accountability on me. >> we have to leave it there, thank you for joining us this morning on this extended "state of the union." "reliable sources" starts right now. >> i'm brian stealth lter, welco our viewers in the united states and around the world. let's get right to it. the breaking news about another escalation between north korea and the rest of the world. the appearance of this woman on north korean state television dated a big announcement from the rogue regime. this north korean investigation of a propagandist claims that this was the most successfully tested of a hydrogen bomb yet. will ripley who just got back

from pyongyang is here for us. any time we see this news anchor, it's big news, how serious is this announcement being taken there in japan and elsewhere in the region? >> reporter: it's remarkable, brian, i was outside of the train station last week, but the news reader who announces all the big events in north korea, the deaths of the leaders, the five nuclear tests and now this launch today. she came up on a big screen, and hundreds of north koreans gathered, they stopped, they watched, they paid attention and when she announced the words of the government's latest achievements they started clapping, that's maybe because they have to, or maybe because they want to, but it truly shows the propaganda machine in north korea. >> like now president trump says

there's a danger, there's a threat to the country, i get skeptical immediately, maybe that's because of what the americans experienced in the ramp up to the iraq war. but to see the president saying that north korea is dangerous to the united states, how dangerous is north korea really? >> reporter: north korea has always been dangerous for decades, long before they had it in their possession, a viable nuclear weapon, because they had so many conventional weapons and they had so many years where they had conventional weapons that they could rain on south korea as well. they have always looked at these weapons as deterrents, now they have a deterrent that threatens all of the united states. but north korea and officials have reiterated to me that while

they have these weapons and they say they're not afraid to use them, they don't want to use them, they consider it a deterrent from being invaded like iraq was. or like gadhafi in libya. so these weapons are essentially an insurance policy to keep north korea's leader kim jong-un in power. >> and what's your sense, as someone who's able to travel to pyongyang, a place where almost no western reporters are able to be, what we can do in the news media is verify the claims that north korea makes, we haven't seen confirmation of this test did we? >> but geologists around the world today -- what struck me is that this took 11 minutes from the time of north korea to reach

the seismic station in norway, but they were quickly able to determine, that this was a man-made event, not a natural earth quake, so long before north korea makes an official announcement, they are able to know how powerful this earthquake was, and use that expenditure to calculate how big this bomb was, north korea has not even announced yet how many kill tons this announcement was. you have this seismologist in no way, saying this was 50 kill tons, but the bomb that was dropped on north korea in japan was 50 kilo tons, and we saw north korea re-lease those pictures of kim jong-un standing in front of what they claimed was a miniaturized hydroden bomb. i thought things might actually be coming down, but i'll tell you earlier in the morning local time, when i saw those images released, i was nervous and of

course a few hours later it turns out that the earth quake was felt and that north korea really did test this high drove general bomb. hydrogen bomb. >> they're crying out for attention, they're certainly getting it now. will, thank you so much, and stay with cnn throughout the day for the latest on this story. whether it's about north korea or china or anywhere closer to home. where the president gets his information is crucial, because we know that it.

>> what are the times here, kelly cannot stop donald trump from watching the news. trump asked a friend recently, where did the daily caller go, where is breitbart? the president's media diary may be changing. sarah westwood, a white house correspondent for the examiner.

and errol lewis. quiet great to see you all, you kvr the white house every day, you understand the importance of the president's media diet. the story is being put on his desk are changing, maybe he's not seeing the newly critical breitbart stories about hid presidency. >> on the one hand it can have a c positive impact on his presidency, and some of his unnecessary -- when president trump was publicly commenting on stories he had read on conservative media, heard on contest radio, when he tweeted out the unsubstantiated claim that trump tower had been wiretapped. on the other hand, president trump does need to be exposed to

criticism from his base when he's going in a direction that his voters don't like, and he can really only get that from a lot of sources from breitbart, from the daily caller, so there needs to be some amount of that media be placed on his desk, but it's important that that media be vettedcy before it reaches his hands. these were free requests for information about whether the justice department had any documents proving that the obama administration who wiretapped trump tower and came up empty, maybe that's the final conclusi conclusion to that wiretapping story. >> it's not -- you have an entire justice apparatus that's out there, you have an entire intelligence apparatus that's out there, it's there for a reason, it's there to put only true and accurate information in

front of the president so he won't go off on wild goose chases like this wiretapping of trump power. and the flow of information is not just a trickle, it's now a flood. it really sort of throws off the balance of the white house' decision-making process. >> so kelly, trying to restore some kind of order or some kind of normal floe of informatio al. sarah huckabee sanders, four or five on camera briefings during the month, which journalists have been pushing to remain on camera and not be held off camera. a lot of i don't knows from sarah huckabee sanders. >> no, i don't know, i'm not sure, i'm not aware of any

specific. i'm not sure, i'm not aware of that. >> there's a twist on the i don't know. i'll get back to you. >> i would have to check on that and get back to you, i would have to check on that and get get back to you, we'll have to look into that. i'll legal you know. i'll legal you know. i hate to sound like a broken record, i'll let you know, we'll let you guys know. let you know. i'll certainly keep you posted. we'll continue to keep you guys updated. >> are you saying you will ask him and get back to us? >> i said i will have to in order to answer that question. >> sometimes the press shop does. alice, your reaction as a former communications director for a campaign? >> clearly the number one mission and the focus of the

briefings, whether it's at the white house or on a state level is to get your message out and get your points out and get your agenda out there and then follow-up questions from the media. and something to always keep in mind is to be factual, be consistent with your boss and if there are additional questions you make sure and you do that and answer as many questions as you possibly can, and that is critical to do so. but at the same time, sarah and the coms team are available to answer questions 24/7, and the press briefing is just one aspect of what they do to answer the question, and it's also important while they're being factual and september wiconsis n their boss, i know a lot of the questions you just played clips

from, are many of the same initiatives that haven't been finalized. so she can't get out there ahead of it. so with regards to that i think it's important for reporters to understand that when the administration is ready to announce a certain program then they will do it, but it's never helpful to put it out in drips and drabs in press conferences and that's what sarah huckabee sanders is trying not to do. >> errol sanders said it was going to be on tuesday, but another example of the confusion from the trump white house. >> look, the reality is, in effect the communications director, i guess they have gone through three or four of them now. the communications director is going through the oval office, he's making his own schedule, his policy and the announcements and so for, you look at, i love

that montage you put up there, the coms team racking up ious, i'll get back to you, i don't know. that's the way things are supposed to work because those are answers to questions about various agencies. >> sometimes she doesn't want to know if president trump's going to answer, because she says i haven't asked him, i don't know. >> it sort of speaks to the fact that this is a two-way street, she is supposed to not be just dispensing the party line, but she's also supposed to bring back to the policy team, to the white house, to the president if necessary that amount of questions are coming from the public in the form or questif q from the news media and they're going to have to step up the pace on answers to some of these questions. >> you're seeing an abundance of caution that we did not see before the midway area where we had this very high profile

contradiction from president trump on the reason fbi director james comey was fired in this interview with lester holt. that was a big blow to the press shop, and i don't know that we have reached the level of candor that we saw in the briefings before that incident. you can almost draw a line of demarcation, now i think that the press group thinks that president trump might tweet something that's out of the party line. i think they don't want to be contradicted by the president, that's why you see these news briefings no longer as informative as they used to be. >> coming up next, the after math of hurricane harvey, if the press has repeated mistakes made in katrina or if they have

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in the wake of hurricane harvey there's been so many stories to tell. voluntaries and journey irs ali jumped in to help. you see this one here from ed hea lavender are last sunday. reporters helping people out of their homes, helping people into boats and a crew that was lifting a man in a cast, helping lift that man into an suv. just because they happened to be there and they could help. but that's what makes president trump's comment from yesterday so weird. he had a lot yesterday to say in both texas and louisiana, he was

touring the areas affected by the flooding, he's received a lot of praise for doing so. but i want to show you this really strange comment he made while speaking with coast guard members, he had a media critique he just couldn't resist. >> i hear the coast guard saved almost 11,000 people by going into winds that the media will no go into. in the there it's a really good story in which case they will. >> we saw many members of the media, out with the coast guard, with many others, cnn's anderson cooper was up in those helicopters with the coast guard observing those rescues, using technology that we hadn't seen

in previous storms. let me bring in will bunch. will is the national columnist, and he wrote about journal reis stepping up in this time of crisis in texas and louisiana. you connected this to the president's past rhetoric got the american press being enemies of the american people of the what was your message for president trump? >> the thursday night before hurricane harvey struck, when the storm was baring down on the the texas coast, he had this rally in phoenix, where he said no offense to anyone, cnn sucks, this has been the theme of so many of his rallies that journalists were the enemies of the american people. and those words were still ringing in my ears and i saw clips like the ed lavendera clip that you heard, or brandy smith

in houston. >> getting ready to head over to a man whose truck was high in floodwaters. >> and she was doing this while her station was broadcasting while water was rushing into the first floor of their station. it just led me to ask, who are these enemies of the american people and how helpful is his rhetoric. i have been a journalist for a long time, i don't want to go around saying that all journalists are heroes. but the point that needs to be made here is that journalists are human, and we saw an army of journalists descend on houston with the interest in wanting to help people. whether in dramatic ways that you showed, but also just giving information to people, where are roads closed, where are shelters

open. and there's been a lot of talk as to whether journalists are the enemy of the american people or whether they're frinds of the goc si. >> let's show that video you saw yesterday with the coast guard. >> i hear the coast guard saved 11,000 people, think of it almost 11,000 people by going into winds that the media would not go into. they will not go into those winds, unless it's a really good story, in which case they will. >> what do you think motivates the president to go off script like that when he's celebrating rescuers off the gulf coast. >> i think one, it's for lack of a better term pathological with the president. and his hatred of the media and all presidents have a dislike of the media. but his approval rating is down

to 34% and he's desperately trying to hold his base together. i talk to a lot of conservatives and so do you, i think one thing that holds donald trump's base together is hate tread of the media, contempt, he realizes that he's dividing the country, but he's unifying his base at the same time. it's a political strategy to be sure. >> another interesting donald trump family example of reacting to harvey coverage this week, one of the president's sons eric trump wrote this on twitter, he was touting the fact that the president was going to donate 1 million to the recovery. he said i'm so impressed, let's see if the media acknowledges his incredible generosity. my guest they won't. this is after cnn and other outlets were covering that pledged donation, obviously reporters need to follow up and

find out where the money goes and who receives the money, but kind of randomly attacking the press which just turning on the tv would have showed he was wrong. >> i heart quite a bit about president trump's $1 million done nation, which by the way has not happened yet and i think there's been some back pedalling on this. >> i'm sure he eat going to make the donation, but we haven't seen it yet. >> i wanted to show you this on krrk nn's rosa flores. skeflt blogs use it basically to attack cnn, it was a very human moment with rosa flores interviewing a survivor of the flooding. and then in the middle, she said she didn't want to talk anymore. >> you're with your children, we have haireard of mothers trying save their children from the rushing waters. >> four feet of water to go get them food on the first day, but

you all sit here trying to interview people during their worst times, that's not the smartest things to do. people are breaking down and you're here with cameras asking us what the bleep is wrong with us. with me slivy kidshivering with then you want to ask us our stories? >> the woman agreeing to interview at the time, but at that moment wanting the interview to end. i was curious what you think of the ethics of interviewing evacuees like that. >> i think there's a story that needs to be told, when you go into a situation like that you're going to find many people who want their story told, things they want from the

government that they're not getting, and they want to reassure other family members that they're still alive, that they sure viewed the flood, all kinds of good things can come out of those interviews but people are people and some people are going to feel it's intrusive, and any journalist who has worked for a number of years has experienced a situation like that. it all feeds into the biggest point. journalists are not all perfect, journalists are human. this is the 12th anniversary of katrina coverage. i'll talk with the activist and documentaryian henry shearer. purina one, true instinct.

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. hurricane harvey, the storm is over, but harvey the story is really just beginning. as you have seen, the devastation is why it spread, there's many environmental hazards and safety concerns. it's going to be a long recovery process. as the water recedes, will the media leave as well? for more on that i spoke with actor and filmmaker harry shearer. do you see parallels in the way hurricane katrina was covered 12 years ago this week, versus harvey today, the idea that there is saturation, wall to wall coverage in the very beginning, but then it tapers off very quickly? >> we don't know init's going to

taper off quickly in the way of harvey, the networks, the news agencies saturate an area that's having a disaster like this, and something else happens and most of those people leave. what happened here in new orleans is those people left before the real heart of the story was revealed that made their finding pub indicated later. and that's when we learned in one of our reports, this wasn't a natural disaster, this was the worst man-made engineering controversy since chernobyl, you still see people saying that hurricane katrina smashed into new orleans. we learned that that's not really what happened. hopefully the situation in houston is happening so much faster, most of the city by now is not under water anymore. it took six weeks for the water

to leave new orleans. so there's been time already as narratives get set, and narratives always get set for big stories, for more forensic situation to be allowed into the narrative, so you have had "the washington post," the "new york times," a couple of public radio stations and most notably, bloomberg business week already starting to report on houston and the way it was built may have contributed to the flooding. there's a thing as you know in your business, cable television, called wallpapering, where old footage will be shown on screen so that you don't have to see a talking head full screen, what

we ran into here in new orleans, is that wallpaper would be shown months later and people would come to this city aghast, saying i'm amazed that the city isn't still under water. the convention of saying file footage over old footage i think has fallen off and people should know four or five months from now when they're looking at footage of the houston flood that it's still not under water. >> when the storm is over, the real story is just beginning. >> yes, it is. and in the case of new orleans, what we can tell houston that's coming, is now the water is already receding, we had it for six weeks, so we had it with under ground utilities being flooded and rotted out. there's still going to be problems of mold in these

houses, people are going to be have health problems and all of that. you're hearing stories about the toxic situations. and houston is a petro chemical capital and as air conditioning as failed for some of these plants, you're having problems, so there's going to be these we're cannonizations of problems that are being followed. and then later on, the political conundr conundrum, the city that prides itself on self reliance, go to washington with a very big tin cup in hand. >> he pointed out to me that his knowledge about katrina and the man-made levees came from experts he interviewed. how coverage of the russia

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welcome back to "reliable sources." is the trump and russia story over like the biggest stars on fox news claim? that's the subject of my essay today. is its over in many questions about the russian interference in the u.s. election are unanswered. but i want you to notice how conservative media heavyweights have been spinning this. they talk about russia in the past tense, like it's over like it's been settled and trump is completely vindicated. this is tucker carlson's show on august 24. >> did the russia story disappear or is that my imagination? >> before i went on vacation, it was the biggest story of our

lifetime and with we were entering a constitutional crisis. after i came back on vacation, it's difficult to find anything on this. >> that's a typical trump protalking points. the day before that tucker carlson clip, actually cnn broke this news. >> breaking news, a cnn exclusive, a revealing email from a top aid to president trump under knew scrutiny tonight under congressional investigators. the email detailed an effort to arrange a meeting between top trump officials and russian president vladimir putin, during the campaign. >> fox's newsroom, did follow up on it, maybe tucker did -- trump had been clashing multiple gop senators over russia. but this idea has been a theme on fox's opinion shows in recent weeks, the idea that the russia

scandal has -- i don't know, just faded away. >> what is one thing that i don't think anybody has talked about all week, russia. in fact i don't remember the last time i read a story about russia and three weeks ago, it was all we were talking about. >> so now they claim, trump critics are desperately trying to change the subject. >> are you are that probe didn't go anywhere for the democrats, so now they're all outraged for the confederate statues. they didn't get so far on this russia investigation, that story didn't really gather a lot of steam. >> russia in the past tense, implying that it's over now, there's no robert mueller investigation, there's no investigations about hacking or colluding, there's nothing to see here. >> it's gone from russia, russia, russia, to president trump going to start a war with north korea, it's gone. they did not make russia,

russia, russia stick, they're trying to make racist, racist, racist stick. >> the center of these stories is that they're trying to -- trump and friends, that's a good name for it. fox and friends even subjected this is a conspiracy, whenever trump had a few good news cycles, "the washington post" finds some new russia surprise. >> every time he gets on a roll, they come up with some type of russia limerick that we have to digest. >> terrific point. >> those talking heads should ask real reporters how this works. this kind of investigative reporting takes a lot of times, it's going to take many more months, but when there are new developments and there basically are every day. but these pros on trump completely tune it out and ignore it.

tommy laren gave us these scripts. >> how about when the main stream media stops covering russia day in and day out, maybe we can drop the hillary scandal but in the then , i'm going to stay on it. >> she's going to keep talking about clinton, as long as everybody else talks about russia. they just want the russia investigation to be over, maybe they just want to pretend the russia investigations are over. they don't want to know what really happened last year, and what might happen in future election, but eugene robinson wrote the bad thing about the russia thing keeps pouring in for trump. i'm sure you've seen some of these headlines from the past few days, i don't even have time to sum them all up. i want to give elizabeth drew the last word here.

she covered the knicnixon water now she's covering the trump presidency, and she sees a similarity between then and now. >> you used to hear people aren't interested in watergate, people aren't interested in russia, you people are just wasting you you are time, that means they're pretty worried about it. >> she's saying the dismissals mean they're actually worried about it. a journalistic first, a mother and daughter sharing to the story for the first time. but, you know how they send you money to cover repairs and - -they took forever to pay you, right? no, i got paid right away, but, at the very end of it all, my agent- -wouldn't even call you back, right? no, she called to see if i was happy, but, if i wasn't happy with my claim experience, for any reason... ...they'd give me my money back, no questions asked.

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journalism is a calling for the haberman family. maggie haberman of the "new york times" has dominated the trump beat. her own paper calls her "the

trump whit per sperer" for her frequent coverage. she comes from a family of journalists. as i recently sat down with maggie and her dad and ask what makes this media family tick? >> clyde, maggie, thanks for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> i am so interested in your journalism family. clyde, i'd love to know what it's been like for you the past year or so watching your maggie president trump, owning the trump beat. it must bring you absolute pride. >> i have still my "new york times" e-mail address, people send me e-mails trying to reach me. i'm now the mailman, among other things. no, it is quite extraordinary. here we were on page 1 together the other day. that was hell of a source of pride. couldn't resist tweeting -- i

assure you the social media influence of my daughter, i couldn't resist tweeting something about forgive papa pride about this, but we're both on page 1. within space of about 24 hours the number of my twitter followers increased by 1,800. again, it wasn't on my strength. it was her. >> i don't think that's true. >> when i saw you on page 1 together, i think it was the first time. in august. >> yes. >> i asked al siegel, our former standards editor who goes way back, he couldn't think of another parent/child combo like that. >> when i saw it i wanted to know what the secret to this journalism family was. maggie, what did you learn growing up from clyde when he was a foreign correspondent, and then a columnist at the "times"? >> he was very -- very heavily focused on the story always. one of the things -- he was -- when he was here he was overseas for several years when i was a child. when he was in new york city, he was the city hall bureau chief for the "times."

it was actually my first government job at the "new york post," i was at the city hall bureau. >> what do you think it is about all these habermans in journalism? >> lack of ambition. exactly. familiarity. i didn't actually want to be a journalist. i wanted to -- well, i didn't want to be a newspaper journalist. i wanted to go into magazines and i couldn't get a job after college so i started as a clerk at the "new york post," a copy kid. i really loved it. the energy at the "new york post" newsroom, especially in the '90s, was just remarkable. and i fell in love with it pretty much on the spot. i went to the "daily news," came back to the "post," then i went to politico and the "times." i met my husband at the "post." i think part of it is when you are in journalism, especially tabloid journalism in new york city, the number of people you meet outside of work is pretty small, and it is usually while you are covering a story because you are working constantly. so i attribute a lot of it to that. >> you have so many bylines right now, maggie. folks who read the "times" and read your work wonder how you

get it all done. did you learn about work/life balance, or lack thereof, from your dad? >> that's an interesting question. a delicate question. maybe a little bit. i mean i think that -- i don't really -- i do most things to extremes, and so i do work to extremes. my kids have gotten a little frustrated with it. i've been not as good about it recently, especially as you get older and you will discover as they get older it is a lot harder because they are aware of what's going on. i did the 2012 election pretty intensely with my colleague, alex burns. but my kids were much younger. and now they really are -- all three of them -- old enough to sort of see what's going on and be aware of it. and because national politics is so charged right now, a lot of kids at school are talking about it. they hear things at school and come home and ask me about it. i say to some extent i learned about -- >> especially when you were overseas. >> when i was overseas. one example -- maggie and her

brother, zach, were children from my first marriage. they would come visit me overseas summers, christmas vacations, so on. >> three months a year. >> when we were rome-based, for example, i had to run off to romania where there was a revolution. they overthrew the long-time communist dictator, nicolai ceausescu. i thought i would be there for a few days and make my way back to rome. it was just around christmas time and when this is when maggie and zach were coming to rome. i never made it home. they came, they left. this happened a lot. some version of it. that was extreme. but -- so, yeah. i mean to some degree, quite frankly, it amazes me that both of them, maggie and zach, went into journalism given that whatever negatives there were about being the child of a foreign correspondent, they bore it. i think there were many, many

positiv positives, mind you. >> there were positives. >> but there was also a negative side, including that i was off and disappeared for long stretches. >> i try to disappear as infrequently as possible but i do have to go to d.c. a fair amount of these days. so it's just figuring out how to make that all work. >> who is the better journalist here? you or maggie? >> what an unfair question. >> come on. he is. >> no. she is. >> he is. >> i am endlessly impressed by maggie's eminent fairness. she is -- first of all, she is under an incredible amount of pressure and under the gun all the time, and almost anything she writes is going to be attacked by somebody or another. that's just the nature of the game. but if you read her, if you listen to her, whether it's on a show like this or others, as she does, the fairness is the most important thing. i know she's a woman with opinions, but you're not going to really discern them very

easily in either her writing or her talking. and this is -- this is a talent that may be underrated by a lot of people. >> quick reminder here, you can listen to our entire conversation with clyde and maggie. really interesting conversation about the history of the "new york times," future of the "times," and much more at reliablesources.com. we've posted the entire interview in a podcast. check it out there. some breaking news now about our top story today. north korea saying it has tested its most powerful nuclear bomb yet. that announcement coming overnight on the east coast of the u.s. president trump now reacting to the news. he went to church this morning near the white house. he's marking the day of prayer that he announced to support victims of hurricane harvey. he's over at the church. he just left church a few minutes ago. he was asked by reporters to react to the latest news from north korea. i think we can go ahead and play

now the sound bite of what the president said. >> mr. president, will you attack north korea? >> his answer -- according to pool reporters, was, "we'll see." president trump's answer when asked if the u.s. will attack north korea. this comment in some ways calls to mind his promise of fire and fury a number of weeks ago. north korea now back in the news headlines because of this new bomb test. it was picked up by earthquake censors all around the world. this test apparently happening a number of hours aek. it is the sixth time north korea has conducted a nuclear test according to the measurement is the biggest test yet sending tremors across the region. apparently ten times stronger than past tests. now also in the past few minutes, we've heard from the japanese prime minister, shinzo abe. let's see if we can share those

comments with you. abe says he has had another phone call with president trump about the matter. he's also had a call with russian president vladimir putin. abe's message is that this was a reckless act by north korea. he apparently said to putin and to trump that this is something that has to be addressed with international determination and resolve. so the japanese prime minister shinzo abe responding just in the past few minutes. and the u.s. president trump reacting to a question from reporters there. we weren't expecting to see president trump on camera today. this is one of those situations where the press pool that normally sticks around the white house just in case of news, was called in, told he was heading to church. i was attending the church service to mark the national day of prayer supporting victims of hurricane harvey and the evacuees in the zbufl coagulf c region. at the end you see reporters shouted a question to him about the north korean action, about this latest bomb test. the response from the president, two simple words that will now

be asian-americnalyzed all day see" whether the u.s. intend to attack north korea. straight to state of the union up next talking about this development. hello, i'm dana bash in washington, where the state of our union is threatened. breaking news this morning, north korea claiming it successfully tested a hydrogen bomb, the sixth test of a nuclear weapon by the rogue nation and first since president trump took office. north korea state media is calling the test a, quote, perfect success. this comes just hours after a north korea released photos of kim jong-un observing what it says is a hydrogen bomb being loaded on to an intercontinental ballistic missile. president