president is going to head to north dakota today to continue his push for tax reform since the administration says they want to see a bipartisan effort although at this point it's just republicans talking about it. >> all right. thanks for joining us. >> irma battering the caribbean. a possible direct hit on florida. emergency preparations are underway. "new day" has the governor of florida, rick scott, right ahead. we'll see you tomorrow. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." it's wednesday, september 6, 6:00 in new york. we have a big day for you. hurricane irma is a monster category 5 storm, slamming parts of the caribbean, packing 185-mile-per-hour winds. this is the most powerful storm ever recorded in the atlantic ocean.

it just went over the island of barbuda. you have the storm surge, the winds and flash flooding. at this point puerto rico, the dominican republic, haiti, cuba, all in the direct line of fire as you see on your screen. the big question mark, florida. >> so florida is under a state of emergency even now as irma approaches. people are emptying out store shelves, dealing with long lines at gas stations. we're also this morning following two other big stories for you. that's the fallout from president trump's decision to end the program that protects dreamers from deportations. in a few hours, president trump has a critical phone call with china's president over the north korea threat. cnn has global coverage of this like none other. we begin with hurricane irma and cnn's leyla santiago live in puerto rico. what's the situation there,

leyla? >> reporter: we're certainly feeling the winds pick up, the water, the waves come in a little more aggressively here in puerto rico. irma right now at this hour, 225 miles southeast of where we are. and yet, as we drove around this morning, i could also tell that people are getting ready. people went to sleep last night not knowing what we would wake up to today, i have been in touch with the governor's office, they tell me they're wrapping up a meeting right now to get the latest with all the emergency management officials who have been working overnight. there are shelters in place, 460 of them. many of them already opening up ready to take people, especially from the eastern part of the island where these are really flood-prone areas. you can see the water coming up behind me. puerto rico is a caribbean island. we are used to seeing tropical storms and hurricanes this time of year. it's hurricane season.

this is something the governor has said that is expected to be catastrophic, expected to be of a magnitude they have never experienced here on this island. but the mood right now is a let's wait and see, hope for the best. but we really don't think things are going to end up well here. >> thank you, be safe. joining us by phone is governor ricardo rosello. governor, can you hear me? >> yes. >> we know you got just got out of a meeting for emergency planning. do you believe you are where you need to be in terms of preparation? >> yes, we've been preparing for this for about a week already, on top of having initial preparations for the last five months. puerto rico always seems to be in the line of fire with hurricanes flowing through. we always want to make sure we're prepared. we looked at the areas of

flooding so we could mobilize people. we also are focused on the last 24 hours, mobilization efforts. so we are hoping for the best, but, of course, preparing for the worst. it's a category 5 hurricane unlike has ever been seen before. although we hope the trajectory continues up northward, we are preparing for the worst and keeping people safe is our main objective. >> most people are sheltering in place of course. but do you have people in the shelters already? >> yes, we do have people. we have a realtime feedback mechanism so we can see how many people are safe. we are working with the most vulnerable populations. our team worked the past week to identify those potentially critical flooding areas so we can start moving people and get them on the mindset that this could be a very tough storm.

so things are moving. of course, once again, i reiterate, we will feel strong, very strong winds, and we expect -- we hope it sort of skips northwards, but we are preparing for the worst. it's a category 5 hurricane. our main objective right now is not infrastructure, but it's the safety of the people of puerto rico. >> what's your biggest concern in terms of the possibilities? we know there's a little bit of changes in the path of the storm in which part of the storm actually hits the island. >> there's two main areas of concern. obviously under any hurricane, any category, flooding is a main concern. we just saw in harvey how the main cause of death was essentially flooding. so we really tackled that early on with preventive measures. the second area of concern, of

course, category 5 winds are really aggressive. just to give our viewers perspective, it's essentially the speed of a boeing 340 airplane taking off. these are very strong winds that we're talking about, something that we have never experienced here in puerto rico and, quite frankly, not a lot of jurisdictions have. so, again, we ask the people to keep us in their thoughts and prayers, hoping for the worst part of the hurricane to get us by. we know we'll feel strong hurricane winds anyway. what we want to make sure is that we have our people safe and we can rebuild immediately afterwards. >> all right. please know you can reach out to us with any information that people need to hear, and i hope that everybody is wrong and somehow this storm does less than expected. governor, be safe and be well.

>> thank you so much for the opportunity. >> chris, there are also mandatory evacuations and school closings in the florida keys today in advance of irma. people from miami beach to jacksonville are loading up on food and supplies, leaving store shelves empty. cnn's rosa flores is live in miami with more. what's the situation there? >> reporter: alisyn, good morning. this storm is moving in with a fury, but florida is preparing with a flory as well. mandatory evacuations have already been issued for monroe county. that includes key west. here in miami-dade people with disabilities will be evacuated starting today with possible evacuation orders in this county, for portions of this county, possible today or tomorrow. people are responding to the call to heed the warning for this monster storm. public officials asking people to have food and supplies for at least three days and indeed we're seeing empty shelves in grocery stores and hardware stores and long lines at gas

stations. our friends to the north in broward county have 43 shelters that can shelter about 33,000 people. statewide, the governor of this state has issued disaster declaration for all 67 counties and tapped into all 7,000 national guard members and all of their assets and resource capabilities. alisyn? >> rosa, thank you very much. you saw the lines of the traffic there. for a lot of people the calculation becomes is it worth the time to evacuate. that is a choice that often comes with big consequences. later on we're going to talk about the situation in florida, what they're worried about, what they're ready for with governor rick scott. we want to show you some incredible footage of hurricane irma from space, one of the reasons that at least the meteorologists are marveling at what they're calling almost a perfect storm in terms of its formation, its shape, churning in that eye, captured by the international space station. here is the actual eye.

take a look at that. that is your energy source. obviously all the pain spreads outward from there. as beautiful as it is, who cares? what we want is for it to miss all the vital and populated areas. that all comes down to the path. let's get to cnn meteorologist chad meyer. we get it's a pretty storm, a huge storm. the we is where is it going to go, what's it going to do? >> over the next 24 to 48 hours, i think we really know that. after 72, you still have about 150 miles either way that the storm can go. right now barbuda took a direct hit. at 185 miles per hour, there may not be vegetation left on the island. really right over just to the north of puerto rico. that will be a battering wind and waves for puerto rico and then eventually on up into the bahamas, really causing significant damage to the bahamas. some of the islands are more than nine feet tall, storm surge

may be 20 feet. you get the idea what will happen to those islands. what has changed overnight? a significant change from here to here. but all the models this morning are here. the national hurricane center said, wait, let's not go over here yet, let's just average it out. we believed that yesterday this was pretty good. today we'll have to see if this new path, this new model run is correct, and we'll know that later on this morning. here are the models from overnight. notice the big right-hand turn. could scour miami beach all the way up into north carolina, could go to the right of there. we're watching the bahamas closely. if miami-dade up to homestead pick up the eye of this storm, it's a devastating storm for south florida. that's the center of the eye. don't for cuss on it. they're saying landfall in charleston. couple days away. not yet time to evacuate because we don't know where to go just

yet. >> okay. keep following those models, chad. thank you very much. now to washington, just hours after stopping a plm that shields young undocumented immigrants from deportation, president trump tweeted out a sliver of hope for them. he says he'll revisit the issue in six months if congress fails to pass a law that protects them. let's bring in joe johns live at the white house to help explain what's going on. hi, joe? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the president and the administration are turning up the heat on the united states congress to come up with a package that will protect those young, undocumented immigrants from deportation. it comes after the attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions, announced the administration is rescinding the program started under president obama known as deferred action for childhood arrivals. it affects about 800,000 people. >> i have a love for these people and hopefully now congress will be able to help

them and do it properly. >> reporter: but the stakes of congressional action or inaction seem a lot higher today. president trump tweeting tuesday night that he plans to revisit his administration's decision to end daca if congress fails to pass a law protecting dreamers within six months. >> we have no choice. we have to be able to do something. i think it's going to work out very well and in the long term it will be the right solution. >> reporter: press secretary sarah sanders says the president would support signing legislation as part of a broader immigration overhaul but neglected to say whether trump would support a stand-alone bill that only addresses dreamers. >> we have confidence that congress will step up and do their job. we stand ready and willing to work with them in order to accomplish responsible immigration reform. >> reporter: senator marco rubio urging the president to take the lead and coolerly outline what kind of legislation the president is willing to sign. some lawmakers urging immediate bipartisan action to swiftly

pass a new dream act by the end of september. >> the clock is ticking. we're now in a countdown toward deportation for 780,000 protected by daca today. >> my challenge for the president is that you talk very glowingly about these kids. help us in the house, help us in the senate. >> reporter: others are sceptical about congress's ability to pass come hen situation immigration legislation. senator john cornyn telling cnn a large scale immigration bill would pretty much guarantee failure. the move to end daca fell well beyond the halls of congress. president obama slamming the decision to rescind his 2012 executive action in a lengthy letter as wrong, self-defeating and cruel, saying in part, let's be clear, the action taken today isn't required legally. it's a political decision and a moral question.

across the country nationwide protests were on display as president trump seemed to reverse his own promises to protect young immigrants from deportation. and another busy day on tap for president trump today. he first speaks on the phone with chinese president xi, later meets with the congressional leadership and then flies off to north dakota for a speech on tax reform. >> joe, appreciate it. the president has ended protections for dreamers, punted the issue to congress. yes, they make law, but they have failed to do it. these people have been seeking protection since the early 2000s. what does he expect lawmakers to do? what priority will these people have? we discuss next. office depot officemax takes care of mom! now, all this just 25 cents each!

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number one? number two, two things going on. the president does not actually want to do this. by all my reporting, he's extremely torn about it. he meant what he said earlier when he said this year this was not an enforcement priority, that he did worry about criminals and not people brought here on their own. the problem is the president campaigned on ending daca. so if you don't want to end daca, you probably should not promise people you're going to during an election season. that's where they find themselves. it's iebs true there was no easy fix here. it's absolutely true there was a deadline, though many argue it was an artificial deadline made by the states, threatening to sue. they're saying they're ening it so it didn't end essentially if there was a legal challenge and did not get upheld. however, the way they rolled this out was so chaotic, i don't

think it was a rollout. it was a leak-out where they completely lost control, from the very first story broken by illiana johnson at politico which made clear how uncertain all the details were, that it allowed people to fill the void with fear, concern, rhetoric, all kinds of things. these are people's lives. so while it's certainly true by all my reporting that the president is having a hard time with this, i think the kids were facing deportation or adults facing deportation brought here as kids, but are now active members of their communities are facing a harder time. >> the president is on record saying i don't know how you send people back after being here 20 years. he's also on record for decades never yielding to pressure of a lawsuit. he usually applies the pressure. he didn't want this to come to a league conclusion here wii would have probably glif en him very clear space. it goes to your point about why does he do it now and what does

the word revisit mean? that's what he said at his tweet, if you want to put it up there for people, that he might revisit this if congress doesn't get it done which is, just to remind people, exactly how he got daca. they've been asking for it since the early 2000s. congress failed, several different iterations of it and then obama said revisit it. >> this was not done around congress to be flighty and deciding what parts of the law you want to enforce. there was a very real situation that congress was not dealing with. to your point, over, i think it was, 16 years. that's why obama did what he did. there was a clear option and he took it. the president -- the current president has taken what could have been a clear option and has appeared to take everything. so, look, we have seen him do this for years. he likes to act like a dealmaker.

he treats everything as if it's an ongoing sliding scale where you can negotiate up until the last minute. you don't have that option here. this is something entirely different. you have seen the administration send such unbelievably conflicting signals. look, what i was hearing on saturday and sunday before it became clear they were still negotiating up until the last second on monday about what this was going to look like and how many people would be impacted in that six-month window and how they would implement this winddown, the president was telling people, he knew he had gotten himself into a politically untenable situation -- let me rephrase that. he knew he was in a politically untenable situation. he didn't want to be in that position and did want to revisit this in six months if congress doesn't act. the problem is people in his own white house are saying to him, there is no really way to do this because the a.g. has said this is unconstitutional. you can never say never, but

let's be clear, it doesn't seem like the likeliest bet, if you're a betting person, and after that it's not really clear what your options are. >> now there's all sorts of backlash from even republicans, even right leaning media. here is the "wall street journal" yesterday. as american problems go, these young adults shouldn't even be on the list. it shows the republican party is at its worst. is deporting these people really how republicans want to define themselves? is this catching the white house and the president off guard? are they surprised by this backlash? >> no, it's not catching most people in the white house who understand this issue off guard. it is delighting stephen miller, the president's top national policy adviser who has pushed this along with his former boss jeff sessions. stephen miller who was a congressional senate spokesman for a long time now finds himself in this pretty significant position of policy making. >> hold on one second. he's delighted because this is a play to the base, right? he has the base's interest at

heart. if republicans are speaking out against it and congress and the "wall street journal," why does that make him happy? >> he's delighted because he believes this. it's not just a play to the base. this is what most republicans in almost all polling have been against by a majority, even in some cases a very slim majority, but there is a segment of republicans that favor this. that is the segment of republicans to whom this president plays over and over. the president, by the way, look, we have seen repeatedly, he will have a plan and feel like he knows what he's doing. he rarely understands the impact of this. it was made pretty clear to him what was likely to happen. he went ahead and did it anyway. one of the things that's been so add about how this played out, he outsourced the announcement to sessions which he saw, because he didn't want to be the one saying i'm ending this. he didn't want that video. you heard his statement about love and we're going to have something that works out very

well which appear completely at odds with what was being discussed in every other direction. he's had moments throughout this of both acting like the president and acting like a spectator and you don't get to choose. >> let's be clear, also, this doesn't play to the interests of the base in a real way. it plays to their fear, to their anger. this is part of an emerging culture war, us versus them. the spin about what about veterans, why don't you worry about them? they have nothing to do with each other. the bigger concern is what motivates the president's actions. does your reporting confirm or suggest what we're hearing elsewhere which is in the hours before this decision was to be made, the president wasn't sure about what this would mean. should i do it? i don't want it on me. all right, we'll do it, but let's put it on somebody else. was it that chaotic? >> i wasn't kidding before when i said they were negotiating up until the last second on monday. it was that chaotic because the

president was completely unsure where he wanted to go -- let me rephrase that. he did know on some gut level what he wanted to do. he also knew this was not politically tenable to do what he wanted to do. so he was hearing all these various menus of options. there was a signal coming from the white house to a lot of people who work on this issue on the keep daca side, that there was going to be a broader window for allowing people to have renewals. that left people feeling sandbagged and as if they had been lied to, even if it was a misunderstanding, literally every aspect of this was poorly handled. it was because, as with almost everything, they have been arguing about this until the last minute. the other thing i heard from several people is there were a bunch of voices involved in this. john kelly, the new chief of staff, has tried implementing and instituting a more streamline process about policy. this one, for whatever reason, had a lot more people involved

who realistically probably shouldn't have been. and i think that added to the sense of whiplash. >> rolling the dice with 800,000 people is a damned thing. >> maggie, stick around. he just called north korea an embarrassment to china. now president trump is about to get on the phone with chinese president xi. after all the threats and criticism, how will this call go? we'll take a closer look next. when i walked through a snowstorm for a cigarette, that's when i knew i had to quit. for real this time. that's why i'm using nicorette. only nicorette gum has patented dual-coated technology for great taste, plus intense craving relief. every great why needs a great how. ♪ to find smarter solutions. to offer more precise and less invasive treatment options than before.

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president trump and china's president holding a high-stakes phone call in a few hours to discuss north korea as russian president vladimir putin and south korea's president meet on the issue as well. cnn's paula hancocks is live in seoul with more. what have you learned, paula? >> reporter: well, alisyn, that phone call will take place at 9:00 a.m. eastern. a very important call, the first time the two leaders have spoken since north korea's weekend nuclear test and a week ago carried out the missile test. china wants talks, what's dialogue with north korea and

the u.s. wants stronger sanctions. it will be having interesting to read of that particular coal. in vladivostok on the sidelines of the summit, vladimir putin met moon jae-in and said it might be the case, it will be impossible to resolve the issue of north korea, just one day after saying there could be global catastrophe if north korea's tests end in anything but talks. he also said he believed that president moon agreed fundamentally with what he wanted to dorks something which could potentially annoy president trump, as we know, that russia wants talks. >> appreciate the reporting. the president has a packed day. he's got a call, as we've been saying with the chinese president, set to meet with the top four leaders of congress to discuss the legislative agenda including now at the top of the list presumably is daca. then you also have tax reform

and the debt ceiling. will there be a mix and match. let's discuss. we'll keep maggie haberman and bring in cnn political analyst david gregory. let's be clear, maggie. you gave us a great debrief on your reporting about what's going on. just the general thread, we saw this with health care, now seeing it again. political pressure, a political play motivating the president's action even though he doesn't seem to understand what he is doing. he didn't know what was in that bill with health care. he didn't understand why it wasn't going to go the wrong way. once again now, your reporting and others seems to demonstrate that in the hours before doing this, he still wasn't sure. what will this mean? >> he wasn't sure what it would mean. but i think he was also unsure where to go with it. unlike health care which is incredibly intricate, this is complicated but it's pretty clear-cut. you either deport people or don't deport people.

i think at the end of the day he was able to met tab loiz that. they were trying to in the white house make clear that he has a heart. >> with no real immediacy in play either. you have the states attorney general thinking of suing. but so what? what does he care if they sue? >> there was a division in the white house even about that. couldn't jeff sessions have asked the a.g. of texas, please delay for 30 day, 60 days, give us a window to do this. >> if the a.g.s delayed their lawsuit, that would just be kicking the can down the road. >> but at least it would have bought you more time to figure out something that seemed more thought out as opposed to what they ended up with, number one. number two, there are people in the white house who say that's not a bad thing because it's possible we can push this through. there is some discussion and relief in the white house that you could see chuck schumer

attach a daca move to the cr, in terms of keeping the government going and then what happens? how does the president sign that? does that go through? does that get voted through at all? there's a lot of moving parts here. those are the pieces i think this president doesn't understand. what we all understand is congress has proven intractable for many, many years. there's no reason to believe they're not going to. congress does not want this hand grenade thrown at them, especially when you're going to -- on march 5th -- no one knows how this is going to work with people sliding off daca registration and in terms of being covered. there's going to be tons of media coverage right in the middle of when republicans are in the middle of their primaries and gearing up for fall midterms. >> david, your thoughts? >> to maggie's point about the inactivity of congress, i don't think that president trump wants to throw into congress's court

the idea of comprehensive immigration reform. the short history of this is that was on the way to happening before the 9/11 attacks. president trump understood the issue, had the political capital to really pass it. of course, it all fell away after the 9/11 attacks. he only tried to revive it in his second term. he was so hobbled by iraq that the fissures within the republican party that were there today and exploded in trump's candidacy came to the fore. i don't think congress has the opportunity to do that. to that point, president trump strikingly to me is such a bystander with congress. if he wants to lead on this issue, then lead on it. but instead, he's not -- not unreasonably kicking it back to congress for them to actually resolve it, but without any leadership attached to it. and i wonder, like you did, chris, earlier this morning, when he talks about i'll revisit the issue. this is not a president who is

afraid of expansive executive power. so he may come back and effect some sort of compromise by executive action because i don't think he wants to be responsible for deporting dreamers. he has other goals with regard to immigration, but i do think what's striking about all this is the political calculation for trump such that it is i think is trying to deal with the genie that huh unleashed in terms of the nativist right and square that with his views which are far more moderate. >> he handcuffed himself, david. having his attorney general go out there and strongly say we have to shut down daca because it's unconstitutional, now what is he going to do? you talk about beleaguered geoff sessions. he'll really be be big leaguered if the president decides to act in an executive way to do what they consider to be the right way, protecting these dreamers. after it's been found

unconstitutional, how do you swing that? >> he's contradicted sessions before. i don't think there's any question that he would do it if he had to. i come back to this point of, if he wants congress to lead on this, you heard the white house says this in the briefing over and over again, he's outsourced all this work, and whether it's health care, we'll see what he does on taxes, but the president has positioned himself as the leader of a movement outside of washington. he is a republican president with republicans in control of the government including congress, and yet he doesn't drive. that's what i keep looking for. when are you going to drive and be accountable for -- >> that's what rubio just asked him to development marco rubio, and he has some mastery and life experience with this issue. he said be very clear what bill you would sign, mr. president. >> yes, but on the other hand, it's not as if rubio has a clear history on this in terms of his own actions in congress in terms

of the gang of eight. >> one of the reasons he's not president. >> one of the things i wanted to say, what david said, he stirred up the mod rift views. i this think he generally has some gut impulse where he means what he's been saying. if you look at what he's been saying, for 30 years, everything about is pull up the drawbridges, we're getting ripped off in one way or another. i don't think this is hugely out of character. this is actually the problem, this isn't just some part he's playing which is what paul manafort famously told other republicans. there is a part of him that believes this, it's just that there's a part of them that kids who didn't do anything wrong and shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their parents, given this is somebody who is seeing his daughter get beat up on this issue pretty aggressively. >> having it both ways is

unusual either. to say pull up the drawbridges and then hire out side labor. >> and not taking a firm position on anything is also not new to him. his whole strategy in the campaign was being as vague as possible so different people would read into his comments and reporters who basically have to offer him a menu of options to try to pin him down and even then it wasn't successful. this is again one of these issues, it's not like this is a messaging issue. people are going to know if they're getting deported or not. the end. >> that's a totally fair point. i guess what i'm saying, partly because he's been vague, partly because he's not shown a great appetite for mass deportations, per se, even beyond daca, is why there's not necessarily an ideological core. he is trying to manage a base that again started to -- conservatives who opposed comprehensive immigration reform back in about 2006 or '7, that was the publing bubbling up of

movement. he he's been uncomfortable how to manage it. >> we have other news to talk to you about. hillary clinton's new book is called "what happened." in it she blasts bernie sanders suggesting he may not even care that he helped donald trump become president. she also has plenty to say about her own choices on the campaign trail and in her marriage. cnn's jeff zeleny has a copy of clinton's book. he has combed through it last night. he joins us now with the juiceiest parts. what have you found? >> hillary clinton has taken ownership to a degree for her stunning loss to donald trump in the presidential campaign last year. her book is set to be released next week. we purchased a copy from a florida book store yesterday and we read it overnight. she says she takes responsibility for a series of

mistakes, but also has strong wrds for president trump. in one passage she writes, still in terms of fighting the previous war, i think it's fair to say i didn't understand how quickly the ground was shifting under oush feet . i was running a traditional presidential campaign with painstakingly built co-lags while trump was running a reality show. she says she was a lightning rod and blames that in part because she is a woman. she also writes about her relationship with president bill clinton in ways we have not heard her do so. she said this, there was times i was deeply unsure whether our american could or would survive. on those days i asked myself the questions that mattered to me. do i still love him and can i still be in this marriage without becoming unrecognizable to myself, twisted by anger, resentment or remoteness. of course, she also goes on to blame fbi director james comey

for his role in the election, strong words for the russian president. but in the end, chris and alisyn, she says i go back over my own shortcomings and mistakes that were made and i take responsibility for all of them. >> jeff, those are really interesting passages. thank you for reading it. let's bring back david and maggie now. david, let's just start with her saying there that she was still running a traditional presidential campaign. i think that's true. she did not use the tools that donald trump -- donald trump broke the rules and called in to news shows. we gave her that opportunity saying she doesn't have to come in, but call in. they never took us up on that opportunity. that is one example. she was old school, tra dishl and donald trump broke all the rules. >> that's a little euphemistic, the idea of old school and traditional. he was that plus she had a kind of bunker mentality that was scar tissue built up over years

of dealing with the media and her own reaction to it. so that created a kind of arrogance around the response to the server issue. her reluctance to engage with the media. she was never going to match what donald trump was doing. he was someone who was manipulating all the apparatuses of the media in ways we haven't seen before. so she did seem more traditional. i think the misjudgment a lot of people made including many in the media was that somehow that wouldn't prevail. in other words, her approach combined with the demographics of the democratic coalition, that that would still prevail over what trump was doing. that's what proved to be wrong. >> jeff just got the book in florida. he had one night to look at it. it will be interesting to see what granular level hillary clinton gets to in terms of what she didn't do in michigan and wisconsin and when.

in the end she did win the popular vote. >> i think she has legitimate points about -- i have not seen this book, but what i've seen of it, she has legitimate points about everything, as best as i can tell including, she's completely within her rights to criticize bernie sanders. the question is whether that is helpful to the democratic party as they are moving forward and in terms of looking at how they can do things differently in places like wisconsin and michigan with working class white voters who she really struggled with and who she did not do as well with as president obama did in 2012 when you're comparing polls. it does sound like she took responsibility. it also sounds like she cast a fair amount of blame. i think david's assessment is right, she has accumulated scar tissue from decades of dealing with the media over really painful, awful things. that having been said, that doesn't mean they handled everything correctly.

i don't know what she says about the e-mail issue in the book, although from what i've read, a lot of that is blame. she describes it as blame but it was this one's fault for focusing on it. the reality is it is not as if there was not negative or rigorous coverage of donald trump. the difference is she has been around in the national public's mind in a very sfeshl way for a very long time, and the e-mail issue was one issue whereas with donald trump there were 50 issues and not exactly everything was sticking. and i think that was a huge source of frustration in her campaign. i also think -- again, look, i have not seen this book. her campaign wanted to run against donald trump until it became clear that that was going to be a lot more challenging than it seemed. but they thought he was the ideal person to run against, and i think to her point, when she's saying she was running a campaign of the past, she was running the last war, i don't think that's just saying it was an outdated playbook. she's saying she was running the obama campaign part three. that ultimately was the problem. she was running a demographics

ladened campaign where they assumed the demography was destiny and that didn't turn out to be true. >> what's interesting about that, the krit siechl of sanders. i fault myself, others in the media. for failing to recognize sanders and all his support for what it was which was a big deal, not just a nuisance, not just something that would make her a better candidate, but a big deal, because it was connected to the populism on the right which was the major force and still is the major force in our politics right now. it said something about how alienated younger people, elements of that obama coalition had become from the clinton brand. that's what made her so difficu difficult. i think she was a target of sexism without a doubt. >> me, too. >> we've had conversations about that. people wanting to move on, that's what she's saddled with. this doesn't help the democratic party because the democratic party is in upheaval right now,

in a similar way that the republican party is. that's why you talk to grassroots folks, we'll see a huge slate of candidates in 2020. >> probably. it is interesting that hillary clinton's book is all about her and processing what she did and why. bernie sanders' book is a manual for how to win the message war and what to do to be politically active in the next generation. the difference between the two people. >> maggie and david, thank you. the president suggesting he may revisit how to help the dreamers if congress fails to take action. what would that mean? he just had his attorney general say that daca is unconstitutional. we have a republican lawmaker to try to make sense of it next.

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president trump suggesting the door is not closed on dreamers. he says congress should do this. if they don't, congress has six months to legalize daca, something the obama administration was unable to do. true. if they can't, i will revisit this issue.

how? he just had his attorney general say daca is unconstitutional. what will congress do? congressman jim jordan, republican ohio, chairman emeritus of the freedom coalition. congressman, always a pleasure. >> great to be with you, chris. >> a lot on the plate. should be a very active fall. you have taxes, border security, health care you can pick up again. now the president has put something on your plate that does have the feel of urgency. do you believe that left and right would come together and protect dreamers? do you think something like that can get done? >> i think we'll have a six-month debate. i think you've got to step back and remember what got us here. president obama knew his executive order was unconstitutional. he said it was unconstitutional prior to enacting it, but enacted it back in the string and summer of 2012 but did it for political reasons in the

context of his campaign. president trump has said let's take six months and do it right, let's figure this out, have the national debate. most importantly, what i hope is this can be a catalyst to do what the american people are demanding we do, republicans, democrats, independents, everyone is demanding we secure the southern border, build the wall like he campaigned on. i'm hoping this is the catalyst for doing that, which americans want us to do. >> i don't see any data that suggests the wall is where -- >> 77% of americans want to secure the border. >> we both know the realities here. we know the difference between propaganda and what the practicalities are. 80% of the people who come into this country who come in illegally, doesn't sneak across the border. >> the overstay is an important iss issue. did president trump campaign on a border security law?

i think he did. last time i checked he won the election. did many republicans campaign on that issue? yes, they did. and we control congress. >> that's why you campaign of poetry and govern in prose. obama didn't create dreamers. he didn't even create the law. you guys -- not you, per se, but congress had been fighting over this since before 9/11. you couldn't get it done. you wouldn't get it done and, in fact, you got worse at it over time. that's how he got here. now it seems like we're going to revisit the whole process. >> that doesn't justify president obama doing something he said he couldn't do, doing something he said is unconstitutional. second, you're right. congress didn't get any action done on this issue. you know what president trump has done? he said i'm going to give you six months for debate and get it done. >> the six-month time isn't of

his doing. it's going to expire. it's not that he set six months. it's going to expire and then these people -- >> his order yesterday -- >> open for deportation. >> no one is talking about deportation. dhs's policy right now is the only folks subject to deportation are those engaged in criminal activity which i think the american people support. let's have the debate, focus on incentivizing the right behavior. what president did, he incentivized people to come here illegally. so we don't have what we had three summers ago, all those unaccompanied minors on the border, and they thought if they get here, they'll get to stay in this, the greatest country ever. that's what president trump's policy does, force us to debate and be the catalyst we need to secure the border. i think that's consistent with what the american people are demanding. >> you said a lot of different things. this is the last point just for

today. this is a piecemeal conversation. you're totally right about that. so you want to protect these people. you're saying nobody is talking about deportation. >> of course. >> then what happens when daca expir expires? what happens to those people? right now they're in legal limbo. they're not citizens, don't get the services. >> chris, you know how life works and frankly as well. deadlines influence behavior. we have a march 5th deadline, a six-month time frame. that deadline will influence behavior. there will be a big debate in congress how to deal with the immigration issue, deal with visa over stays, the border security wall. that's how it's supposed to work. now what president trump has said, a federal judge is going to rule this unconstitutional. i didn't want that hard deadline to happen september 5th, yesterday. we've done a six-month time frame. now it's out to march. we have time to have this debate and figure it out. what i hope the end result is something that's consistent with what we told the american people

what we were going to do when they elected us. that's secure the border, deal with the visa overstays. >> he campaigned on ending daca. the question is what will happen next. we'll see which direction you go. you're always welcome to come back and debate this, taxes and other issues for the american people. >> thank you, chris. we're tracking hurricane irma as it barrels through the caribbean with florida in its sites. the governor has declared a state of emergency. people are already stocking up on gas, emptying out store shelves. moments ago president trump tweeted, watching the hurricane closely. >> joins us now, florida governor rick scott. thank you for being here. >> good morning, alisyn. this is a massive storm. this is much bigger than andrew. we're going to have rain.

this is already 185-mile-an-hour winds, much bigger than andrew. we're going to have storm surge we didn't have in andrew. so everybody in florida is going to get prepared. we're having very aggressive at the state level and i hope every citizen in our state will be aggressive. there's just as much a chance it will hit the west coast as the east coast, if you look at all the projected paths. everybody has to take the time and be prepared. the florida keys are already evacuating. miami-dade is evacuating special needs citizens. i want everybody to listen to the local officials. if they say you need to evacuate, evacuate. this storm surge could cover your house. think about your family. we can rebuild homes, we cannot rebuild your family. >> governor, we hear your ominous warnings there. you're obviously no stranger to hurricane. but this one does sound different. this one is the most powerful, our storm watchers and meteorologists tell us, most powerful hurricane ever in the atlantic. this one does seem different,

and so from your -- from where you sit right now -- >> it's big. >> it is big. are there mandatory -- we don't even know if it's going to hit florida. it might hit charleston, south caroli carolina. are there mandatory evacuations? >> we have mandatory evacuations in the florida keys, starting to evacuate citizens in miami. we'll see today more evacuation orders most likely as we look at the path. the pathooh the latest update from the national hurricane center has a path going slightly east, which looks like it will go right up the middle. it looks like for sure it's going to hit the keys. it takes a while to get out of the keys because we only have one road out. i've waived all the tolls across the state. we're trying to make sure all our evacuation routes are open. we're trying to make sure we have all the fuel we need, the water we need, non-perishable food we need so every citizen can be prepared. i want everybody to take this seriously. >> governor, while we have you, because you're in florida and we

know the dreamer issue is important to you and daca. i know you had i think urged the president not to end daca on friday. clearly he took other advise. a vice. are you disappointed? >> i didn't see exactly what came out yesterday because i was focused on irma. i was very specific last week. we do have to secure our border, make sure the citizens that came here not of their own volition, their parents brought them, they have an opportunity to pursue the dream. i don't believe in illegal immigration, but congress has got to act. what president obama did through executive order was not the right way to do this. congress has to come together, secure the borders, do everything to stop illegal immigration. these who come here with their parents, they have to have a chance to pursue their dream in this country. >> governor scott, we'll be following florida. best of luck to your state. >> all right. >> much more hurricane coverage