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tomorrow. good evening. we begin tonight keeping them honest with health secretary tom price and his parent love of pricey planes. how much those plane trips cost the federal government, american taxpayers. after extensive reporting on price's trips and apparently anger from the president a spokesperson said he would reimburse the treasury for the cost of his travel. but it turns out he isn't really doing that at all. he plans to only reimburse taxpayers foyer a cost of the seat on many of the private planes he took, not the cost of the fuel or the plane or the crew of the just the cost of a seat. he would reimburse about $52,000. now we're learning that the full cost of chartering the planes was far higher than previously reported. according to a new report in politico which broke this story, price's trips just since may have cost the american taxpayers more than a million dollars. just earlier today the white house tried to downplay its role. >> to be clear also, the white house does not have a role on

the front end of approving private charter flights at aegsz and that's something that we're certainly looking into from this point forward and have asked a halt be put particularly at hhs on any private charter flights moving forward. until those reviews are completed. >> well, keeping them honest the white house may not approve the private planes but it did play a role in the exorbitant travel costs overall. it approved the use of military acres which added to the private plane cost pushing it over a million yon. again, price will reimburse the government about $52,000. the hhs inspector general is investigating the whole mess. but in the case of private jets, anyone who knows how to use or bits or price line.com can figure out how outrageous his travel costs were. price took a private plane at a price tag of more than $17,000. at least 24 trips since may,

according to politico. they found five private flights in one week, including one from washington to philadelphia. you can drive in about two and a half hours or take a train for about $72. and let's not forget, this is just the kind of spending that price railed against under the obama administration. here is what he said about then speaker nancy pelosi in 2010. >> what i want to say to the speaker, don't you fly over our country in your luxury jet and lecture us on what it means to be an american. >> the magic of videotape. tom price was still talking about being frugal as recently as this summer. politico reports a conference in san diego in june he said it's incredibly important to get rid of wasteful spending in government health programs and yes, of course, he took a private plane to that very conference. i understand the white house just released a statement about this. >> they did, anderson, and this is clearly a sign of the white house trying to get their hands around what clearly has been a drip drip drip over the last

several days. the white house is saying that sometimes the cost of a military aircraft, military travel is necessary in their words, let me read this here, use of military aircraft for cabinet and other essential travelers is sometimes what they say an appropriate and necessary use of resources. they're not specifically talking about these latest batch of trips, but they're saying in general. they are looking into more of these. but anderson, this is clear that the white house authorized these trips on military aircraft because they own the planes essentially. but anderson this is a sense where the white house clearly did not know how many flights they were talking about as the week went on. they have in fact learned this, i am told, from plit ko and other news reports here. so this is something that certainly is going to make secretary price's already, you know, precarious situation even more so. >> also, he doesn't want to pay for the full cost of these charter flights, but did he

actually think that this was going to put it away by agreeing to pay for the equivalent price of like a business class ticket on these flights? because i understand he commented just a little bit ago. what did he say? >> you have to wonder about that because that is something i am told by someone who is familiar with the president's thinking, a close white house aide here who is talking to us confidently so says the president is actually incensed by this and the fact that it's $52,000 to pay for that when we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. this is not going to help secretary price keep his job. but we did catch up with the secretary a short time ago here in washington. we asked him about where he stands. let's take a listen. >> mr. secretary, a couple of quick questions. will the check that you're writing, will that satisfy your bosses and the taxpayers' questions? >> i think what we've done right now is to demonstrate good-faith effort that we've heard the concern and the criticism and we looked forward to the inspector

general's report zmoo do you plan to stay on the job? >> absolutely. >> well, he said there he absolutely would stay on the job, but anderson, of course, that's not a zis that's up to him. that's up to the president. and that interview was done just shortly before this latest revelation out in politico again tonight about a half million dollars more worth of foreign travel on military aircraft. and again, it's not the travel necessarily that's the question here. cabinet secretaries as we know travel all over the mace. he was looking into the treatment of elow la in africa. he was attending world health organizations. what's different about this is he is using either private planes or military planes. every recent health and human services secretary we have talked to, we've talked to a lot of them, republicans and democrats, they say, look, we always flew commercial. the difference here is usually these military planes, they're reserved for the secretary of state, the defense secretary, others who have urgent business that's in the matters of

national security, not the health and human services secretary. >> also, they just frankly haven't -- i mean, his office just hasn't been up front about the reasons behind this or the number of tripts much at one point they were saying he's just so busy sometimes he's got to take private planes. one of these trips was to this island i guess where they have a house with his wife and there was some sort of a conference there, but they we want like -- st. simons, they went there like two days early. so the idea that, you know, there was no commercial flight, there was no way to get there commercially, i mean, that's just bunk. >> it has not held up and the reality here is we've seen a lot of these situations in washington before where you think someone may hold on. and this will be the president's decision. we will see about this. but they have not essentially followed, you know, crisis management 101 by getting everything out there. now you're wondering this latest revelation tonight are they trying to get everything out there? but boy, all these new rel lagsz

again are not giving the president confidence in his secretary, again, talking to someone close to this white house and the president saying that this has made it even more difficult for the president to stick with him. we'll see if he will or not. but it also is opening questions for people throughout the dpoft, other cabinet secretary, others, who else is doing this. of course there are many wealthy members of this cabinet who fly on their own planes. that's fine. other ones who are mod ra theel wealthy. i think secretary price has a net worth of $10 million or so. was he wanting to live that sort of lifestyle as well? we'll see. but anderson no question tomorrow the president will be asked again about this if he'll keep him on board. again, it's up to him, but he's in hot water tonight. >> by the way, i think $10 million net worth is more than moderately wealthy. >> no doubt, but probably not enough to buy a private jet. >> appreciate that.

jeff, what is going on with secretary price? there were ethical questions about him when he was in congress. the idea that he wouldn't want every eye to be dotted and every t to be crossed is unbelievable. >> well, the fact that he got confirmed at all when he was trading stock in companies that his committee was regulating in congress is pretty astonishing in the first place. but also, i mean, the budget of the united states is about a trillion dollars. this is only a million dollars. if there is one thing that people are going to remember about tom price it's the fact that he loved these private planes. it is vastly more significant and this is something donald trump understands very well. one thing donald trump understands it's public permission of stuff on television. and i don't see how he survives this because it reinforces every bad story type about the trump administration. rich people, privileged people, rules don't apply to them. >> right.

if the idea is draining the swamp this is driving over the swamp this a private plane. >> i agree with everything jeff has said particularly the fact that the president is wear in recent days of just how damaging this is for him. that is what he cares about. what this impacts the public perception of him and his administration. at the beginning of the week peep were telling me white house they thought price was going to survive this. the president is not enamored of tom price in all of his cabinet picks that's not his favorite. the story in politico i think it was two days ago about him taking the plane and visiting his son. >> in nashville. >> there were a ton of nansz in that story about him mingling his personal life with the use of these jets. and that was what put it overboard for the president. the president began moussing about the idea that price should have to pay this back, but he was told by people in his own circle, look, that raises questions about what that will mean for other people in terms of these flights. what does that mean for other cabinet secretary, what does

that mean for staff who went on these planes. as far as i know it's not clear how many people were aware that price was going to announce that he was going to reimburse for that seat. the president did not actually ask him to do this. so this continues to roll along as this chaos unchecked, and that just can't go or to ever. >> it just seems like a more onic announcement to maek that you're going to do this partial thing. i get it you don't want to spend all that money. it just continues it. >> a,it continues it. b, it raises a whole host of legal questions about do other people then have to pay for their seats? what does that set in terms of the precedent. and it doesn't go away. it is partly about perception. and this president came in saying that he was going to be different. he was going to drain the swampment this week we have seen him back an establishment candidate for senate who lost. we have seen his administration

mired in all sorts of investigations and. now you have an appearance of a cabinet run amok. >> this is after the treasury secretary and his wife flew that plane to fort knox. >> the day of the eclipse. >> it just happened to be the eclipse and she stieded to tweet on instagram. >> and remember, tom price was brought on because he was a member of congress and congress was going to overturn obamacare. that of course has turned into a major fee as co. it was the senate, not the house where price came from, but still, there is nothing donald trump likes at the moment about house and senate republicans. tom price is a representative of them. it's another reason he's irritated. >> there's also cnn reporting tonight that the administration is paskel on the hunt for leakers within the democratic of human and human services. i mean, what's interesting about that autos if leaking is the egregious part of this whole tale. >> i mean, that always -- >> ask maggie. >> that always tends to be where this goes with this

administration. it is part recognition that there's a public issue here and a very large part about paranoia and a fear that things are going on that we're not in control of. the bigger question for the white house right now is what is happening at various agencies. and there's a clear sense when you put it all together, there have been questions about scott pruitt's spending at the epa. this sound proof booth that he was putting in. >> -- he's got security which most heads of the eps tonight. >> $25,000 per sound booth. all of this becomes sort of a giant bag of what is going on here. >> it's also interesting because i think one of the very effective parts of candidacy trump's campaign was this notion of draining the skafrp. i remember the first time he said it, cory lewandowski was on the program saying i think you're going to be hearing that phrase a lot. i think that's a winning phrase. >> he's right. >> i just want to play you will at times the president talked about that. >> when it comes to washington,

d.c., it's time to drain the damn swamp. drain the swamp. we're going to drain the swamp of washington. we're going to have fun do it. when we win on november 8th, we are going to drain the swamp. we are going to drain the swamp of government corruption in washington, d.c. it is time to drain the swamp. >> and now i think he wanted to drain the swamp. >> that's what i drew from what he was saying. >> but look who is in the government. i mean, it's a bunch of very wealthy, privileged people. fortunately some of them like betsy devos and wilbur ross can afford their own private planes. it is a very elite, wealthy group that is running the country and apparently tom price wants to live like that even if he can't afoord it. >> up next, members of the administration defending their handling of the crisis in puerto

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new developments in the crisis in puerto rico and two questions, is enough being done to meet the overwhelming needs there and is the white house painting an overly optimistic picture of their efforts so far.

disasters like these are obviously a nightmare for the people affected, all the way up the chain of demand. badly damaged items, roads that are impassable. the list of an stack else is a long one. all of which argues powerfulel against appearing over confident. this afternoon acting secretary elaine duke had this to say when asked whether she's satisfied with the government's response to hurricane maria so far. >> i'm very satisfied. i know it's a hard storm to recover from. with the amount of progress that's been made and i really would appreciate any support that we get. i know it is really a good news story in terms of our ability to reach people and the limited number of deaths that have taken place in such a devastating hurricane. >> well, it certainly is a good news story in the limited number of immediate fatalities from the hurricane.

beyond that we're not hearing from a whole lot of people in terms of a good news story in terms of being able to reach people. >> i'm getting desperate. this is no way to live really. they should bring us water or other supplies because the kids keep asking. >> that woman has been bait lg forth days or anything, whether it's food or just a bag of ice to keep the food she has from spoiling. at local docks port officials tell cnn that containers with goods for stores, waufrt, food are stuck pause the roads are bad. communications are down and drivers are in short star. today the pentagon named jeffrey buchanan to oversee the crowned. >> why has it tape eight days to get a three-star general on the ground to start organizing this? we know the island situation, et cetera, but why eight days. >> yeah. well, because it didn't require a three star general eight days ago.

we have a three star general in harnl of this and we had one in charge of this out of san antonio -- >> san antonio is thousands of miles from puerto rico. why -- was it a mistake? would you acknowledge it was a mistake looking back to not have this three-star general on the ground earlier. >> no, not at all. in fact, that doesn't affect the way we stage equipment and handle area command and field operational command. this is textbook and it's been done well. >> the general disagrees. >> they've been slow to deploy the military. it took us several days to appoint a bringing dear general and another 24 hours for them to make a decision in the pent god we needed a three star general. >> after days of criticism the the administration just today waived the jones act allowing cargo vessels to bring in splieds. the reason given puerto rico's governor only requested the waiver today. now, the president has taunted his conversations with puerto rico's governor so it's surprising that the jones act

never apparently came up. and just moments ago he fired off two tweets on the subject. they're doing a great yob? puerto rico. massive food and water delivers. locals trying really hard to hip but many have lorsz their homes. wish press would treat fairly. joining us now cnn's ult in puerto rico tonight. eye van, the people you spoke to today at that river crossing, had they seen any kind of aid, federal, local in the areas that they're coming from? >> they have seen not a single bit of aid or assistance. and it's about 45 minutes drive where where bore i say and i are standing here to the place where a bridge was washed out by flash floods during hurricane maria. we were able to drive there, then ford the river. take a little look at what we were seeing there and what people were experiencing there. >> the woir that they're hanging

on to has been set up by residents of the town. this is their improvised method for trying to reach the outside world. we just spoke with a couple who had crossed this way and then walked two hours to the nearest supermarket to try to get bread and food and rice for their children. and then had to walk two hours back. >> that town, about a thousand residents there is only 25 miles as the krou flies, anderson, from the capital san juan. they have no electricity, no phones. you can see that the transport is paralyzed. the main way out to the outside world. people have to ford that river knee high water. you can't do it if you're elderly or a child. and what do you do if there's some kind of medical emergency there. also no running water. and they've gotten a visit from the municipal mayor. they've gotten a visit from fema two days after the hurricane,

but no assistance whatsoeverment the only help they've gotten is when local authorities allowed them to take the feed ut out of a shattered school in town and distribute it ad hoc to the community. >> sanga, you've been at a shelter where there were people with serious medical needs. talk about that and why they can't get the care they need or can they? >> what happened was a lot of these folks even before the hurricane was approaching, they went to these shelters basically to evacuate their homes. and at that point they basically have been there now for ten, lesson days, whatever number of days it has been. without any power, without any water. many of these people left and went to those shelters because they were worried of their own illness, wouldn't they wouldn't be able to get medical care after the hurricane. and that has remained the case for, again, several days now. what we saw over there was those doctors who were trying to care for these patients but have not had any supplies, have not

gotten the power that they need there, not even clean water. and now they have no qualms. we were there, around sop. there was a woman who had been there for about lech days, severe infection, life-threatening the doctor said. she's been trying to raise anybody. we ended up giving her a satellite phone so she could get some help. and eventually we were able to help her, but that's just one person. there are thousands more who are probably still in their homes who haven't gotten it the hospitals. >> it seems like a lot of the needs are also very basic. it's insulin, prescription drugs that people have to take every day and need to renew. but without the right supplies at a hospital or even supplies in store shelves and we've seen containers today in port of not fema supplies but of just

regular goods that should be on store shelves. it's hard to get those to the stores. and without that stuff this can turn life-threatening very quickly for a lot of people. >> yeah. that is really the point. and it's something that bears repeating is that i think a lot of these supplies that we're talk about are on the island. that's what we're hearing, whether it be antibiotics, pain medication, i have bags. but they're not getting to the people that need them as eye van was just talking about, the same thing here. i didn't see any fema support and i asked the doctors on the ground there and they said for the last eight days they haven't seen anything either. you and i have covered a lot of these stories and people throw around the term humanitarian crisis or disaster. what that means is after the disaster, after the hurricane in this case people could die of totally, doelgtsel preentable

things. simple are simple treatments and yet people are liking going to die for lack of what are very basic things. so getting those antibiotics to people is not just something as a logical thing. it is a life saving thing. and i've seen this. people are really suffering because they've gone without for so long. >> were smch those containers and supplies waiting to get trukd out? just explain what those containers are because i talked to the head of fema, brock long, the administrator who is saying fema has been able to get their emergency supplies off shifts, distributed as best they can and they said they're doing that in a lot of different ways. but the guy from the port up talked to, what did he say was in those containers? >> he said they were every day supplies. simple medications like what son yeah referenced. everything from tylenol to refringe rated items that are withering away as they sit at

the port. clothing, food, cars. anything that is out there could be used by the people here in puerto rico. at least according to the vice president of krouly, the company that manages those containers. i've heard from several people on the street tell us, asks us where is the aid, where is the relief, where is fema? if the gridlock, the series of problems, the layers of problems that are holding those containers back there getting where they need to go. >> that's one of the things that the white house was saying even during hurricane harvey and in florida as well is that if you can get stores open where people can purchase goods, that helps the entire emergency situation. obviously that's what you're saying a lot of those supplies are. thanks very much. some of the course deps producers, photo journalists. we have dozens on the ground right now in puerto rico and more to come.

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well, as we heard tonight and all week the level of destruction in puerto rico, it's really unimaginable. a humanitarian disaster with more people, more americans living in puerto rico than in 21 states. earlier today i spoke with brock long about the response efforts. >> unified command is what's working and so people are seeing that on the ground in puerto rico as well as behind me. so all of the government forces are working together. what we've done is we've escalated several days ago we escalated the amount of forces coming in from dod, which is why we've seen bringing dear general kim on sight to working hand in glove with fema as well as the governorment so the communication is starting to come up. it's working. and we are actually getting to all the communities with commodities regardless of what's being prend. and the bottom line is is that we're sustaining the hospitals.

we're pushing forward. we know that 44 in operational capacity. they're trying to assess the others that are remaining. we're starting to get more capacity coming into the sides as airports and see ports are starting to be opened up and utilized. >> we'll have more of that interview online. the pentagon has named a three star general to lead the response. he served four tours of duty in iraq and one in afghanistan. the question now is why it took so long for this to happen. sew general s as we just heard from the fema administrator block long egtsz the unified command is working in puerto rico. the supplies are starting to move both by road and in some cases helicopter air drops. is that how you see it? are things beginning to work? >> yeah, in the burk particular terms it's tarting to work but it's want meeting the needs of other people. they're not making this up.

they're talking to officials, seeing things opg. and i do respect brock. i do respect tom bossert. they're trying their best. the but they require policy guidance from the president on what he want to do. i think that's what the gap is. when we should have -- on saturday the president was out playing golf and twittering. the cabinet didn't meet until monday. it wasn't until tuesday that they announced a general was -- and then today general buchanan, who is a very competent general, he and kim both know what they're doing. and hopefully they're given the thofrt to do what they need to do. in new orleans the president told me do what i have to do and

indicated to secretary chir off who was already on the ground until mike brown who was on the ground in new orleans that i was to sort out any confusion in the evacuation and had the author to do what i needed to do of the i hard a conversation earlier today where they indicated if the task force commander wanted to do air drops, he could make a recommendations. that's bullshit. not that buchanan is on the ground he need to be giving orders and figure out what rules need to be braked to safe lives. this bureaucratic response support working. in thing is moving too slow and they don't have it scared right. we need to have at least 100 hmts there. we've got less than 60 at this timement we need to have 15 ships there. we have less than ten. we've got to get to moving if they're going to save lives.

we could have deployed an airfield loepg from the air force. they have the capacity to jump in. the port opening rs they didn't do that. a lot tools in the box they didn't use. i'm sorry, anderson. >> i just wanted to play you something the white house said today because there was a lot of bureaucratic and sort of technical language in there and i wasn't quite you're -- i know the bottom line they're saying that this general wasn't needed eight days ago, which i don't quieted understand the lnl on that. let me just play what the white housed and let you respond to it. >> why has it taken eight days to get a three star general on the ground to start organizing this. we know the island, et cetera. but why eight days? >> well, because it didn't require a three star general eight days ago. we have a three star general in charge of this and we had one out of san antonio from day minus eight and day minus two and all the way through today. >> san antonio is thousands of

miles from puerto rico. was it a mistake? would you acknowledge it was a mace stack looking back to not have this general on the ground earlier. >> no, not at all. that's not the way we handle field command and field operational demands. this is textbook and it's been done well. >> he's saying this is tek book. what do you make of that? >> must be a new book. i haven't read that book. the job of the united states military so to save lives and we've lost eat days through this bureaucratic process of making decisions with the president and cabinet not meeting immediately to figure out solutions to these issues. it's taken eight days to announce a three star general and oh, by the way, the fema director is still in washington, d.c. and i think he's a good man, but he need to move on the ground chlgt that's where i'm headed tomorrow and i hope he pete's me

into pour prosecutor prosecutue. everybody when i show up in puerto rico work for the governor. even though the three star general is there, he works for the governor and the dpofr's priority that's the way it works the but that general has to get the authority from the president and the national authority that if he need to deploy more troops he call for them and they show up. i was thinking that within the next 24 hours we could have air droppedel 2nd airborne in there that could bring in stuff as opposed to ammunition and link up with the national guard and create an area network that can be sustained for a few days with air drops in far out places. the way they're doing this is like a bureaucrat planning an inaugural or and. they're too slow and it's not scaled right. in katrina i had 20,000 federal troops. they still don't have 10,000 --

we have less than a hundred helicopters here. if the carrier was there it could handle the air. >> we'll talk to you tomorrow night. appreciate that. coming up next president trump's claim that the tax cuts many his new tax bill won't make him even richer, keeping him honest with that. tauing with the author of the art of the deal. crohn's disease.

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president unveiled when he unveiled his tax plan. >> our framework our exclusive commitment. not the wealthy and well connectedment they can call me all they wantel it's want going to help. i'm doing the right thing and it's not good for me, believe me. >> it's not good for me, believe me, he said. keeping him honest the burp is frankly on him. after all we have no way of knowing for the simple fact we don't know what tax the president pays. in fact he's only president in modern history not to release his tack returns. it is very possible that the president and his family could benefit from some of the tax proposals. that includes repealing the alternative minimum tax put in place to make sure the rich pay their fair share. hiss leaked tax return showed he paid more than $31 million. he would have only had to pay

$5.3 million, a savingsful more than $25 million. now, to health care, in be two our list are problems with the trooit for the president in the last 48 hours listen to what he said yesterday. >> we have the votes on graham/cassidy, but with the rules of reconciliation, we're up against a deadline of friday, two days. that's just two days. and yes vote senator, we have a wonderful senator, great, great senator who is a yes vote, but he's home recovering from a pretty tough situation. >> well, as we mentioned last night he was referring to senator cochran. he was not hospitalized and is recovering at home from the procedure. as for having the votes on health care, no, no way. not a chance and pretty much at the very moment president trump said that the co-sponsor of the

very bill lindsey graham put out a statement while we currently don't have the votes to pass legislation, i'm not giving up. number three by the president in the last 48 hours, this one was posted on twitter this morning defending his election victory. writing, wrote, virtually no president has aaccomplished what we accomplished in the last few months. however, the rest of his claim is flat out false. the the president has not signed one major bill. several of the measures he promised to enact on day one are still in limbo including the bothered wall, repealing and replacing obamacare. joining me now tony schwartz. and back with us is cnn political analyst and joni haberman. >> you spent a lot of time as you were writing the art of the deal. i mean, does he believe what he says when he's saying things

that are not true or is it just a marketers way of talking? >> well, you know, i use the phrase in the art of the deal, truthful hyperbole to explain why he was saying that weren't true and truthful hyperbole of course is nonsense. there is no such thing. hyperbole is a lie. i actually think the question that actually this book raises a number of its essays by psychiatrists is trump crazy look a fox or is he just crazy. and i think the overwhelming weight of evidence suggests that he's just crazy. and not crazy casual crazy. i'm talking about crazy, i'm not a psychiatrist to i actually can get away with saying this, but craze as a personality disorderment that comment he makes -- well, any of these you could say are delusional. delusional is you say something that you inkroer verdictible know to be true. >> he said the hospital thing

about that had cochran numerous times as well already. other times it just says he's in the hospital, and that's not why the health care vote didn't happen. >> simple answer is he says whatever he thinks sebs him and while he's saying it he does believe it. >> maggie, you've seen that. >> yes. yes. i think that's exactly it and i think that has always been exactly it. and i think there are times when he knows it's not true, but he's telling himself it's true. i think that everybody is looking for some rational explanation for why he does things and people are looking for some core ideology that he has and he doesn't have any of those things. elsay what he thinks to get through very chinay -- elsay what it takes to get through certain tiny increments of time. he's focused on the next ten minutes basically. and he's -- i once had a conversation with somebody where i was trying to explain how he's sort of the guy from a friends

episode who keeps promising the girl he has no intention of calling that he's going to call her tomorrow for the next date. he often says he will do something which he has no intention of doing. he believes that he can paint his own version of what reality is. we have seen this over and over again. he did it throughout the campaign. this is nothing true. >> it certainly worked in many cases when he was a real estate developer, sort of painting his own reality. is obviously the stakes vrp a bit different and people were follow-up on -- there were gos sim reporters, they're not going to be following up whether or not -- >> ask it seemed harmless. it didn't have much moment. you know, there's a great description that's relatively little known that i think actually is a very interesting way of thinking of trump of the it's from eric prone, the great psychologist called marketing personality. and marketing personality is actually character iesds by an absence of character structure. so that you can say whatever you

want to say because there's no conscience underneath that's keeping you, that's serving a a bar meter for you. and that's exactly what what happens with trump and what's thangd is the stakes are much higher and every time he says something that isn't true, a lot of people -- >> we were talking earlier in the show about his tax returns -- in this segment about his tax returns not being made available. you've never quite seen what his company was worth. it was never really clear. he would always say, you know, it could be based on how he felt it was worth at any given moment. but this is the government and there is proof. and this is why these stories, for instance, about cabinet officials using these jets, that's just a fact. that's not something that people are making up. that's not something that the face news is writing. this is just reality and there are just certain things when you were in government you can't

create your own people. as much as people may be suspicious it's not the same -- >> in his business did he have people around him who would say no or say, look, that's not the case. >> no, i don't believe he's ever had people aren't him that said no because you only say -- >> he doesn't like it. >> he doesn't like it. you're not going to stay for very long if you say no. and i do believe that a john kelly knows very clearly that trump is deeply disturbed that he is utterly untrustworthy and he is managing him all the time out of some people, put aside etiology, some pleef that he's better to be there than not be there. i never worked for anybody who torqued for trump who didn't know who trump was within a very short time. >> and yet many have stayed for long periods of time. yes. i mean, i think, you know, including his family has stayed awhile. not necessarily his wives, but his family, his immediate family

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>> white house press secretary, sarah huckabee-sanders continues to defend the president's feud with the nfl, here's what she said this afternoon. >> it shouldn't be -- as i've said several times before, this isn't an us versus them. it should be something that brings our country together. these are symbols of what our country stands for. this should be the opposite of what that is. this should be a unifying moment when the national anthem plays. all americans should be proud to stand up, and be part of that

process. >> the president's comments have not brought people together. just moments ago players for the green bay packers and chicago bears took the field. players requested that all fans lock arms in solidarity. here's what happened. ♪ ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming ♪ >> you can see the players locking arms. no one it appears took a knee. >> randi kaye talked to fans before the game. >> reporter: in the shadow of green bay's lambeau field, we found plenty of beer, brats and opinions of president trump's recent rebuke of nfl players for kneeling during the national anthem. >> he's a patriot, an american citizen as well, he has his own opinion, and i agree with his opinion. >> i don't agree they should be fired. i think the people of america have a right to express their opinion and the nfl players do as well. >> reporter: do you agree with what the president said, that these sons

of bitches should be fired? >> he could have used his words a little better. i but i think, over all, his message was positive for patriotism in our country. >> reporter: this chicago bears fan, strongly disagrees. he says the players have ever right to kneel and express their freedom of speech. >> they're protesting racial inequality. i think that the president should worry about bigger things. >> jordan lenihan agrees. >> the president should stick to presidential things. and the nfl stick to nfl things. it's a lot of intermix right now. i think trump should focus on tax reform and stuff like that. >> reporter: and on the issue of race, again, mixed opinions about the president taking on a league that's majority african-american. >> the president says this isn't anything about race. this is about respect for the flag, sounds like you don't buy that. >> no, look at the history. go back to the stuff that happened in charlottesville, he didn't come out and denounce them. but the minute a guy takes a

knee for equality and things like that and unity, he's all over them. >> reporter: do you think the president's comments were racist as some have suggested? >> yes. >> reporter: were the president's comments racist in your opinion? >> not at all. i don't understand the whole racist issue here. people who kneel, i think they're more racist than the people who stand for it. >> reporter: how can those who are kneeling be racist when they're kneeling, apparently, to try to help promote racial equality and get rid of police brutality? >> are they really? are they really? >> that's the message they say. >> are they really, though. >> players should not be fired for kneeling during the anthem, ask them who's going to win tonight's game, and it's a whole other story. >> rogers 300 yards, 3 touchdowns. 24-20 packers. >> i think they'll keep it a close game, but i'll say bears by three for sure. >> randi joins me. did anyone you spoke with today

agree the players should be fired if they kneel down? >> reporter: anderson, we spoke to more than 50 people. not a single person thought that any player who kneels down should be fired. some thought they should be disciplined, even find, not a single one thought a player should be fired. we also talked to one fan who was quick to point out, if you start firing people now for taking a knee. so many players are kneeling down, you're going to lose the season. you're going to have to fire half the nfl. we talked to them about this rule donald trump has suggested to prevent players from taking a knee during the anthem. sort of like the rule that was put in place to keep them from celebrating in the end zone. and they said, you can't penalize them for something that happened before the game. >> when we come back, exclusive new reporting, the russia investigation. plus, what the white house is now saying about secretary price's expensive plane trips with the price tag now topping 1 million. you know who likes to be in control? this guy.

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