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monzer agreed to a meeting with tarek and ssamir in bay ru

lebanon in 2006 taken way we had set this deal up was just strange enough to be believable. >> in order to build the investigation against monzer we had to catch him red-handed. to infiltrate a terrorist organization you go after them with great sources. i had just finished working an investigation in guatemala where i had some pretty high-level sources. so the plan was to introduce my sources as potential buyers. we wanted to have my two sources play roles as farc members. >> arriba! >> the farc is a guerrilla group that transitioned into a terrorist organization that is deeply rooted in the colombian cocaine trade. >> the farc is an opposition of the colombian government and those governments that are supporting it. so with the scenario that we put together the farc needed these weapons to shoot down american helicopters. when you look at monzer, he's a financial guy and he's looking at doing it for money. but there was a big interest to

be an opposition to the united states. >> so samir met with monzer and tarek in beirut, lebanon. we needed samir to develop sufficient trust with monzer in order to convince him to meet our sources. >> going into a situation with any source it's a very dangerous activity for them. >> al kassar believed the sources were legitimate bad guys that were looking to do a legitimate transaction for weapons. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> in any first meeting that takes place between bad guy and

bad guy there's always a testing. it's to know how knowledgeable the person is about what they're doing, whether it's to find out are they working for the government or two, do they really know what they're doing and how can i get one over on them? [ speaking foreign language ]. >> once samir had established his credentials with monzer in beirut, monzer invited luis and carlos to his residence in marbella, spain. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> the dicey part came is when he actually took copies of the passports. they had to use their real identity. couldn't afford for them to come into spain with fraudulent documents and get arrested. >> that adds to the layer of r

terror in my book, that they're going in there with their real identity. they're naked. >> yeah. >> monzer al-kassar wanted money. it's all about business. we knew we had to have money that we could wire transfer to him, to show him the informants were legitimate bad guys. >> monzer stood to make 10 to 20 million dollars based off of the amounts of weapons that we were talking about. so we needed 100,000 euros as a down payment for the weapons. >> we had to navigate getting government money and figuring out how we were going to wire it internationally that it didn't look like it was transfer from the fed to a bank to monzer al kassar. >> and so our sources take the train down into marbella while we stay in barcelona. >> we knew it would be a high-risk operation. monzer was very good at picking up something that was unusual

for his normal patterns and how he operated in his criminal enterprise. and monzer was extremely violent. people wound up dead. once a witness became paralyzed after a missile was fired into their apartment in lebanon. it was very dangerous for our informants. and if something had happened to them, we weren't in a position to come in and rescue them. >> this kind of operation goes against everything you've ever been taught as a cop being undercover. you always want to meet in a neutral place and you want to have control of the situation. and here we are, we're going to have no control of the situation at all. we're just hoping that everybody can get out of there safely and come home. >> we had to send them with recording equipment. we needed evidence. so that was the risk that we took. >> we were going to show him

that we were legit and that we meant to do business. >> so everything had it work with precision. >> they had to have conversations with kassar about his weapons and ways they can assist people in killing americans. >> you say look, this is where we need to be, this is the evidence we need to get, i'm going to rely on you to get us there, and hopefully they cross that line. >> this was the best opportunity we had to get monzer al-kassar. if the meeting didn't go in the right direction, we were going to lose him. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> as much as you'd like to think that kassar has dropped his guard and is super

comfortable and buying into everything you're doing, he's the kind of bad guy that's never going to do that. >> we heard monzer asking numerous questions about the farc. he was trying to test the sources. [ speaking foreign language ]. if you're going to play a farc role, then you'd better know something about the farc. >> it is a chess game. a game of cat and mouse. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> you're always walking the wire of he's believing me. [ speaking foreign language ]. but is he really? is he going to continue to do business with me? or is he going to take me out back and shoot me?

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evidence recorded via concealed devices that were carried by luis and carlos. >> at the same time we were in barcelona waiting for any feedback that we could get. there was not going to be any communication from monzer's house until they got back. >> but it's a game of cat and mouse. monzer al-kassar is extremely dangerous. he's both acted as a terrorist and supported terrorist organizations throughout the world. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> you're always walking the wire of is he going to continue to do business with me or is he going to take me out back and shoot me? [ speaking foreign language ]. the sources went in the house knowing they had to collect evidence. and they had to have conversations with kassar about specific weapons. what their weapons would be used for. what kind of weapons. so you can build a case.

we wanted to put a package together that would be enticing to monzer but also help build the case against him. >> ak-47s. sniper rifles. rpgs and surface-to-air missiles. and surface-to-air missile charges are a minimum mandatory of 20 years. this is the evidence we needed to get. and that's not outside the realm of believability for the farc needing surface-to-air missiles because the u.s. had helicopters down there eradicating fields. >> but also we needed to have him discuss how the missiles could be used to shoot down american helicopters in colombia and kill americans. [ speaking foreign language ].

>> monzer knew exactly what was going on. the quantity of the weapons, what type of weapons they were, and what they were going to be used for. >> so we had great evidence because of how he talked about how his business with us could lead to american deaths. >> so at that point we had a case against him. >> but we had to get kassar to leave spain. >> because we knew he had contacts within the spanish government. you look at what happened in the past. he was able to get out of a number of these arrests and trials. you know, is he going to walk away from this? >> we had to come up with reasons on why monzer had to meet us outside of the country of spain.

so we had told monzer that one of the highest members of the farc was traveling specifically to meet with monzer. and our story was that the farc member would release the money if he personally saw monzer and knew that monzer was involved in the deal. >> we try to set up the meeting in romania. it was a country where the extradition process was very short and efficient and we'd done a lot of investigations with the romanians over the years. and we were hoping that's where monzer would be arrested. >> but monzer was always cautious. [ speaking foreign language ].

>> at that point we felt things were not going to go the way we were hoping. and he was resisting meeting with us or traveling. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> monzer doesn't want to travel to romania. so now everyone's stressed out. we had to adjust. we had to have a second plan. plan b was for him to be arrested in madrid, which would be much more of a challenge for us. >> our fear was that monzer's contacts were worldwide and if someone told him about our international arrest warrants he would find a way out of spain without being seen and he could get to a place that would never extradite him. >> we knew what motivated monzer

al-kassar was money. and we believe he had promised the arms manufacturers that this weapons deal was going to go through. so if he wasn't able to put this deal together he would actually be losing face. so monzer agreed to go to madrid to meet the farc, who he believed had to be convinced by him in order to release the money that would fund the remaining part of the weapons transaction. >> we were able to have it confirmed that he did get on the flight. and then we were waiting for him upon arrival at the madrid airport with the spanish national police. so we're all waiting at the airport. everything was set up. the spanish national police were supposed to observe him getting off if -- the gate. we were watching monzer walk into the baggage claim area. and then all of a sudden over the radio we heard "we've lost him."

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so we're all waiting at the airport. we were watching monzer getting off the gate. then all of a sudden over the radio we heard "we've lost him." and we thought he'd caught onto us and he's escaped out of the side door.

then everybody got into a panic mode. nervous, where is he, where is he. and even the dea agents were running around trying to find him. and john and i were going from point a to point b and then all of a sudden, here comes monzer, he walked out of the bathroom. >> once we arrived at the baggage claim, the fugitive squad of the spanish police put him under arrest. >> i'm here today to announce the arrest of international arms dealer monzer al-kassar on charges of terrorism and arms trafficking. yesterday's arrest marked the end of a long-term investigation that spanned the globe. it finally brought one of the world's most prolific arms traffickers to justice. >> it was awesome that we arrested kassar. >> so great feeling to know that now he's in jail based on our

international arrest warrant and held in spain. >> he knew that he had no control of the united states. he couldn't buy his way out. he couldn't maneuver his way out. and that was his last straw to fight it in spain. >> he had a lot of contacts in government. he was trying to bribe people, supposedly he was threatening people. quite honestly i wasn't 100% sure we could get him. >> he was fighting the extradition. that was the only leg he had to stand on. he was going to take every option and make every move that he could to get out of the process. >> it was a little over the a year before the extradition was granted. there's a formal procedure to turn over a person that's being extradited, right? interpol, spain. you have to turn over all these documents you have to sign. so that morning we're told be at the airport at this point. we didn't know what was going to happen. maybe they change their mind. all of a sudden, we hear a helicopter come. they brought him by helicopter.

helicopter lands. he thought he was being moved to another prison. he gets off the continuer. and he's shackled. he sees us lined up as dea jackets, you know what i mean? and he got a little emotional. his lips started quivering and started to say viva la spain. it probably took us less than ten minutes to be up and out because we want to get him out of there. >> when we got on the plane, we all had our music we intended on listening to. we were doing our own thing and watching tv. he couldn't help but want to talk to us. monzer's personality is he can't be ignored. >> so he's talking and kind of blaming jim. >> isn't that you? >> that's me. he hasn't seen me in years. he's saying i lied, a terrible person. i wasn't paying attention to any

of it. i was sitting up front. >> i think monzer realized his time was up. but he never changed his colors because he was still that little proud peacock when he was on the plane. he was the guy that was in control despite he had shackles on. >> so at one point i get up and go to the bathroom. he's ranting and raving. and jim brown being the jokester he is, he says, why don't you tell jim, he's right here. so i take off my sunglasses. he looked visibly -- he was, you, you. i thought he was going to have a heart attack. i'm like it's a long night. take it easy. shut up and watch the movie. >> it was the end of a long road. but at that time we knew we still had to successfully prosecute him in a u.s. court. >> of course, we still got to try him. everything we've done has got to play out in court.

>> ultimately he was tried to trying to acquire service to air missiles and trying to kill citizens of the united states. >> we went to trial in the fall of 2008. and a large part of our case was us combating his defense so that we could show what his true intent was. if his defense was he knew it wasn't a legitimate deal, why would he have ever gone through with it in the first place? >> ultimately he was found guilty on all charges. >> monzer was convicted and eventually sentenced to 30 years in federal prison. >> after the trial, i'll tell you that was relief knowing he got convicted on all the charges. you know why i was happy? >> because it's important for closure for a lot of different people. he had created harm all over the place. the daughters were sitting there when he got convicted.

i mean, it was important to them. >> it sends a clear message that you can run but you can't hide. this terrorist is finally going to be put away for 30 years, and he won't be able to plan and plot anymore murders. >> i mean the biggest part was the relief because we had spent a lot of time, lot of resources. and it was good knowing that we did it. just good knowing that we did it, that we finished it. >> this wasn't just, you know, another drug deal. this was taking a huge weapons trafficker off the playing field. this was getting monzer al-kassar. it was to stop evil from spreading, i think. >> everybody thought we couldn't put a case together, everybody thought we couldn't get him. but we thought we could, we thought we would, and we did. >> i used to tell agents in this job you're only limited by your imagination and your energy. energy and imagination can create luck.

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one day. >> but i have never encountered a group with a goal to eliminate jews from the face of the earth and ultimately overthrow the united states government until we discovered the terrorist organization called "the order." >> as a former fbi agent and chairman of the house intelligence committee i had oversight of all 16 of our national intelligence agencies. my name is mike rogers. i had access to classified information gathered by our operatives, people who risked everything for the united states an our families. you don't know their faces or their names. you don't know the real stories from the people who lived the fear and the pressure until now.

♪ i first went undercover in the fbi in i think it was 1967. i had specialized in the fbi in domestic terrorist cases. organized crime, and undercover. and in 1984, i was working with the mafia when an opportunity came up in coeur d'alene, idaho. it was a one-man office and the agent that had been in coeur d'alene had left and no one was there. it is a beautiful idyllic spot. and so i jumped on that and along with a lot of other people i threw my hat in the ring and i was fortunate enough i got selected. i packed up my gear, left the family, headed out to coeur

d'alene. got the office, opened the door. it's an 8 by 10, nobody had been there in months, cobwebs going across there and i looked at it and shook my head and thought what did i get myself into, this is not what i expected but i was in a beautiful place. i think, perhaps, the reason that i was selected or one of the reasons is because i had domestic terrorism experience, a lot of it. i worked the new left in chicago. i worked the ku klux klan in alabama. so i was a likely person to step in and take a look at the group located in the coeur d'alene area called the aryan nations. they were the political arm of the church of jesus christ christian, a religious organization that believed the jews were the biblical enemy. >> we as the white race lost the

war. the jews won the war. the plague is poisoning our people to death. >> the agent that had been in coeur d'alene before i got there, suspected but didn't know that this organization might be involved in criminal activity. there were rumors they might be involved in terrorist type activity as well. we had nothing, really, to go on. i commenced my investigation on a somewhat full-time basis in about march of 1984. that was just me. nobody else in the office, nobody else working the case. and one of the very first things i did was i met with larry broadbent. he was undersheriff in kootenai county which is the county in which coeur d'alene was located in. and larry broadbent had been connecting a one-man investigation of the aryan

nations. i said show me all the criminal activities we have suspicions might be related to this group. we pinpointed about five or six different crimes and probably 30 or 40 different people. that was sort of the beginning of the playbook. and after he left, i was convinced that there was more than just smoke. there was a real fire here. but i didn't know much. i really didn't know anything about what ultimately we were going to discover. and that was the fact that there was a different organization than the aryan nations that had committed all these crimes. later we would learn that it was a religious and political terrorist organization called "the order." led by a man by the name of robert matthews. >> bob mathews was charismatic

and he was involved in the right-wing movement, the national alliance, for years. >> get the heck out of here. i didn't come auto the way down here to hear you. go over there! >> he believed the jews were subverting the american cause and that the jews controlled the finance, that they controlled the government which he called the z.o.g., the zionist occupied government. and bob mathews said i got to do something. he wanted to eliminate jews from the government power within the united states and ultimately overthrow the united states government. he wanted a pure aryan nation. he begins to recruit aryan warriors. and he foo finds about seven people within the aryan nation organization and he drafts those people. and he reaches out to the cover

innocent and sword and arm of the lord and the national alliance and pulls some of them in and the ku klux klan and gets some of them. people like gary lee yarborough, david lane and others. and now he had dedicated, core members which was ultimately known as the order. these were the people that bob mathews was going to demand on to carry the war with the jews in the united states government. in september of 1983, the order had taken their first efforts to finance themselves as aryan warriors. initially, they tried counterfeiting. and they did a terrible job. and managed to get one of their primary leaders, bruce carole pierce caught in their first effort to pass this counterfeit

money. after counterfeiting failed, bob mathews felt as the leader of this group he had to do something they had do something they weren't a failure and continued forward so he robbed a bank in september. it was success and gave him a tremendous amount of confidence and he was able to tell the others, look, you know, i did this and we can do this. following right on the heels of that, gary yash bro and bruce pierce decided bob did that, we'll do it. the next month they rob a bank and were successful. they look at the take of money, $40,000 and they think we have to plan bigger. we need to hit armored cars. the first robbery they do with four people and he grows the group up, seven people for the second one in the northgate area

in seattle. and they get away with about $200,000. >> these were certainly not ordinary bank robbers. they robbed the armored car to enable them to fund their battle, not to put in their pocket or buy drugs. they're stealing for the cause. >> the more money the order had the bigger threat they were to the united states government. and as a result of the armored car robberies they were able to go out and purchase firearms, a lot of ammunition. they were becoming a very, very strong army. >> by this time, bob has become inspirational. and people are drawing to him. he's made them believe that they will be successful. at that point, they were well ahead of me. look, i'm playing catch up. all these things have happened and i don't know how it all ties together. i'm still trying to put together

a report that i can send to the department of justice that will show enough probably cause that they will allow me to do a full-scale investigation. otherwise i'm limited. my hands are tied. i need a team of agents. i want to develop informants. i want real-time information on what's happening but i'm not allowed to do that until the attorney general says okay. now i sent my report off in june. while i wait for the justice department to say okay, robert mathews decides it's time to strike out against an enemy of their race. we're talking about the killing of the jew that would be the first of many.

. i was chasing a terrorist organization called "the order" we were dedicated to overthrowing the united states government and eliminating jews from the face of the earth, led by a man by the name of robert mathews and they were well ahead of me. if you look at the activities of this group, some counterfeiting and bank robberies and a couple armored car robberies it was so obvious over such a short period of time they had grown so much. and i'm playing catchup. i'm trying to put all this together and robert mathews decides it's time to strike out against the jews. they come together and say who

are our greatest jewish influenced enemies and the names came up like norman lear, a prominent producer of comedy shows and maurice dees the head of the poverty law center and they looked at a man named allen berg. allen berg was a very prominent personality in denver, colorado. and becoming a very prominent personality kind of throughout the country because he had his own radio show that was widely broadcast. he was a jew and he was a very, very obnoxious individual. >> you never shut up! i am fed up with you! get out of here! >> allen berg got on the radio and called white supremacists on his talk show and talked down at them, insulting them and

laughing at their beliefs. when the person got ready to answer, berg cut them off and said something insulting to them. >> i'll hang up on you. >> both of you hang up, cowards. >> one of the guys from the order, who is also head of the klan in colorado was a guy named david lane. david lane called in and berg ate him up like a cheap sandwich. he went after him. >> i think they are responsible for the murder of 50 million white christians. >> berg has insulted this aryan warrior so they decide we're going to take him out. >> in june of 1984, bob mathews made the decision to have alan berg assassinated. he takes bruce carroll pierce,

richard scutari and david lane and they went to colorado and they set up surveillance at his residence and they wait for him. >> when berg opened the door, they opened up on him with a fully automatic mock ten machine gun. berg was hit multiple times. and he died at the spot. >> was the order a terrorist organization? >> absolutely. absolutely. 100%. it didn't matter if there was mass casualties, they were willing to do anything and everything to achieve their goals. >> these were very dangerous people and becoming more dangerous as time progressed which if you look at the time line, after they did the first two armored car robberies, bruce carroll pierce leaves with richard kemp and they go to boise and they bomb a jewish synagogue.

that was an act of terrorism. there was no money to be had. there was no criminal gain. it was punishment. they felt emboldened and things escalated rapidly. in july of 1984, we learned about the armored car robbery of a brinks truck in ewe chi yap, california. >> it was on the last day of the democratic convention that was held in san francisco in 1948. we're at a command post waiting for the convention to be over. and a call came in saying there was an armored car robbery. we had no idea about the order and the people and players involved at the time. that was a separate criminal case. i get to the scene and figure out what happened and it grows from there. they scoped out where the truck would be most vulnerable and they hit the truck on highway

20. they bought cars, pickup trucks and a 30-pound box of roofing nails and threw them on the road and the armored truck gets flat tires and they surround the truck. there are two or three guys holding up shotguns and they shot at the truck and the shotgun blast went through the glass. hits the people inside. the truck came to a halt. they all surrounded, climbed off their trucks and got in the cars and someone held up a card board sign that said get out or die. and they were able to get in the back and pull the moneybags out. while they were doing the robbery one of the guys was calling out time marks, eight minutes gone, nine minutes gone, let's finish it up. they were in and out in ten minutes and got north of 3 1/2 million dollars. >> it is one of the greatest armored car robberies of all

time. for everybody else this is a bad thing. for me, it was a breakthrough. because bob mathews made a huge mistake. >> during the armored truck robberies, matthews was when we recovered the gun, it took about a week to trace it. we discovered that it had been originally purchased by andrew barnhill in montana. >> ultimately we traced him to an address in lacleed, idaho. we went inside that residence and found lots of information. >> they found automatic weapons, large quantity of cash, receipts, i.d.s and other information that tied him in to the order. >> we also found a milk carton. the milk carton had some personal items. and buried down in the bottom is an article on the north gate bank robbery. why do you keep one article on one thing like that in a place

where your most personal possessions are located? because you had something to do with it. at this point i feel like we've got enough. let's expand our case. but i've got to wait for the justice department to say, okay. now, i sent my report off in june. now we're in july. and i sat and i waited until they finally came back, and they said, yes, it's a go. now the case was about to greatly expand once we had this authority to do the full-scale domestic security investigation. the fbi's going to pour into this investigation. and we did. >> at the time i was on leave stationed in providence, rhode island. i got a call from the office. i was to report for duty the following day. and to bring a rifle. i had never worked domestic terrorism cases to that point in my career.

my general impression from reading everything that i was reading, that we were receiving in, was they were very sophisticated and they were very dangerous people. >> initially when we arrived there, we realized we were investigating things that happened last month. that we had finally realized had been done by the order. the first thing i did was call back to fbi headquarters and say, send me 20 agents. these people are doing bad stuff and they're getting rig vows, veding all over the western united states. >> i had a team. the ball game had changed. we were now in the game. ♪ can i get some help. watch his head. ♪ i'm so happy. ♪

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bam, family time. so how is everyone? find your awesome with xfinity xfi and change the way you wifi. i commenced my investigation in about march of 1984. and finally, in july, i got the authorization to do a full-scale domestic security investigation of the terrorist organization called the order. and we're getting ready to expand based on the robbery. now the fbi began to saturate the area and gather intelligence. >> all of the investigative stuff is logical. where would these people stay. and where do these trucks come from. because we started with the trucks, backtracking, and the

guys said, hey, i met a guy staying at the motel 6 or whatever. and just started pulling those records. we discovered that they all stayed in the santa rosa area. they stayed at a super 8 and a bunch of lower end hotels. the fellows in santa rosa went out and pulled all the phone numbers from all the booths around the hotels and put them in a data base. we started coming up with numbers. there were calls from the phones. >> that was amazing intelligence. and so when i got a call telling me that calls were made to a jerry oldbu, immediately i drove to where the phone was located at that residence and we took up a surveillance position. and after a few hours, a guy comes walking out of the residence. i looked at him through the binoculars and i said, that's not a jerry oldbu, that's gary yarbrough, that's the same guy that's in photographs that we

acquired of individuals that belonged to the order. and we immediately directed two teams of agents, specifically on observation of gary yarbrough. now, what we had to do at this point was patiently wait. we had gathered a great deal of intelligence information. but i still wasn't in a position to arrest anybody. >> we had evidence that linked certain members of the group to criminal activities, but we didn't have sufficient evidence where we felt like we could go to a grand jury and get a warrant and indict. >> so we were looking and looking for a break to get through that logjam, and the break was thomas martinez being arrested in philadelphia, pennsylvania. for passing counterfeit money. >> robert matthews, in the early formation of the order days, had been counterfeiting money. and was in the process of trying

to recruit additional members. one of those members was an individual that he knew from the national alliance by the name of thomas martinez. martinez lived in the philadelphia area. and he was provided with u.s. currency that was counterfeit. he was instructed by matthews and others in the order to take those bills and pass them. when he did, he got caught. he was paid a visit by the secret service and arrested. >> after they had their initial interview with martinez, they recognized that there was something bigger than this few bills of counterfeit that had been passed. so they called the fbi. >> they said, well, i've got a guy who's here in philadelphia arrested for counterfeiting, this guy bob matthews. they said, do you want to talk to this guy? damn right we want to talk to this guy. charge him with everything you can charge him with, so when we get there, we'll be the good guys and say, boy, have we got a deal for you. it worked. >> once he decided to cooperate, he opened the doors and he

supplied a lot more pieces of this puzzle we're trying to put together. who was responsible for the armored car robbery in seattle. who participated in the ukaia robbery. all of these questions could be answered by tom martinez. because he had been solicited by bob, and bob had told him about all these different things that they had done and they were doing. it was martinez that basically introduced us to the book for turner diary. it's a fictional account of a group of people just like we're talking about, that ultimately managed to overthrow the united states government. >> december the 16th, 1991, today it finally begins. after all these years of talking, and nothing but talking, we have finally taken our first action. we were at war with the system. and it is no longer a war of words. in the