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stripes should play in the national conversation. president trump weighed in on friday. he and his supporters say he's standing up for the flag and for the country. others say he's using racially loaded rhetoric to rile up his base and distract. members of law enforcement and gold star families all join us talking it out and taking questions from the audience. that's ahead in our next hour. we begin with the news, though. this one with two new instances of what a fan of the president might call positive thinking and a skeptic who called rewriting history. deleting it in fact. last night in alabama challenger roy moore defeated luther strange who the president had endorsed. senator strange you'll recall is the one he vafld to huntsville, alabama to campaign for on friday night. the one he tweeted about, quote, big election tomorrow in the great state of alabama. vote for luther strange. he also tweeted luther strange has been shooting up in the alabama polls after my

endorsement. or this one, alabama get out and vote for luther strange. he's prooub to me that he will never let you down. big luther as the president liked to call him got hammered. we got them from pro public lick ka which keeps track of his tweets. the president who at times has been accused of attempting to rewrite history is now attempting to unwrite it. it does seem to be part of a pattern that predates his presidency of rarely admitting defeat. another example the president today on senate republicans' latest failure on the affordable care act, obamacare. >> we have the votes on graham/cassidy, but with the rules of reconciliation we're up against a deadline of friday, two days. that's just two days. and yes vote senator, we have a

wonderful senator, great, great senator who is a yes vote, but he's home recovering from a pretty tough situation. >> he's referring to senator that had cochran. he tweeted earlier with one yes vote in hospital and very positive signs from alaska and two others, mccain is out, we have the health care vote, but not for friday. keep in mind senator cochran is not hospitalized and the president today seemed to acknowledge that. as for the rest, well, no. just no. you can be for or against obamacare, for or against graham/cassidy, but there are simply not two sides to arit me particular. the bill needed 50 votes and only had 49 at best. 49 is fewer than 50. mitch mcconnell pulled the bill. now, if they had enough votes the vote would have been held. it was not. and practically at the very moment he said what he said, co-sponsor lindsey graham said while we currently don't have the votes to pass the legislation, i'm not giving up.

and neither is the president and there's nothing unusual about that. it's just that one acknowledges reality and the other seems to be trying to create his own on health care and the defeat of a chosen candidate. we've got more on his reaction to the health care situation. right now fill mattingly joipd us from the capitol hill. if they had the votes they would have vote it to a vote, correct. >> reporter: in a word, yes. a lot of head fakes a lot of trying to do things maybe things people don't know about. but there's one tried and true clear reality. when you have the votes you put and on the floor and you vote on it skbh it wasn't going to take multiple days for them to get to on the floor. they made very clear, senate majority leader, the coauthors of this bill that as of yesterday they did not have the votes. and i can tell you explicitly as of today those same three no votes are still no votes. at this moment they don't have the votesment they might in the future. it's very possible. at this moment they don't have the votes to repeal and replace

obamacare. >> and the comments about senator cochran, didn't he say he'd come in to vote if need be. >> let me put it this way. in talking to everybody at the senior levels of leadership over the course of the five days leading up to this all falling apart yesterday, not a single person mentioned senator cochran's name or his health issue at all. we saw three public no votes. i'm told from several gop aides that when they took an sberm whip count when they got a accepts of where there 52 counts are, there were several other senators who were absolutely opposed to the policy. they didn't want to talk about it publicly, but had it been brought up for the vote they would have voted no. it's not just that they were three shorts and perhaps they can flip them. they were several short. it may change in the future, but at this moment the votes simply aren't there and that's why they're not voting on this. >> a lot to talk about. does it make sense to you the president's sort of strategy on this of saying well, we have the

votes kind of but we just didn't have the time. >> well, not from the mechanics of trying to get the votes up on capitol hill it doesn't. but i think the president believes that what they can do is continue to put pressure, continue to build momentum towards eventually having a vote. we are in this vicious cycle right now where you need to have a vote on obamacare in order to sort of keep the promise of repealing obama front and center for a base that is very animated over fulfilling that promise. so i think that's exactly what the president is trying to do is he's just trying to create some positive momentum and trying to put pressure on the folks up on capitol hill. >> is that what it is, paul, just positive moment you will? >> it's pathological lying. job low vits character, the pathological liar. he's married to morgan fair child. i am actually married to morgan fair child. it doesn't suit his purposes. this is what's bizarre about president trump. we all lie, okay, but he in this case is lying when the truth sebs his interests just as well.

the truth is what lindsey graham said. we're not quite there but we're going to keep trying. that i think keeps the pressure on better even better. we've got it and i don't want to inconvenience senator cochran. obviously the mind bog else because he's got a pretty good argument that's true and he's got a really lame one that's a lie and he chooses the lame lie. >> jason, your mind doesn't seem to be bag he would. >> look, obamacare is failing. we have to spend billions to go and prop it up but the only thing we should be talking about today is tax reform and tax cuts. i mean, there's nied to go and try and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. this plan is fantastic. it will get the economy going. it's a good rallying cry for the party. i don't think the votes are there right now. the president might know something we don't. tell these guys i know they've taken seven years and they haven't gotten very far. tell congress to get back to the drawing board, come up with something that's going to get

our healthcare system back on track, but in the meantime it's tax cuts. that's what they should be talking about. >> then why is he talking about health care? >> that's why i said -- >> i mean, i think that he thinks that -- i hate to psycho analyze him, but i do think that he knows that the people who follow him only listen to what he says and so if he says this then they're probably going to believe it. we do know there were three people who came out and said they weren't going to vote for it and then there were more. i think there are a lot of people who just listen to him. that's where they get their news. >> it also puts us in a weird position we're where constantly having to say actually this is not factually correct. >> right. >> when it's just a weird position to be in. >> but he also has convinced most of the people who voted for him that they can't trust the media, right. i mean, do you disagree with, he says this for his followers, right, so they won't think he lost. >> again, i think the president probably is having conversations that we're not. he must think that they're

closer than they are. i personally from the conversations i'm having with the folks on the hill don't think the votes are there. talk about tax cuts. >> do you think the president is just talking to the wrong people? that's kind of scarey, isn't it. >> look, you have a lot of republicans on capitol hill that are talking out of both sides of their mouth. look how many republicans have spent the past shechb years saying we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. they campaigned on it. they sent out fund-raising slis tagsz and they get up here and run for the tall grass and don't get anything done. i'm frustrated as a republican that they didn't have a solution ready to go when president trump won. i think it's absolutely ridiculous. i think there's a reason why voirts are so frustrated with the party apparatus. go back, get it right. in the meantime, let's to come us on something we can win on. >> first it does step on his story. what he said also, though, should continue to motivate the democratic base. progressives all around today

were saying keep fighting, keep fighting, because we are close, maybe one vote, maybe three, maybe five. and when the president says we're almost there, boy, that's going to panic my side and it's going to moab ate them rather than -- this is the problem. if you beat something -- how many times have they stopped the repeal of obamacare now? a couple, two or three. and you tend to lose energy then. okay. we did it. we're done. maybe it energizes your folks, i don't know. but it's really good for the democratic base. >> yeah. i think it raises expectations for the republican base that can't really be engaged, and i think that's a big problem, which is that having a mitch mcconnell who looks like he's inefficient up on capitol hill tnds to hamper the senate's ability or even the house's ability to actually enact the agenda. and that in turn hurts the president. that's why we're in this vicious sielk elright now.

to remind people that the congress can't get this done actually turns and hurts republicans. >> let's talk about alabama last night. you know, the president arguably you could say he didn't really put his full weight behind looiter strange. i mean, in alabama on friday night he sort of gave and took away from luther strange at the same time. >> yeah. >> do you think people in alabama -- i mean, was this a vote against the president in a way or did people kind of think he's not really supporting luther strange? >> i think it was more of a vote against mitch mcconnell and a paul ryan and a vote against sort of establishment washington. but i also think it was -- it kind of showed -- a lot of people think that there's all these trump voters that are just consultists and they follow him and do whatever he says. and i think what this showed us is that's actually not true. these are people who have a point of view of what they want and donald trump is either going to be with them or they're going to do something different. and that's probably why he's deleting these tweets. it shows that they don't just do everything donald trump says, obviously. if they did they would have

voted differently. >> was it a mistake, you think, r to the president to back luther strange in. >> i think he should have listened to folks inside the white house who said he wasn't their guy and he probably should have stayed out of that race. but i think what last night's results showed is this trump coalition, this wasn't just about this last fall. i enmedia, this is -- definitely it is, it's alive, it's vibrant. it's well. as we look ahead to 2018, whether it be in these lp primaries or the general election, these voters are still frustrated. they're ticked off. they're mad at washington. they want to tip over the apple cart. they want to get stuff done. >> does this help republicans get stuff done, paul, in d.c.? >> i don't think so, no. >> assume roy moore, you know, becomes a senator. >> and the democrats have good candidates down there. he's going to run tough. >> do you think the democrats can win the senate in alabama? >> it's tough. but you have a better chance against roy moore than luther strange. until he deleted the tweets i wanted to defend the president on this. you know, politicians are always

dash i mean this. they're so par simoneous. i like that. seriously. he endorsed kathryn handle in georgia. he went all in. she won. good for him. he went all in for luther strange, well, mostly in. and so what, luther lost. it's going to be admired when a politician sticks his neck out. but then he comes back and deletes all the tweets. i wasn't really for luther. and now he's stuck with a guy who says that 9/11 was god's punishment against america. that's what bin laden thought, not america thinks. who thinks that homosexuals should be outlawed. he's got crazy views that i don't think president trump has. but now if trump is going to yoke himself to judge moor, he's going to have big problems. yeah, i endorsed luther. good on my agenda. proud of it. >> what does it mean for paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, all those watching that election last night? >> well, i think one of the worries you have to have is this

is going to embolden more primaries. the map sort of gets reshaped now potentially by a lot of folks who said there's something out there that i can draft off of it and i can go and take down an incumbent whereas before they might not have been willing to do that. so that signal that it send could potentially cause a lot of resources that the republicans have to spend in primaries that they weren't -- they could have been better spent against democrats in a general election. the so it definitely, you know, puts the majority potentially at risk. >> doesn't everybody know that if you delete tweets, it actually draws more attention? nobody really goes back and looks at the tweets, but the enact that you take them away, people notice. >> right. it just draws attention. >> if you're the president of the united states. >> the bigger story probably to come out of it is the president voiced his strong support for moor. said he'd be down there to campaign for him. i think that's probably the birg thing coming out. everybody here has deleted tweets in the past. i don't think that's a big deal.

>> the president's support for judge moor is going to hurt swing districts and swing states republicans a lot because they're going to go to them and they're going to say are you with the president with this guy in alabama who thinks 9/11 was god's punishment against america? it's going to cause problems -- >> moderate in 2012. you're not going to try to a ken -- >> you hide and watch. >> voters have their antennas up. >> up next, the president adds more fuel to his feud with the nfl. we'll talk it over with film director spike lee. patriotism, the players and the president along with current and former military players. that's at 9:00 p.m. eastern. stick around.

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eastern. president trump addressed the issue today outside the white house. he doubled or trimmed down on his criticism. >> the nfl is in a very bad box. you cannot have people disrespecting our national anthem, our flag, our country, and that's what they're doing. in my opinion, the nfl has to change or you know what's going to happen? their business is going to go to hell. >> spike lee who is going to be part of our town hall along with current and former players, veterans and others joins me now to discuss. good to see you again, my man, my brother. >> when you first heard friday the president in alabama saying sons of bridges, talking about those people, our anthem, what did you first think? >> well, first of all, for the community, the worst thing to do is to talk about somebody's mother. and he said those son of bitches. so he's talking directly about their mother. so that's a no-no. from the get go, i mean, you talk about somebody's mother, that's -- >> i talked to bennett of the

sea hawks. that's the first thing he said to me. >> i don't know about the rest of the world, but a boy from new york, you talk about their mother, there's going to be some hands flying. >> do you worry that the way this has played out over the last couple of days, one can argue about why he's doing it, does it take away from what colin kaepernick actually was trying to do? does it make it about the president or free speech or celebrities, you know, speaking out? >> well, what trump is good at is talking about football, the miss direction play. you're following the guy down the field and think he has a football and the other guy is going the other way high stepping into the end zone. we don't think about puerto rico. we don't think about obamacare. we don't think about this nut in korea and he focus on this thing. and all this other stuff, we've lost the ball.

i think so. >> in terms of when you saw -- last time you were on you talked about jerry jones. >> right. right. >> i'm wondering, when you saw him, you know, linking arms -- >> not buying it. not buying it. >> not buying it. >> no, because it's hypocritical because i was not impressed that the owners were on the field arm in arm with the players. because the reason why this whole thing has happened is because kaepernick took a knee and therefore he doesn't have a job. so if they want unity, this brother should be having -- he should have a job of one of the 32 teams, i think. >> you think there's no doubt he doesn't have a job because he took the knee and its too controversial. >> i think so. >> where does this go? i mean, because -- >> it's not de-escalating. i mean, this whole thing, the president's very divisive. i mean, it's --

>> can players continue to -- >> yes. >> take a knee, stay in the locker room? >> it's -- 200 sunday. there's going to be more sunday. >> you think there's going to be more people. >> yes, i think so. i mean, this is like -- this is about of the wills. >> we have this town hall tonight and there are going to be folks here asking who think this is unpatriotic and the president and a lot of people, good people say this is unpatriotic. this is disrespectful to the flag. what do you say? >> well, first of all, that's the wrong narrative. every athlete who has participated said they have great respect for the country, great respect for the military and these other people are trying to twist the narrative to defuse what kaepernick was talking about in the first place, how african americans are treated, people of color, second class citizens are being gunned

down in the streets. that's what the whole thing was about in the beginning. >> there are also a lot of people that think, look, highly paid athletes making tension of millions of dollars a year. this is a game. we're tuning in to watch a game. is this the time or place to do this? >> yes. if we know anything about the history of sports in america, this is why i'm wearing this shirt. john carlos, tommy smith. muhammad ali lost the prime years of his life because he refused to be inducted into the vietnam. and he was on the right side of history. >> he was despised by the vast majority of america. >> he was the most hated man in america and now there's the whole narrative of people want to think of him lighting the torch in atlanta with his arm shaking of parkinson's. that wasn't him in his greatest -- >> do you think people will look back at what colin kaepernick did with a time passing in a

different way? >> i think so. i also think that all these people on the trump bandwagon, they're going to be on the wrong side of history. i'm positive of that. they're going to be on the wrong side of history. >> the other criticism i heard from some supporters of the president on our program the other night was that a lot of the players now, they weren't doing this when colin kaepernick was doing it. he was pretty much out in the wilderness for a long time. but now they're doing this because of the president. do you think it's an anti-trump sentiment -- >> no. i think it's a combination of both things. and when he says -- he was really telling the owners like the owners are the plantation owners and the guys playing the league, you know, they're on the plantation. you can't say anything. and so the thing has really escalated. and then get back to it, we're talking about somebody's mother,

that's a no-no. and he has not apologized. and also -- >> he's not going to apologize. >> did he talk about the mothers of the neo-nazis, the alt rights, the kkk, those guys, crazy people in charleston? >> he said there were some very fine people. >> oh, okay. their mothers weren't sobs. >> do you think he's speaking in harsher terms -- >> osk. of course. and also, in my opinion, this guy has given all these groups the wipg wink, the green light to come out of the darkness, come out and just show who you are. and that speech in alabama, alabama home of george wallace, sheriff bull connor, the bombing of the sixth street baptist church in birmingham, alabama, alabama, i mean, come on. >> there's history. >> there's history in alabama. >> you're saying you can't take

the president's comments out of the context of where i said them. >> yes. >> to the crowd that he said them to. >> i mean, he's playing to his strength. i know he was there for the support this guy, but he's in alabama. >> the kareem abdul january bar said something. he said about the president for someone who has sworn to uphold the constitution this is someone of immense ignorance or willful treason. >> both. both. but -- >> i come back to, though, if the subject is racial inequality, racial injustices that exist in this country, how does that -- where does it -- i mean, people always talk about there should be a conversation about it. we're going to have a conversation tonight. >> how many town halls you've had? i mean, this is like, to me, race is always sim measuring

under the surface and it takes o.j. or this or that who just explodes. but it's always under the surface. and we really have not had an honest conversation about race in this country, i think. >> i always think that it only is talked about in town halls like this # when it explodes on the surface. it's never kind of talked about in the calm times in between. >> right. people just want to push it, you know, under the rug and hope that it never raise its ugly head anymore. but it's always there. it's always there, i think. >> spike, thanks very much. we're going to talk to you more in a little bit. >> in a little while. all right. >> spike lee. when we come back, the devastation of puerto rico. what the administration is being asked to do about it. as well as a close up look of the medical challenges on the ground from our reporters. justy on my car insurance by switching to geico. i should take a closer look at geico... you know, geico can help you save money

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thirsty? well, tonight the situation in puerto rico remains grim and in some ways in some places getting worse. about a million and a half people are without access to running water. about 97% of the residents are without power and gasoline shortages plague the island. federal regulators say that 91.1% of cell phone sites there are out of service, which is actually up slightly from yesterday. now, all of this might make the discussion of an obscure law dating back to the 1920s seem a bit beside the point, but it's not of the the jones abt of 1920 roirs that all goods carried from one american port to another be carried by ships built and operated by americans. it's a limitation that can hamper the flow of food and relief supplies into disaster areas and make it more expensive

which is why it's frequently waived during national emergencies. department of homeland security can do that but so far have not. on monday a group of democratic lawmakers as well as the governor of puerto rico and san juan's mayor sent a leader to acting dhs secretary duke requesting a one year waiver. they said it would speed the deliver we of food, fuel, medicine, all the things that are necessary. yesterday john mccain added his voice to the call. in response dhs said the problem is not getting supplies to the island. it's getting them unloaded on the documents. the president who says he's considering a waiver only obliqueel mentioned that aspect of it. instead seemed to focus on the needs of shipping companies first. >> we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people and a lot of people who work in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lifted, and we have a lot of ships out there right now. >> so no question it's complicated. perhaps more so than it was for texas and florida. however, one thing is certain. experts say the jones act costs puerto rico a lot of money in good times and bad.

$537 million a year according to a 200010 study from the university of puerto rico. more now on the tremendous scope of the damage on the ground specifically to the island's medical facility. >> reporter: in the middle of desperation, another potential crisis may be brewing. >> this is not a small place. this is the whole island. and the problem with the diesel and the gasoline, we are trying to work with this people. we are trying to still provide services to these people. >> reporter: doctor rodriguez has worked at in community health clinic for 24 years. it's one of 70 such places all across the island which serve as the front line for preventive health care. but as fuel dwindle z, so will care. >> in the way that -- if we continue to provide these services in this area, we stop -- the patients go to the

hospital that is already overcrowded. >> reporter: they have been told that they have just six hours of fuel left, and at that point, without any help, they will have to close their doors. >> what else we can do? the only thing we can do is go into the shelter, do the medical evaluation, but we can't provide medications to those patients. >> reporter: and that's in part why you're seeing tents like this pop up in places like san juan. you see, even before maria, a third of the population here was reported to be in poor health. more likely the older here, more likely they have chronic disease like hypertension and diabetes. and therein lies the concern. what happens to all these patients if they don't get access to care within the next several days? >> getting healthcare services up and running is key. but the only way to do that is to make sure clinics like this are poured with fuel and right now that's a big unknown. dough ming oh cruz, director of pediatric hospital knows just how critical it can be.

just two days ago. >> the hospital it was dark. and all of a sudden as you may understand, everybody was very nervous and we started waiting transfers, possible transfers to other hospitals. patients that could have been discharged home earlier than what was initially perceived. >> they were running low on fuel, just two days' worth and a dozen children on ventilators. >> we are ready to evacuate the entire hospital if we didn't get power somehow early afternoon. >> a neighboring hospital brought 1,200 gallons of fuel and then yesterday a u.s. army tank brought three days' worth to keep this generator going. >> it was a close call. and we thank god that it work out. >> it's been trying professionally as well as

personally. in the midst of the storm his mother passed away. >> very hurt. the day after the stormy show up. we need to be open. we have people looking for us. >> san jay, you're inside a tent with a special team of workers. what are they saying about peoples' needs? what are they seeing? >> reporter: yeah. this is a disaster management assistance team tent. this is sort of what hhs, department of hhs is doing here in puerto rico right now. they have to set up these tents. it's completely dark outside. they set up these tents. they've got about 72 hours worth of spies and they're basically taking care of whoever they can take care of. the issue is this. as you saw, we're in san juan. people are still coming out of those areas that have been hardest hit trying to make their way to these tents. the hope is that over the next

several days they'll be able to set up these tents, take the care to the people who need it. >> last night we saw somebody who had a small supply of insulin left. needs to be refrigerated. just the everyday medical needs of people, even those who weren't directly injured or what have you by the storm. what happened to the clinic that had six hours left of fuel? >> reporter: yeah. it's unbelievable. we've been trying to be in contact with them. they're about an hour outside of san juan and simply can't get in touch with them. they were very worried that they weren't going to get fuel. they were very worried that no one was going to be able to communicate with them and that's what seems to have happened. what happens to the patients that were there, what happens to the emergency room, we don't know. but that's sort of paints the picture of what's happening right now on the ground right now, anderson. not just there but probably 70 other locations around the island. >> we appreciate you being there. when we come back, a cnn exclusive. sources tell us that a facebook

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there's breaking news on facebook's involvement on russian flu in the 2016 presidential election. we're now learning that at least one of those ads purchased by russians during the campaign was targeted towards specific cities

with specific messages. so what have you learned from sources? >> what we've learned is one of these ads and again just one of the 3,000 ads that will soon be hand over to congress, one of them was a black lives matter ad that targeted the cities of ferguson, missouri and baltimore. obviously those cities were hot beds of protests and even riots in response to police shootings of african-american men. and what this begins to show us and certainly begins to show investigators on the hill and likely special counsel robert mueller as well is the level of sophistication that these russian ad buyers had in terms of understanding the american political landscape, understanding what certain divisive flash points would be and contributing to an overall climate of political discord and chaos in the united states in the run up to the 2000 of presidential election. >>ed ad, though, it doesn't seem like that it deals directly with the election. >> no.

that's absolutely right. we would like to think of these ads being pro donald trump or anti-donald trump, pro hillary clinton, anti-hillary clinton. that's not the case. very often what the russian ad buyers were doing was really just trying to undermine american democracy generally. doing that by basically pitting one group of americans against another group of americans. what we believe and what our sources believe is that the ultimate goal here is really to sort of make american democracy look bad, not just in the eyes of russian citizens but of citizens perhaps living in former soviet block states and then also to basically crip pell the american system by having how much chaos and instability. >> do you think we're going to learn more in the coming weeks and months about how the ads were targeted. >> i do believe we'll learn more. i don't believe we'll necessarily learn on the record from facebook or capitol hill.

i do believe there will be more of a sort of drip drip drip coming from the sources we're speaking with. primarily because this is an issue of such concern to the american people. i also think we're going to begin to understand how ads were targeted through other digital ad platforms. twitter will be meeting -- representatives from twitter, i should say, will be meeting with the senate intelligence committee tomorrow. the senate intel committee has also called for a public hearing with representatives from facebook, twitter and google. so there will be more answers and as you and i know this information has a way of getting out there. >> yeah. thanks very much. the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york who president trump fired earlier this year. thanks vep for being here. >> thanks for having me, anderson. >> so if you're robert mueller and you're hearing about these ads, the russian ads on facebook, does it matter for the investigation, do you think, in any way? >> i think it matters to the extent part of the mandate for robert mueller is to figure out

what happened in connection with the investigation. and what happened in connection with the russians trying to affect our election in some way. some of that involves potential collusion. nothing that i've heard so far with respect to the facebook ad issue relates to collusion in any way, but i think part of what, you know, congress and the department of justice and the american people want bob mueller to figure out is the degree to which the russians were trying to do something, sew chaos, influence people as oon outside party on our election. >> and also, i guess, how they knew -- if it's targeted ads to certain places or, you know, targeted data knowing where to kind of try to influence things, i guess it's also how they knew that. is it just, you know, their knowledge of the united states or something else? >> yeah. i mean, a lot of this information is publicly known. you can read the paper and you can watch television and you can -- >> there's -- >> yeah, there are lots of different ways that russians try to figure out what's going on in the united states. and sometimes it's infiltrating

intelligence agencies like the fbi and the cia. but sometimes it's something that doesn't seem as dangerous but can still be very serious and people may forget that seven years ago my office along with the facebook prosecuted a russian spy ring. and the nature of that russian spy ring was there were ten russian nationals who were living under american names acting like ordinary americans in random towns and cities across the country. and the purpose of that was to understand american society in part and american culture. and this kind of sort of interference with an election and sewing discord and confusion is only possible if you have a deeper understanding of american society and culture. >> the director of the dea resigned, and you knew him. >> chuck rosenberg, the agenting director who has been a long time public servant in law enforcement, used to be the chief of staff to jim comey. friend of mine, colleague of mine. he resigned this week effective

october 1st. and there has been some reporting, i don't know if it's true or not, that one of the reasons he stepped down is that he has a concern about donald trump's, you know, fidelity to the rule of law. and i don't know if that's true. i think we'll hear more about that. if it is true, i think that would make him the first significant law enforcement official to resign in protest over the attitudes and approaches of donald trump. and if that's so, that's not a small thing. >> you think -- does it send a message to others? does it -- i mean, does it make a difference? >> look, i think the more people see reaction to the ways in which, you know, the president and some of the people in the administration approach law enforcement issues, it can change some minds. you know, for example, one of the reasons people speculate that chuck rosenberg stepped down because of differences in opinion with how the administration thinks about rule of law issues is you remember some weeks ago president trump at a rally suggested that law enforcement officials should not, you know, treat suspects

lightly. they should rough them up as they put them in the squad car. and chuck rosenberg in an e-mail that was revealed later internally at the dea denounced that. he said that's not how we treat people. we treat people with respect and dignity according to the guidelines that are prescribed to us by the justice department. the more people talk about those things who are in position of power i think the more folks will listen to it. he's not someone from the outside to the extent he has this concern. he's someone from the inside who has chosen to leave. >> also reporting that robert mueller is now getting information from the irs, not clear exactly who it's about. is that just par for the course? i mean, any investigation, any extensive investigation like the kind that's being undertaken, investigators would want tax information. >> yeah. >> whether it's manafort, flynn. >> yeah. in a huge percentage of cases that i would oversee that involved financial transactions

and complicated financial dealings, it's often the case that you seek orders to get the tax returns of individuals and you look at other tax information, which is very, very difficult to get -- >> it's a higher bar. >> it's a higher bar to get -- as it should be in the united states that tax information is very private. but you seek a particular kind of order with the approval of a judge to get those tax return information. i don't think it's unusual at all and it's to be expected. >> appreciate you being with us. >> thanks so much. >> when we come back, president trump was asked today whether he'll fire hhs secretary tom price for reporting taking dozens of private planes costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. and stay tuned for a town hall patriotism the players and the president up here on the top of the hour at cnn. cable. me people stille just like some people like banging their head on a low ceiling. drinking spoiled milk. camping in poison ivy. getting a papercut. and having their arm trapped in a vending machine. but for everyone else, there's directv.

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frequent private plane trips on the taxpayers' time. here's what he told reporters today. >> i was looking into it and i will look into it. and i will tell you personally i'm not happy about it. i am not happy about it. >> when asked if he would fire price, the president said, we'll see. politico reported he's travelled on charter flights 25 times since may. price said his office is doing an internal review. here's what he said on fox news on saturday. >> all these as you mentioned were work because he wouldn't official business. and of the 11 trips turnover last eight months, the majority of them were either the opioid crisis or the hurricanes. but we've heard the criticisms and the concerns and we take that seriously and have taken it to heart. >> keep in mind the reporting is at least 24 trips since may, no 11, over eight months and new reporting from politico shows what sure seem like pleasure trips intermingled with the

business. they showed a trip to georgia where he and his wife own land in georgia, his speech wasn't until a day and a half later. in june politico says he flew to nashville to have lunch with his son who lives there. he also spent an hour touring a medication dispensary and gave a 20-minute speech at a health summary judgment. sarah sanders was asked if it's ever appropriate for cabinet officials to send money on private planes. >> i think there are certain instances where it is, but it has to be done on a case by case basis. >> federal travel regulations say officials can only my heart a plane if no commercial airline service is reasonably available. in multiple cases politico found there were indeed commercial options. including the trip from washington to nashville at a price tag of $17,000. two commercial flights were able that same morning for about 100 to $300. even more surprising were the

five private flights publicist politico covered in one week including a flight from washington, d.c., to philadelphia. not only was there a commercial flight available, it's also just a two on and off-hour drive. or a $72 rail ticket. this was the type of stuff that they complained about under the obama administration in particular, spending for private planes for members of congress, here's what he said about then-speaker nancy pelosi in 2010. >> don't you fly over our country in our luxury jet, and lecture us on what it means to be an american. >> tom price still talking about being frugal. politico reports at a conference in june price said it's important to get rid of wasteful spending in government health programs, and yes he took a private plane to that conference. >> joining me now is normizen. does it make any sense to you that a cabinet member would think something like this was okay? >> anderson, thanks for having me. it shows that the tone at the

top that president trump has set is permeating the administration. this is arrogance run wild. it makes no sense at all that secretary price and others in the administration would be abusing private jets this way. it would have been a firing offense in the obama administration. >> is it okay -- is it fair to blame president trump on this one? the white house is pushing back saying this wasn't white house-approved travel. >> well, anderson, when you have a president who's announced he's going to hang onto his businesses, laiden with conflicts, and he's constantly there promoting his businesses, making money off them, it sets a tone that anything goes. and price is simply -- got the message and ran with it. it's not an isolated incident.

other cabinet members have also been accused of abusing their private jet privileges. this is a sense of prerogative and entitlement at the expense of the american people that is the opposite of the government, our most fend mental principal is flick service should be done for the public trust. here they seem to see it as a dhoo chance to achieve private gain. >> i can understand if there were security concerns, but he is the hhs secretary, and on top of that, there were a number of commercial flights available. a flight from d.c. to nashville, there were two according to politico that day. it's a frequently traveled-to city, san diego as well. even d.c. to philadelphia, does any of that make sense? >> it is completely illogical. when i sat in the white house, it was part of my job to review these requests.

they were few and far between. there are extraordinary instances where private travel is necessary, but anderson, honestly the man could have gone to union station and taken the train from washington to philadelphia. a private plane for that purpose is just an abuse. and the inspector general is looking at it, and i expect that dr. price is going to hit very hard. remember, there have been ethics questions about him dating back to his days in congress when he was allegedly trading on stocks relating to legislation he was doing. so this shouldn't come as a surprise to us, but it's very disappointing. >> appreciate you being on. our town hall, patriotism, the players and the president starts right now. america's finest athletes, >> boos can be heard.

>> president trump on friday called for nfl owners to fire players for these demonstrations. >> confronting one of america's deepest wounds. >> this is not something i'm going to be quiet about. >> on bended knee. >> our national anthem. >> in millions of homes on any given sunday. scenes like these across the nfl and beyond now raising questions. should protesting racial injustice be part of the pro sports play book. >> i salute the nfl. >> or is it illegal procedure. >> get that son of a bitch off the field right now. >> is it disrespect for flag and for country or a tribute to the republic for which it stands? the wrong venue or the right place at the right timing. >> the nfl has to change. or you know what's going to happen? their business is going to go to hell. >> in a divided nation, this is an anderson cooper 360 town hall event, the vital conversation, patriotism, the players, and the president.