>> we've kicked the can down the road long enough. there is no more road left. >> the president writing that appeasement with north korea will not work, they only understand one thing, and defense secretary mattis weighing in, with the soothing reassurance that the united states is not yet prepared to totally annihilate the north. the question is, does all this ring hollow after so much similar talk not even a month ago? >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury, like the world has never seen. >> so the rhetoric has not changed, but the stakes sure have, and some of the president's response so far has been to scold south korea and threaten a trade war with china. but we begin with his outreach to allies, including south korea. sarah murray joins us with that. what are we learning about those

calls? >> reporter: the white house is making clear that all options are on the table when it comes to north korea. that's after the president spoke with angela merkel of germany and the president of south korea, president moon. the two world leaders agreed that south korea should possess more powerful military weapons and the u.s. would be willing to sell them billions in weaponry and equipment. from there -- sorry, from there, we have seen this tone change from the president day-to-day. it was just yesterday that he put that tweet out insisting that south korea was trying to appease north korea and it was sure to be a failed strategy. a pretty clear indication that even as president trump is evaluating america's options, he is still hoping to put pressure on u.s. allies to step up when it comes to curbing north korea's provocation. >> sarah murray for us at the white house. we've heard the president say all options are on the table.

what military options are realistically on the table? barbara starr is "outfront." >> reporter: this live fire exercise by south korean forces, a direct military response to the north's largest nuclear test. army and air forces simulating an attack on north korea's nuclear test site. even if north korean state media issued new threats to the u.s., including guam, one editorial saying every time the u.s. goes crazy talking about sanctions and war, our will of vengeance will become 100 and 1,000 times stronger. u.n. ambassador nikki haley very much in the hardline mode, backing kim. >> his abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show that he's begging for war. war is never something the united states wants. we don't want it now. >> reporter: pushing defense

secretary james mattis to exactly where he never wants to be, center stage at the white house. >> any threat to the united states or its territories, including guam, or our allies, will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming. >> reporter: but are there credible military options without thousands of casualties? >> i think secretary mattis was doing was simply trying to convince the north that we have this option, and they cannot be certain we would never use it under certain circumstances. >> reporter: it may be the most critical decision ever for donald trump. >> how much of a price we are willing to pay, how much we are willing to bleed to accomplish our objectives. this is a decision not for military members.

this is a decision for elected political leaders to make. and they always have to weigh the cost versus the benefit. >> reporter: short of u.s. attack, the pentagon could send an aircraft carrier offshore, the "ronald reagan" is nearby. more bombers could sent. south korea and japan both upping their missile defenses in cooperation with the u.s. some u.s. military assets could move in the days ahead, closer to the korean peninsula. nothing has been announced yet. but the bottom line remains this, would any of it convince kim jong-un to change his mind about proceeding with his weapons program? the betting money, it won't change his mind. john? >> barbara starr for us at the pentagon. thank you so much. democratic congressman jerry conley is a member of the house foreign affairs committee. thank you for being with us. ambassador nickly haley says that kim jong-un is begging for war. do you think that's the case? >> well, it's certainly a risk that he's taking.

but you know, backing up a little bit, i don't think her comments or those of donald trump are helpful at all. in fact, clearly they are backfiring. they are pushing kim jong-un to accelerate his nuclear and missile development programs. we need a different strategy. inflammatory rhetoric, fire and fury, looks today more like fecklessness and failure. i just don't -- i'm stunned at how inept the diplomatic effort has been thus far in the trump administration. although maybe i shouldn't be, since barely any diplomacy capability left from the state department. >> so what should have nikki haley said today? what words should she have used that she didn't use? >> i think we have to have a whole bunch -- the threat certainly stays on the table of a military option. but i don't think many people take that seriously, because of

the consequences on the peninsula in the south as well as the north and in japan. i do think what's missing is a carrot. there are things the north korean regime desperately would like. recognition, admission, inclusion, trade investment opportunities. we may dangle those out. there has to be a carrot along with a stick. >> is that not rewarding them for their provocations? >> no, no. look, we followed this model successfully for what we want, not what they want. we did this for iran and it worked. iran rolled back its nuclear development program with a series of carrots and sticks, including some relief on sanctions. if you don't have carrots, then the only thing left is the stick. and does anyone, including kim jong-un, really think we're ready to go to armageddon tomorrow? >> the issue with kim jong-un, and let me put it in the

president's words because he put this on twitter, he said the u.s. has been talking to north korea and paying them extortion money for 25 years. talking is not the answer. he's not wrong that the u.s. in different ways has been in discussions with north korea for a very long time. longer than 25 years. a whole lot of presidents have had strigs administrations in discussions with north korea. sanctions have been tried and during that time, north korea has tested a ton of missiles, and six nuclear weapons. 108 missiles, 28 this year alone, and now six nuclear weapons. so talking hasn't done anything, at least not yet. so why would -- go ahead. >> john, that's a little bit of revisionist history. when we were talking and engaging and relieving some of the sanctions under bill clinton, they rolled back and froze their nuclear development program. it wasn't without effect.

i'm not saying carrots alone will make this go away. and we may be beyond the point of no return, because he is so close getting what he wants. why would he give it up for any reason? but you have to remember, seoul is a suburb of the demilitarized zone, about 30, 35 miles away. so the use of nuclear weapons to stop them in the north would spill over into china in the north and south korea in the south in devastating ways. and japan would not be unaffected either. so is that a realistic option for us? and i don't think -- the man that really matters in answering that question is kim jong-un. and i don't believe he takes it as a credible threat. >> thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. up next, north korea claims it tested a hydrogen bomb, much more powerful than the atomic

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welcome back to a special edition of "outfront." strong warning from north korea after it conducts its sixth nuclear test over the weekend. ambassador nikki haley urging the u.n. to seek the strongest sanctions possible to punish kim jong-un whom she says is "begging for war." says h >> his abusive use of missiles and nuclear threats show that he is begging for war. war is never something the united states wants. we don't want it now. but our country's patience is not unlimited. >> "outfront now," a former pentagon press secretary john kirby, also a retired rear admiral from the navy, and former cia operative bob baer. admiral, kim jong-un is "begging for war." a, is he? and b, are those smart words to use? >> i don't think it's very clear that he's begging for war, and i don't know based on what she's citing is the evidence of his

tests that's what he wants. most analysts will say he believes the united states is an existential threat and having a nuclear weapons program helps protect him. that's the conventional thinking. so i don't think she's accurate the way she put that. number two, no, i don't think that was wise. all that is doing is escalating the rhetoric. we've already had enough of that. what we need now is to move forward on meaningful diplomatic solutions here. sanctions are important. i'm glad they're going to pursue additional sanctions. there's room here to get back to the negotiating table. kim jong-un has a program that's moving at a fast clip, faster than most people thought it would. but we could do a better job working with china to see if china could try to get some sort of negotiations at some level going again. >> bob baer, what's the impact of the war of these tough wards as nikki haley followed on the summer of fire and fury from the

president, what impact do these words have on kim jong-un and could he ever back down because of them? >> well, john, threatening the north koreans has never worked, it never will. this is a culture that is basically face saving. it's just going to -- as john said, they look at the united states as an existential threat and kim jong-un right now is wonder wlg we aing whether we a to initiate a war. if we get to the point, he might strike first against seoul or whatever target he can hit. we don't know what his capabilities are now. but the last thing you want to do is push the north koreans into a corner, because you could have an accident and a full-on war. >> you don't think, bob, the u.s. would ever be safe to assume that kim jong-un would not use a hydrogen bomb? >> i think he would use it, you

know, if he thought he were under threat and the regime was going to go down. you have to remember that north korea is in effect a thetheocra. the kim family is key to that family's survival. if we did an attempted assassination or regime change, they would strike back in every way they could. the north koreans -- i've operated against them. they're a very formidable enemy. i agree with john, you want to go into diplomacy and the last thing you want to do is threaten the chinese by going after trade. it's crazy. >> let me just -- bob makes a really important point. president trump keeps minimizing his own decisions. every time he talks about fire and fury and military options,

but bob makes a good point. you're helping close down pyongyang's decision space. one of the things we aught to try to preserve is the maneuver space there, as well. >> admiral, let me ask you about one of the military decisions. the defense secretary in south korea said he's willing to review plans to bring back american tactical nuclear weapons to south korea. the last ones were removed decades ago. do you see that as a realistic option? >> i don't, john. he was speaking a little you have the cuff. they sort of put it back in the box and said there's no change to our policy about a de-nuclearized peninsula. i don't see that as a viable option. >> bob baer, let me ask you the risk to the world that another actor, a new actor appears to have a hydrogen bomb. what are the possible side effects of this?

>> well, we may have to accept the possibility that north korea has become a nuclear armed country with a deterrence and ability to attack. it may be too late for that. diplomacy has failed along the way. we've obviously made mistakes. and there's not much we can do. this is a very tough regime, and they are -- will not hesitate to go to war if they think it will contribute to their survival in some form. we may look at that as regime. kim jong-un killed his half brother with a weapons of mass destruction in an international airport. so don't underestimate these people. >> bob baer, admiral kirby, thanks so much. up next, if the president tomorrow puts the dream act on hold, how does that square with his promise to treat the dreamers with heart? breaking news. florida braces for hurricane irma. that happens as texans recover

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welcome back to a special labor day edition of "outfront." president trump is expected to announce that he's ending daca, the program projecting undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. as children. washington post national political reporter at-bat by phillips, david drucker, and cnn national political reporter may.

abby, i think the fact that we don't know exactly what the president is going to say tomorrow colors this discussion a great deal, correct? because he could come out tomorrow and he could say, i'm setting this deadline six months from now, but i want legislation. i'm going to work for legislation. i want these 800,000 dreamers to stay, and i want them to stay badly. it depends how he frames it, doesn't it? >> that's right. the reality is, we know this has been an issue that he's been very personally torn by. but it's partly about keeping a campaign promise, and also about setting the wheels in motion for congress to do something. i think the reality for a lot of dreamer advocates is that the daca program has always been in danger. the best solution has always been for congress to codify in some way, and trump can show some leadership here and say hey, you know, i'm setting a

six-month window here for you guys to do something. here's what i would like to see you do. i'm not sure that we really knows where he's going to land on that, whether he is going to signal to his base whether he wants to be tough on dreamers, or what he said repeatedly, that he wants to have heart for these young people who were brought here at no fault of their own. >> you want to get a sense of the pressure from the so-called base, let me read you some that congressman steve king wrote, he said ending daca now gives chance to restore rule of law. delaying it so republican leadership can push amnesty is republican suicide. so you see the pressure the president night face from a certain wing of his party. >> sure. the president is going to get it from both sides. there are some republicans that want to codify daca and always believed that you should do something about the dreamers. then you have republican hardliner where is immigration

hawks and they hook at anything like this as a form of amnesty and will oppose it. the real interesting part is the fact that if it's as reported that the president is ending daca, which was always constitutionally questionable, but giving a six-month window before he implements the end of the program, what he's saying is i'll sign a bill. even if he doesn't lead on trying to get a bill passed the finish line, he's saying i'll give you six months. the interesting thing is, john, with president obapq in office, given the tricky politics for republicans on immigration, it was always difficult unless they had a majority of their majority supporting anything to send a bill to obama because of all that meant in the primaries. so exactly what are the conditions under which it's acceptable for paul ryan and

mitch mcconnell to allow a bill to go forward, including with democratic votes, and get something to the president? this is something that is a whole new sort of playing field for republicans on immigration. if you have somebody like trump who is willing, at least theoretically, to sign a bill. >> one real problem here, may, is that there are 800,000 people who are being used to some extent as pawns in this political game here. if you were one of these dreamers, you don't know for certain that congress will pass this. congress has not passed plenty of things, and it seemed almost certain that it would pass, and then what happens to you? >> in places like california where i've been out talking to some of these dreamers, that's such a sense of fear and uncertainty. you have legal groups that feel overwhelmed and like they don't have enough funding to help getting legal advice to some of the other dreamers. there is a great sense of uncertainty. and also frustration among

democratic leaders, you know, the mayors of big cities around the country, that if congress were to not pass the bill here, that they wouldn't have a lot of practical options to protect these dreamers. and that's going to be a really interesting thing to watch. a lot of them are out there talking, trying to put pressure on the president, even republican congressman here in california who are vulnerable in 2018, trying to get the president to, you know, to really support a daca bill. so it will be really interesting to see what the political impact is. that's a huge down side for republicans if they can't get something through. >> let me just remind you of where president trump and candidate trump has been on this issue. he's sort of been everywhere. let's mplay some of the sound. >> we will immediately terminate president obama's two illegal

executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants. we always talk about dreamers for other people. i want the children that are growing up in the united states to be dreamers also. they're not dreaming right now. it's a very, very tough subject. we're going to deal with daca with heart. >> with heart. and abby, we know that jared kushner and ivanka trump are pushing him hard to deal with daca with heart. paul ryan is, as well. he is facing pressure to be careful here. >> and let's just remember, the principle behind daca is very popular. the american people by and large do not believe that the right thing to do is to deport the nearly 1 million people or more who were brought here as children and who are existing in the united states without any sort of legal status. what i think is interesting

about where we are in this debate is for many years, under the obama era, this daca debate was about the executive overreach and to some extents among democrats, about what to do with the daca kids. do we push for citizenships or green cards? my sense where we are right now is that democrats, you would probably find nearly 100% of democrats in both chambers voting in favor of any daca measure that gives these kids certainly, whether that's something slightly short of citizenship or otherwise. i think that's a different dynamic than we've had here. you know, it will be whether mitch mcconnell or paul ryan want to go along with that. but they can conceivably use some republicans and the vast majority of democrats to push something over the line which is a different dynamic over the obama years. that's new to the trump era. >> you've seen some surveys even

among trump voters, numbers as high as 73% of them supporting, allowing daca kids to stay in the country. there is a huge downside potentially for trump. >> which is why the words he chooses to use tomorrow will be so crucial. all right. thanks so much. i think also former president obama talks about this, as well. next, strong words from the russia probe from a former senator who ran the 9/11 investigation in congress. why he thinks his colleagues may be setting themselves up for trouble. and the chances that hurricane irma could bring a harvey punch to florida and up the eastern seaboard. on your homeowners insurance too? great! geico can help insure our mountain chalet! how long have we been sawing this log? um, one hundred and fourteen years. man i thought my arm would be a lot more jacked by now. i'm not even sure this is real wood.

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welcome back. you're watching a special edition of "outfront." congress is back tomorrow, and both the house and senate intelligence committees are expected to commit closed door interviews with high ranking members of the trump campaign, or at least officials connected to president trump, including donald trump, jr. former senator bob graham was the democratic co-chair of the joint congressional inquiry to the september 11 attack. senator, you wrote an op-ed where you have deep concerns how the house and senate intelligence committees are handling this. one of your biggest concerns seemed to be you think there's a very real possibility that robert mueller will not be

allowed to finish his investigation. >> i don't know what the odds are that he won't be able to finish the investigation, but it seems as if every time he gets a little bit closer to the core of the issue of russian involvement, that creates a flurry of activity that may be interpreted that he's under threat of being casheered. my position is if that happens, the full responsibility for the investigation into what is an unprecedented attack on american democracy is going to fall on the congress. and i don't think the congress is very well prepared to accept that responsibility. so my op-ed urged that the congress get more competent staff for this particular type of investigation. be sure that they're going to have access to all the records that have been assembled when

mr. comey and now mr. mueller were running the department of justice investigation. and then all of that be done with a sense of urgency, that we get this information completed, out to the american public, as rapidly as possible. >> create a backstop you think in case the mueller investigation is somehow called off. you talk about the staffing issues. you don't think that the committees are sufficiently staffed to hand it will investigations right now. how about what they have done so far, how would you grade their performance, these committees? >> i would say unknown or incomplete, because there's been so little information made available to the public as to just where their investigation is at this time. my concern is that when we investigated 9/11, the first decision was to merge the house and the senate so that there was not any appearance of competition or conflict between the two houses. and then we hired an independent

staff under an excellent, very professional director. and with that, we were able, i think, to do a deep, thorough, and very persuasive inquiry to what happened on 9/11. i don't see those elements being in place now. the inquiry into the russian meddling in our election. >> do you think there needs to be an end date here? do you think end of the year is realistic? should they push to get it done by that date? >> i think they should get it done as quickly as possible. and to do a thorough inquiry that will have the confidence and support of the american people that this is the truth and we can rely on that in terms of whatever policy decisions will flow from the inquiry into russian meddling. >> how do you think the

president has behaved so far vis-a-vie the various investigations? >> i think this is just another example as your previous segment on daca, where the branches of government are not working well together. yes, we believe in the theory of controlling tyrannical government by dividing responsibility among the three branches. but the three branches still must have a level of respect for each other and for themselves. and i don't think that's been very apparent in the way in which the daca issue has been handled. and certainly not in this russian meddling case. >> bob graham, a lot of advice to the current members of congress. thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you very much. next, we do have breaking news. a state of emergency declared in florida. the latest on hurricane irma, which could be headed that way. and in texas, the mother and child reunion after harvey and

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cnn's tom sater in the weather center. give us the latest. >> the 5:00 p.m. advisory it became a category four, but in the last few hours it strengthened another 10 miles an hour. it is stronger than harvey. we saw the devastation there. only a handful of storms have been this strong for the lesser antilles since the satellite era began. it has its eyes on the caribbean and the south eastern u.s. six to nine foot storm surge, heavy amounts of rain for puerto rico. a state of emergency. the center looks like it stays over water for the most part. throughout the week we'll see some deviation to the north or south. we may see some fluctuations in the strength. it kaerls carries it as a catege to the northern coast of cuba. come friday night we expect the trend to turn north ward. if that occurs, it depends on the timing of when the turn to

the right occurs of who will have a landfall, in florida or carolinas and at what time. let me show you a computer model. we will put the european and u.s. back to back, on top of each other. you wand to see them trending together. that gives you confidence. there's always a spread in the end, but not much here. this is sunday afternoon near west palm, miami. now let's take a look at, of course, monday, which is september 11th. both systems bring it up into the southeast with a landfall here, but it could be anywhere, john. we are hoping for a small window to keep it off-shore, but that window is closing quickly. it looks like a major category three, four or possibly five next weekend. >> some ugly models tonight. thanks so much. hurricane harvey, of course, destroyed homes, up ended lives, forced families and friends to be separated. after one hospital was shut down in the aftermath, some newborns were transported to other facilities. their parents frantically worried about when they would re-yu night. now though some families are

breathing a sigh of relief. elizabeth cohen is out front. >> baby gonzales bornd ten weeks early, so fragile. her parents so worried. then on friday they were separated. the five-week-old had to be air lifted out of baptist hospital in beaumont, texas because the hospital had no clean water. >> i just broke down. to think that i couldn't see her, knowing she was going to get on the helicopter without us. i got really emotional. it was really heartbreaking. >> reporter: martha suente and angel gonzales couldn't follow their baby to galveston medical, 120 miles away. >> we didn't know when we would see her again. thank god everything cleared on the roads so we were able to make it the next day. >> reporter: on saturday they were reunited with their baby. angel, do you remember how you

felt when you first saw your daughter back here in galveston? >> yes. it is almost like i seen her again for the first time. i was real happy. i got to see her again. >> reporter: her parents are among the lucky ones. let me introduce you to some of the other beaumont babies. this little boy, born seven weeks early. now this little girl right here, she was born 12 weeks early. this boy, he couldn't breathe on his own when he was born. all of these babies survived the flight from beaumont to galveston, but their parents can't come see them because they can't get out of beaumont. eight babies in all life flighted to safety. dr. joan richardson, head of pediatrics at utmb took the babies in. >> they were asleep. they were very happy. they could have cared less that they had been in a helicopter. >> reporter: the neonatal doctor who flew with the babies from beaumont has stayed with them every step of the day.

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"the reagan show." it features never-before seen footage providing what president reagan was like behind the scenes. here is a clip as he prepares for something to air in the evening. >> good evening, this is president ronald reagan. i got no history books over there. i'm pleased to speak to you on the occasion -- >> are you okay? >> good evening. this is ronald reagan, president of the united states of america. i'm pleased to speak to you on the occasion of the new year. on behalf of the american people, i wish you all a happy and healthy new year. let's work together to make it a year of peace. there is no better goal for 1986 or for any year. >> poignant words, especially tonight. out front doug brinkley, author of "the reagan diaries" and anne

compton. anne, let me start with you. let's start with the subject of nuclear weapons because we have been talking so much about north korea. president reagan dealt with the soviet union and nuclear disarmament. president trump dealing with north korea and its nuclear weapons now. what are the similarities and differences? >> the differences are so striking. ronald reagan came to power during the cold war at a time when the soviet union was huge and had a mighty, mighty nuclear force, as did the united states. but it was a government where relations weren't great, but at least you could talk to them. president trump, who has had far less government experience than president reagan did, is now dealing with a leader in north korea who is so unpredictable and hasn't responded to any of the sanctions and the other diplomatic things. so it is a different time and they're two very different presidents. >> and doug brinkley, you know, president reagan, though he had been an actor a long time before, came into office with very set views about how you

felt about the soviet union. i'm not so sure that president trump came in with quite a similar background when it comes to north korea. >> not at all. i mean donald trump likes to kind of kiss the ring of vice president-elect pence. ronald reagan would never reduce himself to such a thing as kissing the ring of slad myrrh putin. you have in great britain, theresa may doesn't like donald trump. in the '80s margaret thatcher adored ronald reagan. pope john paul ii collaborated with reagan and romania and poland to promote freedom. you have donald trump rue fusing to cooperate with pope francis on climate change. reagan was a global player who had many, many friends. trump is more isolationist and likes to go it alone. >> nevertheless though, there are people who do like to make the comparison.

they're both -- you know, both have entertainment in their background right now. listen to mike pence, vice president of the united states, how he compared the two. >> i have a sense of this man. i have a sense of his heart. i have a sense of his hands-on style of leadership. for all of the world he reminds me of ronald reagan. ronald reagan achieved great things in his life and his career, a movie star, a celebrity, a governor of the great state of california, but he never lost the common touch, did he? >> anne compton, what do you make of that comparison? >> well, there are -- it is really intriguing when you think over the span of 35 years, the two oldest men to become president both share that television experience in early life, but ronald reagan and donald trump came to office at a time when the media landscape of america was changing to their advantage, each of them. ronald reagan, a master at

television. we saw a lot of him. he went directly to the american people and in addresses from the oval office. ronald reagan live every week. donald trump came to office at a time when he harnessed one of the social media outlets, twitter, unfiltered and uses it. what is really different about the two of them is ronald reagan needled the press a lot, treated us as a foil sometimes, but he wasn't afraid of the press and he didn't hate the press. donald trump has demonized the press and called us enemies of the american people. two very different approaches. >> the other thing, doug, is that ronald reagan -- you know, president trump was new to politics, he just was. ronald reagan spent two decades at the center of american politics before he became president. >> exactly. i mean as governor of california in the 1960s we got to watch ronald reagan in action. some people didn't like him, but everybody knew he was a good governor, that he was competent.

we could look at his managerial style. he would be very flexible. the big thing is reagan was a conservative, but he also wanted to be seen as a pragmatic conservative. so he did things to promote wilderness and the environment at different things. i mean just look at ronald reagan and immigration and the issue of mexico. i mean reagan would have been very open-hearted to the dreamers. he was -- now you are looking at, you know, donald trump kind of demonizing them. so their hearts were different. reagan was an optimist. donald trump operates as a pessimist. reagan hated americans to be afraid and trump feeds off of making people fearful. >> and we have about 10 seconds left. behind the scenes ronald reagan, what was he like? >> ronald reagan won two elections with 44 states the first time, 49 states the other. president trump has won with less than the full majority.

so both of them have different leverage when it comes to the american people. >> all right. anne compton, great to see you. doug brinkley, great to see you always as well. thank you both for joining us. thank you all for joining us on this special labor day edition of aaron burnett "out front." "the reagan show" is next. >> cnn films presented by volkswagen. ♪ >>