hello welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world i'm isha sesay. v >> i'm john vause. this is newsroom l.a. >> the lastest luke ynuclear te drawing controversy all around the world. >> nikki haley also says the u.n. strike thatty is not working. >> south korea, more fire drills continued to share seoul's ability to wipe out kim's regime. a new willingness from the south minister to review plans from the nuclear weapons on the korean peninsula. >> we begin coverage live in seoul. kristy. >> john, south korea and the u.s. are increasing the military pressure on north korea. moon jae and donald trump spoke

by phone monday. they agreed to release restrictions. barbara star has more on the south's show of. >> reporter: this live fire exercise by south korean forces a direct military response to the north's largest nuclear test. army and air forces simulating an attack on north korea's nuclear test site. even as north korea's settlement is shoot new threats to the u.s., including guam, one editorial saying every time the u.s. go crazy talking about zangs and war will become hundred and thousand time stronger. >> his abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threat show that he is begging for war. war is never something the

united states wants, we don't want it now. >> reporter: life intentions pushing defense secretary james mattis to exactly where he never wants to be, center stage at the warehouse. >> sni threat to the united states territory including balm or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a response effect i have and overwhelming. >> reporter: but are there credible military options without thousands of casualties. >> what i think secretary mass pit was doing was trying to quince the north that we have this option, and they cannot be certain we would never use it under certain circumstances. >> reporter: it may be the most critical decision ever for donald trump. >> how much of a price we are willing to pay, how much we are willing to bleed to accomplish our objectives.

this is a decision not for military members, this is a decision for elected political leaders to make. and they always have to weigh the cost versus the benefit. >> reporter: short of u.s. attack, the pentagon could send an aircraft carrier offshore, the ronald reagan is nearby. more bombers can be sent. south korea and japan both up their military defenses and corporation with the u.s. there's no indication kim jong-un is listening. >> translator: we predict that north korea can fire intercontinental ballistic missile to show they have obtained the shooting of a bomb to the united states. >> reporter: some military assets could move closer to the peninsula. in the couple days nothing have been announced yesterday. will any of this change kim's mind about proceeding with his weapon's program. the betting money is, it won't. barbara star, cnn, the pentagon.

>> that was cnn's reporters covering this story around the world. ian lee join me in seoul. ian another day another live fire military drill by the south korean military, this time involving the navy, tell us what happened and the intended message here. >> kristy this message is the one we've been seeing since sixth nuclear test. that has a strong force. can retaliate against the north korean regime in the midst of a war. this time we're seeing the navy carry out these live fire exercises. now we've seen the navy, army and these air force conduct this. we following this phone call between president moon jae and donald trump. they talked about further

strength lg the operation between the two countries. they also talked about, lifting the limits on the size of their ballistic missiles that south korea can develop. currently that are at 500 kilograms warheads, they want that to be an unlimited amount. they also talked about buying weapons, billions of dollars of weapons that south korea is going to buy, that would definitely beef up their arsenal. one of thing that have been brought up here in seoul is the potential of bringing u.s. nuclear missiles to south korea. now the president here has said he's committed to the dee newarkization of the korean peninsula but the newly defense says he's willing to look at that opg. i asked people here on the street what they thought about it, they were split 50/50. some say it was a good idea, it's a deter rent.

some say it's further escalate the criminal casis. they say the president had -- when i asked about president trump a lot of them saying he is unknown. some calling him even reckless. even though they say the united states is south korea's most important also lie, but right now the real push seems to be in the international community to further isolate north korean both diplomatically and economically. kristy. >> reporter: all right got it ian let's bring up alex. w what are tokyo's options? >> you don't see that flexing of

military muscles coming from japanese with the military forces but we know they're engaged in drills with the u.s. military. they say that is towards the end of maintaining a defensive posture and certainly the defenses of this country are in mind now. -- after that sixth nuclear test. don't forget also we have seen this beranch missile test from north korea in recent months that have continued to threaten the safety and security of japan. we've had a number of these missiles flashing down off of waters in japan. you have that ballistic missile that flew over the northern island of pa chi doe right here in japan. the government is doing everything they can to maintain preparedness should they need it and reassure people japan's security is ready to combat north korea.

government officials have made it clear they sea diplomacy as the solution here. you had prime minister, shinzo abe making a loud case for further sanctions against north korea to cut off a hard currency that flows into that country. fuelling elicit programs that endanger the world. you are seeing emphasize from leadership on japan on macing sure the sanctions already in place become fully enforced and they're throwing their weight behind further sanctions to be taken by the united nation. the prime minister spoke to president trump and also to vladimir putin to make sure russia is supported when it comes to these u.n. council meetings. abe will have a chance to meet face to face with putin in the coming days and also with the south korean president. >> all right. a flurry of diplomatic activity

ahead. alex and ian live. dennis pingston joining us he's the professor of -- he's also the author of a book called the north korean missile program. we have a sense of north korean's weapons capability but we don't know its motivation. that's the question i want to ask you. why is kim jong-un doing this. what does he want? >> that's a very important question. so, over the past two or three decades we've watched them go through this progression to acquire these weapons. now that they have them we need to realize or remember that these weapons are not a means to an end. so how are they going to use them. under what conditions, against whom and whose going to achieve what. we have to pay attention to their military doctrine.

>> is that the reason why, survival? >> of course, survival is your first agenda items. of course during the famine in the 1990s they were under extraordinary stress. the regime was in the threat of collapse. now, things are much better and they can look beyond simple survival. they're other objectives, if you look at their media and literature it speak of achieving the final victory. which means they say liberate the south and unify korea on its terms. secondly they wish to expel the united states from the region. terminate the alliance system, the system that the u.s. has with other countries in the region and of course lift all sanctions so they can maintain a normal economic relationship with the rest of the world. >> yeah, and that's a long view.

and other thinking out there about why korea is launching these weapons and testing them is blackmail to get back to the table. your thoughts on that? >> yes, particularly when states acquire nuclear weapons early they'll rtry so to the see how they can use them for coercive purposes or plaque mail. no one has been able to identify how you can use them for blackmail. it would be certain situations in a war where they'd result to their nuclear part if they were on the break of suffering defeat. but as far as threatening someone and asking for money or some concessions on something, and, you know under the threat of a nuclear attack i don't think that's credible. >> on the back of the latest and most powerful nuclear test by north korea, weave seen alliances between east asia and u.s. under strain, south korea

and the u.s. in particular, china and the u.s., is that an objective of kim jong-un, does he like seeing that? >> well, certainly it serving north korea's purpose, it serves their natural interest to divide and concur. so north korea is an outlier state, they are a division state, they're dissatisfied with the status quo. they'd like to overturn the status quo in numbers that i just mentioned. when the community's divided they can further their goals more easily. having a united front and strong coalition deters and prevents them from doing that or challenging the status quo. >> so you've established there's rationale thinking in kim jong-un here, but we're stuck in a cycle where north korea makes some sort of provocative act, there is condemn neigh, angry

tweets from donald trump. then there's another provocative act. how do we brake oeak out of thi cycle? >> i think we have to play the long game. the good news is north korea is secular and they wish to survivor. they look at the situation and do cost benefit analysis. they're aware of the power balance. so we have a lot of experience during the cold war facing a much greater soviet union. then all of those instruments and tools that we had at that time we can apply again. all of those constraints in the international system are much greater against north korea. so as far as north korea launching a war of invasion or using its nuclear arsenal to overturn the world order i think is a fallacy. we have to be clear headed and array the instruments to ensure

they are deterred. >> daniel kingston we'll leave it at that. thank you very much. let's go back to my colleagues john and isha in l.a. back to you. >> okay christy thank you for that. >> we're going to take a quick break. next on cnn newsroom president trump threatens an act that protects so many immigrants. also why the international community has been so slow in the help of hurricane harvey.

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hello everyone. u.s. business leaders are urging donald trump and the congress to -- >> on tuesday the president is expected to announce an i know to the program known as deferred childhood arrives non as daca. he's giving congress six months to act. after winning office his tone seemed to soft en. >> we will immediately terminate president obama's two legal

executive amnesties. >> we're all talking about dreamers for other people. i want the children growing up in the united states to be dreamers also. they're not dreaming right now. daca is a very very difficult subject for me. to me it's one of the most difficult subject i have. it's a very tough subject. we're going to deal with daca with heart. we love the dreamers, we love everybody. >> for more on this decision and how it will affect young undocumented immigrants moving forwards we're joined by former mayor of as long as. mr. mayor thank you for joining us. president trump has been all over the map when it has come to the issue of daca and what he said about dreamers. most recently he's talked about love and heart. how do you square that with this expected decision? >> well, obviously there's no heart. it breaks your heart, certainly

breaks mine. i love this country, my grandpa came here 100 years ago. i know what this country's always stood for. it hasn't always been true to what it stood for but you have to feel a disappointment in the fact that the president and this administration would go as far as saying that these people are no longer welcome. we're going to send them back, that they can't work here, they can't fight for our country, they can't contribute to the committee. and i think we should all feel a little shamed today. >> with this decision if it happens as expected by donald trump. is it with the legality of daca, the institution, presidential overreach? all of these open ended questions right now. or is it more to do with the president doing what he can to show up for his own base? >> his base, it's all politics. you've heard him say he's got a

heart, these are decent people, they're working, they should -- they can stay here to the thing he may be doing tomorrow. the fact of the matter is, this is an attempt to feed his base at a time when his approval ratings are in the toyota, they're in the tank. and it's clear, i think to many of us, it's also a way to distract people from the fact that they haven't accomplished anything in the last 9 months or so. >> you mentioned politics and the lack of accomplishments. well the expectations that the president will pump this through congress. speaker paul ryan he did say he didn't want to see the end of daca and he felt congress should have a chance to fix this. the first dream act was introduced in 2001, the la time-voted upon and failed in the senate was december 2010. do you see anything in '17 to

make you think they can fix this in congress? >> i don't think. i hope so, i don't see it but i pray. whether your democrats or republican we have to acknowledge these young people. as i said, they're defending our country, they're contributing to our countmmittee and going to o schools. we should be able to come together, nat and republican and put the country first, put these kids first. over the next ten years there will be $460 billion impact to our committee, not mention the wasted lives that would come if we just sent them back, if we said they couldn't work here. if they had to go back underground and the underground committee again, i'm sure that the -- that if the white house doesn't have the heart, that the congress will have the heart to move ahead and give these young people a legal status. >> mr. mayor, let's talk quickly

about options going forward. if this goes down the way it's expected to, we've already heard from the new york governor and attorney general saying that they will sue on behalf of the dreamers. what do you want to see a state like california do? what do you think in terms of how to fight this? >> we'll take a page out of texas book, use the 10th amendment to stand up for these young people. we'll pass laws as an example. you need a warrant to come into hospital, to come into a counties, courthouse, to come into a school to come into places where you otherwise don't have a place to be except if you have a warrant. we're going to mark a different path. nearly 25% of the dreamers live in california. we're the sixth largest committee in the world and the

epicenter in the states of america. we're the must diverse state and it's been good for us. i think you're going to see us creatively use the laws and the courts to stan for a different proposition. mother liberties proposition. come to this country, work hard, play but the rules and you'll make it. you'll live that american dream. >> you talked about the cost here, the numbers, you said $400 billion of the dreamers over the next daek case. >> 460. by the way, that's the center for american progress that studied that. >> this is what the secretary said about all these immigrants are forced to leave. listen to this. >> as it relates to immigration, the president is very focused on legal immigration. as you said this is a complicated issue and something i'm sure the president will

consider carefully. as its relates to the economic impact, i'm less concerned about the economic impact. we'll make sure we have plenty of workers in this committee. we want to put more people back to work. there's a lot of people that left the work force and our objective is to bring them back into the work force. >> how do you respond to that? >> it's no basis and factor to what he said. it's not just the center for american progress. virtually every academic look at the impact of imgrimigration he in the united states of america, recent study says there's a $1500 billion impact to the economy along. the dreamers over $460 billion over the next ten years. the notion that we can lose these kids when we have in california alone, a million and a half who need a college education by 2030. another million people who need skills that are currently going

unfilled but 2030. these dreamers are people that could help us meet those goals. and impact the economy, so what he's saying has no basis and fact. i haven't seen a study that would confirm what he's just said. >> okay. mr. mayor thank you so much for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> come back again okay. >> i'm just down the street invite me. >> we'll call don't worry. okay. coming up the world rush the help the u.s. after hurricane katrina, twelve years later a even bigger disaster. plus while the recovery wraps up after hurricane. another storm comes in the u.s. hurricane irma. details after this. where's gary? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico. goin' up the country.

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welcome back everyone. for hurricane harvey victims recovery efforts are slowly by steadily moving forward. the emergency management agency said they'd rush recovery money to those with flood insurance. up to $20,000 may be provided with proof of damage. the flood waters have been contaminated with hazardous materials. the epa says the full impact of the flooding on those sides are unclear. officials waiting for the water to recede before being able to make a full assessment. the mayor of houston says most of the city is operational and more than 40% dry. businesses expected to reopen on tuesday. >> well that is good news.

most people beginning to recover from harvey. another storm is barrelling towards the u.s. hurricane irma is a category four steorm. >> florida and puerto rico heavy place states of emergency. landfall expected in the care b caribbean on wednesday. >> meteorologist joins us with that. what are you seeing? >> this storm system has strengthened a bit. it is certainly the stop of the food chain type storm system sitting there east of the island. the immediate threat towards puerto rico. the fly

dominic dominic dominican republic on to the bahamas. these islands will take the initial brunt of this storm system that's why these states of emergency has been issued across various areas in this region. notice the rainfall lifting up to half a meter in certain spots. the modera the model-to-model ruin is what we're looking for. it's great in a sense woor getting a good urnsing of the models in this environment ft pretty confident this will track towards the west. north of cuba as we approach friday into saturday. the environment in the atmosphere wants to shift this to the right and this will put the state of florida directly if the path of the storm with very little variations. only one model wanting to take it into the gulf and another model pushing it off into the atlantic. every single one of them want to bring it into south florida. with with that said, this storm

system is -- and there's a -- notice this area that's orange. that's the path right here, the possible path. of course everyone wants to see this away from the united states. the strength, positioning and timing of that trough coming in will dictate where irma ends up. at this point that window is beginning to narrow. florida is the main area of interest for landfall right now. a lot of comparisons have been made between hurricane harvey and the last disaster to hit the u.s. which is hurricane katrina which left most of new orleans under water. twelve years ago there was a stabling number of offers from around the world. afghanistan pledge $100,000. su sure laing caddo nated to the

red cross. even iran, describes united states as the great satan of the humanitarian aid. this time not so much. on monday, mexico began sending north of the border, even though there's been no official announcement from the trump administration that its accepted that offer of help. so, is this the rest of the world sitting on its hands some sort of a pay back for age nating allies and the america first transfers to every nation for itself. joining us now from san francisco, mark. you described this as possibly about what goes around comes around approach to foreign policy. if that's the case what specifically is driving it? >> i think that's exactly it.

you're seeing this trepidation across the world helping at a time when a state like texas, after this devastating hurricane really needs help. so, i think what you're seeing is the first signs of the trump, america first policies, which include dropping international aid insist on being rather aggressive in its rhetoric against other nations. is questioning whether or not those who are residing within the country are valuable. and so, i think you're seeing around the world, a response that is saying, look if you're going to practice every nation for itself, well, that may actually come back to haunt you. >> there's also been a political boost for president trump in the way he's dealt with this disaster. you also raised the idea there could be another reason why some

other countries don't want to jump in here and help out. >> yeah, there is -- these other nations don't exist in a political vacuum, they have domestic political concerns they have to worry about. in some places they have elections coming up closely. i don't know if angela merkel and germany is concerned about helping a guy that wouldn't shake her hand. what you're seeing across the world is a retarded advance and a slower response to what is clearly a grand tragedy in the united states. >> you know, there also could be a simpler explanations, there comes from a report by heritage foundation. $850 million of foreign aid which was offered into wake of katrina. only $40 million has been spent, that report then concluded, u.s. remains prepared to accept

offers of foreign aid and put them to use in a way that will save lives and property. could it mean countries have found other ways to help out? but, i guess i sort of realize the benefit of making the offer in the first place. >> yeah. and in fact i quoted from that report, which was a good report in a column that i did. and in fact $400 million worth of oil aid was unable to be used. so yes, there might be some of that. here's what's happened in the meantime, the state department has reviewed those problems from katrina and tried to change things so that we can as a nation, the united states can absorb, accept and implement some of the aid that's forth coming. it's really -- it's really sad because what we need to see is that international aid, both that the united states is able to give to other countries but

that we're also able to accept in times of need. >> and that's just a break down, if the u.s. doesn't receive or offer the aid, the aid which is offered what are the long-term implications here? >> well, i think you're seeing a nation, the united states is the largest aid donation nation in the world. not by gdp, that would be sweden, but the united states gives the largest total amount of money on an annual basis around the world. a lot of it goes to afghanistan number one, and israel's number two. if we're unable as a nation to continue this and really exemplify a humanitarian response to other nations that are in need, especially with the great resources that this country has, well, then maybe the rest of the world won't respond when we need help whether it's for humanitarian reasons or perhaps in other realms. >> okay.

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welcome back everybody. the news just in north korea is expected to be a intercontinental missile. this comes from north korea's national intelligent source. there was no indication of when this movement was detected but there is a great deal of concern north koreans will be testing another missile which will be days after that nuclear test. >> and north korea usually makes these moves around significant dates. september 29th is the founding

of north korea. so the expectation thktd be -- if this is what is happening, it could be in relation to that. we should watch closely. moving on and continue with the issue on the korean peninsula. donald trump so spoke with south korea's president for the first time on sunday. they plan to strengthen their capabilities and maximize pressure on north korea. >> the relationship is showing signs of strain. on sunday trump posted on twitter. south korea's pleasement on the choice will not work. thanks for coming become. south korea and the united states have been allies for 67 years but donald trump lashed out at seoul not just on this issue of appeasement but also putting a tree trade agreement out there on the table. here's one reason according to "new york times." the president's brand is based on protecting strength. since he could not throw a real

punch at pyongyang seoul was a target. john, right now in the middle of this threat which is coming from north korea which seems to grow every day, what is the benefit to be getting by essentially punching one of your closest allies in the face? >> there's not a lot to be gained. he should be building bridges in this circumstance. i think the president's frustration is fair. we have to start penalizing north korea, we can't get them take an inch. it's not just south korea that is being threatening it's the u.s. j it's really. >> david, when you pick up on this. just as the u.s. president has it on domestic situation the south korean president does as well. he was elected on forming some kind of engagement with the north. >> right. it was outrageous that the president attacked our key also lie the region south korea. instead of issuing a tweet

saying something like, i stand in solidarity with our asian allies, japan and south korea that should have been the tweet. this was annie jerked reaction from an unhinged knew rottic president. i think the reality is we need to be on lock step with south korea and japan and our other asian allies right now and we're not. >> they haven't been doing the job david i think that's his point. >> what document about doing the job per se. how are their options any different from -- >> well -- >> but south korea? >>. >> no i think you're right. i think he's saying with all of asian allies we need to work together to choke off every ounce and north korea. >> there should be no deadline with the u.s. and south korea. we got heighten attentions. the relate is the president should have put it over to china. 4/5th of the trade is coming in

from north korea to china. he should have done a hard pivot to china. and he shouldn't be tweet -- >> we vhaven't heard from rex tillerson in the last 24 hours. i'd imagine that's what he's doing. >> we hope. donald trump's issued threats about north korea for months. it's pivoted in -- he represents us and then all options are on the table. this is one of the better ones listen to this. >> he utters one threat in the form of an overthreat, which by the way, he has been uttering for years and his family has been uttering for years, or if he does anything with respect to guam or any place else that's an american territory or an american also lie, he will truly regret it. >> i think we've gone past threats now. obviously kim jong-un has fired a missile over japanese air

base. and john, is this now a question of u.s. credibility? and this is the problem, the president's backed into a corner because of the things he said. if he doesn't follow through this country loses its credibility around the world. >> it is a challenge but the president is trying to do a shift from what we saw in the last eight years. instead of having the rest of the country laugh at out and no project weakness. >> i'm a mine tick as well. >> no i may just blow you off the face of the world. this is what people worried about with ronald reagan and it worked. >> it was donald trump who was attacked president obama on the red line narrative. if you look back a couple weeks ago donald trump said the fire and fury message. we've serve passed that threshold -- >> it's a big difference between drawing a line. >> i'm not add voevocated for h

but -- >> he didn't draw a clear red line like barack obama he's talking more broadly. >> here's the other thing we're not talking about. we still have houston to grapple with. we have to raise the debt ceiling by the end of the month. this is going to be a defining three weeks for the trump white house. >> the staff of president is foreign policy, this may very well be trump's legacy with north korea and how that shakes out. >> this is a good point. because if you look at the month ahead there's a lot of -- congress has two weeks early to get the tax cuts. all kind of stuff. >> it's a huge list. the president's commander and chief can drop bombs by himself. >> that is a terrifying thought. >> he has authority to take military action. >> okay we'll leave it there. guys thank you.

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given the current threat of military confrontation with north korea, it may not come as much of a surprise that sales of shelters in japan are on the rise. >> the fiery rhetoric between u.s. donald trump and kim jong un is also fueling fears. here is cnn's kyung lah. >> reporter: down this sky lined staircase, through an air locked steel door ichiro welcomes us into his insurance against kim jong un and donald trump. tell me what we're sitting in. a shelter against nuclear fallout. 55 years ago when i started selling shelters in japan, people thought i was crazy, he says. whose crazy now, he asks? as north korea edges closer to a long-range missile capable of hitting the u.s. america's new president engaging in a war of words with kim jong un. >> they will be met with fire and fury. like the world has never seen.

>> reporter: japan caught in the crosshairs of any conflict. in trump's first six months as president, he has sold more than a dozen of his tropical themed concrete fortified shelters. while that's not a lot, that's more than he sold in 55 years. housing developer kazumi yoshiyama wants in. are customers asking for this? >> yeah. >> how many of these are you thinking of building? >> maybe 100 home. >> reporter: it may not seem as ridiculous as it sounds. in a suburban neighbor in wakayama, japan, nestled behind this traditional japanese home -- what is this made out of? >> concrete. >> reporter: concrete. so three layers of reinforced concrete right here. yoshihiko bought this small shelter fearing earthquake, tsunami, and the neighbor to his north. >> i always worry about the nuclear by north korea.

>> reporter: having the shelter, does it give you peace of mind? >> that's right. i feel very peaceful. in my mind. >> reporter: selling that personal peace in these shelters that range from ten to hundreds of thousands of dollars. but you won't hear him celebrate the windfall. trump's extreme rhetoric has heightened tensions with north korea, he says. you don't know what he is going to do next. it's good if it goes well, but if it doesn't, it could lead to a national disaster. go ahead and say they're prepping for the impossible. but for a region watching two unpredictable leaders, they call it just being realistic. kyung lah, cnn, osaka, japan. >> a lot of fear out there. >> and given japan's history, it's totally understandable. >> wow, that's where we are.

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