way out or you get in a dangerous situation. >> all right. a former cnn correspondent. a former cnn correspondent. thank you for your input here. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i'm cyril vanier. >> thank you for joining us for another our of our analysis of this story. i'm natalie allen. >> japan partially confirms that claim and says an earthquake detected earlier was a nuclear test. china, south korea and the u.s. have not gone tremor. the blast nuclear test only triggered a 5.3. reports come less than one day

after pyongyang said it had a flu hydrogen bomb reporting to show the leader inspecting the device. state media claimed it can be loaded onto an intercontinental ballistic missile. we're tracking this story from across the region. cnn's ian lee is in seoul. correspondent andrew stevens is in china. let's begin with you as we begin another hour to tell us what the reaction has been in seoul, south korea. >> that's right. earlier they had an urgent meeting to discuss this nuclear test. they just convened and released

a statement. i'll read some of these points to you. the first one is they're going to push to furtherer isolate north korea diplomatically and economically. they say they're going to try to do that through the u.n. security council also saying they're going to show off their military's capabilities of neutralizing north korea's nuclear infrastructure. they're also asking for the united states. they're going to seek deployment of the strongest u.s. tactical military tactics to the region. they also say that they're going to reaffirm that north korea, they're not going to allow north korea to have a nuclear -- enhanced nuclear program. but as we've seen today, that seems to be very difficult with just the words and show of force and sanctions. they just can't seem to be able to apply that pressure when you have the two really big announcements today, the first

one being that north korea saying they can miniaturize a nuclear weapon, a hydrogen bomb, and put it on a intercontinental ballistic missile designed to go on top of an icbm. it's one thing to develop it and another to deliver. we know that north korea has the missiles capable of attacks the region in the united states. this is another dangerous step. that's why you're getting south korea coming out with these strong statements. we know they've been in close contact with the united states and as well, we're hearing a phone call between president moon and president trump is going to be scheduled for later today. >> yes. that is some strong language as you say coming from seoul there.

it seems as though, ian, the time is up because all of this talk coming from the region there and the united states, they would not tolerate north korea with a nuclear program. they've gotten there and they've gotten there more quickly than anyone really imagine, is that correct? >> that's right. when it combs to the miniaturization of a weapon and put it on an icbm, experts thought it would be months if not years from doing that. but as you see today, if you take north korea's words for it, they're going to be scrutinizing the pictures and developments today. but if you take their word for it, they have that cape b89 now. there were some interesting words in that statement. first off they're saying this nuclear program is home grown. they don't need any components from outside the country. they can do it all themselves.

they also say they can make as many nuclear weapons they like. imagine an assembly line of nuclear weapons. that's what they're saying they have the capability of doing so, which is very worrying for the south koreans, the japanese, and the americans in in region for the north koreans to say they have the capability. >> thank you, ian. >> let's return to will. they were unprecedented in just how tightly they clamped down on their economy and their sources of revenue. and since then what we've seen is north korea firing a missile over japan and north korea conducting its sixth nuclear tests. i know it takes some time for the sanctions to have some bite, have some effect, but clearly

what we're seeing is they're undeterred and that their military program, they continue to push ahead. >> right. those u.n. security council sanctions, the seven unanimously passed including yes votes from china and russia after the two intercontinental ballistic missile launches in july. we know that sanctions do take a long time. we also know that china has suspended coal imports earlier this year. yet despite the halt of buying coal and then this seventh round of sanctions not only restricting coal purchases but iron, seafood, other major sources of cash for the north korean regime, also trying to limit their access to financial institutions, their access extremely limited but they found ways to work under it with fake dpaeps and other schemes despite

the sanctions, increasingly resourceful as we've seen the sanctions increase. so to hear the united states and south korea and japan talking again about speeding up the enforce management of the sanctions and possibly enforcing more sanctions, the response i got last week and i was in the country yesterday, i arrived last night, they say sanctions are going to be ineffective since they have been since their first nuclear test back in 2006. since then, they've conducted six nuclear tests. this latest test, by far their most powerful to date. there was a press release put out by seismologists in norway. they talked about how the nuclear bomb that was dropped on hiroshima? japan was estimated to be about 15 tons of kilotons of tnt.

north korea hasn't put it an estimate of the yield yet. they believe it was 120 kilotons of tnt, significantly more powerful. and it took 11 minutes for the earthquake to reach their monitoring station in norway. it was so large it was felt by dozens of monitoring stations around the world, just to give you an indication of how far north korea has come, it's far more dramatic than any they've pulled off, and then reports of a second explosion. this is near the chinese border in north korea, a secondary seismic event as a result of this, 4.6 magnitude after the first event that was 6.3 n magnitude. some are speculating it was a collapse of the first nuclear test if it gives you an indication that the rock underground could have collapsed

with how big it was even though north korea insists know nuclear radiation has been released into the environment. deeply unsettling and terrifying for a lot of people who live in this region. >> will ripley in tokyo. thanks. >> let's go to our chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. you say there are those who have not lived under the threat of nuclear war like when there was the cold war between u.s. and russia and mutually assured destruction. here we are. you say you can't tolerate a nuclear north korea, but we are here. talk about the significance of this? >> well, look. it is very, very significant. over the last 10 years, 12, 15

years, you've heard comments by people. you've heard from people, let's drop a nuke here, let's nuke here, nuke that. the catastrophic consequences of that kind of action in a large part of the global population, obviously not in that region has sort of dissipated after the comment of the soviet eun union and the attempt of decreased nuclear weapons and getting away from that threat. now we have north korea charging into that space and presenting the world with a potentially catastrophic picture that hasn't been seen or thought about really since, you know, the '50s, '60s, '70s, and '80s. so what does this all mean? everybody has hoped, has said, has analyzed over the last decade or so there's no way north korea could do this, that

they couldn't do it. even if they did, what would they use it for, et cetera, et cetera. now it's conducted its sixth nuclear test and they believe this one to be another hydrogen bomb test and a much bigger explosion. plus the added really terrible situation whereby we stink acco -- think north korea has a picture. that is a first and incredibly dangerous and brings the whole thing to a new level. so, of course, i've been talking to diplomats engaging with north korea and engaging over the time as much as they possibly can. the former u.s. secretary of defense william perry has visited and talked to north korea for many, many decades. under the clinton administration, there was a moment they moved back. i was there when they sort of

shuttered their pyongyang bluetomy yum plant. what we have now is a situation where north korean officials are telling anyone who will listen to them they will not denuclearizelet their goals are, one, survival of the kim jong-un din city, two, power, three, grow our economy. that's what they've been doing with kim jong-un. for the rest of the world that's what they've been doing. what people don't want and what people fear is if they're not assured of these issues, there could be a catastrophic blunder. people do not agree who engage with north korea that there could be a suicidal regime, but there could be a misstep, mishap that could lead to awful and dreadful military consequences. i talked to another former cia

analyst and again they reiterated, why would we give up our nuclear card. we can't to -- we want to survive. as you know between the united states and north korea, there's orm an armistice. there's no good diplomacy. so this is a moment where they circulate to come up with a coordinated strategy to deal with north korea and it's going to have to be negotiation, no matter how unpalatable it is with some carrots and some sticks. it can't all be sticks because they've shown they have a stick of their own now. >> absolutely. they certainly do and they certainly haven't in any way

ever backed down despite threats and sanctions and any efforts at diplomacy. thank you. let's go to andrew stevens. you say you're hear about to hair from xi jinping in this major conference. the question is will he use this moment to address what has just happened in north korea? >> reporter: he didn't say anything about the nuclear test or, indeed, the pictures about the nuclear thermal device being attached according to them. he has obviously and clearly not mentioned that. he wants to keep this conference all about britain and others.

he's not going to be hijacked. having said there, there has been a response. let me quote this. it remains firmly opposed and strongly condemns this test. it calls on north korea to stop taking the wrong actions and says that it is committed to a denuclearization of the korean peninsula. this is the sort of language, natalie, that we have been hearing in the past from china. it doesn't signal in and of itself any change in china's strategy. we saw it after the launch of the north korean missile test the other day. the plan there was to call on the u.s. and south korea to stop provoking north korea and for everybody to talk to each other, to go to the negotiating table.

it also reiterated that it doesn't want to see a nuclear korean peninsula. the chinese position unless it changes rhetorically spelled this out several weeks ago with the full backing of putin. this is just after xi jinping and president putin met at the kremlin in early july. they say it has to be a dialogue. you have to have north korea freezing its ballistic missile, the u.s. freezing its military operations, its military drills with south korea which so innocences north korea, stop both of them, and then return to the negotiating table. china clearly continues to see this as an issue that can only be solved by dialogue and u.s. is instrumental in the dialogue. china says it's in the u.s.'s court to begin the dialogue and to reach some sort of agreement

on the denuclearization. nothing we've seen so far suggests moving away from that position, natalie. >> we thank you, andrew stevens for you there in china as they begin a major conference. he was saying earlier the timing wasn't good. north korea doing this at a time -- >> it's a slap in the face for china, no doubt about that. let's go to jean lee. jean, i want to pick up where we left our previous conversation. you're one of those analysts who believes that even though north korea has been steadfast, it can be brought to the table. how do they do that? >> the leader of north korea made it clearly had things he

wanted to accomplish. let's check that window. you got what you needed, what you wanted to protect your country and also to boost your position at home to show you can defend your country. now are you ready to talk? kim jong-un has stated he does want to sit down and negotiate some sort of peace treaty with the united states. that is the ultimate objective. so we need to keep in mind that is the long goal here, that is the long termt goal. it was something his grandfather died without accomplishing it. he father died without plishing it. he wants to plish that during his reign. we want to see some condemnations from various bodies including the u.n. security council. we're likely to see more sanctions but that's also part of the tactic of coming to the

global table. the u.s. needs something to negotiate with, just like north korea needs something to negotiate with, so i think we'll see that. but there needs to be at some point a cooling off period. a period of quiet, a face-saving period where everybody retreats to a certain point where they can go back to some discussion of dialogue. so hopefully -- i would like to see that happen blaus certainly as somebody who's living here in south korea, this level of tension is not tenable and certainly the advancements that north korea has made has made it so dangerous. we have missiles flying overhead, over civilian population, nuclear tests with this massive payload, not to mention not only the threat of an attack, but also the nuclear safety threat very close to where i'm sitting now. we can't continue to see this going forward. >> jean, we'll be interested in

seeing what the new young leader -- what we night hear from him as the united states and other countries are willing to engage at this point. we thank you for your comments. >> and where jean was talking from, on the front line. if there's any confrontation involving north korea. the announcement of the positive testing of the power bomb. here's president trump just a few weeks ago. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal state, and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury, and, frankly, power, the likes of which this world

has never seen before. >> mr. trump was sharply criticized for that fiery rhetoric, but he was not backing down. listen to what he said two weeks later. >> and you see what's going on in north korea. all of a sudden, i don't know, who knows, but i can tell you. what i said, that's not strong enough. some said it was too strong. it's not strong enough. but kim jong-un, i respect the fact that i believe he is starting to respect us. >> until now, pyongyang's recent provocations have been missile tests including one launched over japan tuesday. >> two days later mr. trump warned the u.s. has been talking to north korea and paying them extortion money for 25 year. talking is not the answer. >> let's bring in boris sanchez.

he joins us live from washington. boris, there has to be a day of reckoning. there has to be. president trump has levelled threats to north korea. he said if they don't, they're going to experience fury, the likes of which they've never seen before. now there's this huge provocation. there's going to be a day of reckoning and now north korea is going to have to respond to this. >> absolutely. all eyes on president trump this morning awaiting a response from the white house. we have yet to get a response. we did hear a few moments ago from officials in south korea, the chief national security adviser there, chung yung saying he's looking to isolate it and he had a meeting with h.r.

mcmaster, so they're clearly aware of this test. the president was actually tweeting a few short moments before this test took place, however, he was not tweeting about north korea, he has not tweeted since. you said it. this is by far the strongest provocation that we've seen from north korea, and each of the prior ones seem to follow some aggressive rhetoric from the president. we have heard him use language before that has been contradicted by some even in his own cabinet and prefer a much more diplomatic approach. but, again, we're waiting to see how the president responds to this, by far the strongest nuclear test by north korea and the fact that they've now miniaturized a nuclear weapon making it small enough to fit on an icbm. >> boris sanchez joining us live. thank you. >> we want to talk more now with

a professor. professor, thanks so much for joining us. we've been talking for the past several hours about where this places the world and this response now that north korea has achieved what the united states and other countries have said they won't tolerate, a nuclear armed north korea. >> well, look. this is a problem we've been trying to deal with for 20 year. at least with the administration of hillary clinton, we've tried to stone the nuclear development with north korea. they've tested before. they tested now today. we think now they might have been able to test successionfully the hydrogen device, a much more powerful device than they've been able to test before. we know they've been develop in intercontinental ballistic missile technology. the question is can they put a

nuclear weapon on it. so far there's been a failure. we have to have some new creative thinking. >> do you expect that from this administration because we've had the cabinet going this way and the president going the other way talking about the fire and fury. >> right. the plan has been to isolate north korea and to try and convince the north korean dictator that his behavior is leading to more isolation. i think that's obviously part of the equation, but kwla we need to do is we need to show the north korean leader a way forward, out of this situation. we don't have much more to offer by way of sanctions. we could, of course, choose a nuclear strike, but i think the former adviser to the president, stephen bannon had it right when he said, until you explain how

you protect seoul, korea, south korea, from a massive retaliation, that threat, american military threat is not particularly credible. so i think what we need to do, we need to think about what types of incentives we can give the north korean leader to get out of the strategy he's pursuing. one of the things he's interested in is enter national recognition. the president said if the conditions were correct, he would be willing to meet with the north korean leader. i think we need to think of ways of moving this discussion and negotiations to the point where the president could offer the north korean leader the kind of recognition he seems to crave. >> our international correspondent cristian hristian amanpour said what do we do now? the time's up? >> it's a a second option.

but, of course, the more realistic options are unpalatable as well. do we want to have a nuclear exchange with north korea? i don't think so. do we want to have a convention with tens of thousands of south core r koreans die, i don't think so. >> james davis, we appreciate your analysis for us. thanks for joining us. >> all right, everyone. stay with us on cnn. coming up after the breaking more on the latest hydrogen bomb test. we'll be live from arab to london just ahead.

welcome back to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. i'm natalie allen. >> and i'm cyril vanier. the country has said it has just successfully tested a hydrogen bomb. the u.s. and south korea haven't gone that far but they detect seismic activity. >> the report comes one day after north korea said it had a new hydrogen bomb. these photos show kim jong-un inspecting the bomb. it can be loaded onto an intercontinental ballistic missile. that means it can reach the united states. we're tracking it across the street. we have ian and will.

christiane amanpour is in london for us. ian, we'll begin with you. you heard some strong statements after the news from the leadership there in seoul. >> that's right, natalie. south korea convened an emergency session of the council to discuss the latest developments. they released a statement just a short time ago. let me bullet point some of the things that came out in that statement. first they said they're going to try to push for further isolation of north korea both diplomatically and economically going through the u.n. security council. they said they're also going to show off south korea's capabilities and how they would denuclearize north korea's structure. they said they're going to seek the strongest u.s. strategic military assets as possible.

they said they won't comment but they said they remain committed to the denuclearization of north korea. they said they're going to work for stronger cooperation between the united states and south korea and they're going to have a phone conference later today with president donald trump to discuss these investments but they reaffirm they will not allow north korea have to an enhanced nuclear program. behalf after today's developments, it seems like that's going to be very difficult to do, natalie. >> ian lee in seoul. thanks, ian. >> let's check in with will whipwhip ripley from tokyo. clearly they're undeterred. >> this is one of the mifrt heavily sanctioned countries on the planet, cyril.

it's flawed. certainly from their view. they say they've survived severe conditions. you think back when hundreds of thousands of north koreas were dying from starvation, this was after a collapse of the soviet eun union and economic mismanagement inside that country. people were starving and yet the regime stayed firmly in control and continued to launch missiles. it was just six or seven years later that they conducted their first nuclear test. they were advancing on the military front despite economic circumstances. what north korea said is even if china were to cut them off, they would survive. they would not cut from their nuclear programs. in north korea's view playing the long game, they feel these

weapons of mass destruction give them leverage against a far more powerful adversary, that being the united states and many of its adversaries around the world. north korea will move forward and this nuclear test was clearly a signal from their leader kim jong-un that he's not afraid of the repercussions but he's going to continue to develop these weapons and now they say they have a hydrogen bomb that they can fit on an intercontinental ballistic missile like the one they tested in july or the one they tested last week that flew over hokkaido in japan. >> aet this time, what is the threat. what is the threat they present to their neighbors and to the rest of the world? >> north korea's nuclear weapons are only getting more dangerous with 50e67 test. it gives them valuable scientific knowledge. but keep in mind north korea has

posed a great danger to south korea and regions in japan for a number of years. they have a number of weapons pointed directly at south korea. they could kill thousands quickly if a military fight were to break out. they could fire a missile with a warhead fire it here in tokyo. whether it could be shot down effectively hashas yet to be determined. and north korea has not yet done that. they have not used these conventional weapons. even at times a very conventional weapon. the reason they have not done this is they're not designed because they want to attack the united states and south korea and japan. they are designed to prevent them from being attacked. they're to keep the regime firmly in control and they believe this nuclear tee ternt is their key to stability and their key to eventually sit at the diplomatic table around the world. so just because they con diktded

the six military tests doesn't mean it's more dangerous. any misstep could contribute to a massive deadly confrontation. at least from their view and i was there yesterday they say they don't want a war and they feel like these kinds of weapons will prevent a war which is kind of counterinta'u tigs to the rest of the world. >> thank you, will, for your update. >> let's go now to our chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. she's in london. christiane, it's interesting that everyone has been trying to figure out kim jong-un since he has taken over the country, and we may have an opportunity to really figure out what he's doing and why at this point. >> you know, natalie, it's an extraordinary character that he has. on the one hand these reports

that he's had his closest relatives, associates machine gunned to death, his own brother vx nerved to death, him trying to stam his very violent stamp on the head of the regime there in north korea, and while on the other hand, relentlessly moving ahead with a highly complex, highly rational in terms of technology and engineering investment of this nuclear weapons program and it's unfolded step by step as he has said he intended it to do. so what to do now. those with the closest and deepest insights into north korea, certainly those in the united states, whether it is the former u.s. secretary of defense william perry who's been engaging with them ever since the clinton administration had a deal with them in the late '90s, or whether it is former a analyst who recently had spoken

to high-level officials had come to the same conclusion and that is there is no more talk about denuclearizing north korea or getting them to give up their nuclear weapons because that is what they want above all for several reasons, they say. to preserve their regime, preserve the kim din city and preserve the country and to be taken seriously and as they say, to grow their economy. what are the options? the options are that there has to be some kind of rethink into how you execute some kind of carrot stick diplomacy to get a deterrent in place because if there's no more way to get a denuclearized place in peninsula there has to be a die terence so these weapons are not used in a catastrophic military confrontation. that's the huge task on the plate of those who now have to

engage with north korea in a way that's not just sanctions but something extra as well. >> yeah. because certainly as you pointed out but we don't know the new leader so much, kim jong-un doesn't want to see the end of his regime and the annihilation of his country, so one would hope he has no intention of using these weapons, but he certainly has been, you know, sending signals to japan and guam as well or is that just bluster? >> it's not bluster because he's been doing what he's been doing. obviously he stepped down in terms of firing them off toward the u.s. territory. but the missiles and the progress and testing has been continuing. so it's not bluster. the real question is he suicidal, which people say he is not, does not want to see the destruction of his own din city or his own regime or his own country and then the next question is could there be a

misadventure. could there be a blundering into some kind of confrontation. if these continues mixed messages keep getting passed to each side. i think that is really the question. you know, how do they read the united states' intend. how do they read the statements coming out of either the white house or the pentagon. this isn't just for this u.s. administration. it's been previous administrations as well. is there a coordinated strategic coherent u.s. approach to this enkridably dangerous situation raich now. you remember president trump who engaged so-called strategic patience, where there wasn't any of this is all all this take place, the unfolding and succ s acceleration. at the same time, no negotiations were going on. he warned president trump, we understand from that

conversation, it was going to be president trump's most severe challenge going forward. i must say maybe north koreans say they don't want a war, but we have seen these images coming it ochlt you know how they have these sort of heroic communist-style kind of posters where they show north korean defenders firing off missiles and u.s. flag in shreds and fire and brimstone and all the people cheering, all the imagery going around this kind of confrontation is out there right now, and that obviously is to beef up their power. also in a way to condition the people. and that is also very dangerous in terms of messaging inside the country. >> yes. we've seen them cheering loudly. christiane amanpour, thank you so much for your analysis. thank you. >> let's go to cnn correspondent

mike cha know. so, mike, several things here, one of them is about sanctions. there's been a flu set of sanctions on north korea that was a few weeks ago. they are the harshest sanctions yet on pyongyang, but it is still possible to clamp down even further on their economy, for instance, clamping down on their oil, their main source of revenue and that would hurt their military apparatus. is that one way, you think, of curbing north korea's military testing? >> there are a couple of issues with sanctions. the first off is whether they can agree. it's interesting to note when the u.n. security council a few days ago strongly condemned north korea's missile launch, the one that flew over japan, both the russians and the chinese indicated they were very uncomfortable with sanctions and

the u.n. resolution was not accompanied by any newer tougher measures. the chinese who have been central have long been reluck tanltd to impose really, really tough sanctions because they're fearful that rather than forcing north korea to change its policy, it could bring about a change in policy or collapse which is something the chinese want to avoid. if all of their oil shipments were cut offing it would certainly hurt. but the question, if you look back over the history, sanctions have hurt north korea in many ways but there's very little evidence, however much damage has been caused, that sanctions have 3r0789ed pyongyang to change its policy. and the whole mindset of north korea is not one in which they're going to say, gosh, these sanctions are so tough, we'll just change our mind and decide to abandon our nuclear program and come to the table. it doesn't work that way. far more likely, if pyongyang was backed into a corner, that's

the one scenario where i could see them lashing out in anger. otherwise, i see all of this nuclear development and fire breathing propaganda is designed to deter the united states and anyone else who might think of taking military action. it's the security blanket for the regime. they're not suicidal. they're not crazy. i don't think they will initiate an attack except if they feel absolutely cornered. and one of the dangers of heightened sanctions is they might feel that wake. >> mike, do you think the u.s. may have to start accepting the existence of a nuclear armed north korea? >> i think the key thing here is the u.s. needs to talk to north korea. i think a strategy involving bigger sticks as well as bigger carrots might be worth examining. this does not mean getting into

detailed negotiations right off the bat. but it's time for someone speaking on behalf of the president needs to sit down with north korea and talk about the hard truths of whoo might happen if they don't back off from the brink. the problem is there's no political constituency in washington now that favors the idea of negotiations. it's been so discredited in the narrative that's taken hold in the media and political world it would be very, very hard politically to get something started. since sanctions don't work and war is a terrible alternative, you're really only left with finding some way to open the door to talk. it's worth noting at the moment the u.s. is making judgments on north korea base on its military display-by-play the military tests and overblown propaganda from north korea. north korea is reading donald trump's tweets.

nighter side has had really any opportunity at the higher level to figure out what the other wantings and whether there's a chance to bridge this to prevent something worse. >> there has been some contact, not high-level, you're right, but there is some. that's something we'll have to dig into more of later. mike chinoy. thank you. coming up, we'll talk with someone who first detected the seismic activity. going up here. they'll get the lowest price guaranteed on our rooms by booking direct on choicehotels.com? hey! badda book. badda boom! mr. badda book. badda boom! book now at choicehotels.com we danced in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen.man. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree.

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less than a day after pong yoing said it had a new hydrogen bomb. they claim it can be loaded onto a intercontinental ballistic missile. >> he's the executive secretary of the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty organization. thank you for joining us. tell us. you have monitoring stations around the world. how did you first detect what happened? >> our international monitoring station which comprises 365 facilities around the world has detected a large size mieismic much larger than what was previously recorded in peninsula. nearly 6.59 compared to the one in 2016, 5.1. that is clearly a situation that the physics of the event say it's much bigger and larger

event that they discovered this time and quite concerned. >> what are we looking at? what is the signs tells you. each time i ask you, each time it claims it's done something with a nuclear test or missile test, the surrounding countries then make their own assessment based on the science of what it is. what are the signing telling you? >> they're telling us they're dealing with the seismology. we're talking about 5.9 magnitude which is much higher than the previous event. it's reaching a serious level than wait has reached in 2006. >> there were two separate

incidents, an earthquake, an explosion. can you tell us about this? >> an earthquake and explosion, at this point we characterize as an event and then we work to discriminate it from an earthquake. it certainly doesn't look like an earthquake. three events. 130 utc, which is a maeeasured detection. and 8 1/2 minutes later there was another aftershock in the same location, there was a big blast. >> talk with us, rkus,lassina. they have done so yet again. >> yep, not complying with the treaty. it's been pending for more than 20 years. we're urging the international

community, especially the eight remaining countries to ratify it so it's in force. it would not leave any room for any country to conduct a nuclear test explosion. this is what we've been advocating for many, many years. >> lassina, having said that, treaties are all well and good, but if there isn't somebody to enforce the treaty, there isn't much you can do. >> the treaty is not enforced. because the treaty is not enforced, we're sit in a situation where it goes back and forth to the different countries. i think with a comparative study we have a situation that kicks in and a law that is in place effectively, and that doesn't leave any room for people for any country to come back and test in the first place. that's what we're trying to achieve. >> what are you wanting to hear from the united states on this

situation? >> but what i want to hear not only from the united states and from the international community as a whole, it's time to move on and draw a moratorium on efforting as soon as possible. >> lassina zerbo, thank you. thank you for watching us. i'm natalie allen. >> and i'm cyril vanier. "new day" is coming up next with more on north korea's sixth kan largest nuclear test. whoa that's amazing...

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breaking news this morning. north korea is claiming it's successful tested a hydrogen bomb. i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm christi paul. that is coming from north korea. >> yes. this is major development and a clear message to the world from president trump that they are not backing down. here's what we know. overnight the