trump white house. john mccormick from the weekly standard. appreciate you coming on. all right the latest on the terror attack in the london tube. "new day" has it covered for you right now. good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day this friday, september 15th, 6:00 here in the east. we do begin with breaking news for you. there has been a terror incident on a train in west london, according to british officials. witnesses describe panic and chaos after a small explosion and fire broke out inside a commuter train. >> police say there are injuries. emergency responders at the scene. it unfolded in rush hour. it was packed at the parsons green station. erin mcloughlin at the scene. what do we know now? >> reporter: chris, the terror

incident happened at 8:20 this morning, which is rush hour here in london. eyewitnesses describe a small explosion that took place on board one of the trains. as it stopped and the doors opened to let passengers out and more passengers in, this one particular eyewitness describing multiple injuries. as many as 20 injured. primarily burn injuries from a fire. now, a still photo from one of the eyewitnesses put out on twitter shows a rather rudimentary type of device. a bucket inside some sort of shopping bag with wires hanging out of it. we are waiting to hear from authorities on the nature of that device and the connection to this incident. as you can see behind me, i'm a five-minute walk away from the station in question. authorities have set up a far-reaching security perimeter. there continues to be a heavy

security presence. police cars and advance down that way. you can hear helicopters overhead. authorities continue to take no chances. in terms of who was behind what seems to have been a terror incident, it is entirely unclear. authorities simply have not said how many people, if made any arrests, or how many people could have been involved. chris and alyson? >> theresa may, the p.m. put that label on it. we will check back as there are more developments. >> joining us now is cnn peter burgen. there are scant details at the moment about what happened here. when you hear witnesses say there was a bucket of some kind with wires hanging out, they describe -- okay. there you go. we're looking right now through the window of a subway door at what looks like a small fire

inside of some sort of container or bucket. pet peter, what if any, conclusions are you drawing at this hour? >> reporter: alyson, we haven't had a trust attack on the london underground system for 12 years now. you'll recall the 2005 attack directed by al qaeda. they killed 52 commuters. they used hydrogen bombs. this is serious but not as serious as that attack. it would be interesting to see what the basis of this was. was it a hydrogen peroxide bomb. a signature of eyes on his directed attack the last three raoers in paris in 2015, brussels in 2016. or is it more of a homegrown attack in which they got some kind of bomb recipe off the

internet and it didn't succeed quite to the degree that they wanted. obviously, an attack in the middle of rush hour is designed to kill as many people as possible. reports suggest that didn't happen. >> peter, they went quickly to it as a terror investigation. what does that tl yell you? it is burning a regular orange carbon flame. we can't see anything from the burnoff whether there is a specific chemical involved that made them think this had a degree of sophistication to it. what do you make of such a quick decision to call it terror? >> reporter: well, as you know, chris, we have had five terrorist attacks the last year or so in london. we have had quite a number of attacks that have been foiled. the british government is on high alert. they obviously came to this conclusion pretty quickly

because they are very concerned and they are trying to be proactive. >> we have it blown up here in our studio of everyone looking through the subway car. it is your standard mop bucket. orange flames are coming out of it. it is right there in the muddle of a subway car. so does that suggest to you something amateurish? >> reporter: yeah, it does. but amateurish can still kill people and certainly injure them. many attacks that have succeeded or foiled have been homegrown attacks where there is more of an isis inspiration than an isis direction. the isis directed attack in

paris in 2013, 130 people were killed. in 2016 in brussels, 32 people were killed. so this kind of attack is relatively easy to organize and tends to be a homegrown attack, which it seems look look like that. >> peter, thank you very much. as we get more details, we will give them to you to process for us. appreciate that. this is note the only breaking news. we have another development out of north korea. another missile over japan. this is the thirds since president trump made his fire and fury warning last month. cnn's will ripley live in tokyo with the latest. the range on this one, the direction of this one both causing alarm for authorities. >> reporter: that's right, chris. this is the fartherest a missile

has gone. 2,300 miles, flying over the japanese island of hokkaido in northern japan, down the pacific ocean. the 2,300 mile figure is important because that is the distance roughly from north korea to the u.s. territory of guam. an island with 160,000 plus u.s. citizens, andersen air force base, key military assets that have come under north korean threat. this is sendsing a direct message to the united states. they have a reliable missile that can travel all the way to that key u.s. territory. in japan, be terrifying morning for people living in hokkaido. these are the sights and sounds they woke up to. listen. (sirens).

>> this is the first time, the first time since world war ii that air raid sirens have been going up in just a couple of weeks. they would not think they would find themselves going through this again, the only country to have been targeted by a nuclear bomb. north korean rhetoric threatening to sink the islands of japan using the nuclear bomb of the north korea an ruling eye dealing and threat epping the united states saying continued pressure in terms of additional rounds of sanctions simply will not work. and they are promising more weapons of mass destruction, at least more tests in the coming months. and perhaps even sooner than that. >> will, thank you very much for the reporting. we'll be back momentarily. u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson calling on china and russia to take direct action

against north korea as they plan another emergency meeting for today. barbara starr is live. what are they saying, barbara? >> reporter: good morning, alyson. we have yet to hear directly from president trump since this missile firing took place. but secretary of state rex tillerson issuing a statement. the secretary saying, "these continued provocations only deepen's north korea' diplomatic and economic use hraeisolation. united nations security council resolutions represent the floor not tot ceiling, of the actions we should take. we call on all nations to take new measures against the regime. china and russia must indicate their intolerance for these reckless missile launches by taking direct actions of their own. trying to put the chinese and russians under pressure. no indication it is is going to

work better this time than the previous calls for this. the question really is kim john un's motivation. most analysts, a key administration officials will tell you kim has no intention of giving up his program. he believes his nuclear program can threaten the west to the negotiating table. alyson, chris? >> barbara, thank you very much. the play on the north korean side pretty obvious what is going to be the response. that's the open question. let's bring back will ripley, colonel steve rwarren and generl c kipling. why didn't the u.s. take this missile out? they knew it was there. the vice president was shown the missile. what is the plus/minus on a move like that? >> it's interesting, chris, because i think a lot of americans will say, law, let's

just take these things out as we're ready to launch them. you have a threat toward north korea that could result in a rapid escalation of actions but them and by others. this is one of those kinds of things. assume going to get a little geeky on you and quote sun sue. in a thousand battles you'll never be be defeated. this is a calculating and threatening risk takerettes protection against regime change. he wants legitimacy on the world stage and wants to reunite the korean peninsula under him. we're talking about russia and china. as barbara just stated, there have been more announcements bisect tillerson. interestingly enough, our friends in russia have just invited japan, china, south korea, and north korea to an economic forum last week in east

russia right after the u.n. vote. so they are not doing anything. in fact, they are trying to portray themselves as the peacemaker disrupting further what the u.s. is trying to. china is not going to do much more than they have already done because so many people have already said they want a secure korean peninsula. they would rather have that than anything else going on. the united states has not done much more other than get a very good u.n. vote. but the action from the u.n. is going to have to be seen as something occurring versus just a vote in a building in new york. so a lot of things are taking place. not much changes. there's got to be more coordination among the players in the area. that's not happening, especially with russia and china. we don't have an ambassador south korea to help along this issue as well. >> colonel, this is why it seems to in tractable to americans and the international community. if you can't do anything

proactive by blowing up the missile when it's sitting at the airport ready to fire 2,300 miles over japan and you can't do anything reactive after they fire it, and the sanctions, these emergency meetings of the u.n., though obviously they're not fully in place yet, don't seem to be changing kim jong-un. what's the solution? >> what's the next step. this is awe difficult road to go down. north koreans, if they have shown us anything over the years, it is that they are willing to withstand pain. we have been applying sanctions in various ways, shapes and forms since the middle '90s where they went through this horrific famine where almost 10% of their population was wiped out. yet they continued. they continued to march down this path of missile development and nuclear weapon development. they have shown us, and will has

been to north korea. i have looked but only from the south down the barrel of a gun. we know they have demonstrated their resilience, their ability to withstand this pain. so now we are casting about and trying to find the right combination of pressure directly to the north korea ans. pressure on other areas of the region, china and russia, and bringing in friends, partners and allies into this mix and creating a battle wave of pressure that we hope can begin to turn the north koreans. but i think this idea of a nuclear-free peninsula has become a little bit of a dream at this point. what we need to do is look to what can our strategy be going forward that contains this threat and that works the counterproliferation piece. it does not allow them to move these nuclear weapons, missile technologies to other rogue nations. >> it's more than just the

missiles and what they can fit on the mu admissiotpheug mu adm. they have the bomb and they believe they can put together a major munition, a bomb. that changes the calculus as well. >> it does. there is a roux threat, chris. i think the united states would certainly react because they have no other choice. a bomb on top of a muss ill threatening the u.s. or allies. that would cause action. what we are seeing is an attempt by kim jong-un to go right to the edge. in this case, especially the last few missiles that have gone over japan, in my view, those are threats. what you are seeing is the japanese could have the potential of an accident over their territory. there's is something that says big sky, little bullet. that could hit an airplane if it

hasn't been announced beforehand. a lot of things could go wrong. in that case you would see reaction from the united states with military and other means. >> again, what is the u.n. or the security council likely to do here? >> well, what can they do really? they just passed their latest round of sanctions. and north korea and north korean officials told me just a couple of days ago when i spoke about this that the sanctions will not work. it will only cause them to accelerate their weapons program. they pointed out even if you cut off all trade to the country, this missile that could carry an h bomb, thintercontinental ballistic missile, they call it a homemade h bomb. they say they don't need to import the components to continue producing these weapons even if everything cut off. you're cutting off seafood, lead, coal, iron. we know the black market, illegal trade, is continuing because money is still throwing

into the country. i saw plenty of cars on the streets of the capital. people are enjoying a higher living standard than they were a year ago despite round after round of sanctions. the north korean leader is doubling down on these weapons of mass destruction. this test was just one more example of that. and if he doesn't get the recognition he saoeeeks, we cou see more provocative displays of north korea. which of course then could be problematic, catastrophic even. >> gentlemen, thank you very much for being with us. we'll follow it throughout the day. >> president trump reigniting the charlottesville controversy, blaming both sides for the deadly violence. why is he thrusting himself back into this racial storm? we're going to discuss all of this next. kevin, meet your father.

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president trump going back to the both sides are to blame line for the deadly violence in charlottesville last month. just hours later, the president did condemn white supremacists and hate groups. cnn's sara murray live at the white house with more. what's the take on this? >> reporter: well, chris, a little bit of whiplash as the president revived this controversy talking about violence on the both sides at the tragic event that unfolded in charlottesville and then signing a resolution condemning white supremacy. president trump reviving his assertion that both sides were to blame for the deadly violence between white supreme sifts and th those opposing him in charlottesville. >> you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> reporter: while praising his meeting with senator tim scott

aboard air force one, he reignited a low point in his presidency. >> i think especially in light of the advent of antifa, if you look at what's going on there, you have some pretty bad dudes on the other side also. a lot of people were saying -- in fact, a lot of people have actually written, gee, trump might have a point. >> reporter: scott fiercely criticized the rhetoric responding, that's who he is. i didn't go in to change who he was. it comes as the "new york times" reports new details of the president's outburst at attorney general jeff sessions during a may 17th oval office meeting. that's when he learned that robert mueller was being appointed as special counsel of the russia investigation. the report reveals, mr. trump unleashed a string of insults in front of the vice president and other aides, accusing sessions of disloyalty, calling him an idiot and sawing he should resign. sessions, who offered his resignation, later describing it as the most humiliating

experience in decades of public life. cnn first reported back in june that the two men had a series of heated exchanges. in the weeks after sessions recused himself from the russia probe. both publicly painting a rosier picture of their relationship. >> he is great. we had a good time with him. >> it is what it is. it's fine. >> reporter: earlier this month, the president elevating sessions as the front man on his decision to end protections for d.r.e.a.m.ers, now leaving him out to dry as he strikes a deal in can exchange for border security. >> we're renovating large sessions. and there will be brand-new by the time we finish. >> reporter: despite the recent chumminess, he says he is not backing down on renovating the wall. >> if the democrats don't won't

do it. >> we're not talking about amnesty at all. >> reporter: now, the president has a big legislative agenda ahead of immigration and tax reform on the table. and he has a big day ahead of him as he heads to the joint base andrews. back to you, chris and alyson. >> sara, thank you very much. let's bring in maggie haberman. maggie, great to see you. let's start with what happened with senator item scott. so the president apparently feels very strongly, since he keeps talking about it, that antifa, the group protesting the white supremacists, because they resort to violence, antifa does, he feels strongly that he needs to keep saying he thinks they're

bad and condemning him. he made that point over and over. >> right? but it's just interesting timing. that is what he wanted to talk about hours after meeting with senator scott who went to meet the president to impress on him on what pain the white supremacists inflicted. >> i thought -- i was really struck by the senator's statement yesterday in particular about this is who he is. that i think is what most people come away with from hearing the president talk. this is the way he is. he instinct itch youively, both sides. he sounds like he is saying all violence is equal. this is not just about whether people are violent. it is is about certain attitudes and beliefs about race that are propelling violence on one side. and while the tactics used by

antifa can be discussed, the basic idea is that a lot of people who are at those protests were protesting racism and -- it was awe counterprotest to things that strung up up in charlottesville. when he gets an idea in his head, it is hard to get him off of it even if it sounds reassuring or like what he is supposed to be saying previously. >> well, let's be clear. he may not think he's right. he just doesn't want to be wrong. anybody who has known the man for a long time -- >> that's right. >> -- he has always been this way. it would be hard to ascribe any profound thoughts about the nature of the alt-right or right wing extremism. i doubt he spent a lot of time thinking about what his position is on it. but he is called out as wrong, he is going to fight and he doesn't air whaet causes.

it is is almost intellectually dishonest. he said something. he got in trouble for it. he's going to keep fighting just like roy comb told him to. >> you're saying i'm being intellectually dishonest. >> maggy, you couldn't be intellectually dishonest if you tried. i'm sawing the idea that he is a contrarian. maybe he is just taking the other side. that's not who he is. >> no, i think we're saying the same thing. when somebody tells him -- i'm saying what you said. when somebody tells him he is wrong, he immediately says what about xyz, his default position was some form of what aboutism. that is the one he is expressing. whether he has thought about it or the reasons why he is saying it, when you're president at theened of the day, it doesn't matter. months and months his aides

saying you need to understand where he's coming from. tim scott is trying to say you need to see where other people are coming from. >> let's talk about your new reporting between president trump and attorney general jeff sessions. this is not what jeff sessions had in mind when he jumped in first, all in to support candidate donald trump, later being being berated and publicly humiliated. >> my colleague mike trent and i discovered while both of them, the white house and the department of justice, tried to down play all of this at the time and we had initially reported that the president was fuming at sessions over what he saw as this original sin on the russia probe, we have a ton more information in terms of what happened. the depth of this. and he saw it through something

specific, disloyalty. that was the word he used. people have gotten focused on the word idiot, which is obviously very demeaning. but the president just saw this as a personal act of disloyalty to him as opposed to a public official somebody who is supposed to be a guard crayon of the public trust, doing their job and stepping away from the investigation where they could have a problem they said they were very surprised that the president seemed off guard by this. the president seized on what sessions didn't reveal in his senate hearings about his own meetings with the russian ambassador. that was problematic. there is a dire on supporters and allies to say this is old news. or you don't learn anything new from this. this is not typical or normal to have a president and his attorney general engaged in this kind of friction. it just suspect.

so we have obviously had over history presidents who have thought with their attorney general. this is just a different magnitude. this is all important toward understanding how this president functions. >> i think you are doing a service by cataloging it. you can connect charlottesville and with what is happening with sessions. the president is completely focused on protecting himself. that's what he does. but saying antifa equivalent is not good, good for me. your ag you shouldn't attack because he was your only supporter. it matters to everything we will see. it will project on everything he does. >> what i think it matters, two things. all three of us are very well aware of this, he has a side that can be charming, funny and

engaging and warm. and then he has a side that can be cruel and, dreamily difficult for the people who work for him. that is one piece. yes, on the other side of it, he has expressed an enormous amount of anxiety about this russia probe. it doesn't mean he is guilty. but the people who support him, who work for him, many will say i don't believe he's done anything here. i don't understand why he is behaving this way. it does speak to a mind-set. >> if they read your reporting, they will understand better. maggie, thank you very much. >> residents of the florida keys, we can't forget them. there will be other breaking news. the president will say things. don't forget about those who were hit by hurricane irma. the latest next. what started as a passion

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the problem was the storm. now it's time. it is waiting for things to happen despite the best efforts. fema says every house in the keys was somehow impacted by this monster storm. martin satisfiayvage is live. what are you finding? >> reporter: this is a place you will run into friction for those wanting to return and those saying, wait a minute. there are other check points that will stop these folks. electricity is starting to come back. the two power companies here in the florida keys, the one that covers the northern keys, they have 40% back.

key west went from 12% to 20%. 70% of their customers still have no electricity. they have other problems down there. let's get to the frustration building here. pau because you hear that kind of progress, residents say, come on, i want to go home. they still don't have good water to drink and no water as far as sanitation. historically those have killed more people than anything else. the medical facilities don't have the power or staffing yet to take on the medical emergencies that would likely come from thousands of people returning from damaged homes. that's why health officials and county officials are saying you can't go back yet. it would be a worst disaster. >> great information and warning, martin. thank you for that. >> tropical storm jose is threatening to regain hurricane strength? chad myers has the latest

forecast. what are you seeing with this one? >> it will be north and east of the last one, irma. so florida no real threat at this point. we're still seven days out for any possible land contact. 70 miles per hour. not forecast to become a major hurricane. doesn't get into the warm weather until it gets farther north. if you look at the cone, it still touches the u.s. from cape hatteras to cape cod and nontuckett. we saw it go to the west coast, east coast, west coast, back and forth with irma. there are the models. talk a look at all of then. we put them in a graphic situation here. nothing all that important yet. but this is seven days away. now i take you to the european model which did so good with that last storm. close to nantucket and the cape and making a loop. but the size of the dot getting smaller, which means the storm will be getting smaller.

remember, this here is incomes friday. so a long time before anything happens. >> that's what we're looking at. we're a week out from being able to predict with any kind of certainty where it will be. >> four days out from that prediction, seven days out until any land fall. >> i loved you before, but now i am a whole type of different disciple. chad, thank you very much, my friend. i appreciate what you did for us down there also. >> great work, chris. thanks a lot. >> new details emerging about the white house dinner that you had president trump, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi. it wasn't about so much who was there as to who was not there. what's the current state of play? maggie haeuber man has new reporting next.

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chaos. conservatives outraged over president trump saying he's willing to make a deal with democrats to protect d.r.e.a.m.ers in exchange for massive border security. even if it doesn't include a wall and even if it doesn't include the republican leadership. the president says we'll do daca now, the wall will come later. let's discuss what apparent strategy is at play. "new york times" maggie haberman. this is the most ambitious play we have seen by the president. this is the first time against his own party. what's your read?

>> i think you're right, chris. you both have seen this over many months. he's very frustrated by the grid lock in washington. every president ends up a little surprised at how difficult things can be with progress. although things have is gotten much more difficult over the last decade. and i think this president believed he had the same party rule in congress that he controlled both houses. he was a republican. this shouldn't be that hard. he is genuinely frustrated with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. clearly the feeling is mutual. the initial health care bill failure when it was pulled from a vote was very, very irritating to him. it was a lesson for him. he wished he had done tax reform. and he was pushed to do aca first. he did campaign on all of these things. but he was new to washington. he was transactional.

schumer is as well. we are a ways away from awe deal despite ohio this is being described. paul ryan is absolutely right. it is at least moving the conversation forward and turning the welcome wheels at least a bit. it is not great for members of the president's cabinet like jeff sessions who had been the champion of ending daca, describing it as unconstitutional. i don't think he wants to see a version of the d.r.e.a.m. act passed. i do think for all the criticism he president receives, a lot of it justified on how he has played to a partisan base. this is an effort early. we will see whether it continues or lasts. this is some form of an effort to be bipartisan and to at least be in discussion with the other side. that is generally what with he look for in our presidents. >> maggie, do we have any sense

how the president is feeling about conservatives's heads exploding about this. we go pull up the breitbart headlines. steve bannon. >> who only supports the president. >> trump supporters begin burning maga hats in protest against amnesty-for-no-wall deal with dems. you have become the swamp as the hat make america great again burns. what is the president's reaction to this? >> it is not clear how much he is seeing. john kelly, chief of staff, is trying to limit what he gets in his clips file. we are not seeing the same side channels of information. i do know there are people with whom he speaks. it's never clear how frequently he talks to some people. but there are people who are letting him know that the base is very upset. look, it is going to be weighing the equities in the president's

brain. he likes to be liked. he is happy with good reviews over who he calls chuck and nancy. whether that equity weighs out over criticism from his political base. i'm sure the pendulum will swing back at some point, but i don't think it has yet. >> one thing is clear and one thing isn't. the steve bannon on "60 minutes". that was hollow talk if there ever was. something not as clear, at least not to me. maybe i'm just waterlogged. if this was the strategy for the president, i know i'm going to upset is people, but i'm going to get some points on the board and then everyone will want to come and play. when the conservatives get upset saying what did you do the democrats, this is what we will see. he blew up his own spot. he said no deal, no deal. he wound up making them look

foolish. and i don't know how that helped him. >> well, except that remember he said no deal in a tweet. but then he did this quick gaggle with reporters where he said essentially we do have a deal. didn't say deal. it was an agreement in principle that everything had been said the night before. we are used to this president spewing out different, often contradictory messages. it is why support, historically have listened to the parts they wanted to hear and ignore the rest. he believed he would be with them ultimately on policy. at the moment with daca, that's not what we are seeing. it is not clear that the president fully understood that initially. we will see where this ends up legislatively. >> maggie, thank you for sharing all your reporting with us. >> all right. so the president trying to find his way down the legislative

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at, you know, really what's happened since charlottesvillings a lot of people are saying -- in fact, a lot of people have written, gee, trump might have a point. i said, you have some very bad people on the other side also, which is true. >> let's discuss this with simone sanders and ed martin author of the conserve is active case for trump. good to see both of you. simone, hard to know if tim scott's message was received by the president. what did you hear in his comments there? >> well, i actually agree with tim scott in that you can't expect, you know, donald trump's heart and/or mind or what he thinks about in general to overnight. he is who he is. i believe he repeated the comments about there being violence on many sides and talking about antifa protesters because that's what he really believes. >> that's true. there was violence on both sides. >> there was violence on both sides. one side was the white

supremacist side, and the other side was tee tpa. only one side was yelling blood and soil. only one side believes in an ethnic khraepbtsing to remove everybody but white men from america. >> yeah. >> and that is the problem here. it seems as though he is continue to go equate antifa with white supremacists. that is not what he should be doing. >> the president, while he recognizes violence on both sides, he doesn't draw the distinction between the ideology and the antifascists who are fighting that. that is the knew answer that he always seems to lose in this discussion. >> i was listening to chris earlier talking with maggie about trump is somebody who fights for his position and is not clear to anybody. if you come to a rally with a

hood on, you're trying to hide your shame. you're going 24r. you're shameful. trying to hide who you are and probably trying to commit crimes. if the hood is white or the hood is black, then you have a problem. >> oh, no. >> antifa comes to these rallies with a black hood, they're not coming because they are proud of their ideology. i disagree with you that antifa said the reason they're protesting is because of thoughtful ideology on white suprema supremacy. white supremacists and kkk should be denounced. but antifa when they come and commit violence, and nancy pelosi and donald trump, i agree with. >> i don't think antifa is great. no democrats have you heard defending antifa. it is not the same if you have a

white hood or black hood. we cannot continue to normalize white supremacy. >> nobody is doing that. i'm telling you what i heard and probably millions out there have heard. >> can i tell you what i mean? >> go ahead. >> the difference between hitler and stalin, i can't weigh them. when tim scott says kkk is worse, i believe him. hitler and stalin deserve their place in hell. and antifa and kkk deserve no place in america. that's what nancy pelosi said and that's what you said. >> i don't want you to speak for pelosi and i certainly don't want you to speaking for me. what saying and what many folks have said is the president and

other folks cannot continue to seemingly equate the violence of an tee that and the violence and ideology of white supremacists. when the president repeatedly brings up there were bad dudes on the other side as well and antifa was bad, that's equating it. you can have a separate conversation about violence and antifa. but we cannot and shall not equate it with anything else. >> tim scott put out a statement on twitter. let me just read it so everybody understands where he's coming from. in yesterday's meeting, he was very clear about the brutal history surrounding the white supremacist's movement and their more risk treatment of black and other minority groups. rome wasn't built in a day, and to expect the conversation to change based on one 30-minute conversation is unrealistic.

antifa is bad and should be condemned. but, but white supremacists have been killing and tormenting black americans for century. >> i spent time with him. i really see the ability to tes the ranking. i agree with him. all the an fee ta violence, any violence is bad. so the kkk and white sprepl su. i'm all for condemning all of efpl them. some people showed up and burned buildings down. those people need to be condemned, but not the people that are worried. we are having this great conversation and donald trump is the reason. >> we appreciate the debate. symone, ed, thank you very much. there has been a terrorist incident in london on a train. the latest details and president

trump's response in moments.

good morning. welcome to your new day. it is friday, september 15th, 7:00 now you in the east. we do have breaking news. we will show you live pictures of british police investigating a terror incident. those were their words, after an explosion on a london tube train. police say annism sraoeuzedded explosive device detonate odd a packed rush hour train. you are seeing it more on your screen. >> more than a dozen are being treated in area hospitals. president trump is denouncing an attack in a series of tweets. he said another attack in london by a loser terrorist. these are sick and dementeded people in the sights of scotland yard. must be proactive.