custom low rider. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. the latest republican attempt to replace obamacare develops a pre-existing condition. a serious case of john mccain. good evening. john berman here in for anderson. the bill had already come down with an attack or two or three of jimmy kimmel. he's been harming on it all week. powerful organizations have weighed in against the bill. the american medical association and aarp just to name a couple. republican senator susan collins is leaning no. lisa murkowski has yet to commit. which makes senator mccain anosement today leaving the bill just one no vote away from defeat so numerically important and perhaps politically. there's been no reaction from the white house. but trump speaks any minute at this rally in alabama and let's just say he has never been one

to hold back at his rallies. we're keeping a close eye on this. as we watch that, want to bring in cnn's fill mattingly at the capital. >> this is one of those scenarios where all you had to do is listen to what the senator has been saying. we've been trying to read in to wra perhaps he can go. relationship with lindsey graham, great friends. but every time i've spoken with senator mccain over the course of the last four or five days he's never waived in his opinion that the process was wrong. it wasn't going through regular order. just go back to july, senate floor speech where he did he cried the direction the senate had gone, the lack of bipartisanship and then take a listen to his statement today, announcing his opposition. just a piece of here, quote, i cannot in good conscience vote for the graham/cassidy proposal. i believe we do better working

together, democrats and republicans and have not really tried. nor can i support it knowing how much it will cost, how much it will affect insurance premiums and how many people will be hurt by it. what he's saying here is everything he had been telephone grafg over the course of the last couple of days. i'm told that there's not much waiving. i'm also told that he did tell senator graham his close friend this was coming, but very far others knew. this was john mccain doing what john mccain does on his own setting the tone and really kind of setting the stage for quite possibly putting an end to this issue that republicans have talked about for years, have campaigned on and made very clear was their top policy priority throughout the first year of president trump's time in office. >> what about the other two possible no votes, collins and mour cow ski? >> it's important to note and this is probably a good reason why you haven't heard from leaders weighing in yet. they still don't have that third solid no yet.

senator susan collins, they just assume she was in the no column told the portland press herald a local newspaper today that she is leaning no and then went on to attack several pieces of the bill. the big question now is when she would announce that becoming that third solid no that would effectively kill this bill. she's on a sunday show this week. there's some speculation up here that that might be where it is. smepts every she wants to wait for the cbo score. that's expected early next week. now, lisa murkowski has also made very clear she wanted to him to study these proposals. the the decision from her is not expected anytime soon. we will have to wait and see. as i noted, that third no is the death nil for this bill. >> in terms of a vote, is there any sense that mitch mcconnell might bring it to the floor even if they don't have the numbers? >> we've been doing this too long. it's rez enfrom the dead too many times. just to kind of walk through the

clalg lags here. they put a lot of effort in right at the final deadline and they feel good that they at least gave it a shot. but the idea of putting a bill on the senate floor having another spectacular for everybody to watch wait and see and not om that put members who have yet to come out in support of this bill, deliberately not to have to weigh in on something that's being attacked pretty much across the country it moment, there's no real sense having to put them through that. no final decisions have been made. the big question now is when does the third no come and what comes after that. >> appreciate it, bill. as we said, the president is in alabama tonight ahead of the senate run-off there next week. he is supporting one candidate. interestingly his hud secretary been carson is all but endorsing someone else, which is frankly odd. this is not something you see generally in any administration. cnn's kaitlyn collins is traveling with the president. she joins us live from

huntsville. back to the health care anyone. anyone in the administration say anything about senator mccain's announcement yet? >> well, there have been no official statements yet, john, but we have seen the white house saying they're going to continue that effort. they're not ready to give up yet, but they said it's no doubt that what mccain said today undeniably hurts the administration's efforts to repeal and replace the affordable care act and it will surely get brought up tonight. the president is taking the stage right now here in alabama and he does not forget when someone skorns him. so let's go to the president right now, john, and see what he has to

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> thank you very much. wow. thank you. thank you. thank you, everybody. i love this place. you know, we set every record in alabama. i love alabama. it's special. thank you very much.

>> usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa, usa. >> well, i am. i'm thrilled to be here with the really great person that i've gotten to know, luther strange and with a hardworking patriotic citizens of this great state. you have some football games tomorrow, but we're going to have a lot of fun, and they're going to win at football tomorrow. i love this state and i love the people of this state. they've been so good to me. and we are producing. we are really producing. heck, yeah. and on tuesday we're going to send a real fighter and a real good guy from alabama to the

united states senate on a permanent basis. now, we have another great person in our audience tonight, richard shelby. where is richard? where is he? richard. where is richard? thank you, richard. stand up so they can see you, richard. fantastic. thank you, richard. respected man. i will tell you, he's respected and loved in the senate. he's only been there for, what, 34 years or something like that. right? but he loves the people of alabama too. and like all of you, luther strange knows the true source of america's strength. it's god, it's family, and it's country. and luther is going to be taking

over for a man that you all love, what's his name? huh? senator jeff sessions. you love jeff sessions. he's doing a good job. he is doing a good job. we have him very busy, watching the borders. a lot of things are happening. but luther is taking over for jeff, hopefully, and you are going to be so impressed with what we're going to do in washington. but before we begin, i want to send our thoughts and prayers to the people of texas and louisiana and florida and georgia and puerto rico and the virgin islands and all of the other communities that have recently been ravaged by storms and by floods. and i called the other day, i spoke to your governor. i said how are you doing? she said well, we have about 17 million people that just entered alabama for shelter.

and you took such great care of those people. you really did. i said you know, governor, you're the fastest growing state anywhere in the world this week. but it was -- you really did. you did a great job. and your governor is doing a great job too, by the way. when one part of america hurts, we all hurt. we grieve overall that's been lost, but we're also inspired by the incredible strength and spirit and resilience of our people. together we will recover, rebuild and return bigger, better, stronger than ever before. it's going to happen. it's going to happen quickly. quickly. better. all right? we also send our prayers to the people of mexico. they got hit hard by a

devastating earthquake. taking a lot of lives, a lot more than they even thought. and i've spoken with the president of mexico and we pledged our total support. we have kroous there right now lifting up that heavy concrete and it's a rough sight. we've got a lot of people we sent down with a lot of big equipment, but that's a tough go. it's a really tough thing to look at and to see and to see the sadness. but that was bad. i've just come from a very productive week at the united nations general assembly. [applause] >> usa, usa, usa, usa, usa.

>> well, we've been working with our friends and allies to pursue a future of prosperity and security and peace, and we've got some really good people that i know and have tremendous relationships and we have some really, really bad people. and we're going to take care of the bad people. it's about time. we're going to take care of the bad people. [applause] >> it's one of the greatest honors of my life to represent the american people on that world stage. and i will tell you, the world is starting to respect the united states of america again [applause] >> as i said during my address to the united nations, i will always defend america's interests above all else.

i'm here for you. i'm not here for global interests. we're not here for the rest of the globe. and we want to treat the rest of the globe right. and, you know, when i say america first, everyone is saying, gee -- and i never liked it from the standpoint that if you're in another country, you want your country to be first by the leader. so nobody really understood for years they've said america first, although i'm the one that really means it. there's a big difference. and i said -- i said, look, it's going to be america first. we're going to renegotiate these trade deals. we're bringing a lot of people back. we're bringing companies back. you see it in alabama. you see it in alabama. but i'm not going to worry so much about other countries. i want to treat them with respect. i want to treat them good, and i want their people to fight for them just like i'm going to fight. but we're going to be like your football teams. we're going to win all the time.

believe me. [applause] >> i believe the best path to a more peaceful world are proud, independent and sovereign nations that serve and respect their own people. when you look at what's going on in the world, you have so many where they don't respect their people, but we want nations that cooperate together to create better for all people. that's what we're all about. all people. and we can't have mad men out there shooting rockets all over the place. and by the way, rocket man

should have been handled a long time ago. [applause] >> he should have been handled a long time ago by clinton. i won't mention the republicans, right, but by obama. why did this -- you know, this is a different -- this is a different time. this should have been handled eight years ago and four years ago and honestly, and 15 years ago and 20 years ago and 25 years ago. this shouldn't be handled now, but i'm going to handle it because we have to handle it. little rocket man, we're going to do it because we really have no choice. we really have no choice.

now, he's talking about a massive weapon exploding over the ocean, pacific ocean, which causes tremendous, tremendous ka lambty. where that plume goes, so goes karps, so goes tremendous problems. and i want to tell you something, and i'm sure he's listening because he watches every word -- and i guarantee you one thing, he's watching us like he never watched anybody before. that i can tell you. [applause] >> that i can tell you. and maybe something thatgets wo out and maybe it doesn't. personally i'm not sure that it will. other people say i want peace. they've been saying for 25 years we want peace, we want peace. and then he goes and just keeps going, going, going. well, maybe something gets worked out and maybe it doesn't.

but i can tell you one thing, you are protected. okay? you are protected. nobody is going to mess with our people. nobody is going to play games. nobody is going to put our people in that kind of danger. nobody. [applause] >> and japan and south korea are right up there with us -- and by the way, many other countries. many, many other countries, they're right up there with us. and i have to tell you, i made a friend in china, president xi and yesterday he basically took the banking industry away from north korea. never been done before. never been done. that's based on relationship. relationship is very good. but we're dealing with somebody that we'll figure out. he may be smart.

he may be strategic and he may be totally crazy, but you know what? no matter what he is, we're going to handle it, folks. believe me, we're going to handle it. [applause] >> the foundation for progress begins at home with a government that protects and defends our citizens. and that's what we have to do. that is why i'm here tonight to ask the good people of alabama to send luther strange to the united states senate so he can defend your interests, fight for your values and always put america first. go out and get out the vote. but i'm going to tell you, i'll just tell you this quick crazy story. why do i like luther? i have a lot of friends and some

of them go do you mind if i go for the other candidate. and of course you can. some of them are working for me. and that's fine. of course, maybe -- >> president trump speaking in huntszville, alabama. this is a speech designed to proup up the senate candidate luther strange who is in a tough run off against roy moore a perhaps more conservative candidate, someone known to buck the system, someone who by the way has supported sarah palin, steve bannon, breitbart. let's listen in a little bit. >> so i'm very much involved. you know, they like to say, well, mr. trump, president trump sat in the oval office and didn't -- i'm on the phone screaming at people all day long for weeks. they gave me a list of ten people that were absolute nos. these are ten republican senators. now, john mccain -- john mccain's list -- john mccain was not on the list. so that was a totally unexpected

thing. terrible. honestly, terrible. repeal and replace, because john mccain, if you look at his campaign, his last campaign, was all about repeal and replace. repeal and replace. so he decided to do something different. and that's fine. and i say we still have a chance -- we're going to do it eventually. we're going to do it eventually. with luther and -- we're going to do it. but i have to tell you this story because we're here tonight for luther strange. i'm here for luther and i'm actually here -- it's a friday night. i really do love the people of alabama because you've treated me so well. in fact -- in fact, i said -- i don't want to speak negatively. i said, though, if i lose this election, maybe i'll end up moving to alabama or kentucky or like some states. nice to go where people love you and where you love them because

it's special. so here is what happened. here is what happened. we never want to lose, right. despite that, we don't want to lose because we have a great agenda -- and by the way, we're doing a lot of work. we're getting a lot of things done. they hate to admit it, including we have a supreme court justice, judge gore sich, who will save how about a thing called your second amendment, right? okay. remember that? if crooked hillary got elected, you would not have a second amendment, believe me. you'd be handing in your rifles. you'd be saying here, here they are. you go like -- [ crowd booing ] >> you'd be turning over your rifles. >> lock her up, lock her up, lock her up. lock her up.

>> you've got to speak to jeff sessions about that. so here is what happened with luther. so luther, i get this list, ten names of people that are absolute total nos. and there were good people, a lot of them. by the way, in all fairness, rand paul was on that list. they say don't even waste your time calling him. he voted twice yes. okay? he was very good. and i haven't given up on him, because i think he may come around, okay? wouldn't it be ironic if he took john mccain's place and they definitely do not like each other. wouldn't that be ironic? that would be very ironic for those of you that know the inner workings of the senate. so with luther, so i have a list, and one of the names is luther strange. and i know he's the senator from

alabama, but i don't know him. i met him once. i said that is the tallest human being i've ever seen. i'm tall. i'm tall. i never saw -- he's like should be on the new york knicks. they could use him. so loout -- that's why i call him big luther. but i have to tell you, so i call up the different people. well, mr. president, could you have dinner with my wife, myself, my family, my kids, my cousins, my uncles. and i'd like to talk to you about it. okay. so they come over with the family, pictures all night, everything. okay. and i'll get a vote or i won't, whatever. but brutal. brutal. you know, you know what that is, folks, right? it's called brutality. i call another one, i say, senator, we need your vote. i know you're oh posed to it, but -- well, you know, i think i can get there, but you have to do me a favor. you have to see my brother and his wife. they love you and they want to have dinner with you. and they want to have breakfast

with you and lunch. then after you finish with them, how about we'll go out for a picnic someplace on the white house lawn and then after that maybe we'll start talking about it. oh, my. it was brutal. you have no idea. okay. now i call luther strange. i say, i've got to call this guy and he's a no, right? and i say senator, i need your help. i said i've got to get your vote on health care. he says you've got it. [applause] >> i said what do you mean i have it? because i've just been ham measured by all of these people. what do you mean i have it? he said sir, i was for you right from the beginning. i knew you were going to win. i knew you were going to win the whole thing. i've always been for you. my family has always been for you. and honestly, mr. president, if

you want my vote, you have it. i said do i have to come and meet you someplace? do i have to have dinner with your family? i think his wife, by the way is fantastic, but i said do i have to have dinner with you ask your wife? no, sir, you don't have to have anything. i've supported you from the beginning and you shouldn't even waste any more time talking to me. mr. president, you have my total support. i went home and told my wife that's the coolest thing that's happened to me in six months. okay? it's true. it's a true story. and then time goes by, and he voted. and then, of course, you know, john mccain came in and he went thumbs down at 3:00 in the morning and everybody. [ crowd booing ] >> i know so much, folks, i could tell you. it was sad. and we had a couple of other senators, but, you know, at least we knew where we stood

there. that was like really a horrible thing. honestly, that was a horrible, horrible thing that happened to the republican party. that was a horrible thing. so anyway, so time goes by and i see luther is in a race, and people are saying he's friendly. whether you like mitch mcconnell or not, doesn't matter, but they're saying he's friendly with mitch. he doesn't even know mitch mcconnell. he was just there for a few months and they've put that mantel -- and i told mitch i'd like to say this. i don't like to, but i'm telling you he doesn't know mitch mcconnell at all. luther is a tough, tough tough cookie. he doesn't deal with and kowtow to anybody. so they put it around. so all of a sudden i see he's down in the race by a lot and i say, man, that's really unfair. they were giving him a bum rap because he rapid to be in the senate, they were giving him a

bum rap. and i remember the call -- and by the way, the other people that i called, they're all fine. up don't even remember, the dinners -- you don't even remember any of it. you remember one sentence, sir, don't even waste your time talking anymore. you have a lot of business to do. you have my vote. this was a definite no. and i said that's the coolest thing and i remembered it. and i called him and i checked and he was down because of being saddled with stuff, he was down by quite a bit. and i said i'm going to endorse you. and he didn't believe it. he said you would do that? and i said yeah, i'm going to do that. i shouldn't be doing it. the last thing i want to do is be involved in a primary. okay? i could be sitting home right now getting to watch some of the games tomorrow, getting ready, right? bit seriously, the last thing i wanted to do is get -- but i'll never forget the way he did that. it was really cool. so what happened is i called him and i said, you know, i want to -- first of all, how are you

doing? how are you doing? and he said honestly, i'm down a little bit, but i think -- i said i think you're going to come back too, luther. i think you're going to come back and you're going to kick everyone's ass and you're going to do great. you're going to do great. because he got saddled with things that he should not have gotten saddled with. so he started off here. he was in third or fourth. he went to third, second. and now it's like almost pretty even, right? and i called him up a week ago and i said, you know, i think you're down by a few points, but i'm going to come to alabama and i'm going to make a speech for you on friday night. and such a true story. and as soon as we announced -- you know, you look at this arena. you know, the media, the fake

news, i call it, the worst [ crowd booing ] >> fake news. they won't show this. you know, they'll say donald trump spoke before a small crowd in alabama last night. it was a small crowd, very unenthusiastic crowd. it was a terrible evening. no. these are the most -- among the most dishonest people. these are among the most dishonest people. for instance, look at the crowd. i'd love to have them show the crowd, but they don't show the crowd. they show me. the whole night, i go home, i say, melania, by the way, she's become very popular, hasn't she? [applause] >> she's become very popular. i mean, she respects the white house. we love the white house. they actually said about me that i called the white house a dump.

i think the white house is one of the most beautiful builds i've ever seen and i speak of it with reverence and they said that and they wouldn't retract that and i hated it because i speak so well -- i love the white house, but my wife respects the white house greatly, so when she leaves the plane -- >> there you have it the rally for president trump that he said umd not see. the crowd he said we would not show. the president made some news right there. he said he was surprised, frankly, that john mccain came out as a no vote on the graham/cassidy vote to repeal obamacare. he also called kim jong-un little rocket man. and he affected a southern accent at times. so a lot of news there. let's discuss with our panel. ryan, first to you on the substance of what the president is saying here. he's down there to endorse luther strange in the senate run-off. he talks some about the health care status right now. and says he was surprised that

john mccain came out as a no vote today. john mccain has basically been telling us for days that he was going to vote no on this. >> yeah. and i was a little confused. the call list and the ten senators that he was describing -- and first of all, it was quite hilarious his description of being a president lobbying his senators asking trump for all these favors, picnic on the white house lawn, dinner, you know, breakfast. you can tell he's both a little frustrated by that process but also rifg in a humorous way about it. i was unclear if he was talking about the original votes during the summer or he was talking about the current graham/cassidy bill. it wasn't quite clear. in either case he had this list of ten republican senators who he was told to lobby, and it's sort of an dooimt of his political staff that john mccain was not on that list. they obviously did not do the prep work to understand that mccain was waiving, whether it

was on the first bill or the more recent one that mccain came out against today. but certainly a lot of frustration in his voice with john mccain. trump being trump, i felt like he was a little bit more restrained than he usually is. >> no question. >> usually he's a lot harsher to people who cross him. >> well, look, he was restrained with senator john mccain. he called his vote terrible terrible, horrible horrible thing to the republican party. we have a little bit of sound. let's play that right now. >> trump, president trump sat in the oval office and didn't -- i'm on the phone screaming at people all day long for weeks. they gave me a list of ten people that were absolute nos. these are ten republican senators. now, john mccain's -- john mccain's list [ crowd booing ] >> john mccain was not on the list. so that was a totally unexpected

thing. terrible. honestly, terrible. repeal and replace, because john mccain, if you look at his campaign, his last campaign, was all about repeal and replace, repeal and replace. so he decided to do something different. and that's fine. and i say we still have a chance -- we're going to do it eventually. we're going to do it eventually. >> he also said that john mccain basically did a horrible thing to the republican party. the president also said he still thinks he might be able to change rand paul's vote, who right now is a no on this. he thinks he might be able to get senator paul to a yes. do you think that's possible or do you think this thing is essentially dead? >> i think it's possible. i would not give up on it yet. i think that rand paul realizes that if this thing goes down his legacy and a guy who may be a future presidential candidate again, but his legacy could be the republican who killed the repeal and replace opportunity.

and so i mean, this would be a horrible 30 second sound bite for any republican. and i've got to say, the president is right, what mr. mccain did to the republican party today as a guy who was our standard-bearer in 08, somebody i worked for, somebody that all of us had worked for at one time or the other, you know, he let us down. he let us down as a party. and his philosophy that he ran on in 2016 was repeal and replace. his ads were all over the state of arizona about repeal and replace. so i think it was a surprise. i do agree with chris. i think the president the lobbying because you don't really know the time sequence on that. i will say as somebody who was a member of the whip team in the house it's not unusual for members to say i want to get my brother-in-law in the oval office for a photo op in exchange for a vote. he was absolutely telling the truth from that. >> and apparently all the people he was intimidating were from

the south. >> i want to ask you a question, because so many of your colleagues who were involved with the obama kpams in 2008 and 2012 have sent out messages today praising john mccain for his action today, not the types of things that they were saying back in 2008 when he was the republican nominee. and frankly, not the types of things that they would have said when he was opposing obamacare when it was up for a vote or even in 2016 when he ran against obamacare. >> that's true. but i think what we've seen from john mccain over the past couple of months is really going back to the root of who he was in two thousand and the period of where he was thought of as the maverick where he did have a fair amount of support from democrats. he was an interesting candidate for president. now with donald trump as president it's causing many democrats including obama team members to look back and think, well, john mccain wasn't so bad. neither was mitt romney. we would take either of those

guys over the current president. >> i think some people were surprised that john mccain would vote against or announce that he was going to vote against a bill put out by his best friend in washington, maybe one of his best friends in the world right now, senator lindsey graham from south carolina. were you surprised? i mean, john mccain made pretty clear how he felt about this. i guess if i was surprised, i was only surprisesed that lindsey graham didn't take this spew account over the last few years. >> exactly. two big factors, the close personal relationship they have. i mean, you could make a buddy movie out of the relationship between those guys. and the other thing is the governor of arizona, who was advising mccain on this was for graham/cassidy. so i think that could have given mccain some cover if he wanted to come out for this bill. but on the other hand, after his diagnosis for brain surgery and his first reappear answer in the senate, he gave a very

impassioned speech about process and said the bottom line for him was that the hell care bill had to go through a bipartisan what they call in the senate regular order. and his argument was if you don't do that, then when the democrats are in power, well, they're going to flip the healthcare system back to something more like brk or single payor. unless you have a bipartisan, large majority coming together instituting some system, we're going to be -- it's going to be flipped back and forth. anyway, that was his argument. the process of graham/cassidy, i don't think anyone can defend it, the process. maybe you can defend the bill, but the process was, frankly, atrocious. and they're trying to do it by september 30th with this artificial deadline instituted by the senate paermian. it has not gone through regular order. there wouldn't even be a congressional budget office score which is routine for something that affect this large a chunk of the economy. so i think it would be really hard for mccain to come out and say, well, you know, i love

lindsey graham so i'm backing this bill the speech i gave about process be damned. >> very quickly, congressman. >> i just say when anybody starts arguing process in the u.s. senate, it's a cop-out. i think he just wanted to vote no and found that to be a convene excuse. this bill was not a new bill. >> maybe his dislike for donald trump over came his love for lindsey graham. >> we're going to end it there, guys. i do appreciate it. we are keeping an eye on president trump and? just a moment we're going to get his take on the president's confrontation with kim jong-un. just called him little rocket man in this speech. and later mexico with the story behind these images taken from beneath the are you able by a trapped survivor. we've never seen anything like this and you do not want to miss it.

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campaigning for luther strange, slamming john mccain's health care decision, but reserving a special moment as well for kim jong-un, amping up the name-calling. >> i want to tell you something, and i'm sure he's listening because he watches every wordment and i guarantee you one thing, he's watching us like he never watched anybody before. that i can tell you. that i can tell you. [applause] >> and maybe something gets worked out, and maybe it doesn't. will.nally, i'm not sure that it other people like to say, oh, we want peace. you know, they've been saying for now 25 years we want peace, we want peace. and then he goes and just keeps going, going, going. well, maybe something gets worked out and maybe it doesn't. but i can tell you one thing, you are protected. okay? you are protected [applause] >> nobody is going to mess with our people. nobody is going to play games.

nobody is going to put our people in that kind of danger. nobody. [applause] >> he called kim jong-un little rocket man. and earlier he wrote, kim jong-un of north korea, who is obviously a mad man who doesn't mind starving or killing his people will be tested like never before. and kim has called the president mentally deranged, a rogue, a gangster, a frightened dog and basically an old lunatic. meanwhile north korea's foreign minister say pyongyang may test a hydrogen bomb over the pacific ocean in response to the president's comments at the u.n. earlier i had a chance to talk about this war of words. so, what exactly is going on here? do you believe that there are people inside the state department or the pentagon who think it's a good idea for the president of the united states to be going sort of tit for tat with these playground insults with the leader from north korea? >> it's highly unlikely. look, we've been through this before. you know, we've seen the

development that china went through when it went nuclear. the united states has always been very sober, very restrained. we've always let them be the crazy guys and he would with be the grownups and be restrained and sober. in this case it does feel as though trump personally can't stand the idea that kim jong-un gets the last word. he seems as though he always needs to come to punch. remember a couple of times, i think it's kellyanne conway or hope hicks who has said he always has said he will counter punch. he clearly feels if they punch, he has to counter punch. it's not a good idea because it just causes a needless escalation. and in the case of the united states, our words tend to be watched very carefully for kind of credibility. nobody thinks kim jong-un is credible. but the president of the united states is meant to say things that have a kind of credibility

behind them and that we back up. you know, and the fire and fury and all this stuff, we're not going to destroy north korea, so we should stop pretending her. >> trump supporters saying nothing else has worked in dealing with north korea. clinton's policy, george w. bush, what obama didn't do in some cases didn't work. so who is to say that tough talk won't debt a different outcome? >> yeah. it's an argument that says why don't we be reckless and gamble because other things haven't worked. what i would say is you could still end up in a bad decision. when the country decides that it feels exist sentence shelly threatened and that it wants to buy insurance and that insurance in the world of international affairs is nuclear weapons, it's been very hard to stop countries. india went nuclear, really went nuclear, pakistan went nuclear. they all suffered sanctions. china went nuclear. these things rpt as easy to stop because the nation doing it

feels it is their only way to guarantee survival. and imagine if you're nok, you're isolated in the world. you used to have a soviet union as your great been factor gone. you used to have china as your great been factor. they don't support it much anymore. and the united states has been saying we want to destroy this regime. guess what? i'd be nervous. >> the president says that kim jong-un will be tested like he's never been tested before. how do you interpret that? is that more sanctions? is that something else? >> the sensible, smart policy -- the trump administration is actually in large part following would be in terms of actions, tighten the sanctions. people think that north korea is the most sanctioned country in the world. it actually isn't. the sanctions that were put in place against iran under the obama administration were much more significant. so tighten the sanctions. get the china he is to put real pressure on them. and this is possible. the chinese have no great love for the north koreans. they're just worried about instability of the and then try

to create maybe an international group that comes together and puts more pressure, but also i think you've got to put a carrot out there saying, here, if you come to the table here is what might be possible. that's the intellect strategy. if by tested he means we're going to try tom kind of limited military strike, it just strikes me as very, very dangerous. all these things, could it work, yes. but there's a real chance that you are putting the lives of 208 million south koreans who live within artillery fire of north korea in great jeopardy. >> thanks so much. >> pleasure. >> we all know the president has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to north korea, memes that flatter him or insult hillary clinton or barak obama. pretty much everything. in about a half an hour bill we're examines the presidency, twitter and trump. that's at 9:00 eastern here on cnn. meanwhile there's breaking news

of treasury secretary steve mnuchin's travel. he's accused of using costly government jets and we have learned that investigator are looking at a third flight he took on a small government plane in august. that cost you the taxpayer about $25,000. the fleshry secretary is not the only cabinet member under review for his travel. the department of health and human services looking into secretary tom price's use of private jets. according to politico price has taken at least 24 flights on private chartered planes since early may. cnn's randi kaye has more. >> this is just another example of a fiscal irresponsibility run amok in congress right now. >> that was 2009. republican congressman tom price of georgia railing against spending hundreds of millions of dollars on private jets to ferry members of congress. >> now we need to cut if had from four jets to zero jets. >> but that was then.

in 2017 with price now health and human services secretary, it seems he's fully on board with what he was once strongly against. private jets, yes, please. and we're not talking just one flight on board a private plane but perhaps as many as 24 private jet flights since may. that's a hefty price tag for taxpayers, as much as $3 hundred,000 as reported by politico. five of those private flights appear to have taken place just last week. two and from massachusetts, new hampshire and fiphiladelphia, a commercially serviced routes. the treatment center just a mere 125 miles. or two and a half hour drive depending on traffic from hhs headquarters in downtown washington, d.c. the same trip by car would have cost an estimated $18 in gasoline each way for an suv and about $18 in tolls.

instead, price's trip on board the private plane could have cost you the taxpayer as much as $25,000. and the comparisons hardly end there. our flight search showed there was a commercial flight departing just minutes earlier than price's pricey private jet, bound for philadelphia for a fraction of the price. that commercial flight would have cost between 500 and $700. and of course, there was also the option of am track, a train from washington to philadelphia, even in first class, would have cost taxpayers no more than a few hundred dollar dollars round trip. the health and human services inspector general is conducting a review of secretary price's potentially inappropriate travel. in a statement the ig's office says the review focuses on whether price's travel complied with federal travel regulations. meanwhile, an hhs spokes woman tried to justify price's jet setting ways in saying the

president has made it clear his administration will move power out of washington and return it to the american people. secretary price will continue meeting with the american people outside of the belt way to hear their concerns and ensure hhs makes decisions that best provide for their needs. in response, the taxpayer funds are not meant to be use as a jet-setting slush fund. >> not even the first time the treasury secretary had his trip under fire >> absolutely. >> he claims he took it to kentucky. his office says it was struckly governme struckly -- strictly business.

>> they said he would have more secure communication available to him tch. the request for the plane was recently withdrawn. >> tom price to personally come out to say the same. >> thanks so much. coming up a story of survivors of incredible pictures. after 17 hours, they are rescued. we'll speak with them, next.

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a devastating situation in puerto rico is getting worst in the northwest part of the island. hurricane maria is dumping so much on the island. 70,000 people are told to be evacuated immediately. most puerto ricans are without utility or running water or access to water care. then there is mexico. >> officials are finding anyone trapped in the rubble. we have incredible survival story. >> reporter: at 1:14 tuesday

afternoon, a lock man was replacing broken locks in this building. >> the world around him started to rumble. >> when the earthquake struck, what did you hear? [ speaking spanish ] >> reporter: martin found himself trapped with three women he never met before. he worked in the office. >> he says he can only move like a worm. he said they started getting really nervous because they're running out of air. what came next, we test of every shred of perseverance they could mustard. they have no time to react and

could hear the floor above crashing down. >> it all happened so fast she says. we did not have time to get out. in five or six seconds, the building collapsed. >> deanna says she reached her phone and started sending messages to her husband. >> love, the roof has fallen, we are trapped, i love you, i love you so much. we are on the fourth floor near the emergency exit, there are for of us. and then you see a series of phone calls that would not connect. >> that was enough to alert workers there were people inside but the rescuers could not hear them. the sound were horrible and he recorded this vincredible video. there was no escape and no way out.

martin and deanna and the two others talked to each other, soothing each other's fears and waiting for rescue workers to find them. martin's leg was broken and he sat there of excruciating pane. >> reporter: what was going through your mind? >> i was talking to god. >> reporter: as we talked, martin opened his phone sharing us a picture that he took of himself while he was trapped. he had not seen it. the emotions are overwhelming. you believe that there was no way to get out? >> yes, i did. i always believe that i was going to get out alive, he says. after 17 hours, rescue workers pulled all four of them out alive point. >> reporter: all the scratches came and he was pulled out.

>> the two are recovering in the same hospital on the same floor, having been tieable to see each other since they were rescued. they were brought together in an unexpected moment of horror and survived. i teach him a phrase in english that he and his friends could share >> we made it. we made it. >> i have never seen pictures like that. did people you spoke with, did they say how they survive? >> you know that have been asking themselves the question. that's the billiuilding you see behind me. they got lodged between the chunks of cement. they relied on each other and soothe each other and they made themselves laugh a couple of times. mostly, it was the thought and

the power of reuniting with their children that really got them through the 17 hours ordeal. john. >> it is so moving. in mexico city, ed, thank you very much. thank you all for watching "360." cnn's special report, "twitter and trump" starts right now. the following is a special report of cnn. it is a marriage man, message and machine unlike any other ever. i sit there at 3:00 in the morning, ding, ding, ding, our country is going to hell, we must stop it, we need leadership. >> i weak up everyday and laugh. he's losing it. >> do you think donald trump would have won this election without twitter? >> no. i love it.