ever. but there are indications this morning they may not be done. south korea says they have intelligence, observing activity right now that indicates north korea may be preparing to launch yet another ballistic missile. this could be everything from a submarine launch, intermediate range missile like the one they launched over japan last week or it could be an intercontinental ballistic missile like the two they tested in july. only this time south korea believes they will attempt to launch this missile toward the pacific ocean. they don't say where or know where. north korea has hinted at firing missiles in the u.s. territory of guam and they may be doing this by saturday, a major holiday, foundation day holiday in north korea. holidays are a time they like to show force. they conducted their fifth nuclear test. they've done their sixth nuclear test this year but may follow it up now with yet launching another missile, with kim

jong-un standing in front of what they claimed was a hydrogen bomb that could be placed on one of those missiles and launched in the direction of the united states. alisyn? >> south korea responding to north korea's threat, seoul signaling what they might do next. live in seoul for us, paula hancocks. what do you have for us, paula? >> this was a live fire drill. we saw this monday that involved fighter jets, surface-to-surface ballistic missiles. it was very visual and was intended to be visual. it was intended to send a message to north korea, showing a willingness to take out north korea nuclear assets and also to be able to take out the leadership if need be. a very clear threat to kim jong-un, saying this is what we are able to do. we also know that the south koreans are hoping that the u.s. will send more strategic

military assets. no word on whether they will, but they're hoping for aircraft carriers, for bombers, which they have done in the past. and anti-missile defense system, there were two launches in the country, very controversial in south korea. the government has now agreed to bring the full remaining ones n in, temporarily, but clearly showing they are concerned with the level of threat from north korea. on a political note there are concerns here after that tweet from u.s. president donald trump saying that south korea is using appeasement against north korea. there is confusion as well on the streets of seoul as to why donald trump is speaking twice in 24 hours to japan's leader and yet since that nuclear test happened has not yet once picked up the phone to south korea's president. that's something we're seeing playing out here in seoul. dave? >> certainly that is a curious situation. paula hancocks live for us in seoul. thanks. president trump and his national security team closely watching this situation. defense secretary james mattis

delivering a stern warning to north korea from the white house. live from pentagon with us this morning from the latest. barbara? >> no word yet from the pentagon on what the next steps might be, what the trump administration may decide to do about all of this from a military perspective. but president trump tweeting the economic perspective, a very thinly veiled message to china in the president's latest tweet where he said, and i quote, the united states is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with north korea. now, that may not be practical at all, economic experts will tell you when it comes to china, in fact, could have a very significant impact on the u.s. economy. on the military page, as you say, defense secretary james mattis delivering a warning outside the white house, very unusual for him to willingly come before tv cameras and speak. have a listen.

>> any threat to the united states or its territories, including guam or our allies, will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming. we are not looking to the annihilation of a country, north korea, but have the capability to do so. >> the trump administration trying to make it clear it's not looking for regime change. not looking for total overthrow of that country but looking for kim jong-un to change his mind. if he were to attack, they're trying to make it clear he must understand he and his leadership would not survive such an attack. alisyn, dave? >> barbara, thank you very much for all that have from the pentagon. joining us now to discuss it, entire rear admiral john kirby,

diplomatic analyst, press secretary. and david sanger, you have all sorts of new reporting on this over the weekend. what a stunning report to wake up to yesterday that it was possible that the north had, you know, detonated a hydrogen bomb stronger than the ones used in nagasaki. do we know that to be true? what are the details you know about this detonation? >> we don't know if it was a hydrogen bomb. it can be hundreds or a thousand times greater than the atomic bomb. what we do know about this explosion, it was four to 16 times greater than anything the north koreans had done before. and that would make it roughly four to 16 times greater than the kind of bomb the united states dropped on hiroshima in

1945. if they haven't gotten to a hydrogen bomb yet, they are well on their way. there are three or four stages on the way to getting to a hydrogen bomb. we have a fairly interesting graphic that's in "the times" today that would walk you through the steps. politically, i'm not sure it makes a difference. they've now shown they could destroy a very good size city and with these icbm launches they're trying to establish a case that they can actually reach some of those cities. that doesn't mean they've gotten to the last stage, which is fitting the weapon on to the warhead, the nose cone of the missile. they'll get there some point soon. clearly, the message here is that president trump and his team have a lot less time to deal with this than the intelligence community believed even a year ago.

>> and will ripley reports that we could have another test as soon as saturday. james mattis warned of massive military response. what does that look like? >> he's right, certainly capable of that. it would be obviously devastating not only to the peninsula, but probably to the region. and i think also you heard in secretary mattis' comments there there's no desire to end up going in that direction, that we're not seeking regime change, anihilation of north korea. he's speaking about military options in

. missiles, that was successful for a while. we've seen less evidence of success this year. there are diplomatic options. the president tweeted about one of them. you referred to it before. i don't think that that's possible china trade accounts for 4% of our gdp. fully thought through what the implications to the u.s. would be. there could be interceptions of ships and other transit in and out of north korea but that doesn't solve the problem of the overlying shipments of oil. there could be a complete energy cutoff. then, of course, there's the

effort to get north korea back into a diplomatic dialogue. right now, the north korean view seems to be build up the nuclear power until they're at the stage that roughly pakistan is at and then basically present it to the u.s. as a feta com plea. >> the president's rhetoric has had very little impact on the situation, whether it's locked and loaded. kim jong-un has proceeded along the same line. one thing that might have an impact is a tweet that president trump sent out about south korea. their talk of appeasement won't work. they only understand one thing. there's also talk about cutting off trade from south korea. how might that tweet read if you are kim jong-un? >> i think if you're kim jong-un, one way to read that is to think you're finally having effect on fractioning the u.s./south korea alliance.

i don't understand where the president's logic is here at all. i never understood the threats through his twitter account to china either. china is not going to be bullied into doing more and there is a real limit to what china can could. i agree they can do and should do more, but there is a limit on the kind of influence they have on pyongyang. tweeting this stuff out to south korea absolutely befuddles me. iron clad security commitments we have to meet to defend our south korean allies. while president moon jae-in is taking a different approach to his predecessor, it still pursues diplomatic options, some options that david just laid out, which i think there's still room for. it's self defeating. i don't see any logic in it. i'm troubled by the fact, as paula report aid while ago, that he hasn't talked to president moon over the course of the weekend in the wake of this most

recent test. we need the south koreans on our side. more importantly, they need to know we're on their side. >> david, this new, troubling development this morning there's news out that russia says it will or may boost -- it's considering boosting its missile presence in the north korean region to counterbalance the u.s. missile system. where does it stop? >> this is the downside of any kind of threat to bolster missile defense. we believe in our american way of looking at this whole thing, that we're putting in missile defenses to defend ourselves against north korea and we'll set aside for a moment how well those defenses work. some are pretty good and some are not very good. but when the chinese and the russians look at this, they believe it's cover for the united states to basically put in greater missile defenses against them. that's pretty ridiculous. the chinese and particularly the

russians have arsenals so large they could overwhelm american missile defenses very quickly if they needed to. it becomes an arguing point for them that the u.s. is increasing its presence in the pacific and gives them something to build up against. and it's one of the reasons that the diplomacy of this, as john just suggested, has to be handled so deftly. if you don't have russia and china along the way on whatever sanctions you do, whatever energy cutoffs you do, it's not going to work. >> gentlemen, thank you very much for your expertise on this this morning. u.n. security council convening another emergency session this morning on the north korea threat. is there a diplomatic solution? if pyongyang says they will never put their nukes and missiles on the table. we'll ask former u.s. ambassador bill richardson next. shocking arrest of a nurse for doing her job. that video going viral. she joins us to tell her side of

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and, as you heard, a military response if north korea threatens the u.s. or its allies. what is the best strategy today? joining us now, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and former governor of new mexico, bill richardson. thank you so much for being here. so great to be able to call upon your experience with north korea. can we start with james mattis' -- his quote there? i don't quite understand it. james mattis says if the north threatens guam or the u.s., there could be a big military response from the u.s. but the north koreans have threatened guam and the u.s. does secretary mattis means if north korea attacks guam or the u.s.? those threats have already happened. >> well, i thought what secretary mattis said was appropriate, after this potentially hydrogen bomb that was detonated. an act of defiance not just against the u.s. but china, too, their main supporter in the

region. i think the secretary had to say that, that there would be serious consequences, that there would be -- we have to protect our allies, that we have to stand behind our treaties and japan and south korea and guam. he had to say that because this is an act of extreme provocation. preemptive military strike is not our best option, is not realistic. some kind of diplomatic effort to deescalate the situation. the first step should be how can we deescalate this extreme tension that exists right now? >> governor, what's the answer to that? how can the u.s. deescalate anything at this point? >> well, a diplomatic dialogue of some kind. i think what we want to do is potentially try to freeze any kind of missile, nuclear

activity on the part of the north koreans. then the north koreans, i think the dialogue is what do they want in return, obviously. my view is that you're not rewarding bad behavior by talking to them. it doesn't mean you're going to do what they want us to do by having a dialogue. i just don't see an end game in the administration's strategy which involves diplomacy. but i do think that the national security team -- i like what general kelly has brought order in the white house, general mattis. i think they're putting out the diplomatic potential breakthrough by saying, look, you know, we're not going to take it if you continue this escalation. but there is a diplomatic option and you have to come forth. and this is where i think we are right now. >> listen, there's breaking news as well on this front. the south korean defense

minister has just said to his parliament, north korea has a nuclear warhead that is small enough for an icbm. so they believe, in their assessment -- south korea's assessment, this sixth nuclear test that happened this weekend. in other words, that they have successfully militarized this nuclear warhead and it will fit on the icbm. the north is threatening to conduct another intercontinental ballistic missile test this week. things are escalating there in terms of the timeframe so much more quickly than we had ever heard the north was going to be capable of. what happens today? >> well, what happens today is the first thing we need to do is cool down the rhetoric against our main ally in the region, south korea. you know, we shouldn't threaten abolishing the free trade agreement, the appeasement talk.

this is the way the south korean president was elected. he want aid dialogue with north korea, tried to stamp out corruption. this is his own internal politics. i think we have to stand behind south korea. i think a phone call from the president to the south korean president now is in order. that is the first step. we now go to the u.n. security council and try to test china one more time. we put sanctions on north korea that are pretty tough. coal, seafood, north korean workers. >> they didn't work n terms of deescalation, those sanctions do not appear to have worked. >> you know, they've only been on for a couple of weeks now. the next set would be oil and food. now, we will see if china or russia would veto that. i think they probably would. i think that china has reached the point where their influence on north korea is minimal. the north koreans have defied

china with this nuclear test also. this is why i believe you have to go to plan b. plan b is a diplomatic option. and plan b involves a dialogue. and plan b involves maybe getting new actors into the negotiations. that's what i believe needs to happen. we need to immediately deescalate what is going on. i do think what secretary mattis -- i do think what general kelly, they've brought order in the national security team. you have to respond to this provocation the way that mattis did. look, we're not going to tolerate this, but we're not necessarily for regime change. we don't want to annihilate you. what is it that you want? kim jong-un is somebody that is unpredictable but i don't believe he's suicidal or he's impractical to think that he can defeat the united states. i think there is an end game he

wants. problem is, we don't know what his end game s all these expert also come on and tell you this is what he wants. we don't know what he wants. i think he wants to stay in power. i think he wants to say he's the big guy in the region and lastly he wants the u.s. to deal with him. bilaterally. that's what he wants, in my view. >> governor, before we let you go, what are your thoughts on what president trump did this weekend in reference to the so-called dreamers, 800,000 young people brought to this country through no choice of their own? if there's not some sort of legislation passed to keep them here in the next six months, they will have to be deported. >> well, i'm disappointed if he's going to end the so-called daca legislation because it involves 800,000 young men and women that have contributed to america, that are patriopatriot. but we don't know what the end policy is going to be. apparently it's going to be announced tuesday. a lot of trial balloons are

floated before. my hope is that let's protect those 800,000 that already have the status. let's not change that. i hope that the program is not ended. the legality issue, i believe it is legal that president obama was acting on an executive order. in the end, you want protection for these kids. and maybe eventually congress, in a bipartisan way, can pass legislation. you really don't know what he's going to do until it's announced. there could be a lot of trial balloons but objective one is protect those 800,000. they've earned their status. they should be left alone. they should stay in america and with a status that they deserve. >> such a great point. even the white house has warned not to take anything as sort of confirmation until tuesday, when the president announces it himself. governor bill richardson, thank you so much for your thoughts on all of this.

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japan is one of the countries leading the diplomatic effort to stop north korea's nucle nuclear. part of the united nation's security council emergency meeting on north korea this morning. good morning to you, ambassador. >> good morning. >> what is your response to nuts that north koreans have miniaturized a nuclear warhead to fit on icbm? >> that was the announcement made by north korea. we will have to assess that. maybe south koreans came to that conclusion. we, in japan, have not made a firm conclusion on that. however the fact that they announced it is news and very worrisome one. >> you will be part of this emergency meeting. what's going to happen? take us behind the scenes. how does it work when the security council gets together

for an emergency meeting? >> first of all, one must remind oneself that less than a week ago we had this ballistic missile that went over japan. that, itself, is big news and we -- that is, security council came up with presidential statement, which strongly condemned north korea and told them to stop this kind of policy. >> it didn't seem to work. >> it was a policy statement from the u.n. security council which i should be loud and clear. long way to go before we can actually stop them finally. sanctions, yes, we have had some of them. most recent one was in early august. they haven't been fully implemented. so we need a little time. and we think that we need stronger pressure. in order for north korea to change its policy.

>> in the way of sanctions? >> yes. >> food, fuel? are you adding things to the list? >> i think that is the basic ide idea. >> is there a military option that japan can support? >> we haven't talked about military options. we've talked about going through the international community, security council. we do appreciate the fact that the u.s. administration, president trump has talked about every option being on the table. the alliance between the japan and united states is important and we appreciate the fact that the united states is right behind us. >> we're hearing breaking news right now that north korean state media is reporting that there is -- that the north has issued a series of new threats . secretary mattis came out and

said if the north were to threaten, make threats against guam or the u.s., we would ovl be able to act very strongly, militaristically -- militarily. he said i'm not talking about the annihilation of an entire country but obviously we would be capable of something like that. they respond by making threats to guam and the u.s. what should leaders -- i mean, what should the leader of japan, the u.s., south korea, should they all get together, all these presidents and prime ministers, and decide today how, as a tribunal, they should react to this? >> prime minister of japan and president trump spoke twice on the phone yesterday. there is close coordination. we do feel that north korea is coming to a situation where they need to be stopped now. we can't have any more wasted time.

we have to pressure them, make them feel if they go down this road there will be consequences and, of course, we need to have their okay on board as well. >> what can be done? >> in response to recent sanction resolutions they have done a lot. >> have they done enough? >> i think it's not just question of china but enough mandate to all these countries in the world to do a lot. but china is most important. they account for 90% of the trade to north korea. we hope they will implement what's been decided upon most

recently. i'm sure they can make a lot of difference. >> we'll be watching closely what happens at this emergency meeting. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. thanks. >> so this video has gone viral. it's utah nurse who was arrested, she says, just for doing her job. she is here to tell us her side of the story, next. one laugh, and hello sensitive bladder.

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confrontation between salt lake city utah police and a nurse has been caught on camera. to get a blood sample from an unconscious patient involved in a deadly car accident. that's when alex wubbels

explained she could not allow that based on the hospital's policy. look what happened next. >> this is something that you guys agreed to with this hospital. three things that allow us to do that are if you have an electronic warrant, patient consent or patient under arrest and neither of those things -- the patient can't consent. he has told me repeatedly that he doesn't have a warrant and the patient isn't under arrest. i'm just trying to do what i'm supposed to do. that's all. >> okay. so i take it without those in place, i'm not going to get blood? is that -- am i fair to surmise that? >> nurse wubbels had an administrator on the phone to further explain, and this happened moments later. >> why are you blaming the messenger, sir? >> she is the one who has told me no. >> you're making a huge mistake right now. you're making a huge mistake

because you're threatening a nurse. >> alex wubbels joins us now, along with her attorney, cara porter. ladies, we're happy to have you here. we're not even showing the most dramatic video. you said you couldn't do it because of policy. the officer wanted you to draw the patient's blood. he wasn't taking no for an answer. then this happened. [ screaming ] >> stop! stop! >> alex, how did it get to that point? >> i have no idea. i can't speak for officer payne what i can say is that i stood my ground. i stood for what was right, which was to protect the patient. as a nurse, any nurse, i think, would have done exactly what i did. >> did the officer explain -- you were arrested. you're being handcuffed. >> right. >> did he explain why he was arresting and handcuffing you?

>> not to my knowledge. i just -- i knew that i was doing what i was -- what was right, what was offered to me by a policy that i trusted and i believed to be lawful. >> so, what was going through your head while all this was happening? >> i was scared to death. obviously i was very frightened. and i think since this has happened, i've been able to sort of surmise that i feel betrayed. i feel betrayed by the police officers. i feel betrayed by my university police and security. >> why do you feel betrayed by your hospital security? >> because i called them. i went down into the emergency department to get help, to have someone protect me because i felt unsafe from officer payne from the beginning. >> and why is that? why were you feeling immediately unsafe with him? >> he was aggressive from the beginning. as a nurse, it's my job to assess a situation, to assess a patient. and my assessment skills led me to believe that officer payne was already agitated.

he had already stormed off in disapproval when i originally told him that he couldn't do this on the unit itself. >> what were you saying? we heard bits and pieces of it. was he saying something to you that crossed the line? >> initially i explained to him three things, unless the patient was under arrest i needed to have an electronic warrant and there was no family and the patient could not consent for himself. and i said i'm sorry. and he said you're not sorry and got very upset. and that was sort of the thing that triggered, this guy's -- this is not okay. >> when you called your own hospital security, how did they respond? >> by just standing there, looking at their phones, telling me that they couldn't protect me. >> cara, is there any legal grounds that this officer had for arresting alex? >> none. he kept saying, you know, the patient, you know, has given implied consent, essentially, just by driving in utah. but the law that the officer

purported to be relying on clearly didn't apply because the officer admitted there was no probable cause and utah's implied consent law specifically requires probable cause. >> was the backstory here that this was -- he thought this was a drunk driving accident and he wanted to take the driver's blood to see if there was alcohol in it? is that what this is about? >> no. >> why was he so determined to have this driver's blood? >> i'm not sure. it's my understanding that his watch command also instigated some of this and you can see the watch commander, officer tracy, talking to me in the latter half of the video. >> saying what? what is their rationale for this? >> they had none. they just said that they needed to take the blood and there were civil remedies and, you know, if they were doing something illegal it was like the fruit of the poisonous tree, and basically they were just -- once i realized it, i thought these guys don't have any -- they are

going to get what they want, no matter what. >> so this video that we're watching, this is the officer's body cam. is that right? >> yes. >> and this all happened july 26th? >> correct. >> so more than a month ago? >> yes. >> why now has it just been released? >> i feel pretty strongly in just having sort of a good, strong ability to stand up without emotion and i needed to afford myself some time to feel okay and to be able to talk pragmatically about the situation without the emotion. i completely understand the country at this point, since it's a national thing, the country is still dealing with, that i have been able to have dealt with and i'm still dealing with. >> in other words, you were able to get body cam video? >> yes. >> you got your hands on it legally. you're allowed to have this? >> correct. >> you waited until you felt that you were together enough to talk about it? >> correct. >> why? what has this last month been

like to you? >> it's been tough. one of the other reasons we went forward is we made sure that the body cam was available. we wanted to see what it was that was on there. we spoke with salt lake city police department. our initial meeting, the chief of police apologized to me personally and i accepted his apology. >> deputy chief of police. >> sorry, deputy chief of police. >> what did he say to you? >> he said this should never have happened. i agreed with that. we started making conversation about how to prevent this from happening ever again. unlike a conversation we had a week later with the university police and university security, who, after about a 45-minute conversation, still had not apologized. when i brought it up, continued to defend their officers and i just didn't feel like that was appropriate. >> cara, what are her legal remedies, if any? >> she has a lot of legal remedies. but, obviously, there's the possibility of a lawsuit if that becomes necessary. >> against the officer?

>> well, against the city, the officers, the university police. you know, there are quite a few. >> when you say if it becomes necessary, what are you going to hinge that on? what are you waiting for? >> i think we're going to give everyone involved an opportunity to do the right thing without having to be dragged into court to do it. >> and what would the right thing look like, alex? >> well, right now, i'm trying to formulate that. right now my mission is to reeducate. as officers and health care workers we have to work together on behalf of our citizens, our fellow -- our friends, the people we live with. if we're going to have that dialogue and team work and camaraderie, we have to come to the table and have appropriate dialogue. >> you are starting that today by speaking out about this. >> thank you. >> and everything we've seen. best of luck. obviously, we'll follow your case very closely. alex, thank you very much. dave? >> very compelling, ali.

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bakari, it starts with congratulations and ends by saying know we stand ready to help in any ways which we can. let's turn back the clock to donald trump's fuel, rise in politics built on questioning barack obama's birthplace, his campaign, based on wiping away his legacy. how difficult do you think this letter was to write, bakari? >> i don't think it was difficult at all for the 44th president of the united states. what we saw during the transition process was a man who held the office in great esteem, in high esteem. no matter who the president-elect was at the time, whether or not it was hillary clinton or donald trump, he wanted to make sure that he was doing his job as an outgoing president. what we see is something that many of us miss. when you read the letter, you see someone who was very thoughtful, very deliberate, someone who set aside partisan politics and just upheld the fundamental tenets of our democracy and the office of the

presidency. so, i was very pleased. i will say this. barack obama is a better man than i. somebody who attacks your heritage that way and questions your birth, you then sit down and shake his hand and say you want to make sure that he can be the best possible president. my hat's off to the 44th president. >> and to the transition of power. jack, let's touch on these pieces of advice. first, talked about how they both had been blessed. it's up to us to do everything we can to build more ladders of success for every child and family that's willing to work hard. second, touches on american leadership in this world and how it is indispensable. perhaps noting that the isolationist talk of the campaign. and thirdly, jack, we are just temporary occupants of the office, warns the president to guard transitions of rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties. which, if any of these pieces of advice, has president trump followed in office? >> well, actually, i'm glad that he's not listening to barack

obama's interpretation of rule of law. all i can think about is lois lerner and the irs scandal. i think about them, colin james rosen, fox reporter, flight risk and surveilling him illegally. i think about hillary clinton's pay for play shenanigans at the state department under barack obama. and i think of fast and furious. if that's the rule of law under barack obama, i'm glad that president trump is not listening to it. >> does firing the acting fbi director for not killing the russia investigation fall under protecting the rule of law, jack? >> well, number one, the president can fire anybody at any time, as you know. and, number two, we don't know why he fired comey, based on that speculation. we do know based on the rosenstein letter why he fired him, because of his incompetence. and apparently now we know he was lying under oath when he said he cannot write the

conclusion that hillary clinton was innocent before the investigation. we now have evidence that shows that he did not have -- 17 eyewitnesses had not been interviewed when he started drafting the letter, saying she was innocent. >> we know this, bakari. there was a letter that was not published from the president and stephen miller cited they were firing james comey because he was not publicly clear the president and say he was not under investigation. when i mentioned those three pieces of advice, rule of law is one. separation of powers is another. john mccain took to "the washington post" to warn the president, to tell him directly that senators do not work for him. do you think he's following the advice laid out in this letter? >> well, i think regardless of what jack kingston says or the talking points that many times we hear on fox news, you know, the president was eight years scandal free. >> scandal free? fast and furious? >> he and his entire -- >> irs and lois lerner?

>> he and his entire family. we go to the heart of this letter -- >> eric holder. >> laid out some very practical guidelines that would guide not just a republican president but democratic president as well and anybody in between. the answer to your question, i'm not sure that donald trump has read the letter. if he has read the letter it's apparent he hasn't taken that to heart. eight months where this white house has been consumed with scandal and palace intrigue. this is exactly what we did not have under obama. >> jack, hang on a second. i do have to say cnn reporting suggests he shows this to several visitors to the oval office, is very proud and cherishes this letter. i want to ask you about the first piece of advice, though. he says it's up to us to do everything we can to build more ladders of success for every child and family that's willing to work hard. it's been reported also by politico that if president trump kills the dreamers program that that will be the one thing that gets president obama to speak out against trump on facebook

and perhaps on twitter. was he talking in that first bit of advice about the dreamers act? >> i don't know, because when we talk about rule of law and separation of power, certainly that would mean that executive orders should not be necessary, that you should let the legislative branch come up with major changes in the law of immigration. as you know, there are nine attorneys general right now who are suing the department of justice because of the illegal dreamers act, the daca deferrals that president obama did. so if we're talking about rule of law, you know, you've got to let the legislative bravenlg do the law making. >> long way to go before they fall that dreamer situation for those 800,000 here in this country. jack kingston, bakari sellers, thank you both. >> well, dave -- >> we're about out of time. before we go, i read this terrific book. i need to you sign my copy.

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good monday morning, everybody. i'm poppy harlow. glob response to a global threat. north korea's biggest and underground nuclear test represents a new dimension of threat with the full world at risk. u.n. security council will meet for the second time in a week, in an emergency session, while south korea warns that yet another north korean missile test appears to be in the works. for its part, south korea has carried out live missile drills and plans more and has signed off on the full deployment of u.s. defensive missile launch pads. president trump is not ruling out a preventative strike. that has set off a new round of threats from north korea