in the wake of the president's comments in charlottesville. >> the president has not yet -- has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. i think our president needs to take stock of the role that he plays in our nation, and move beyond himself, move way beyond himself. and move to a place where daily he's waking up thinking about

what is best for our nation. >> moving beyond himself. supporters say his base doesn't care if the president lies or not. so be it. but even those who don't care if he lies have to at some point wonder what drives it? what is it that makes someone so untethered by facts and the truth, not just in random tweets pounded out in the early morning hours, but in settings like last night, lying directly to those who support him most? it might be fruitless to get inside the man's head, better to look at what he does. what it's insisting that his inauguration crowds were the biggest, or whether he won a historical electoral vote, which he didn't, with president trump, there's always one constant, himself. it is always about himself. about his crowds. about his victory.

his strength. his wealth. his intelligence. his speech. his reviews. his coverage. his innocence. him. last night, first and foremost wasn't about the people in that auditorium as the president claimed it was, maybe that was the biggest lie at all. last night, what we saw, was all about him. if the president really wanted to make last night about one person, he could have made it about john mccain, a man he disagrees with, but a man who has dedicated to serving and sacrificing for this country. how differently might we see the president, even people who disagree with him, had the president taken a moment last night, just a moment, to honor a brave senator from that state fighting perhaps the most difficult battle of his life? how different might it have been had he made the night about heather heyer. someone who stood up for her beliefs and others and struck down doing it? what might we be saying if the most powerful man on earth had taken a moment to honor her, as he's done for the tragic victims

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>> >> hills white house correspondent has had the funniest reaction to president trump last night, tweeting, trump is celebrating festivus early this year." james clapper had a somewhat darker take. >> i really question his ability to -- his fitness to be in this office. i worry about frankly, you know, the access to nuclear codes. in a fit of peak, he decides to do something about kim jong-un,

there's actually very little to stop him. the whole system's built to ensure a rapid response, if necessary. so there's very little in the way of controls over, you know, exercising a nuclear option, which is pretty damn scary. >> let's get perspective now from david axelrod, david chalian, and michael dantonio. david axelrod, it's extraordinary to hear from director clapper openly questioning president trump's fitness to serve after last night. he's served both democrats and republicans and was the head of the dia. >> yeah. look, that was a stunning analysis by director clapper, who i have known, i've watched him in government, and he's got a stellar record, not a

partisan, calling into question the president's fitness for office, particularly invoking the nuclear codes, which has been a concern of some for a long time. and i suspect that he was echoing private concerns that he's heard among national security and intelligence people. the only reservation i have about this, anderson, one of my concerns about the president is he's been so reckless about delivering these hammer blows to our democracy, to the legitimacy of the courts, the congress as a co-equal branch of government, to the news media, i think we have to be very careful when we leave these heavy inferences out there that suggest somehow something should be done. there may be a time and place for a process that involves the president's tenure, but it ought to be proceeded with great care. >> david chalian, it's pretty easy for people who do not like

the president to get ahead of themselves and feel like things are in motion when that's not really the case, and support among republicans in the latest poll is at 77%. >> which is not great by the way. that is a little bit lower than it has been. but this is why, anderson, i think there's such an extraordinary burden on paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, as the republican leaders in congress. tay need to take on the leadership role of really trying to get this trump presidency back on course. this is why i think it's such an explosive story that we've been talking about the last 24 hours of the mcconnell-trump relationship disintegrating and both sides are trying to repair it publicly right now as best they can. but paul ryan and mitch mcconnell have an extraordinary burden right now, because donald trump is not filling the leadership role that the president normally fills, and

they need, as the folks that are of his party and holding majorities in congress, they need to get him back on course. >> michael, you profiled donald trump, wrote a book when he was a citizen. does he have -- does he operate with strategy? is there a lot of strategy, my sense is most of it is gut instinct or just sheer emotion. he's like a live wire of emotion who can't stop himself from reacting. >> i think you're right. he's acting impulsively often. he's restrained at various times when he feels besieged. so he's more measured. that reflects donald trump under pressure. one thing we have to really give ourselves is the permission to observe what he's doing and not decide well, we have to get inside his head and diagnose him. that's not necessary. we can just look at how he's

behaving, decide for ourselves as citizens and people concerned about policy and politics what's going on. and i think director clapper's rightly distressed by what he's observing, but i don't think we're at the place to say well, this person is unfit, mentally unstable or even suffering from dement dementia. >> david chelian, how do you see how republicans in washington, in the senate and house, are dealing with him? obviously, there have been questions of fitness coming from republicans, most noticeably from senator corker. obviously he's a republican. and yet you have a lot of republicans who even in the cake -- the wake of charlottesville are not calling the president out by name. >> you have to remember going back to election day, a quarter of president trump's voters didn't think he was fit for office. so i'm not sure bob corker is going to have some major sway with that rock solid core of

trump support. i i do think it's instructive to look at -- i think there's a difference between the way paul ryan and mitch mcconnell have been proceeding here. paul ryan is much more dependant for his own survival in his job on the house freedom caucus, folks who go back home, and their voters in their districts are all rock solid in their support for donald trump. that's a little different political calculus in the senate. we have seen it play out when three members of his own party bucked him on health care in -- last month. so i think you see mitch mcconnell have a different set of political calculations to make. he's not just catering to the base of the party, he's got these republican elected officials who need more than just the base. >> it is interesting to see the president make the kind of remarks he did, kind of ranting last night for so long, and then to see him on prompter reading somebody else's remarks today.

it makes the remarks today seem hollow, given that it certainly seemed like last night that is the real donald trump. >> well, precisely. you were right when you noted earlier that there seems to be this kind of raw nerve of approach, where he's delivering to those audiences at the so-called rallies exactly what they came for. they want to be excited and energized. it's a performance that they know fairly well. many of them travel the country to attend these rallies. and for the president, i think this is energizing, as well. his ego requires it. >> thank you all. just ahead, more breaking news. newly uncovered e-mail about a previously unreported meeting to arrange a meeting between trump officials and vladamir putin. that's next.

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there's breaking news tonight, a cnn exclusive. an e-mail from a top aide to president trump is under scrutiny by congressional investigators. the e-mail detailed an effort to arrange a meeting last summer

between campaign officials and vladamir putin. so what have you learned tonight? >> reporter: that's right. congressional investigators have unearthed this e-mail from that top trump aide that referenced this previously unreported effort to arrange this meeting between trump officials and putin. now, the aide is rick deerborn, now president trump's deputy chief of staff. he sent a brief e-mail to campaign officials last year, relaying information about an individual who was seeking to connect top trump campaign officials with putin. the person was only identified in the e-mail as being from "wv" a reference we're told to west virginia. we're not sure who this person was, who they were seeking, or whether or not rick deerborn acted on this request. that same source told me that he appeared skeptical of the arrested meeting. but that meeting -- this e-mail

in june of 2016, around the same time of that donald trump, jr. meeting in trump tower with jared kushner and paul manafort and campaign operatives. many details about this e-mail are unclear, but the existence alone suggests that russians may have been looking for another entry point into the trump campaign to see if there were any partners willing to discredit hillary clinton. the white house declined to comment. >> dearborn was a long-time aide to jeff sessions. what did he do for the trump campaign? >> reporter: he served on the transition team. whatth question is, what role did he play with the arrangement of the meeting with the russian ambassador and sessions and a campaign event at the mayflower event that jeff sessions and the

russian ambassador attended. the question is whether he had any role of setting those up. >> this is not the first e-mail. we learned about how does it fit together? as you said, it's around the same time. >> that's right. intelligence experts say the request made by this unidentified west virginia fits a pattern of russians trying to gather human intelligence. as we know, the donald trump, jr. meeting occurred around that time frame, as well as an effort by trump campaign adviser named george popopsdopulos. but that effort didn't go anywhere. he's not responded to our requests for a comment. however, it's still unclear about this dearborn e-mail.

>> joining me now is my panel. alana, you have some new reporting regarding president trump reaching out to republican senators over russia related issues. what have you learned? >> we're talking about senator bob corker and senator tom tillis. this was on two separate matters. first, corker, trump wanted to talk about the russia sanctions bill. this is the bill the president dragged his heels on signing, and senator till us got a call about the bill he's sponsoring to prevent the president from firing robert mueller. >> one of the senators, tillis, has a bill to protect special counsel mueller. did that come up in a conversation? >> it did. a source told us that the conversation became tense concerning the mueller bill. trump expressed unhappiness with the bill and said he didn't want

it to pass. tillis' office said the conversation touched on many things and the conversation was cordial. it is possible that trump cordially informed his opinion on the fueler bi mueller bill. >> steve, when you hear about manu's reporting, about this potential other avenue to try to have a meeting or gain information, what do you make of sort of this drip drip? >> anderson, it is very, very consistent is what i've seen from russian operations over the years. if you're running an operation where you're trying to penetrate, trying to get into candidate trump's team, what you're going to do is cast a wide net and you're going to reel it in and see what you get, whether it's a paul manafort, whether it's a anyone or dearborn. you're going to evaluate each of these individuals, are they pro russia, are they interested in

bending the rules and making money on the side? is it possible that they could cooperate and not understand what they're doing? all of those things are in the spectrum of what the russians could be interested in. so the fact that we have another person who is apparently either interested if having contacts or trying to arrange contacts with russia is concerning from a counterintelligence perspective, and another data point as you continue to assess data as to what are the connections between trump's team and russia. >> for you, what would be the important gaps that need to be filled? >> well, if you're talking about gaps that the russians would be interested in trying to get to, to find out, it runs sort of the spectrum. you're looking for people inside whatever organization you're trying to penetrate. in this case, possibly trump's campaign. people who are willing to talk a little off the record about what's going on, all the way up to somebody who is hg to willine

an agent of influence, somebody that could bend the president's ear, all being under the control of the russian government. so it's a variety of things they're hooking for. but the fact that we continue to see and hear more e-mails is concerning. it depends on whether or not it rises to a legal issue or not. that's something that mueller and his team and others are looking for. but from a counterintelligence analysis, it's concerning. >> kirsten, it's so interesting that at this stage, given the length of time that's passed by, trump supporters will say there's still no there there. there may be smoke but no evidence of fire or collusion. and yet new pieces of information are still coming out based on reporters doing hard work and mueller has access to a lot more information. >> yeah. i think the bare minimum, what this new information tells us is what it looks like the russians were up to. just more evidence that they were clearly trying to figure out a way into the trump

campaign and it fits with all the other reporting that's been done. but what we're not sure about is what it tells us about the trump campaign. but what is strange is that they entertained it. presidential campaigns are about getting someone elected, it has nothing to do with meeting with putin if you're running for president. unless you were so far ahead that you thought you were going to win and planning for your government. but trump was never at that point. so the question is, why all the meetings with the russians that happened? they don't make any sense. why even entertain this or pass this information on? the person who passed the information on worked for jeff sessions. he was also involved with setting up other meetings. and they're suspicious, because jeff sessions didn't normally meet with foreign ambassadors and there's been reporting done on this, that there was this uptick. so a lot of things raise questions about what was happening here. >> alana, the conversation with

corker that the president had, do we know much about the nature of that? because obviously corker is the one who, after charlottesville, made some really startling comments about -- i don't want to paraphrase it incorrectly, but raising questions about the president's stability or his ability to think beyond himself. >> certainly. and previous to this point, it's important to remember bob corker was considered for secretary of state. he was a close ally of the president's. but to answer your question, what we do know about the call, the president was frustrated about a particular portion of the bill that allows congress to block him from easing sanctions. it was this that he was frustrated about. >> appreciate it. two protesters with confederate flags are demonstrating in charlottesville, virginia. that's when we come back.

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i want to show you a scene right now in charlottesville, virginia. two men are demonstrating in front of the covered statue of

robert e. lee. city officials put up the black shroud today. another shroud as well as around the stone wall jackson statue. this comes a little over a week after the protests in charlottesville that ended with one dead, dozens wounded. protesters took over monday night charlottesville city council meeting, blaming council for allowing the alt-right rally to happen. really the conversation in charlottesville and around the country is how to tell the story of history in america and how to handle the painful enter twining of both. these are also playing out in another debate, this time in the nfl. hundreds flooded the streets outside the nfl headquarters in new york city in solidarity with colin kaepernick, famous for kneeling during the national anthem. now no team will sign him, leading some to ask if he's being black balled. >> white balled.

>> white balled says spike lee. but it is amazing. it's been one year, exactly one year since people noticed what kaepernick was doing. >> the first couple of preseason games people didn't see it. >> i want to play something that president trump said about this back in march. >> and you know, your san francisco quarterback, i'm sure nobody ever heard of him. [ crowd booing ] there was an article today that was reported that nfl owners don't want to pick him up because they don't want to get a nasty tweet from donald trump. can you believe that? >> so kaepernick is out of a job. >> right. >> what do you think is behind it? >> well, there are eight owners with direct ties to trump. woody johnson -- he owns the jets, he donated millions to

trump. robert craft, he donated a million. dan schneider, the washington football team donated a million to trump's inauguration. the owner of jacksonville jaguars donated a million. stan croaky of the l.a. rams donated a rams. jerry jones, dallas cowboys, donated a million. >> so you think this is fear of the president or fear of fan reaction, of losing money? >> all these guys are friends. they're in cahoots. a lot of these guys are the leaders. i mean, jerry jones, craft, they are the leaders as far as the nfl goes. i just find it -- there are 32 teams in the league. and he could start for half of

the teams. >> quarterbacks are in high demand of coursely. >> yes. and he can be a second or third strange quarterback. the miami dolphins got a guy that retired. they gave him a $10 million contract. jay cutler, no disrespect to him, but come on, he's not better than kaepernick. in my opinion. >> so to you, is this owners getting together and saying look, this guy is a trouble makeer? >> i think so. i mean, go in the dictionary, and the word might be collusion. i like to say this, what you're seeing now, we have to study history. this is not the first time this has happened to african-american athletes that have stood up. jeff johnson, he was knocking out everybody else. didn't like him running around with the white women, boom, out.

six-day olympics, mexico, john carlos, tommy smith, black raised fist. muhammad ali refuses to be inducted. all these are examples where men have stood up, believed in their beliefs, and have been crushed. the biggest thing that oh, we love him. mu happened ali at one time was the most hated man in america. changed the whole narrative. >> i'm reading a bio of him right now and it's incredible. >> they leave that out like it never happened. when he refused to be inducted, no -- and i'm not going to say a word. >> new york times refused to call him mow happened ali. >> now i put kaepernick with these guys. and i believe this. jack johnson already, carlos

smith, mu happened ali and history will decide they were on the right side. >> talking about history, we see this argument over monuments and what to do with these monuments, many of which -- i thought these monuments were built immediately after the civil war. they weren't. a lot of them were built to intimidate way after the civil rights movement. to those who say it's rewriting history, if you're taking it down, it's important to know america's painful history and it's not when -- some people may honor it, but to at least know about it. and a lot of places it's not taught. >>ist not taught, but here is the thing, though, anderson, and this is something that -- what gets me mad is when people use this term the founding father's. the founding father's owned slaves. george washington owned slaves. thomas jefferson owned laifs and we don't know how would sally hender son was either. so, okay, the founding father's

cannot just negate the fact that they loaned slaifls. and they wrote this great document, but slaifls were three fifths of a human being. not a whole person. so let's teach the history. >> do you think -- >> i mean -- >> do you think the statues should be taken down? >> to answer your question, how many statues of hitler -- >> no, they're not allowed in germany. >> i mean up. >> no. >> and what people, i think, have -- african americans have a reaction to the confederate battle flag, the stars and bars, the same way my jewish brothers and sisters view the swas tisk ka. it is the same exact thing. especially after charlottesville, "the new york times" printed this thing about robert e. lee, oh, we found this letter and now he wasn't for slavery. come on, now. he led the confederacy. >> the difference, obviously between a george washington and

a thomas jefferson is -- and robert e. lee, robert e. lee was fighting to destroy this country, was fighting to -- >> yeah. but if you read "the new york times" they found some letter they found way back he was trying to -- >> i'm wondering when you heard the president of the united states in his many comments in the wake of charlottesville, you know, he said one thing on saturday about many sides, violence on many sides. then monday he gave a teleprompter speech, you know, talking against kkk and knees nazis, white supremacists. and then the next day on this kind of rambling, i am promise tu off-the-cuff said, again, at the torch lit vij ill of hundreds of knee nieces chanting jews will not replace us and other awful things, he said there were fine people there. >> in my opinion, i think that when he's not reading a teleprompter, he reveals his true self. >> that's who he really is. >> i think so.

he's here. i remember taking a full page ad in "the new york times" offering a $1 million reward for the lady who got raped in central park. and he never apologized. >> central park five. >> yes. they were found innocent. >> right. yeah. and right he put out a huge ad calling for their death penalty. >> full page atd in "the new york times." another thing, i love sen ma and one of my favorite films is on the waterfront. directed by ka zblon, shil berg and there's a direct correlation between the hero, karen ma horn played by marlon bran dough and kaepernick in this film. bran dough makes a decision, he says i need my rights and he goes down to the dock. i want to work.

the hiring boss gives out these tabs and if you get a tab you go work. and johnny friendly the mob boss says you're never going to work any dock, you're never going to work again. he stands in line. the hiring boss gives everybody a tab. >> except for brandon. >> except for marlon brandon. they go to some drunk, poor drunk out of the mob. >> give him one. >> and then bran dough is left there standing there. that is kaepernick. >> because he spoke out. that's kaepernick, you're saying. >> yes. and in the last scene everybody goes -- not the last scene. they go past -- the dock workers go past bron dough and they stand there. and then after he gets beat up they said they're not working until -- so my question is are nfl players, what are they going to do? >> we saw some players just talking about sports, was it

from cleveland who -- yeah, from cleveland. >> right. >> in a circle, kneeling in a circle. >> you hope more players stand with kaepernick. >> i hope so. the league is 70% african-american. now, we can't get into this thinking like all african americans are mono litic, we all think alike. and kaepernick has told me he's told younger players, look, don't risk your livelihood, especially the guys that are going can be cut in a second. i've got this. i don't want you to be cut, broke ass out. so he understands that. but again, i think that kaepernick is going to be in the right side of history. the same as mow happened ali was. >> thank you. >> up next the president goes for a scripted message in nevada today that's after his rambling speech in phoenix last night. we'll show you when we continue.

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