i'm michael smerkonish in fell la. we welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. last night president trump repeated his claim that the russian meddling story is a hoax. >> no, russia did not help me. i call it the russian hoax. one of the great hoaxes. >> the actual hoax involved russian-sponsored political facebook ads and fake accounts. that promoted trump and attacked hillary clinton. what did the campaign know? plus james comey shouted down at howard university. part of the ongoing campus battle over free speech and protests at berkeley have thwarted a right-wing free speech event amidst new data can says that many college students don't understand or don't

appreciate the first amendment. with the failure of the latest gop attempt to rewrite health care, what can we learn from how it's done in other countries? and meet the young speechwriter who supervised comedic obama moments, like this one. >> after the mid-term elections my advisers asked me, mr. president, do you have a bucket list. and i said well, i have something that rhymes with bucket list. >> but first, the president began his day yesterday with a tweet. it said this -- the russia hoax continues, now it's ads on facebook what about the totally biased and dishonest media coverage in favor of crooked hillary. he ended his day with a similar assertion at last night's rally for alabama senate candidate, luther strange. the hoax assertion is remarkable for two reasons, the president's

disbelief in the russian meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign. as my colleague was quick to point out yesterday, here was the conclusion of the intelligence community assessment released in january. quote we assess russian president vladimir putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the u.s. presidential election. russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the u.s. democratic process, denigrate secretary clinton and harm her electability and potential presidency. we further assess the putin and the russian government developed a clear preference for president-elect trump. we have high confidence in these judgments. unquote. but there's something else here worthy of analysis. until recently, discussion of russian meddling has meant the hack of the dnc server. and the question of collusion has been one of whether the trump campaign could have aided and abetted that hack so far, no direct evidence of such collusion has come to light there have been troublesome

signs like don junior, jared kushner and paul manafort entertaining russian representatives at trump tower in june of 2016 who promised to deliver dirt on hillary clinton. but no smoking gun showing knowledge or involvement by the trump campaign in the dnc hack. but maybe the hack isn't the area where the president is most vulnerable. in special counsel robert mueller's investigation, maybe it is in social media. specifically, russian manipulation of twitter and facebook, to influence the election. this week, bowing to pressure, facebook handed over to mueller 3,000 ads bought bay russian agency during the american campaign. and facebook found $100,000 worth of those ads linked to 500 fake facebook pages where fictional people posed as american activists, many of whom attacked hillary clinton and praised donald trump. facebook has since removed 470 profiles and pages, linked to a

russian company with ties to the kremlin. scott shane of the "new york times" investigated several of the pages. and here's an example of what he found. this is the facebook page of someone who identified as melvin reddick of harrisburg, pennsylvania. on june 8, 2016 reddick started sharing links on facebook to a new anti-hillary website. he posted quote these guys show hidden truth about hillary clinton, george soros and other leaders of the u.s. visit dc leaks website. it's really interesting. well here's the problem found by scott shane at the "times." melvin reddick does not appear to exist, his photos appear to have been taken bay brazilian stranger. one photo shows him at a restaurant in brazil. another photo of his daughter's bedroom shows a brazilian style electrical output and the "times" also notes that

reddick's posts never include any of the personal missives you typically find on facebook. but rather anti-hillary and pro russian news articles. here's the big question for robert mueller. were these social media efforts as rudimentary as the facebook page of melvin reddick? or were they actually part of a sophisticated targeting operation guided by american political intelligence supplied by the trump campaign? were they targeting specific swing geographical areas, and certain demographics within those areas? if so, the president can only hope that it was all a hoax. joining me now, former federal prosecutor, renato mariati. you said in politico a couple of days ago that until recently there was little evidence that indicated that mueller was far along and then that changed. what changed, in your mind? >> that was the first time that i saw a very real path to robert

mueller you know, producing an indictment that had a russian's name on it and an american's name on the same indictment. up until then, he was far along, on certain things. like for example, paul manafort. paul manafort, he was being looked at for false disclosures, tax issues, things like that. and i will tell you the russians were not there helping him fill out his tax returns. they weren't there helping him fill out his disclosure forms. those are serious crimes, i don't mean to suggest that they're not. but they're not the sort of crimes that involve a russian person and him being indicted for working together. now what we have with facebook is robert mueller assembled evidence, got an affidavit that was written by a federal agent, presented it to a federal judge. and the federal judge determined that there was good reason to believe that a crime occurred. and that crime by the way would be illegal foreign contributions in connection with an election. here in the united states. and then he also found, he also

presented evidence and the judge found, that that, that evidence of that crime existed on facebook. and so, you know, you were just talking a moment ago about how the president said yesterday that this was all a hoax. and what i would say, in response to that, is that it is not a hoax when a federal judge, a neutral third party determines that there is good evidence of a crime. >> in lay terms, what would it mean if there were evidence of aiding and abetting by representatives of the trump campaign, in this, this real hoax via facebook? >> so what aiding and abetting means is that you have knowledge that a crime is under way. that a crime is being committed. and you take tangible active steps to further it. so it would not mean for example, that the trump campaign was cheering on the sidelines. so if you watch somebody commit a bank robbery and you're clapping and cheering as he does

it, that's not aiding and abetting the bank robbery. it's aiding and abeing the bank robbery when you go in there and help him hide the money or burn the dye pack soiled clothes or do something like that. so here in this context what it would mean is somebody in the trump orbit helping these individuals, these russian individuals target advertising. helping them conceal what they were doing. helping them you know, know where they, where they wanted their efforts to be focused. helping them with their messaging. things like that things that actually carried it forward. if bob mueller asked you know, asked those questions and ultimately finds those answers, and i think robert mueller and his team will be asking the questions you just asked a moment ago, michael. you know then you could potentially see that indictment with the american and russian's name on it. >> pure hypothetical, because there's no evidence in the public domain of that which i'm

about to pose having occurred. but what if there were this russian effort to target individuals via facebook posts, and if the campaign had said, focus on women who are in wisconsin. focus on white guys lacking a college degree who are in michigan. and direct advertising there. would that be aiding and abetting? >> if, yeah if whatever individual gave those instructions to the russians, would be frankly what i think the more likely charge would be is that they would have joined a conspiracy, a criminal conspiracy, that's a fancy legal word for an agreement to commit a crime. they would have joined a conspiracy to, you have foreign contributions to the election. and just so your viewers know, and i've explained this many times on twitter. that in a conspiracy, you don't need to know every piece of the conspiracy or you don't need to know every member of the conspiracy. somebody here if the united

states, obviously it's a hypothetical as you said. the hypothetical person, they wouldn't even have needed to know who the russians were. they needed to know it was a russian operation. but they didn't need to meet these people, they depart need to be involved with everything. if they agreed and said we want you to target working-class women in wisconsin and that's the age that we want. that would be joining a conspiracy. >> final subject, step back, big picture there are several different areas that we know mule certificate probing. in which do you believe the president shows the most vulnerability? and by your count, i'll go with your headings, there's the manafort and flynn aspect. the obstruction of justice potential. there's the trump tower meeting that i made reference to in my commentary and there's this facebook social media slice. where is the vulnerability? >> well certainly from a legal perspective it would have to be obstruction. there's no question that mueller is looking at obstruction.

you can see that from the document requests that were issued this week as well as statements from the president's attorneys. and that would necessarily involve the president of the united states. it wasn't like there was some aide who decided to fire james comey. that said, from a political perspective, i think that the charges involving russians could have a political implication for the president that could potentially go beyond obstruction or anything else in this case. because i think if i, as a lawyer, if i was defending someone who was involved in aiding russians, i would be very worried about bringing that case to the jury. >> renato mariotti, thank you for your analysis. tweet me at smerkonish or go to my facebook page. what do we have? this comes from looks like facebook. for once, for once smerkonish makes sense and i'm surprised to see that for once he is not

kissing 45's ass. well brandy, you know what they say right? a broken clock is right at least twice a day. hit me with a twitter comment if we have time for that as well. sounds to me like you are in on it, michael. by in on it, i mean that you are colluding to bring down the elected potus. traitor. really? i'm the traitor? i'm simply as an attorney, as well as a broadcaster, analyzing that which is in the public domain and i'm responding to one specific assertion from the president both yesterday in his tweet and last night in his remarks. and that's the assertion that this is all a hoax. which puts him at direct odds with his own intelligence community. and i have to say one more thing, gang, i know i'm over, i've got to say this what's most troublesome is if he treats it as a hoax, then i worry we're letting our guard down and it could happen again. think about that. and then ask yourself, who's the traitor? up ahead, steve bannon and ann koult ver been scheduled to

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former fbi chief james comey received a rude welcome at howard university yesterday. students shouted him down for 15 minutes with chant like "comey's not my homey." and continued to disrupt his entire speech. comey then responded. >> and i love the enthusiasm of the young folks. i just wish they would understand what a conversation is. >> college campuses have traditionally been safe havens for free speech. but that's no longer the case. at uc berkeley this week ann coulter, and steve bannon were supposed to speak at a free speech event. coulter has withdrawn. and the event seems to have fallen apart. after more than 170 berkeley professors and students called for a boycott of classes and campus activities during the event. how far are protesters willing to go to prevent people they don't like from speaking? a new survey from the brookician institution suggests that students do not understand the

meaning of free speech. joining me now, the author of the study, john villa senor, a senior fellow at brookings and a ucla professor. thanks so much for being here. i want to put up some of the data from your survey. let's begin with does the first amendment protect hate speech. holy smokes, professor, 44% say no. you react? >> this was a survey of 1500 people who identified themselves as students from 49 states and among that responding group, the responses were really -- frankly quite distorted. there's a lack of understanding among the respondents about some basic attributes of the first amendment. >> the internals of this interest me. look at the gender divide. i'm sure you took note of that. in other words more women than men by 11 points, 49 to 38, are in that no category. >> again, among the 1500 respondents to the survey, there was a gender difference there,

as well as in some of the other for example men expressed much more tolerance for using violence to shut down speech. they don't like than did women. >> let's go on to another data set. what's the appropriate response when there's a speaker with whom you don't agree? in this case, 51% say it's okay to shout them down. 62% of democrats, 39% of republicans as i'm showing on the screen, hold those views. your reaction? >> again, in the caveat, within this particular group of respondents, i think the reaction is that nobody is looking good here, right? i mean 62% is not a good number. but 39% is not a number to be proud of, either. and i think frankly this is the new normal. we've seen this just yesterday, with the james comey speech and we're going to see it unfortunately i'm sure throughout the coming academic year. >> i promise i'll get to the why question in a moment.

but another, if i may put this on the screen. is it appropriate to use violence to prevent a speaker from speaking. 19%, let's call it one out of five of college students at america say yeah, that's fine. >> again, just to make sure it's you know accurately characterized. it was among my respondent group. and to the extent that that's representative, then that's the case. also it's important to emphasize that question was referring to an extremely offensive speaker. and i'm in no way advocating for supporting violence, but it was phrased intentionally to gauge students' reaction to the most obnoxious and offensive of speakers. and a stunningly high percentage of the respondents did say they were in agreement with the use of violence to prevent that speech. and i find that a disturbing answer. >> perhaps most disturbing of all, is that the students are looking to the institution to protect them from harmful words.

you gave two scenarios. put the fourth slide up on the screen. and you asked them you know, which option is the appropriate option. and i'll explain, option 1 was that the university creates a positive learning environment for all students by prohibiting certain speech. option two was, that they create a learning environment where students are exposed to all types, 53%, slightly more than half said hey, please, prohibit the offensive speech. your reaction? >> my reaction is that anyone who spent time on college campuses in the last year or two, probably wouldn't find it very surprising. those numbers. there's really a burgeoning move towards expectations of censorship in that environment. and i personally don't, i find those numbers disappointing. but not particularly surprising. in light of my own what i've observed on college campuses recently. >> now the kwi question. why is this the state of

affairs? >> i think there's, you know complicated question. certainly we can't answer it in just a few minutes. i don't know that i have all the answers, i think there's this growing expectation, especially recently that the bounds of permissible speech should be determined in large part by the pro tension reaction of a listener. if something might be deemed offensive, then it perhaps ought to be deemed unlawful or blocked. and of course that is directly in contradiction with the broad scope that the first amendment gives us with respect to freedom of expression and other things as well. think that's the underlying cause or one of the root causes here. another briefly if i may, there's increasingly this view that words are violence. or certain words are violence. and therefore, if you believe that words are violence, you might believe that the appropriate reaction to words is violence. i strongly disagree. but that mode of thinking has also become more common than in the past. >> how about as a potential

explanation, the lack of a civics curriculum in high school, the way that it was well in my era? >> yeah, i'm a very strong believer in the fact that we ought to do a better job of emphasizing teaching these incredibly important constitutional principles. early. in precollege education. the challenge is that a lot of these folks arrive in college having already perhaps not had enough exposure to this. i think most high school kids for example can tell you there's a bill of rights. but few of them could probably tell you, a lot of the details about the first amendment. we don't need to turn these people into experts on constitutional law. but think we can do a better job of giving them some explanation of these contours of the fundamental rights that we have thanks to the first amendment and the incredibly important role it plays in our democracy. >> john villa senor, thanks for the works it was very interesting. we appreciate it. here's more of what you're saying on my twitter and

facebook pages. what do we have, katherine? >> young people don't respect the first amendment. of course not, the internet's unregulated and abusive free speech turned public opinion. patrick, that's scary. i don't know if they don't respect it or if they're not aware of it. as i quoted out to the professor, there were multiple civics requirements that i had to fulfill in my k-12 public education. i don't think that's the case. and maybe all this standardized testing in math and science just a thought of mine, doesn't leave time for that in the curriculum. we keep hearing if only the u.s. had a health care system like they do in say -- canada. or in england. or many other countries. but a new study compared them. so who's the best? and can we learn from them? something powerful about causs progress: that whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward.

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germany, france, australia and the u.s. all offer universal coverage. we often hear about britain and canada. between those two, the experts preferred britain. but in the end, it came down to switzerland, edging out france for the best. two countries that we hardly hear about in our debate. joining me now, one of the experts that the "times" consulted in its report, craig garthway is a health economist at northwest university's kellogg school of management. let's begin with canada and britain. because we hear so much about the two of them. you preferred the british system. we'll put some points up about britain. you tell me why. >> i think probably there are a lot of similarities between these two systems. in the sense they have universal coverage. we talk about them together. a primary difference between england and canada, in england you're able to purchase private insurance that i allows to you avoid wait times if you'd like,

go to different facilities, get access to more care. and that provides a greter degree of competition in the system. and a greater access to care in a timely manner. canada for many services you can get routine access to care, for elective procedures you've got anywhere 20% of the population waits longer than four months to get access to. >> how about france? we don't hear much about france in the american debate. we'll put up some details of the french system. give me the cliffs notes version? >> france is an interesting system where everyone purchases insurance from a set of nonprofit funds that the government runs. that covers about 70% to 80% of your health care and can you prsh voluntarily insurance on top of that. they go to a series of public and private hospitals to get care. many ways it provides access to people and the price is set by the government. which limits the innovation out of that system. >> is it fair to say that

switzerland represents what proponents of the affordable care act, obamacare, would have hoped that what they were initiating would become? >> if you think about switzerland, you can in many ways think about on the insurance side as a well-functioning version of the affordable care act. the ideal system we thought we might get if all the implementation had gone well with the aca. i would note that's just on the insurance side. on the sort of provider, the doctor and hospital side, there are strict price controls in the swiss system. that's one way in which they keep costs down. by limiting what you can charge in the various areas of the country. >> you're doing a great job running through the data. i appreciate it. let's conclude with the united states. we'll put up some of the particulars of the u.s. am i right, professor, in that we stand alone in so far as we have an expectation, that our employers will provide our health insurance? >> certainly the reliance on

employer-provided health care in the united states is fairly unique. we should note it's another form of the way our employers pay us. we get paid in cash compensation and fringe benefits like health insurance. the united states is unique -- go ahead. >> why don't we hear more comparison to switzerland? why is it always a canadian and british. is it because of our relationship? our proximity to canada? i just am wondering in the context of the debate. right now playing itself out in washington, i don't hear anybody, republican or democrat saying they've got a pretty good plan in switzerland. >> that could be a testament to the low level of sort of intellectual nature of the debate about health care in washington first. there's a general familiarity with england and canada. among the american population. england also represents sort of the far extreme if you think about it. in the sense that the government

owns all of the hospitals, they own the facilities there and they provide the insurance. so if you start thinking about a true quote single-payer system where you're getting the insurance from your government, england is the prototypical example of that. i think therefore it enters into the debate because if you want to scare people you say the government is going to provide your health care. or if you want to say look the government is going to take care of everyone and england provides be a example for both. depending on your political motives. >> professor gorthway, i like the way it was done. a little march madness analysis of the health care systems of the world. thank you for being here. let's check in on facebook and twitter and see what you are thinking. smerkonish, the best health i think health care system got to be the u.s. congress's. whatever happened to the whole conversation of they're going to get what we all get through the affordable care act? still to come, meet one of

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after the mid-term elections my advisers asked me, mr. president, do you have a bucket list. and i said well, i have something that rhymes with bucket list. take executive action on immigration? bucket. >> that risque routine by president barack obama supervised by my next guest, david lit. in 2011 became one of the youngest white house speechwriters in history. besides the usual topics like

health care and climate change, comedy was his forte. he chronicles the behind the scenes in his new book. thanks, obama, my hopy-changy, white house years. he's currently the head writer and producer of "funny or die" washington, d.c. operations. david, how hard to get the potus to deliver the bucket routine? >> what i write about in the books is the way the jokes often reflected bigger trends in the administration in the white house at the time. so bucket might have been hard a few years earlier. but this was after the mid-term elections. president obama said you know what, i'm going to bring every little bit of progress i can and i'm not worrying about congress any more. and part of that attitude was reflected in the fact that he said yeah this is a great joke. i want to do it. the thing that i write about that he changed, the only change he made was, it started out by him saying bucket. bucket, it's the right thing to do. i think that was his attitude going forward. >> it sounds to me like he said to you -- bucket, i may as well

do it. not always, thank you, i got a laugh out of david lit, that's big. not always so funny, there was a tim polenti in 2011, think one of the first lines you wrote for him. let me roll the tape and you tell the back story. >> tim pawlenty, he seems all american. but if you heard his real middle name? tim hosni pawlenty. what a shame. >> it was not supposed to be tim hosni pawlenty. what was it supposed to be? >> well that joke, in a pitch to the speechwriter running the process at the time, john love it, and at the time, my pitch was tim bin laden pawlenty. and i thought it was much funnier. they met with president obama in the oval and i got a draft back and it said hosni.

i almost wrote a very angry email saying i'm sure my punchline was funnier. and the next night after of the bin laden raid i thought i'm very happy that i did not send e eemail the night before. >> at least for me, i was there at white house correspondents dinner, it was luther the anger manager. roll the tape and we'll talk about this. >> hold on to your lily-white butts. >> in our fast-changing butts. traditions like the white house correspondents din remember important. >> i mean really. what is this dinner? why am i required to come to it? >> how close did he come to breaking in the rehearsals? >> well in the rehearsals, he didn't come close to breaking, to cracking up in the middle of the rehearsal, he couldn't hold it together. i mean every time keegan michael key as luther said a line, the

president just lost it. as to be fair, we all did in the room. and i remember right before the speech. president obama said this is pretty good. but i just can't break. and i will say i didn't know if he could do it. i was watching and just hoping that he was not going to laugh and to his credit, he kept a straight face. >> hey, i'm going to help you sell books, david. are you ready? >> i'm always ready for that. >> if people buy "thanks obama" they will learn the story of why you were driving buck-naked with a date after the obama primary victory in rhode island. and that's all i'm going to say. all right? that's all you need to know. thank you. [ laughter ] "thanks obama" by david litt. i'd be good with 60 minutes of @smerkonish responding to twitter twitter on cnn. sometimes i'll say stuff happens and i always say if it does, and if we can't get to a guest or

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thank you so much for watching and for following me on facebook and twitter. here's some of the reaction to this week's program. hit me with it, katherine. >> i know gary fran see yoen. he was my tort professor in my first year at the penn law center. we're in big trouble when students want to be protected

from ideas with which they disagree. education requires engagement. well, professor francione is right. he's a great example. he's a noted animal rights activist and his activism is sometimes controversial. what are we supposed to do shield law students from that part of his persona? i don't think so. if you can't have a free exchange of ideas on a college campus, where can you? and i found it alarming that 19% of college students in america think that violence is appropriate as a weapon against a controversial speaker. teach more civics in high school. that's the solution. what's next? who hacked the clinton schedule to avoid going to wisconsin? give me a break. this is over. >> hey, brandon, i'm not here to carry hillary's water.

my beef is that the commander in chief as evidenced by that tweet yesterday morning or the remarks last night in alabama is regarding the russian meddling as a hoax. if he acts as if it were -- i don't think he really believes that, but if he acts like it was really a hoax then my worry he's not doing anything about it and he's going to leave us vulnerab vulnerable for the midterm election. this is not about donald trump or hillary clinton. this is a national security vulnerability and the guy who thinks it's a hoax or says it's a hoax isn't equipped to fix it. that should trouble you. what's next? >> yes meddling is bad, biggest problem is lazy, gullible tratat naive enough to believe everything they read on the

internet. you are so, so right about that. you look at that fake facebook page that i put up on the screen from the guy that says he was from human beiarrisburg. who would care about that? you've heard me say this before, never before have we had so much available to us in terms of choice available to us in terms of selection and so few of us seemed to be exercising all of those options. instead we're hunkered down in our individual silos and bunkers and engaging with the like-minded. that's the real. i love the social media and the age of the internet that's the danger that it has brought upon us and more of us need to step outside of our bubbles. more of us need to engage with people who don't share our perspective and that's not happening. so i agree with you. another one if i have time for it. let's see. all these tweets and facebook

comments. manafort offering daily briefings to russians isn't collusion? well, oki paid close attention that this morning, the owe la gark to whom he offered that briefing didn't accept there never was such a briefing but the coziness between the most senior level of the trump campaign and an individual with close ties to vladimir putin is definitely troublesome but is that collusion in and of itself? it's not. by the way, there's no such crime as collusion. what they've got to show is a conspiracy to commit some underlying criminal act and we don't have that here. as an attorney i come here week after week and i try and explore the legal aspects of the russian investigation but that's all that i'm doing, because we don't have in the public domain evidence of a conspiracy, no

aiding and abetting of the hack as we know it now. maybe mueller does. one more and then i'm done. here it is. what is the educational value of bannon, colter or millo speaking at a college? is that really our litmus test? let's first determine what's the educational value of this speaker because i'll tell you something, i want that job. i want to be the person who gets to determine whether there is educational value but that's a dangerous standard that should not be the threshold. follow me on twitter. hit my facebook page now. i'll see you next week. mrs. andrews i found the

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. live in the cnn "newsroom." great to have you with us. moments ago president trump through a fresh punch at the nfl, part of his blistering attack on some of the top names in the sports world but first let's hear what lebron james has to say about the president's assault. >> you look at him kind of asking, you know, the nfl owners to get rid of players off the field because they're, you know, exercising their rights and that's not right. and