...or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. if you're still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. now more of my interview with hillary clinton. before the break you heard her say the day the fbi director said he was revisiting the e-mail investigation is the day her campaign's momentum stopped. in a moment i ask her if she thinks he was out to get her personally. but first let's get you caught up on the time line of the e-mails. >> i should have used two accounts, one for personal, one for work-related e-mails. that was a mistake. i'm sorry about that. i take responsibility. >> no matter what hillary clinton said or how many different ways she tried to move on, her e-mail issue just wouldn't go away. >> the american people are sick

and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> wow. >> during the primaries the fbi confirmed they were investigating clinton for using a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state. the investigation was invoked repeatedly by donald trump on the campaign trail and his base loved it. >> what the prosecutors should be looking at are hillary clinton's 33,000 deleted e-mails. >> in july, weeks before clinton was formally nominated, fbi's james comey said criminal charges on he would not recommend charges against clinton. >> we cannot find a case that would call for criminal charges on these facts. >> but he also made sure to condemn her choice to use a personal server. >> although we did not find clear evidence that secretary clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws, there is evidence that they were

extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. >> clinton later responded to comey's comments on fox news. >> after a long investigation, fbi director james comey said none of those things you told the american people were true. >> chris, that's not what i heard director comey say. and i thank you for giving me the opportunity to in my view clarify. director comey said my answers were truthful and what i said is consistent. >> but the e-mail controversy wasn't over. now comey's motives and his timing were questioned. >> we're mistified and confused by the fact pattern that you laid out and the conclusions that you reached. >> it almost looks like a choreography. >> then in september, former new york representative anthony

weiner was caught exchanging sexual explicit messages with an underage girl. he pled guilty to a federal obscenity charge, his wife filed for divorce. as the fbi looked into weiner's activities, thousands of e-mails from abedin were found, the majority backed up on wiener's computers. fbi director comey announced he was reopening his investigation, and informed congress about it in a letter on october 28th, just 11 days before election day. >> had the election been on october 27th, i would be your president. >> you said about james comey that he shived you, that's a strong word. >> it is a strong word. >> and it also implies that it was personal or he was trying to get you. >> he's never been clear about his motivation and what bothered me the most as time went on after the election and we learned more about the open fbi

investigation into the trump campaign and their connections with russia, that had been going on for quite some time. the american people didn't know about it. he was specifically asked why didn't you tell the american people about that investigation? and he said, well, because it was too close to an election. so ask yourself, a closed investigation that ended the prior july, an ongoing investigation into the trump campaign and russia, one deserves to be blown out of proportion, nothing to be found one more time, and the american people don't have the information that there's a legitimate investigation going on about trump and russia before they vote. >> do you think it's personal? do you think it was personal? >> i have no idea. i can't sit here and tell you. i know there had to be some pressure on him because rudy

g.i.uliani announced two days before that let ercame out that something big was coming in two days. and people speculated was he under pressure from giuliani and others within the fbi or the broader law enforcement community? i don't speculate on it. i just talk about how really hard to understand it was and the impact that it had. >> one of the things, though, that director comey gave for that press conference in july was the meeting that your husband had on the tarmac with the attorney general, attorney general lynch. you write about it in the book, but what you don't mention in the book is what you said to your husband when you heard about that meeting. >> i didn't hear about it for days because it was so inconsequential to both of them. and then, when i heard about it, i didn't think much of it. i think it was a rationization that was used to be able to do what he did. what's important to me going forward is, as i say, i think it's important to focus on what happened because lessons can be learned. but the more important lessons

it will affect our democracy going forward are not about him and the investigation. he forever changed history, but that's in the past. what's important is the fact that the russians are still going at us. he himself admitted that before congress. people i really respect like jim clapper and others who knew what the russians were doing have been sounding the alarm. i will tell you this, anderson. if i had been elected president under the same circumstances so that i the lost popular vote, i squeaked through the electoral college and evidence came up that the russians, for whatever reason, were trying to help me, i would have said on the first day in office we're going to launch the most thorough investigation. no nation, particularly an adversary nation, can mess with our democracy. i would have had an independent commission, i would have done everything i could to get to the bottom of it because it's not going to stop. that's what i'm worried about. >> when "usa today," you said, quote, i'm convinced of it.

so i want to be clear, you're convinced there was collusion? >> let me say i'm convinced there was communication. i'm convinced there were meetings and phone calls. i'm convinced that there were financial entanglements. let's wait to see what it's called. i'm convinced that there was something going on. let's put the investigation to one side because, indeed, i have a lot of confidence in the special counsel. i don't know what he's going to end up with. he's a very honorable man. if there's nothing there, there's nothing there. if there is, i think he'll tell us. put that to one side because that's going to listen to it almost doesn't matter. our president, whoever our president is, should be defending our country and standing up and saying nobody messes with america. we are not going to tolerate that. we don't hear any of that coming from the white house. >> because of russia's role, do you think there should be an asterisk next to president trump's name in the history books? >> look, we don't have all the

facts yet. what i believe we now know, they paid for facebook ads. and those were disseminated broadly. we know that they had access to targeting and data information from somewhere, maybe internally, maybe help externally. we know that they had russians pretending to be americans who were online and in person trying to foment negative stories about me. and positive ones about trump. we know there was a huge amount of content being produced in places like macedonia. we know that wikileaks which is basically a front now for putin was more than willing to publish stolen e-mails from the dnc and podesta. and then then those e-mails were weaponized by ridiculous,

absurd, untrue stories being churned out, on and on. there's a lot we know already. >> you followed this extremely closely? >> i started following this back in the summer of 2016 because there was something going on when the dnc hack happened, we had a huge political crisis when republicans physically broke into the democratic party. back in the so-called watergate years. that is different kind of theft. >> do you think this is bigger than watergate? >> i think it's probably bigger than watergate because it is about the future. we no longer are worried about spies and pro-voc tours dress in black with gloves breaking into an office and stealing information. they do it sitting in the offices of the russian military intelligence and other related venues and they get into the core of our life now through the computer networks. >> as you know, republicans will say no vote was ever changed, this did not effect the outcome of the

election. >> i would say two things. this was a highly sophisticated influence operation. i believe it did affect people's votes. >> you think it cost you votes? >> i think it cost me votes. >> the fact those e-mails were -- >> and that they were weaponized. in the book i write about how if you go look at google searches, particularly in some of the battleground states during october and you listen to trump's speeches where he mentioned wikileaks 160 times, they clearly knew that stories that were making stuff up trying to use the e-mails were permeating facebook and other sites. the worst of them was this pizza gate story, where honest to goodness, out of whole cloth made up, they took the word pizza out of one of podesta's e-mails saying we were running a trafficking ring out of a pizza place.

it sounds absurd. millions of people were exposed to that. the horrible hit job, total lies about the clinton foundation, people were affected by that because we could see that the wikileaks searches and a lot of places that were historically swing counties were really rising. i think the influence did affect individual voters. what we don't know yet and we're only beginning to get evidence of is why were the russians intruding into our voter registration roles. we now know that. >> you think this russian interference was not enough to have cost you the election if director comey hadn't reopened that investigation? >> that's what i believe. i believe, though, it became a perfect storm. reopening it, which caused people once again to be obsessed with e-mails and then podesta's e-mails being used to drive all this negative story about me, i think it came together to really kind of make some people queasy, like, oh, my gosh, what if she goes to jail. i heard that so many times.

i talked to reporters who were out there covering the campaign to the very end, and people would say things like, you know, i like her and she's done a good job, but what if she's in jail? and, you know, i knew that was happening, but i thought we would ride it out. >> coming up, more of that interview. what went through clinton's mind with the infamous "access hollywood" tape came out two days before her second debate with donald trump. we'll talk about that next. ♪

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this is carla. how's it going? and if anything comes up, our experts are standing by. ♪ boo! more of my interview with hillary clinton. what were some of the strangest days in american political history. we talk about the infamous "access hollywood" tape. and the debate that came two days later. what she had to say about both after a quick reminder of how we got there. >> hello, how are you? hi. >> october 7, just one month before election day, this video surfaced. >> good. that's better. >> this is much better. >> recorded by "access hollywood" in 2005. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it.

you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. >> two days after the tape is released, donald trump and hillary clinton come face to face in the second presidential debate. trump's team had gone on the offensive hours before the debate even began, holding a press conference with four women, three of whom publically accused bill clinton of inappropriate sexual behavior. the accusers are also guests of honor at the debate seated with the donald trump family in the audience. the two candidates do not shake hands as they enter the stage. when the debate began, the "access hollywood" tape was front and center. this is what hillary clinton said about it. >> i think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. because we've seen this throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women. we've seen him rate women on their appearance, ranking them from one to ten.

we've seen him embarrass women on tv and on twitter. we saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former miss universe in the harshest, most personal terms. so, yes, this is who donald trump is. >> i want to ask you about the second debate which took place two days after. >> you were there. i want to thank you, anderson. i'm hard on the press, as you know from reading the book, in many ways. but a couple of people come in for good description and praise. and i think what you said in the debate, what you said in the beginning needed to be said. and i think people needed that. >> what you're talking about is my first question to donald trump, be which my first question was describing what he talked about. he described as -- that is sexual assault, do you understand that? we wrestled with how to handle

the "access hollywood" tape. i'm wondering, when the "access hollywood" tape came out, two days before this debate, did you wrestle with what to say about it? >> first of all, we were shocked, and we were, you know, totally surprised at something like that existed and had come out. and we did wrestle with it because we wanted to let people see it, we didn't want to get in the way of people being able to draw their own conclusions, but we also wanted to reference it because i found it very troubling both personally and politically. >> do you understand women who voted for donald trump as president even though they heard what he said? do you respect women who voted for donald trump after the "access hollywood" tape? >> here's what i would say about that. i think, what happened after that tape, which was wall to wall

coverage, certainly affected a lot of people. and i think a lot of women were concern ed about that, and i knew it would be tough to -- i won all women, but i lost white women, and i knew that would be tough. but i ended up, actually, getting more white women's votes than obama had in 2012. so this was a longer term democratic nominee problem. so i knew i was going to have to work hard on it. when that happened and the way -- really, it was a horrific two to three day story and then it sort of dropped, because, remember, within an hour of that tape going public. >> wikileaks. >> wikileaks dropped john podesta's e-mails. i struggled with that. i thought, why would somebody find what largely i think could be described as boar ing e-mails more significant than words coming out of trump's mouth. >> also at that debate, it was the most tense room i've ever been in for the first 30

minutes certainly of the debate. you didn't shake hands with each other. and there was the physicality of donald trump walking around the stage. i'm just wondering what was going through your mind at that point. >> well, as i write, i prepared for him to try to use his size and presence to intimidate me, as i was walking out on the debate stage. >> that's something you practiced? >> yes, i practiced. one of the members of my team said, remember, he's trying to get inside your head. i knew that the best way he could respond given what that tape showed was to try to assert the alpha male, it's just locker room talk stuff. so we practiced that. and i concluded after practicing it that i needed to just remain calm and composed because if i said anything that acknowledged it, i was afraid that it would look like i couldn't take it, that i wasn't tough enough, that

this guy was looming over me, i should just be able to proceed. that's what i did. in retrospect, in writing the book, i thought, you know, because my head was running all through the debate. this is really discomforting. this is weird. i've debated other people. what he's doing is deliberately meant to throw me off. maybe i should say something, you know, turn around, you're not going to intimidate me, back off, you creep. but icon colluded no. i wanted to remain composed. >> was it distracting for you? obviously you weren't looking at him. did you see him out of the corner of your eye? >> you could. you could feel the presence. maybe it's a skill that women particularly develop because we have to be aware of our surroundings, i certainly was aware of him. i won the debate according to the the analysts, but as i say in the book, i think that what

he did and what he tried to do, and his insulting me, calling me a nasty woman in a third debate, all of that played to his base. so both the men and women who were in his base in the republican base, they were rationalizing their support for him all the time. it was like, well, yeah it was probably is locker room. look, the director of the fbi says she may go to jail. locker room isn't as bad as that. there was a constant weighing back and forth. he got 90% of the republican vote, in the end i got 90% of the democratic vote and it was in part because i think a lot of people who voted for him said he won't be like that as president, besides we want our tax cuts and we want to make sure that we get a supreme court justice. so i think there was heavy rationalization going on in that last month. >> you spent a lot of time in the book talking about how much comfort your husband gave you throughout the campaign and obviously in the last couple months. you wrote, i know some people wonder why we're still together that we must have an arrangement. we do, it's called a marriage.

that i helped him become president and then stayed so he could help me become president. no. that we lead separate lives, and it's just on paper. no. now he's reading over our shoulder with our dogs underfoot. why did you feel the need to include that in the book? >> i talked about bill and chelsea and my mother and my friends because in the book i have a chapter called on being a woman in politics, where i really do try to take on sexism and misogyny. but i also wand to make it clear, first of all, that putting yourself out there in politics, in public life, can be immensely rewarding. but that's not all that's important in life by any means. so i wanted to really, again, kind of pull the curtain back and say, you know, i lost a presidential campaign that i thought i was going to win, it was devastating, but i have so many blessings in my life,

starting with my husband and the life we built together. >> you also wrote during what you describe as the dark days of your marriage, the two questions you asked yourself is do i still love him and can i stay in this marriage without being unrecognizable to myself. were those easy questions to answer? >> no. they were really hard questions. anybody alive in america at that time knows how difficult that period was. and, you know, i -- i really had to struggle, and i had a lot of angst. i had to fall back on my face, and my family and my friends. but i wasn't going to be making a decision that other people wanted me to make, or public pressure was coming in on me. i was going to make my decision, and it was based on those two questions and the life we had built together. and i'm very glad that that's the way i chose to continue my life. >> chelsea clinton was a surrogate for you during the campaign. ivanka trump was a surrogate for

president trump. if you had won, would chelsea clinton have an office in the west wing? would she be able to drop in on meetings with congressional leaders? >> no. it wouldn't cross her mind. she has an active life. she's written a couple of great books. >> is it appropriate? >> you know, it's up to a president to decide who is or is not welcomed in any meeting. that's up to a president. i can only speak for myself. and the white houses i've been in and the work that i've done. i think there's not enough expertise and experience yet in the white house right now. >> does it concern you that jared kushner -- you worked as secretary of state, on middle east peace, does it concern you that jared kushner seems to be the point person on that? >> it concerns me that the deep well of experience and expertise that our country has to offer, our foreign service has to offer, that outside experts have to offer is largely being disregarded.

if you look at what's happening in north korea, we need to have an intensive diplomatic effort. that requires people who know the culture, the history, the languages that are involved. i don't see that happening. and then you can pick anywhere else in the world and draw the same conclusion. so we are not engaging in state craft the way we need to. it's not that individuals can't be part of teams who may have different expertise or perspectives. that's fine. but teams need to be led by people who understand the history and how we got to where we are in order to make progress. >> in the book you make no attempt to hide your displeasure about the electoral college. you say, on page 386, you say the god forsaken electoral college. you mention winning the popular vote many times in the book. do you think the electoral college should be abolished? >> i said that in 2000 after what happened to the 2000 election with al gore. i was elected to the senate that

same year, and if you look at our recent history, we've had several candidates, nominees, who have won the popular vote and lost the electoral college. what does that say? it says that anachronism that was designed for another time no longer works if we've moved toward one person, one vote, that's how we select winners. i was amused after the french election. when i was listening to an interview with a french electoral expert who said, unlike in your country, the person who wins the most votes, wins. i think it needs to be eliminated. i'd like to see us move beyond it, yes. >> you also mention in the book after you realized you lost, you thought about all the lock her up chants. >> yes. >> and donald trump, at the second debate, said if he was president, you would be in jail. is that something you seriously worried about? >> i knew i had no reason to be worried about it. >> worried that he might make that effort?

>> you can't predict what he might do. i think that's one of t thelesssons we've seen so far in this presidency. like so much else, i just kind of moved beyond that. i got interested in cleaning my closets and taking long walks in the woods, things that helped me recover from that loss. >> coming up, hillary clinton on bernie sanders, the future of the democratic party and whether she thinks president trump will run again in 2020. huh! we gotta go. come on. ♪ "grandma! grandpa!" ♪ thanks mom. here we are. look, right up to here. principal. we can help you plan for that. with 33 individual vertebrae and 640 muscles in the human body

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more now from my one on one interview with hillary clinton. we talked about the two men she faced in 2016, bernie sanders and donald trump and what she thinks about the future of our democracy. >> do you think donald trump has moved beyond the election? he does talk about you still a lot. >> yes, he does talk about me quite a bit. i don't know. i would think he would have a lot more things to spend his time on. he's got crises all around the world to deal with. he's got divisiveness of our country, terrible events of charlottesville and so much else going on that i think he should be focus on rather than constantly trying to take pot shots at me or president obama. he does that quite often, too. >> just a couple quick other

questions. senator sanders, obviously, he has a strong voice in the democratic party. he comes under a lot of criticism against you in the book. what political sin did he commit other than choose to go run against you? >> it's not the political sin he committed. it was the failure to move quickly to unify the party and his supporters. and i know a little bit about this. >> after it was clear -- >> it was clear i was going to be the nominee in march or april. it was beyond any doubt in june. and in '08 we ran a much closer, tougher primary contest between president obama and myself, it was really close, and i immediately endorsed him. and i went to work for him. i spent countless hours, anderson, convincing my supporters who felt equally agrieved that they had to support barack obama. i was still arguing with big rooms of supporters at the denver convention. i didn't get that same respect

and reciprocity from senator sanders or from his supporters. they're still incredibly divisive. >> he did campaign for you, didn't he? i'm interested in what he can do to elect democrats. he's not a democrat, he makes that clear. but we need to do everything possible to win the governorships in new jersey and virginia this year, and we need to do everything possible to flip the congress in 2018. he could be helpful if he so chose, and that's what i'm calling on him to do. >> do you think donald trump will be a candidate in 2020? >> well, he's already got a committee open. he's raising a lot of money. so i think he thinks he will be. we'll have to wait and see what happens. >> to those who hear your interview that is you've done, see the book coming out and think is this what the democratic party really needs, that they need fresh leadership, they need new voices, new people entering the arena, and that by you being on the stage in such a

public way, it hampers that? >> i don't buy that at all. from my perspective, i have a lot of experience and expertise and insight that i'm sharing with the world, and particularly with democrats. i've got a new organization called onward together. i'm supporting young grassroots groups that have sprung up to recruit candidates, train them, run them, fund them. i'm going to be supporting candidates. so i'm maybe out of politics as a candidate but i'm still deeply committed to doing anything i can to make sure that we don't lose ground to this divisive, bias and prejudice and favoring the wealthy and the well-connected over everybody else. as i see on the agenda of this white house. >> one of the things general hidden talks about is the thin veneer of civilization

and he's concerned it's a thin veneer, that we think our institutions are so solid that our democracy is so secure that nothing can upset it? nothing can wipe away that thin veneer of civilization. do you worry about that? >> i worry about it all the time. i've heard mike hayden talk to you about that, and i know he's written about it. it's a very serious, sober warning. civilization, in part, is the institutionalization of the rule of law, of minority rights, of a free press, of the kinds of incredible guarantees that we made as a nation from our very founding. civilization also requires leadership so that when people start engaging in white supremacy talk and they parade as neo-nazis and they're in the

ku klux klan, we need leadership at the higher part of our government to say that's not acceptable. part of what makes us this dynamic extraordinary country which i'm very optimistic about long term is your diversity, is the fact we brought people together from all over to be part of the american dream and the american experiment. so our civilization which has the attributes of the kind of institutional supports and democracy and citizenship and voting being absolutely core to that, has to be defended internally and externally. i'm just hoping that more people, and particularly more republicans will speak up because if we begin to see the erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of our voting system and so much else, that's not going to stop by hurting democrats. that hurts our entire country. it undermines who we are as americans. so i think people like mike

hayden and as many others as possible need to be standing up and speak out. >> senator clinton, thanks. >> joining me is gloria borger and carl bernstein. senior political director david chalian. gloria, does it seem to you that hillary clinton is more candid than she was as a candidate and throughout much of her public life? >> she seemed to be so much more conversational with you, and she seemed to be unburdened, to a degree. i mean, she's clearly gone through so much. but one thing about losers, people who lose elections, i've spent a lot of time interviewing those people, unlike politicians looking for the next race, they sit back and think about what happened because they have the time to do it. and it's clear, not only because she was writing this book, but there are lots of walks in the woods as she talks about, and that she has given this an awful

lot of thought. so i did see somebody different there who wasn't on the high wire as she put it. >> carl, how about you? you wrote the book about her. do you see any difference? >> well, first of all, it's an admirable book, and it's very revealing in many ways. and she's introspective, which is something she's never demonstrated before. >> she's funny at times. >> and like your interview, she comes across with the most admirable aspects of her intelligence, her conversational manner as well as her ability to synthesize ideas and analyze politics. what never comes through, though, in the book and in the interview is that she made it possible for donald trump to be president. the shortcomings were hers. that she should never have been

in a position where comey could have taken advantage of the server. she put it out there for comey to investigate. it was her conduct that did that in the first place. so some of the things that she goes to others for, had they not been in place by her actions, including even with the russians. she's going to turn out, i think we're about to find out that the russians were a lot more effective than is commonly believed in this election, and she knows some things too. that's evident, and i think i know from people that she knows some things that the intelligence community knows about what was done and about where some of these investigations are heading. but nonetheless, she allowed donald trump to become president of the united states through her own weaknesses, call it character, call it an inability to campaign effectively, her actions -- >> david, do you think she takes responsibility enough? >> she certainly does in the book. i mean, she goes through a whole list of the mistakes that she believes wholeheartedly are hers and identifies them. i don't think he's quite as

passionate about those mistakes as the external factors that she talks about. those grievances get her most passionate writing administrate book than her own faults. this notion -- where you starred the interview with her, this notion of 25 years on the public stage and we are now -- i can't imagine that hillary clinton ever in the campaign would give you a demonstration of alternative nostril breathing ever. you look at that moment -- >> i got to say we were discussing -- my producers and i were asking whether or not to ask that question because it is in the book. it's a funny part in the book. i was like, she's not going to demonstrate it. one of our producers said, she might. >> if you know her, that aspect of her, that playful aspect of her has always been there. she's never been able to bring it to the table in terms of her politics. >> that's the thing that people

always said about her -- >> everyone who knows her have seen it. she's funny, she's really funny. >> i think you saw that tonight when she was doing her demonstration. i also think it has something with being a woman. because the ability to be introspective and not to just say, i'm moving on to the next thing and we're going to do this and i have my organization, she actually made it very clear how much this hurt her and how she was trying to get over it. and yes, i think she did in the book and in your interview talk about things like the e-mails. clearly she can't get away from that, but it's very clear how much time she has spent thinking about what she did wrong and what happened to her. and she's quite open about it. i think part of that has to do with gender. >> she knows she bears some responsibility beyond what she says in the book. i've talked to enough people that she's talked to.

i mean, she has a pretty good idea of how she made herself vulnerable. that's the real point. and yet, we see her here, the brilliance of her analysis of what happened including the racism, including the misogyny, it's all really there. it's demonstrable the more we learn. it's not made up. >> i thought the sexism and misogyny stuff was the most interesting stuff from the interview, anderson, because she even said, you know, i wasn't sure i wanted to write about this because people would say you're making an excuse, yet she did dedicate a chapter to it and delve into it with you. i thought, i'm sure hillary clinton has these thoughts all the time throughout her career, but she never really publicly shared them, the deep thinking about those kinds of societal things. and we got that from her, listening to her in a way -- >> former president obama will he discuss race in a different way now that he's no longer president when he's writing a

book and looking back? as president he was very measured and careful in what he was saying. it will be interesting to see if time -- >> i'm sure he will. because you're not looking for the next vote or the next campaign. you're not -- it's not a career move anymore. the book she's written in the past have been career moves. they've been about what's going to happen next and resume building. >> they're not very good books. >> he'll be looking to solidify a legacy. >> i was dreading reading this >> i will book. i read it over the weekend and i actually enjoyed it. >> it's a good read. there are times when there's sanctimony. >> we'll take a break. the white house is slamming hillary clinton's new book. how they're firing back, next. we danced in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen.man. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree.

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the white house is firing back at hillary clinton over her memoir in the 2016 election. as you saw in my interview with her, she isn't shy about going after the white house, and the

people in the west wing have taken know fi taken notice. >> i think that type of misunderstanding of who this president is and, frankly, a misunderstanding of what he's been doing is exactly why hillary clinton isn't is it the president and is instead pushing a book with a lot of false narratives and a lot of, i think, false accusations and placing blame on a lot of other people instead of accepting it herself. >> back now with the panel. just before the break when i said i was dreading reading this book, but i actually enjoyed it, i just dread reading any political look-back book because usually to your point earlier it's about i'm about to run for president so i write a book that hardly anybody reads, but us reporters are the ones that have to read it. >> right. first of all, it's an interesting book because everyone wants to know what she was thinking and she delivers on that. because she does let you know how painful it was and what she was thinking. and how she really feels about comey. >> the fact she was sitting

there at the inauguration on the flat form think ing about other failed candidates going back all the way to john adams. >> right and how all these people mistreated her and she didn't let them get away with it. >> and she spent time not making eye contact with people who were cruel to her. >> let's look at what sarah huckabee-sanders just said there because she's wrong, sarah huckabee-sanders, because hillary clinton's analysis and what she asserts about donald clinton -- donald trump in this book is on the money. she's got him. she's got the information, she's got the analysis, she talks about the racism he appeals to and what's happened during his presidency and about russia. she knows what she's talking about and it's really on point. but what she doesn't do is recognize that she may have been the wrong person all along to carry the message against donald trump. she's not effective at it as a campaigner. she wasn't. and i'm not sure that she would

be today. look she has been the most famous woman in the world for 25, 30 years. she is as much or more of a celebrity going into this as donald trump was. and she's evaluated partly for having been in this bubble for 30 years, the charges against her being entitled, acting entitled. there's something to it. there's something about the arrogance there that she's vulnerable on but she is right about what she says about donald trump. >> when she says things in this book, i mean she's certainly talking about bernie sanders in a way she wasn't talking about him during the campaign. you can take issue with the facts of what she's saying or whether she should be saying but she gets criticized if she holds back and doesn't say stuff. but when she does write stuff, like about bernie sanders, people think, oh, she's gone too

far. she shouldn't have said that. >> it is interesting hearing just how irksome the bernie sanders primary challenge was to her and still is to this day. i mean she clearly -- >> and that he didn't support her like once it was clear he wasn't going to win. >> right, as she said to you, didn't offer the same level of respect by quickly moving to support her and consolidate his supporters to support her in the way that she thinks -- she did with broke. still making the point that he's not a democrat, challenging him of what he needs to do for the democratic party. this is somebody who still, to this day, to hear talking with you, is under her skin. >> i think she decided if i don't do it now, i'm never going to do it. you're either all in or you're not. in the book, she also criticizes, for example, joe biden, who she says criticized her. >> she settled some scores. >> she does settle some scores but i think she probably made the decision now or never. and it's going to be now and i'm

going to tell the truth about how i really felt, and people are going to get angry at me, and there it is. so what? >> part of the thing that happened with bernie sanders and during that primary campaign was a lot of focus on her speeches to the goldman sachs groups. and, again, she put herself in that position. bernie sanders didn't put her there. she didn't need that money. she's the one that said to diane sawyer out of the gate, well, we left the white house dead broke, you know. she made these errors, and that set her up for a lot of things that occurred. she's never been a good candidate in terms of anything like her husband, and she was in many ways the worst possible candidate to run against donald trump. >> we got to go. thanks, everybody. coming up, we're going to go back to florida. bill weir got on a boat this weekend. he's made it to the end of the keys, all the way to key west. he's timely off that boat, has

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island chain. it's hard to get to some places by car. bill weir did the next best thing. he got on a boast this week to travel the entire length of the keys. he's finally arrived at the end in key west. he joins us now. bill, what have you seen? >> reporter: well, anderson, you know, when we left key largo, it was truly a trip into the heart of darkness. we had heard rumors there were dozens of bodies floating. the destruction was unfathomable, but the result is so much happier than that. it could have been so much worse. everyone we talked to, not one person knows of someone who perished in irma. i talked to the pilot, the guy who leads the ships into key west harbor. he says the channels are clear to bring ships in with humanitarian aid. we had a supply delivery come all the way down. they drove u.s. 1 and reported the roads are in really good shape and when they're not, they're being fixed immediately. the seven mile bridge held. we had water for two hours

today. so the luxury of actually washing our faces for the first time since irma was over cuba. but it's still a big job ahead. i finally got a chance to look at some of my photos we've been taking along the way as we followed that sort of line of tragic flotsam blown onto u.s. 1. we met billy the fireman picking up his toilet paper holder off the ground in sort of a stunned daze. and that box with the baby book from the 1950s. then there was dub at the seapoint condominium there in marathon, florida, who rode it out as it was sandblasted into the elevator, the height of your chest. the first thing he did once irma left is hang old glory. there's also an american flag in this shot here. this is key west. just so many destroyed yachts, so many new shipwrecks here, but this was the scene right outside our boat today. people swimming, having a good time, as they do in key west.

and i do have to say if you feel for the folks in the florida keys, you want to help out, of course there are humanitarian organizations, or you can hire a guy like captain bam bam and his girlfriend, tiffany, who hooked us up when we met. the sea spirit. this guy risked his livelihood, anderson, to bring us down here. no idea what would happen to his boat, and these guys rely on the health of these waters and the health of this economy. so everybody i've met, all the locals want the rest of the country to know they're okay and they're going to be open for business as soon as they can clean up this very big mess. >> bill, dare i ask why they call him captain bam bam? >> reporter: because he played middle linebacker at key largo high school football and hit like fred flintstone's kid. bam, bam, right? >> yep. >> bill, i love the fact that you just knew that, that you didn't even have to ask because clearly you had already asked

him that because that's the kind of reporter you are. bill weir. >> we've been roommates for the past four days, man. >> please thank captain bam bam and his girlfriend. thanks for watching 360. our coverage continues with cnn newsroom. hello, everyone. i'm isha sesay live in los angeles. we'd like to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. >> and i'm michael holmes in san juan in puerto rico where we are continuing to cover the fallout from hurricane irma. and san juan is an important place because it is a staging area in many ways. a lot of the aid going out to these devastated islands comes from here. and a lot of the evacuees are arriving here. in fact, later today, 2,000 evacuees from various places, most