real for us because now i've got a leader of a foreign country who says i'm going to take my missile, and i'm going to kill your citizens with it. >> what kind of confidence do you have if north korea launches a system that the missile will work? >> interceptors have only struck as target ten times in controlled launches. >> just because we have had some failures doesn't mean we are not learning. >> alaska senator dan sullivan believes its the best shot as a last defense as north korea moves rapidly to strike the u.s. mainland. announcing -- >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news! >> breaking news from north korea. this morning, a pyongyang is claiming to have successfully tested a hide again bomb decide to fits its intercontinental

ballistic missile. >> north state media is calling it a perfect success and it could put the u.s. and south korea within striking range. the tremors ten times stronger than the last nuclear test. >> there was an emergency call by south korea and the emergency national council meeting presided over president moon jae in. listen to the presidential chief ju security advice adviser. >> with the continued proindication of icbm missile launch, along with the international society, and decided to seek diplomatic measures such as pushing ahead for new nsc resolution to complete isolate north korea. >> this is the country's sixth ever test of a nuclear weapon

and the first test they are tested since donald trump took office. >> cnn is covering this from all angles. will ripley and our panel of political experts are with us as well. >> will is live from tokyo. i think a lot of people are waking up and say saying what is the danger of this test? >> i think the bottom line here is the world is not necessarily more dangerous now than it was several hours ago before north korea conducted this nuclear test baugh the united states and south korea have known since at least april north korea was ready to push the button on this nuclear test at any moment on the order of kim jong-un. instead of thinking about this in term of danger we need to think in terms of context what has been unfolding the last week or so. we have with the conclusion of those joint military exercises between the u.s. and south korea, exercises that always

infuriate the north korean regime and saw them fire their medium-range over an island in northern japan. people woke up to air raid sirens and alert messages on their phones so a scary situation for people in this region. we saw the u.s. respond with flying a b-2b bombers. fler's initi north korea's initial response was relatively calm but what we saw was a high level meeting between kim jong-un and members of his bureau on saturday afternoon local time and decided to give the order to conduct this sixth nuclear test and sending a message of defiance to the united states. 48 hours ago north korean state media put out a statement saying it's time for the u.s. to change its longstanding policy of refusing to acknowledge north korea as a nuclear weapon state. they want the united states to change course, to stop what

north korea considers a hostile policy, to accept north korea as a nuclear power and sit down with them at the diplomatic table but for the u.s. this poses a huge challenge because would they be essentially rewarding north korea for conducting missile tests and nuclear tests flagrant violation of international law? from the north korean's viewpoint i just woke up in pyongyang yesterday and landed in tokyo last night. they say the nuclear program has come too far and they are not giving it up. >> boris sanchez is joining us from washington. what is the reaction from the u.s.? >> hey, good morning. so far, cnn has reached out to the white house and the pentagon but we have not yet heard back. i did want to point out in that security meeting you mentioned in south korea, one of the key components from that meeting is the country's chief security adviser said he spoke with the united states about, quote, deploying the strongest u.s. military assets in the region to

neutralize north korea. we know that he had had a conversation earlier today shortly after this nuclear test with the national security adviser, his counterpart in the united states, h.r. mcmaster so we know the administration is at least aware of this test and perhaps preparing some kind of response and it will be an interesting one to look for, in part, because we have seen this back and forth. there is a test or a missile launch from north korea and then there is a strong threatening response from president trump, whether it be saying that the u.s. would respond with fire and fury the like of which the world had never seen, saying that our military assets are locked and loaded, all options are on the table. despite that, just a few days ago, the president, himself, actually left the door ever so slightly open for diplomacy. listen closely to what ed at a rally.

>> kim jong-un, i respect the fact that i believe he is starting to respect us. i respect that fact very much. and maybe -- probably not -- but maybe something positive can come about. >> maybe, but probably not. then you north korea launching missiles over japan and that pushed the president to send out a tweet saying the united states was paying extortion money to north korea and saying talking is not the answer. that runs contradictory to something many of his closest advisers have said. secretary of defense james mattis a few days ago saying diplomacy should be the path forward for dealing with north korea because we have seen these provocations continuously escalate. the president's response today will be key. we have yet to hear from the white house but as soon as we

do, we will bring it to you. >> boris sanchez, thank you so much for the latest there. >> let's bring in our panel julian zeleny and sarah westwood, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> i want to pick up, julian, the thread that boris offered here. virtual silence from this administration. we are hearing from leader around the world. time zones probably play some role into that. why haven't we heard? what do you glean from this silence? >> i assume something is going to come soon. so we should watch that twist foed. i do think the administration is trying to figure out what to do. it has followed this path of being pretty provocative in response to what north korea wants to do. and mattis thinking through a diplomatic track because the

other isn't working. some of the silence might be some thinking and some of it might just be waiting and we are going to see a fleury of responses in the next few hours. >> sarah, we keep hearing about diploma diploma diplomacy, that it has to be practiced. here there a contingent in washington that could sit down with pyongyang? >> i think when general mat it's talked about it earlier this week, he made it clear a dialogue is not the only diplomatic tool at the u.s.' disposal and one that washington wouldn't pursue unless north korea was being less provocative and scaling back its nuclear test, missile test and provocative activity and we are not seeing that happen. the other things mattis was pressuring some of the countries that deal with north korea like china is the primary one to enforce these sanctions more strictly. those are the typ types of thine

might see the u.s. so focus on. >> so you have, julian, these conflicting messages from the administration. first, president trump tweets out on thursday that talking is not the answer. then on friday, as you both have referenced, secretary mattis -- let's play what secretary mattis said, if we have it available. >> are we out of diplomatic -- for north korea? >> no. here in washington, we are keenly aware that south korea is on the front line and we are not complacent. >> not out of diplomatic solutions. julian, is this coordinated good cop/bad cop or do you have a president who may be off the page, or this secretary of defense who refutes what the president asserts?

>> look. i think it's both. i think with president trump, everything is not so calculate. i think he goes back and forth on many issues and allows different members of his administration to say different things. but historically, this is what administrations will do on many foreign policy crises and send out both messages. this is the whole motto of peace through strength under ronald reagan, we will be tough and use military force but also keep the door open for diplomacy. what is sporn issolating himsel. if president trump convenes in the wrong way like in august making himself part of the story, he undermines that. if he allows north korea to do the talking, part of what happens is internationally, they become more and more isolated and that actually creates opportunities for international dialogue. >> sarah, with that said, do you get the sense that this is, on

some level, an ego competition between both leaders? >> i think that is the case always when you have kim jong-un who is someone whose public image is very central to his power. so that is always going to be the case when kim jong-un is facing off against any leader. and i do agree. i think the administration has a coherent strategy when it comes to north korea, a basic framework for it, if you will, that military option is the last option that the washington wants to pursue that first and foremost, they would like to just negotiate, if north korea can meet a certain set of conditions. what the administration has not agreed on is how to you talk about it because president trump is making vague, but very strong, threats that have unsettled the international community a little bit and jim mattis is bringing the temperature down a little bit but doesn't change the underlining strategy and i think that is important to remember whenever we see president trump say he is surrounded by people

who do have more or less a clear idea of what they want to do to contain north korea. >> julian zeleny and sarah westwood, thank you both for being a part of the conversation. >> thank you. >> you'll remember, the president saying that he is a bad or sick guy, that is president trump talking about president obama, accusing him of wiretapping trump tower. >> the department of justice says there is no proof that it ever happened, though. is the damage already done? we are going to talk about that. also, president trump says the decision is coming tuesday regarding protections for young undocumented immigrants. will the president scrap the dream of program or follow the advice from several i don't happen colleagues to leave it intact? hey grandpa. hey, kid. really good to see you. you too. you tell grandma you were going fishing again? maybe.

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breaking news this hour as things seem to be developing between north korea and the u.s. north korea is claiming to have had, quote, perfect success in testing a hydrogen bomb overnight. this is for its intercontinental

ballistic missile. i want to he some of pictures of kim jong-un after the test. >> this is pyongyang's sixth test of a nuclear weapon the first since president trump took office. japan says the tremors caused by the test was ten times more powerful than the last test. the justice department found zero evidence that former president obama wire-tapped trump tower despite the accusations of president trump in a filing the doj writes this. those tweets back in march here is one of them. here now cnn national security analyst shawn turner. good morning to you, shawn.

i wonder, i mean, does this go the way of birther claim 3 to 5 million people voted and millions of pallets towheaded t iran? >> unfortunately, it looks that way. what this report does if you recall back in march when the president sent this tweet it wasn't senior intelligence official who say this was baseless but others come out and say there was no evidence that this happened. i think this really does kind of go in that category of another baseless claim that the president has made and it's really unfortunate because this is one that is particularly egregious from my perspective regard to its implications for national security. >> you have concerns about how this will impact the intelligence relationship between the u.s. and the uk. specifically, you point to the

news conference in which former press secretary sean spicer tried to defend it and put it on the gchq. >> sean spicer stood at the podium and talked about some anonymous sources that suggested that the former president had conspired with british intelligence sources. the gchq to wire-tap trump tower. for many reasons that is problematic. the current president would be breaking the law. we don't spy on u.s. citizens. it send a real chill through the relationship, the intelligence sharing relationship that we have with our partners and allies. so what the president has to understand is that right now, our national security needs really should not be impacted by this kind of baseless claim. >> shawn turner, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> breaking news out of north korea and their latest nuclear

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you. the president is talking about this this morning. what is the reaction there? >> let me give you an update first of all. we are getting new information from the korea meteorological agency. they say 50 kilotons as opposed to 120 kilotons so we are trying to figure out which figure is correct. even if it's 50 kilotons that is significantly largely than december of last year and has that was 10 kilotons so north korea making some improvements. we know from the defense ministry point of view in south korea they are saying whatever happens now, the responsibility lies on north korea. we know the charirmans of the joint chiefs of staff in the united states. one was spoken twice on the phone to the south korean counterparts and combine efforts as soon as possible possible. that could be a show of force.

wen see b-1b bombers flying over the peninsula as recently as last week. it's difficult to see what they could could beyond that, whether they will have extra military assets coming into the region. that certainly what the south korean president moon jae-in wants. he wants extra assets what they will be, we will have to wait and see' trying to get some clarification from the u.s. side but he has had a strong response in the national security meeting this morning. this is a quote from moon jae-in saying north korea made an absurd strategic mistake that further isolate it from the international community. this from the man who came to power saying he wanted dialogue with north korea but, clearly, this is putting him, putting the region in a very difficult situation. so we will have to wait and see what kind of military measures we will see from the u.s. and south korea. >> paula hancocks, thank you for the update. >> joining is cnn chief

international correspondent christiane amanpour. if this nuclear program for kim is about self-preservation the challenge for the rest of the world is try to convince him to abandon something he equates with survival. >> yeah. the challenge is a very real one but the most important thing to keep in mind, especially for you all over in the united states, is that the key development today is not just in the nuclear realm, it's in the fact that they say it's a militarized war head that they have successfully tested in order to be able to put it on an icbm and internet continental bask missile they have been also been testing and trying to affect so that means it could reach the united states and that puts a whole different amount of pressure, a whole different context in this development for the u.s. to that end, what happens next? u.s. officials who ven talking

and engaging with the most important north korean officials believe that they have no interest in denuclearization. that was always the basis of the whole sort of strategic context around so-called six-party talks in north korea. denuclearize the korean peninsula. but they have been saying, no, we are not doing that. this is our final deterrent. we wants insurance that our regime survives and no regime change in the offing, that our country survives, that we are taken as a serious international partners that is now a nuclear power. they want to improve their economy. so all of those things is what they want according to former u.s. defense secretary william perry and according to former cia analyst the latest and last to talk to significant north korean officials in sweden many past june in an attempt to see

what it might take to restart negotiations and walk back from this brink. they want to use it because they don't want any regime change so has is really the main thing. now the you, which is wanting to engage china and the rest, need to persuade china that reining in north korea does not mean regime change because china is reluctant to put the pressure on north korea only it can. why? not because of north koreans flooding into china and destabling china but but china doesn't want to lose its buffer. north korea's buffer between ch china and military force in south korea, japan, et cetera. there need to be a meeting of the minds between all of these powers to decide how with one voice to rein in north korea.

>> observe times we look back at history to see what has worked and hasn't worked and an ability to look forward. but there has not been, as you pointed out -- i'd love your take on this -- it seems a consistent strategy from the u.s. when it comes to north korea. how do we set a consistent strategy, especially with kim jong-un who is very different to deal with than his father? >> yeah. and his grandfather as well because the grandfather was the founder of the kim dynasty and he actually was moving towards the whole sort of nuclear issue and the clinton administration, bill clinton in the '90s, they engaged final when it came to a tense moment in the mid '90s and they came up with an agreement and that worked to an extent for a period of years. then george w. bush's administration started, in 2000 and 2001 by basically ditching

all of that and trying to be really tough guys and confronting north korea and that resulted in exactly the opposite effect because it meant north korea pulling out of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and kicking out the u.n. inspectors and ieea nuclear inspectors and while they galluped in their program. the second term of the george w. bush administration they reversed course and they did actually engage. we all went to north korea and there was cultural diplomacy along with nuclear diplomacy and that also achieved a halt of their known nuclear program at the time, the plutonium reactor which is outside of the capital pyongyang. that worked a while and u.s. made reciprocal step. then that fell apart when, among other things, kim jong-il died

and kim jong-un became the leader and there were no really meaningful negotiations, certainly no bilateral negotiation and, instead, they raced ahead with their program so where we are now. just about most senior and serious players don't believe that the option is any longer on the table for them to give up their nuclear capacity. the question is how do you deal with it? how do you contain it? and how do you somehow at some point perhaps after a period of cooling off get around with your allies a coherent strategy to engage in some kind of, you know, of trying to rein it in. >> what is the role of personal legacy here? kim jong-un inherited this role as a young man when his father died. he is likely trying to establish his legacy in the shadow of his grandfather and father. what is the role that that plays

in the ambition of this nuclear warhead? >> well, you know, it's hard to know because kim jong-un has not engaged internationally the same way kim jong-il did. it was limited but nonetheless he engaged with international powers and including with the chinese leadership and so did, obviously, his father kim il-sung, the founder who met the forler u. former u.s. president at the time jimmy carter and led to range of improvements in terms of trying to limit the damage from their nuclear program. kim jong-un has been completely different. he hasn't gone to beijing, he hasn't met with the chinese leadership. he hasn't met with any other leadership as far as we know around the world either. he also has got this incredibly ruthless streak he has been very careful to sort of develop into this savage personality. the machine gunning of family

members who he decided were pont opponents and nerve gassing his brother in malaysia, i think it was and knocking off the competition and at the same time racing toward this nuclear ambition. having said that, those who have engaged william perry, former defense secretary, they don't believe that he is suicidal. he may be volatile, he may be determined to have his nuclear program, he may blunder into a miscommunication, a misinterpretation of what u.s. strategy is or whatever it might be but they don't believe they want to start a nuclear war. >> christiane amanpour joining us from london, thank you so much. i don't know if you remember

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breaking news this hour. north korea claiming this morning that they, quote, had perfect success in testing a hydrogen bomb overnight that is designed to fit its intercontinental ballistic missile. >> this morning, china is urging

pyongyang to, quote, stop taking wrong actions. china also says it started emergency monitoring for radiation along its border with north korea. >> the tremor caused by a test we are told were ten times stronger than the previous nuclear test. >> for more on the geological readings here is cnn meteorologist allison chinchar. this is supposed to be much stronger than the last? >> and a hundred times stronger than the original 4.3. it's important to understand the scale, okay is in the earthquake from this morning was a magnitude 6.3, okay? the one from last year, september of last year, was a 5.3 and in term of magnitude you're talking one-point difference but in terms of stren strength, it's ten times stronger than the we had. comparing it to 2006, a 4.3 and today is 100 times stronger, okay? even though a 2.0 difference on the actual magnitude. all right? the other thing is when you you start getting earthquakes of that scale 6.3, in the korean

peninsula a lot of red flags go off. these are the major fault lines, the red lines you see here. the korean peninsula is well to the west it doesn't necessarily fall on a major fault line and a big indicator it's likely an artificial rather than a geological type of earthquake the ones you typically have in japan, california, alaska, okay? the other thing that raises red flags is the depth. earthquake this morning was a 6.3 magnitude with a depth of zero. standard traditional type of earthquakes tend to have a depth of anywhere between 1.0 to even 100 kilo meters deep, okay? this one was different. the other thing to mention only 8 1/2 minutes after that original quake a secondary one 4.1, okay? that is over 150 times weaker than the initial one, okay?

even though a difference 6.3 versus 4.1. the depth of that zero kilometers. what is survey estimating it's a structural collapse triggered from the initial quake. >> allison chinchar, thank you so much. the u.s. is counting on the thad, anne missile defense to protect guam and hawaii from any north korean missiles. >> much closer to pyongyang is south korea. the system likely cannot protect the country's biggest cities. here is cnn's anna coren. >> reporter: a defensive strategy based on thad or the terminal high altitude aerial defense and shoot down missiles exactly the type of weapons north korea says it has.

so how does thaad work? first, if tuses radar to detect incoming missiles. then an interceptor missile from a launcher to destroy the mid coming threat mid air. last month the u.s. said it tested thaad and shot down a target over alaska. the system has been in place several years in the u.s. states of hawaii and guam and both of which north korea has threatened. u.s. official say a north korean missile would take 14 minutes to reach guam with thousands of u.s. military personnel and assets are based. thaad along with nearby warships equipped with another missile system would play a critical role in defending the island. in south korea criticism over how thaad could be. in theory it could shoot down missiles aimed at several areas of the country which include key military and ammunition bases.

but that can't protect the 10 million people here in south korea's capital. seoul is less than 60 kilometers with the border with the north which means it's vulnerable to shorter range missile attack. china and russia have criticized the ghomt of the u.s. anti-military systems seeing them as a threat to their own military capabilities and saying an american buildup in asia will only increase tensions. adding to the increasingly dramatic war of words between the united states and north korea. anna coren, cnn, seoul. you have likely seen every time north korea has announced a nuclear test or missile launch, we are talking about re. >> north korea's most familiar faces on the air waves of the country's only television

channel for 40 years and everything from missile tests to satellite launches but one of her defining moments in 1994. she went her way through the announcement that supreme leader kim il-sung had died. >> her tips for aspiring anchors offered one to china reporter on chinese television. develop your own personal style and make sure you mix up your tone. >> in other words, know what you're talking about and convey it properly. >> that is probably the best advice but something there from re. coming up on "new day" an international reaction to north korea's latest nuclear test. north korea is calling it the final step in attaining what it calls a state nuclear force and south korea calls it an absurd nuclear mistake. "new day" continues after a break. if you have moderate to se plaque psoriasis,... ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through?

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this is cnn breaking news. so grateful to have you with us here to our viewers here in the u.s. and around the world. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. good morning. new developments in the breaking news. russia is calling to the strongest condemnation of north korea after its announced its powerful and most provocative nuclear test yet. >> they are calling it a perfect success. quote. north korea saying. >> that would be a major development and clear message to the world. and president trump said that north korea is not backing down. >> overnight the usga measured 6.3 magnitude earthquake not far from north korea's test site. the numbers are still coming in. but south korea estimates it